On May 30, 1:00 pm, Immortalist <reanimater_2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On May 29, 8:55 pm, "=A5 UltraMan =A5" <u...@man.jp> wrote:
Stephen wrote:
I'm an atheist bordering deist.
Everything we know about space, time, physics, the universe, etc.
started with the big bang. What, other than supreme cause (outside of
space/time) could have "started it off"?
Anything other than a "supreme being" logically "started it off".
I've read a ton of papers by Vic Stenger, and can't get a real answer.
What caused the big bang?
No cause, just happened.
If "happen" means to come to pass by chance; occur without apparent
reason or design: Don't ask me what caused it-it just happened, that's
all, how does the "appearance" of no reason or design necessarily
mean, never caused, in this case, in fact?
It doesn't.
Science (physics, cosmology, whatever) makes no hypothesis about this
question because it isn't subject to scientific analysis. There can be
no data about it.
So we are left with a philosophical question with three broad options.
1) There was stuff like the stuff we are familiar with now, including
time. But this leads to the endless regression of how that stuff got
there.
2) There was a condition with some of the stuff we are familiar with
now---a vacuum thingie with energy, but no time, or some version of
that.
3) It was nothing like anything we can imagine or comprehend.
Note that 'was' is used loosely---2 and 3 support some kind of meta-
universe, and 3 at least some kind of multi-verse, as well as Gods and
such, although that slightly contradicts me since I just imagined it.
In either case, whatever it was still exists, from our time-bound
perspective.
-tg
It's basic logic: everything that began has a cause.
Then your "supreme being" would need a cause, or be irrelevant.
Our current universe began with the big bang.
Yep.
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