"Linda Lee" <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote in message

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On Dec 24, 9:33 am,

On Dec 24, 6:08 am,LindaLee<lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:

On Dec 24, 12:59 am, Debra <the2goldilo...@aol.com> wrote:

On Dec 23, 8:37 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:

On Dec 24, 1:46 pm, Debra <the2goldilo...@aol.com> wrote:

Waiting to see what Snow has for his answer.

Debra

The very foundation of Christian and Hebrew religions is the Bibles. They
totally base their faith on the Bibles.

The Bibles are nothing more than books of myths, fables, contradictions,
human and animal sacrifices, genocide, slaveholding, misogyny, destruction,
barbarisms, and impossible tales. They are not accurate history and
certainly are not the words of any god unless he is an insane and totally
untrustworthy monster. They are not even good fiction.

The average person today does not appreciate the difficulty and unlikelihood

of producing accurate transmissions of the original Bibles. Firstly there
are NO ORIGINALS in existence. They are all copies of copies of unknown
accuracy.

One of the problems with the accuracy of the Bibles is that when they were
first copied, no marks of punctuation were used, no distinction was made
between lower case and upper case letters and more bizarre to modern script,
no spaces were used to separate words.

This kind of continuous writing was called "scriptuo continua".

'godisnowhere' could mean 'god is now here' or quit the opposite, 'god is no
where' depending on the spacing which was not used at the time. This left
accurate interpretation very unlikely if not impossible.

Add to this the natural occurrence of errors of transmission and the
intentional modification to suite the transcribers wishes and beliefs and
you have documents of highly questionable meaning and very atrocious
accuracy.

Further compounding the problem was the size and accuracy of the
vocabularies were much more limited than today. And they were written before
the modern dictionaries so there was room for much conflict between the
meaning of words.

The Bibles are a foundation of quicksand. There are NO ORIGINALS in
existence. Why would not any 'real' God protect the originals??? What are
available are altered copies of copies by unknown men of questionable
veracity. The books of the Bibles were written over 1,000 years before the
invention of the printing press. Even the so called originals were
supposedly written by 50 or more different authors of unknown veracity. They
are biased by, and dependent on the writings and opinions of the clergy. And
the status and survival of the clergy is totally dependent on their follower's
belief in their Bible stories. There are 18 different English versions alone
and there is no way of knowing how far they have wondered from the
originals.

And there is no evidence that even the originals are anything more than
inaccurate fiction.

Basing ones life and faith on these documents is basing ones life on trash.
It is the equivalent of depending on the good luck of a rabbit's foot.

On Dec 24, 10:29 am, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:

On Dec 24, 9:33 am,

On Dec 24, 6:08 am,LindaLee<lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:

On Dec 24, 12:59 am, Debra <the2goldilo...@aol.com> wrote:

On Dec 23, 8:37 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:

On Dec 24, 1:46 pm, Debra <the2goldilo...@aol.com> wrote:

Waiting to see what Snow has for his answer.

Debra

Mat 10:13 =E2=80=9CAnd if the house is worthy, let your peace co=

But if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you.

Of course there is more then one type of peace in this world and=
clearly a failure to grasp at these things has taken root in man=

Luk 1:79 to give light to those who sit in darkness and the shad=

death, to guide our feet into the way of peace.=E2=80=9D

Being guided to a way of peace speaks clearly to that which is
internal. It's something those of us who believe feel and somet=

hope you find. While you may think your on the right path, it's =

way of darkness to go about the earth accusing your brothers and=
sisters day and night, seeking whom you may destroy. You have n=

peace and are at war within your own self but know this:

Mat 12:25 And =D7=99=D7=94=D7=95=D7=A9=D7=A2 knew their thoughts=

reign divided against itself is laid waste, and every city or ho=

divided against itself shall not stand.

The internal conflict within your own hearts is destroying you a=

while it's a slow death, it's still death creeping. You'll know=
you've found that peace within when you can humbly acknowledge y=

sin and repent.

Mat 13:45 =E2=80=9CAgain, the reign of the heavens is like a man=

seeking fine pearls, 46 who, when he had found one pearl of grea=

price, went and sold all that he had and bought it.

You are a fine pearl and I do not wish that you be tarnished and=

give you this insight:

Mat 12:31 =E2=80=9CBecause of this I say to you, all sin and bla=

be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit shall not =

forgiven men.

Even adultery will be forgiven in the day.

Joh 8:34 =D7=99=D7=94=D7=95=D7=A9=D7=A2 answered them, =E2=80=9C=

doing sin is a servant of sin.
Joh 8:35 =E2=80=9CAnd the servant does not stay in the house for=

stays forever.
Joh 8:36 =E2=80=9CIf, then, the Son makes you free, you shall be=

The question then is answered because the son who loves his Fath=

will be at peace even if the world around him falls away to the =

violent circumstances. Consider one more word:

Shalom,

Snow

Employ your time in improving yourself by other men's writings, =

that you shall gain easily what others have labored hard for. A =

of morality which is based on relative emotional values is a mer=

illusion, a thoroughly vulgar conception which has nothing sound=

and nothing true.
Socrates

You are full of baloney Mark...Go back and read all the curses you=
proclaimed toward me awhile back... Who brought the world peace th=

is prophesied??? Go back and read what you quoted from Jeremiah in=
context...Who is the prophet who proclaimed the PEACE that came to=
pass... I ask the question again...and another question...The proo=

that PEACE came to pass is evidenced by??? The joining of the two
houses is evidenced by??? Just read the prophecy for your answer.

Debra

Debra,

Are you and Mark T implying that Yeshua` promised peace and was a li=

so he was a false prophet?

Do you suppose Yeshua` promised =E2=80=9CPEACE ON EARTH=E2=80=9D????=

LIE.

He didn=E2=80=99t promise an earthly peace; he promised division and=
tribulation in the world:

Matt. 10:34 "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came=
not to send peace, but a sword". (The word translated "sword" means
war in the Greek.)

Luke 12:51-52 =E2=80=9C Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on e=

tell you, Nay; but rather division: For from henceforth there shall=
be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against
three.

Here he promised =E2=80=9Ctribulation=E2=80=9D in the world, but pea=

peace is obviously meant as a spiritual peace or else they would not=
have tribulation in the world):

John 16:33 =E2=80=9CThese things I have spoken unto you, that in me =

have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good
cheer; I have overcome the world=E2=80=9D.

His peace is NOT a worldly type of peace:
John 14:26-27 =E2=80=9CBut the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, w=

Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and brin=

all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. Pea=

I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth,=
give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be
afraid.=E2=80=9D

John 20:19-21 =E2=80=9Ccame Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith =

Peace be unto you. Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you:=
as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you=E2=80=9D.

You ought to actually read the NT and comprehend its message. Yeshua=

was more than a prophet; he was God incarnated as our Savioiur.- Hid=

- Show quoted text -

Pretty unsavory character, this Yeshua.

And you're just a pathetic lying megalomanic.

Glad to see you arguing with
Jews whether their "God" or your "God" is more morally contemptible.

Debra is not a Jew, but since you lie when you claim to be, you
wouldn't recognize that.

I guess to you that's a plus. To most of us, it's a big turn off.
BTW, you will never win trying to argue the Jesus is more evil than
his supposed father Jehovah. He doesn't even hold a candlestick to
that dark but searing sun.

I never said Yeshua` was evil - you did. You're really a buffoon.- Hide =

- Show quoted text -

Take the time to go back and read all of his posts...He came on the
scene at the end of Nov.
See if he sounds like anybody else in these forums although he
preaches a different belief.

Debra

On Dec 24, 10:29 am, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:

On Dec 24, 9:33 am,

On Dec 24, 6:08 am,LindaLee<lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:

On Dec 24, 12:59 am, Debra <the2goldilo...@aol.com> wrote:

On Dec 23, 8:37 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:

On Dec 24, 1:46 pm, Debra <the2goldilo...@aol.com> wrote:

Waiting to see what Snow has for his answer.

Debra

Mat 10:13 =E2=80=9CAnd if the house is worthy, let your peace co=

But if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you.

Of course there is more then one type of peace in this world and=
clearly a failure to grasp at these things has taken root in man=

Luk 1:79 to give light to those who sit in darkness and the shad=

death, to guide our feet into the way of peace.=E2=80=9D

Being guided to a way of peace speaks clearly to that which is
internal. It's something those of us who believe feel and somet=

hope you find. While you may think your on the right path, it's =

way of darkness to go about the earth accusing your brothers and=
sisters day and night, seeking whom you may destroy. You have n=

peace and are at war within your own self but know this:

Mat 12:25 And =D7=99=D7=94=D7=95=D7=A9=D7=A2 knew their thoughts=

reign divided against itself is laid waste, and every city or ho=

divided against itself shall not stand.

The internal conflict within your own hearts is destroying you a=

while it's a slow death, it's still death creeping. You'll know=
you've found that peace within when you can humbly acknowledge y=

sin and repent.

Mat 13:45 =E2=80=9CAgain, the reign of the heavens is like a man=

seeking fine pearls, 46 who, when he had found one pearl of grea=

price, went and sold all that he had and bought it.

You are a fine pearl and I do not wish that you be tarnished and=

give you this insight:

Mat 12:31 =E2=80=9CBecause of this I say to you, all sin and bla=

be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit shall not =

forgiven men.

Even adultery will be forgiven in the day.

Joh 8:34 =D7=99=D7=94=D7=95=D7=A9=D7=A2 answered them, =E2=80=9C=

doing sin is a servant of sin.
Joh 8:35 =E2=80=9CAnd the servant does not stay in the house for=

stays forever.
Joh 8:36 =E2=80=9CIf, then, the Son makes you free, you shall be=

The question then is answered because the son who loves his Fath=

will be at peace even if the world around him falls away to the =

violent circumstances. Consider one more word:

Shalom,

Snow

Employ your time in improving yourself by other men's writings, =

that you shall gain easily what others have labored hard for. A =

of morality which is based on relative emotional values is a mer=

illusion, a thoroughly vulgar conception which has nothing sound=

and nothing true.
Socrates

You are full of baloney Mark...Go back and read all the curses you=
proclaimed toward me awhile back... Who brought the world peace th=

is prophesied??? Go back and read what you quoted from Jeremiah in=
context...Who is the prophet who proclaimed the PEACE that came to=
pass... I ask the question again...and another question...The proo=

that PEACE came to pass is evidenced by??? The joining of the two
houses is evidenced by??? Just read the prophecy for your answer.

Debra

Debra,

Are you and Mark T implying that Yeshua` promised peace and was a li=

so he was a false prophet?

Do you suppose Yeshua` promised =E2=80=9CPEACE ON EARTH=E2=80=9D????=

LIE.

He didn=E2=80=99t promise an earthly peace; he promised division and=
tribulation in the world:

Matt. 10:34 "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came=
not to send peace, but a sword". (The word translated "sword" means
war in the Greek.)

Luke 12:51-52 =E2=80=9C Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on e=

tell you, Nay; but rather division: For from henceforth there shall=
be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against
three.

Here he promised =E2=80=9Ctribulation=E2=80=9D in the world, but pea=

peace is obviously meant as a spiritual peace or else they would not=
have tribulation in the world):

John 16:33 =E2=80=9CThese things I have spoken unto you, that in me =

have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good
cheer; I have overcome the world=E2=80=9D.

His peace is NOT a worldly type of peace:
John 14:26-27 =E2=80=9CBut the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, w=

Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and brin=

all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. Pea=

I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth,=
give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be
afraid.=E2=80=9D

John 20:19-21 =E2=80=9Ccame Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith =

Peace be unto you. Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you:=
as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you=E2=80=9D.

You ought to actually read the NT and comprehend its message. Yeshua=

was more than a prophet; he was God incarnated as our Savioiur.- Hid=

- Show quoted text -

Pretty unsavory character, this Yeshua.

And you're just a pathetic lying megalomanic.

Glad to see you arguing with
Jews whether their "God" or your "God" is more morally contemptible.

Debra is not a Jew, but since you lie when you claim to be, you
wouldn't recognize that.

I guess to you that's a plus. To most of us, it's a big turn off.
BTW, you will never win trying to argue the Jesus is more evil than
his supposed father Jehovah. He doesn't even hold a candlestick to
that dark but searing sun.

I never said Yeshua` was evil - you did. You're really a buffoon.- Hide =

- Show quoted text -

Take the time to go back and read all of his posts...He came on the
scene at the end of Nov.
See if he sounds like anybody else in these forums although he
preaches a different belief.

Debra