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"uri" |
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22 Dec 2007 10:23:47 AM |
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Re: Does god love everyone? |
Do you have any evidence that a loving God exists? There is no God, at
least not a loving God.
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| User: "Patriot Games" |
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| Title: Re: Does god love everyone? |
23 Dec 2007 10:09:30 AM |
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"uri" <danny99@bezeqint.net> wrote in message
news:5abba080-5dc0-4e3a-b267-a8966087e045@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com...
Do you have any evidence that a loving God exists?
You haven't even defined "loving" or "love."
There is no God, at least not a loving God.
Before YOU run off trying to NOT ***** on yourself while defining "loving" or
"love" please remember that YOUR definitions have NO MEANING.
The ONLY definitions that matter will be the definitions GOD uses....
Let me know when you get that worked out...
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| User: "uri" |
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23 Dec 2007 11:04:16 AM |
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On Dec 23, 6:09 pm, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:
Before YOU run off trying to NOT ***** on yourself while defining "loving" or
"love" please remember that YOUR definitions have NO MEANING.
The ONLY definitions that matter will be the definitions GOD uses....
But you're assuming that your God actually exists. There is no
evidence that he does.
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| User: "Patriot Games" |
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23 Dec 2007 01:29:27 PM |
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"uri" <danny99@bezeqint.net> wrote in message
news:20e2facf-cb33-4a3b-aadc-f0d3fb5bcb49@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 23, 6:09 pm, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:
Before YOU run off trying to NOT ***** on yourself while defining "loving"
or
"love" please remember that YOUR definitions have NO MEANING.
The ONLY definitions that matter will be the definitions GOD uses....
But you're assuming that your God actually exists. There is no
evidence that he does.
Then you saying: "Do you have any evidence that a loving God exists? There
is no God, at
least not a loving God." was IRRELEVANT on its face...
Thought so.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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23 Dec 2007 05:19:40 PM |
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On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 09:04:16 -0800 (PST), uri <danny99@bezeqint.net>
wrote:
On Dec 23, 6:09 pm, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:
Before YOU run off trying to NOT ***** on yourself while defining "loving" or
"love" please remember that YOUR definitions have NO MEANING.
The ONLY definitions that matter will be the definitions GOD uses....
But you're assuming that your God actually exists. There is no
evidence that he does.
Minerva is not a "he".
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Does god love everyone? |
23 Dec 2007 06:05:06 AM |
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"uri" <danny99@bezeqint.net> wrote in message
news:5abba080-5dc0-4e3a-b267-a8966087e045@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com...
Do you have any evidence that a loving God exists? There is no God, at
least not a loving God.
Who are you talking to, sweetie?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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23 Dec 2007 05:16:34 PM |
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On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:05:06 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"uri" <danny99@bezeqint.net> wrote in message
news:5abba080-5dc0-4e3a-b267-a8966087e045@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com...
Do you have any evidence that a loving God exists? There is no God, at
least not a loving God.
Who are you talking to, sweetie?
His shrink.
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| User: "Don Martin" |
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23 Dec 2007 08:46:42 AM |
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On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:05:06 -0500, "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com>
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"uri" <danny99@bezeqint.net> wrote in message
news:5abba080-5dc0-4e3a-b267-a8966087e045@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com...
Do you have any evidence that a loving God exists? There is no God, at
least not a loving God.
Who are you talking to, sweetie?
That's WHOM, dammit!
#2278 If you can't be a dirty old man, what is the point of being an old man?
Through a jaundiced eye darkly--rheum with a view.
The Squeeky Wheel http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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23 Dec 2007 05:19:06 PM |
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On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 09:46:42 -0500, Don Martin
<drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:05:06 -0500, "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com>
wrote:
"uri" <danny99@bezeqint.net> wrote in message
news:5abba080-5dc0-4e3a-b267-a8966087e045@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com...
Do you have any evidence that a loving God exists? There is no God, at
least not a loving God.
Who are you talking to, sweetie?
That's WHOM, dammit!
No, it is not.
If she had said "To whom are you talking..", you would have been
correct.
She was using the Nominative case, which takes "who", not the
Objective case, which takes "whom".
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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23 Dec 2007 06:33:10 PM |
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On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 09:49:06 +1030, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 09:46:42 -0500, Don Martin
<drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:05:06 -0500, "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com>
wrote:
"uri" <danny99@bezeqint.net> wrote in message
news:5abba080-5dc0-4e3a-b267-a8966087e045@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com...
Do you have any evidence that a loving God exists? There is no God, at
least not a loving God.
Who are you talking to, sweetie?
That's WHOM, dammit!
No, it is not.
If she had said "To whom are you talking..", you would have been
correct.
No. It should still be whom.
"Who" is subject, "whom" is the other cases.
She was using the Nominative case, which takes "who", not the
Objective case, which takes "whom".
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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24 Dec 2007 12:52:53 AM |
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On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 19:33:10 -0500, Christopher A.Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 09:49:06 +1030, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 09:46:42 -0500, Don Martin
<drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:05:06 -0500, "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com>
wrote:
"uri" <danny99@bezeqint.net> wrote in message
news:5abba080-5dc0-4e3a-b267-a8966087e045@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com...
Do you have any evidence that a loving God exists? There is no God, at
least not a loving God.
Who are you talking to, sweetie?
That's WHOM, dammit!
No, it is not.
If she had said "To whom are you talking..", you would have been
correct.
No. It should still be whom.
See below.
It is made brutally plain to the point of being absolutely mandatory
in my "Manual of English Grammar and Composition (in six parts)"
(J.C. Nesfield, MA. London, 1910)
"Who" is subject, "whom" is the other cases.
She was using the Nominative case, which takes "who", not the
Objective case, which takes "whom".
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| User: "Don Martin" |
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| Title: Re: Does god love everyone? |
24 Dec 2007 08:06:20 AM |
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On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 17:22:53 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 19:33:10 -0500, Christopher A.Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 09:49:06 +1030, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 09:46:42 -0500, Don Martin
<drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:05:06 -0500, "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com>
wrote:
"uri" <danny99@bezeqint.net> wrote in message
news:5abba080-5dc0-4e3a-b267-a8966087e045@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com...
Do you have any evidence that a loving God exists? There is no God, at
least not a loving God.
Who are you talking to, sweetie?
That's WHOM, dammit!
No, it is not.
If she had said "To whom are you talking..", you would have been
correct.
No. It should still be whom.
See below.
It is made brutally plain to the point of being absolutely mandatory
in my "Manual of English Grammar and Composition (in six parts)"
(J.C. Nesfield, MA. London, 1910)
"Who" is subject, "whom" is the other cases.
She was using the Nominative case, which takes "who", not the
Objective case, which takes "whom".
The subject of the sentence is "you", the "sweetie" of the apposition. The
"whom" is the object of the proposition "to"--she _is_ saying "to whom are you
talking"; she has just put the proposition at the end in a pattern common to
casual speech.
#2278 If you can't be a dirty old man, what is the point of being an old man?
Through a jaundiced eye darkly--rheum with a view.
The Squeeky Wheel http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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25 Dec 2007 04:36:42 AM |
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On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 09:06:20 -0500, Don Martin
<drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 17:22:53 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 19:33:10 -0500, Christopher A.Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 09:49:06 +1030, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 09:46:42 -0500, Don Martin
<drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:05:06 -0500, "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com>
wrote:
"uri" <danny99@bezeqint.net> wrote in message
news:5abba080-5dc0-4e3a-b267-a8966087e045@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com...
Do you have any evidence that a loving God exists? There is no God, at
least not a loving God.
Who are you talking to, sweetie?
That's WHOM, dammit!
No, it is not.
If she had said "To whom are you talking..", you would have been
correct.
No. It should still be whom.
See below.
It is made brutally plain to the point of being absolutely mandatory
in my "Manual of English Grammar and Composition (in six parts)"
(J.C. Nesfield, MA. London, 1910)
"Who" is subject, "whom" is the other cases.
She was using the Nominative case, which takes "who", not the
Objective case, which takes "whom".
The subject of the sentence is "you", the "sweetie" of the apposition. The
"whom" is the object of the proposition "to"--she _is_ saying "to whom are you
talking"; she has just put the proposition at the end in a pattern common to
casual speech.
You are referring to a naive (dare I say: 'urban legend') colloquial
appreciation of the parts of speech.
I stand by my Nominative/Objective judgment until proven otherwise.
I have the considerable weight of centuries of both authority as well
as opinion squarely behind my assertion.
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| User: "duke" |
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22 Dec 2007 12:47:49 PM |
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On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 08:23:47 -0800 (PST), uri <danny99@bezeqint.net> wrote:
Do you have any evidence that a loving God exists? There is no God, at
least not a loving God.
Now why would anyone believe you?
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "uri" |
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22 Dec 2007 01:37:15 PM |
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On Dec 22, 8:47 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
Now why would anyone believe you?
Faith is just that, faith, it cannot be shown to be true or false, we
believe what suits us, and there are a great many beliefs to choose
from.
Please bear in mind that all of this is nothing more than my personal
belief, the way I happen to prefer to view the world we live in. If
you prefer to see it differently, that's fine, because as long as my
beliefs do not interfere with your life, and yours mine, we do not
have a problem over religion. Religion only becomes a problem when we
fight over it, and countless millions of deaths can already be
directly attributed to disputes over religion.
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| User: "snausages" |
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23 Dec 2007 02:05:11 AM |
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On Dec 22, 11:37 am, uri <dann...@bezeqint.net> wrote:
On Dec 22, 8:47 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
Now why would anyone believe you?
Faith is just that, faith, it cannot be shown to be true or false, we
believe what suits us, and there are a great many beliefs to choose
from.
Please bear in mind that all of this is nothing more than my personal
belief, the way I happen to prefer to view the world we live in. If
you prefer to see it differently, that's fine, because as long as my
beliefs do not interfere with your life, and yours mine, we do not
have a problem over religion. Religion only becomes a problem when we
fight over it, and countless millions of deaths can already be
directly attributed to disputes over religion.
I watch in dismay as people, with one breath, proclaim their love for
a god, and in another breath spew hate and anger at anyone who doesn't
have the right color skin or religion or ideology. Do they not
understand that to believe in a god means to believe that everyone is
their brothers and sisters?
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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23 Dec 2007 03:13:42 AM |
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On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 00:05:11 -0800 (PST), snausages
<goofindoo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 22, 11:37 am, uri <dann...@bezeqint.net> wrote:
On Dec 22, 8:47 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
Now why would anyone believe you?
Faith is just that, faith, it cannot be shown to be true or false, we
believe what suits us, and there are a great many beliefs to choose
from.
Please bear in mind that all of this is nothing more than my personal
belief, the way I happen to prefer to view the world we live in. If
you prefer to see it differently, that's fine, because as long as my
beliefs do not interfere with your life, and yours mine, we do not
have a problem over religion. Religion only becomes a problem when we
fight over it, and countless millions of deaths can already be
directly attributed to disputes over religion.
I watch in dismay as people, with one breath, proclaim their love for
a god, and in another breath spew hate and anger at anyone who doesn't
have the right color skin or religion or ideology. Do they not
understand that to believe in a god means to believe that everyone is
their brothers and sisters?
They understand it, but it interferes with their religiously
indoctrinated greed.
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| User: "Seon Ferguson" |
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23 Dec 2007 03:59:54 AM |
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"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:dk9sm3tbfj68dc19d1lf3pbsq643l1atoj@4ax.com...
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 00:05:11 -0800 (PST), snausages
<goofindoo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 22, 11:37 am, uri <dann...@bezeqint.net> wrote:
On Dec 22, 8:47 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
Now why would anyone believe you?
Faith is just that, faith, it cannot be shown to be true or false, we
believe what suits us, and there are a great many beliefs to choose
from.
Please bear in mind that all of this is nothing more than my personal
belief, the way I happen to prefer to view the world we live in. If
you prefer to see it differently, that's fine, because as long as my
beliefs do not interfere with your life, and yours mine, we do not
have a problem over religion. Religion only becomes a problem when we
fight over it, and countless millions of deaths can already be
directly attributed to disputes over religion.
I watch in dismay as people, with one breath, proclaim their love for
a god, and in another breath spew hate and anger at anyone who doesn't
have the right color skin or religion or ideology. Do they not
understand that to believe in a god means to believe that everyone is
their brothers and sisters?
They understand it, but it interferes with their religiously
indoctrinated greed.
The "God" I have faith in loves everybody, even atheists in fact he even
wants people to be Atheists. As long as they live life the way they want
thats all he asks for them.
I read somewhere the personal God you create reflects who you really are and
what your views are. If so I guess that says a lot about what kind of person
I am.
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| User: "" |
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23 Dec 2007 10:25:58 AM |
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On 23 dec, 10:59, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
"Michael Gray" <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:dk9sm3tbfj68dc19d1lf3pbsq643l1atoj@4ax.com...
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 00:05:11 -0800 (PST), snausages
<goofin...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 22, 11:37 am, uri <dann...@bezeqint.net> wrote:
On Dec 22, 8:47 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
Now why would anyone believe you?
Faith is just that, faith, it cannot be shown to be true or false, we
believe what suits us, and there are a great many beliefs to choose
from.
Please bear in mind that all of this is nothing more than my personal
belief, the way I happen to prefer to view the world we live in. If
you prefer to see it differently, that's fine, because as long as my
beliefs do not interfere with your life, and yours mine, we do not
have a problem over religion. Religion only becomes a problem when we
fight over it, and countless millions of deaths can already be
directly attributed to disputes over religion.
I watch in dismay as people, with one breath, proclaim their love for
a god, and in another breath spew hate and anger at anyone who doesn't
have the right color skin or religion or ideology. =A0Do they not
understand that to believe in a god means to believe that everyone is
their brothers and sisters?
They understand it, but it interferes with their religiously
indoctrinated greed.
The "God" I have faith in loves everybody, even atheists in fact he even
wants people to be Atheists. As long as they live life the way they want
thats all he asks for them.
I read somewhere the personal God you create reflects who you really are a=
nd
what your views are. If so I guess that says a lot about what kind of pers=
on
I am.- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
Do I understand correctly the you want people to be atheists if that
is what we want? I have to disillusion you, I did not choose to be an
atheist, I wanted to believe that there was an allmighty power that
would ensure that good prevails over evil. However that is wishfull
thinking, and if I want good to prevail over evil, I will have to make
that happen myself, together with billions like me.
Alas some people think it is good to kill someone over the name of a
teddybear:-(
Peter van Velzen
December 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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23 Dec 2007 06:56:52 AM |
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On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 20:59:54 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com>
wrote:
"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:dk9sm3tbfj68dc19d1lf3pbsq643l1atoj@4ax.com...
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 00:05:11 -0800 (PST), snausages
<goofindoo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 22, 11:37 am, uri <dann...@bezeqint.net> wrote:
On Dec 22, 8:47 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
Now why would anyone believe you?
Faith is just that, faith, it cannot be shown to be true or false, we
believe what suits us, and there are a great many beliefs to choose
from.
Please bear in mind that all of this is nothing more than my personal
belief, the way I happen to prefer to view the world we live in. If
you prefer to see it differently, that's fine, because as long as my
beliefs do not interfere with your life, and yours mine, we do not
have a problem over religion. Religion only becomes a problem when we
fight over it, and countless millions of deaths can already be
directly attributed to disputes over religion.
I watch in dismay as people, with one breath, proclaim their love for
a god, and in another breath spew hate and anger at anyone who doesn't
have the right color skin or religion or ideology. Do they not
understand that to believe in a god means to believe that everyone is
their brothers and sisters?
They understand it, but it interferes with their religiously
indoctrinated greed.
The "God" I have faith in loves everybody, even atheists in fact he even
wants people to be Atheists. As long as they live life the way they want
thats all he asks for them.
Sheer, arrogant stupidity.
If you had demonstrated its existence in the real world beyond your
cult, you might have had a point.
But didn't and you haven't.
Until you do that you have nothing whatsoever to say on the subject.
I read somewhere the personal God you create reflects who you really are and
what your views are. If so I guess that says a lot about what kind of person
I am.
In your case someone who hasn't the courtesy to keep his stupid yap
shut, no matter what he thinks.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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23 Dec 2007 05:16:13 PM |
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On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 20:59:54 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com>
wrote:
"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:dk9sm3tbfj68dc19d1lf3pbsq643l1atoj@4ax.com...
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 00:05:11 -0800 (PST), snausages
<goofindoo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 22, 11:37 am, uri <dann...@bezeqint.net> wrote:
On Dec 22, 8:47 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
Now why would anyone believe you?
Faith is just that, faith, it cannot be shown to be true or false, we
believe what suits us, and there are a great many beliefs to choose
from.
Please bear in mind that all of this is nothing more than my personal
belief, the way I happen to prefer to view the world we live in. If
you prefer to see it differently, that's fine, because as long as my
beliefs do not interfere with your life, and yours mine, we do not
have a problem over religion. Religion only becomes a problem when we
fight over it, and countless millions of deaths can already be
directly attributed to disputes over religion.
I watch in dismay as people, with one breath, proclaim their love for
a god, and in another breath spew hate and anger at anyone who doesn't
have the right color skin or religion or ideology. Do they not
understand that to believe in a god means to believe that everyone is
their brothers and sisters?
They understand it, but it interferes with their religiously
indoctrinated greed.
The "God" I have faith in loves everybody, even atheists in fact he even
wants people to be Atheists. As long as they live life the way they want
thats all he asks for them.
I read somewhere the personal God you create reflects who you really are and
what your views are. If so I guess that says a lot about what kind of person
I am.
And what kind of person Benny Hinn is.
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