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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Arne Langsetmo"
Date: 05 Apr 2004 03:20:06 AM
Object: Re: ESTABLISHING THE RELIGION OF ATHEISM
"ButtMaster" Dana stole someone else's writing:

ESTABLISHING THE RELIGION OF ATHEISM

By Bill McGinnis, Public Domain

A person's religion is the sum total of his beliefs about God and the
supernatural. Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are the three largest
"monotheistic" religions, with belief one God, Creator Of The
Universe.

Some religions are "polytheistic," with belief in many gods, each with
different functions.

Atheism is the religion whose belief about God is that there is no
God.

You should worry a bit more about your own f*&king religion, and
who it says you should kill, instead of trying to tell atheists
what an atheist believes (or doesn't believe) and thinks.
My belief about Santa is that there is no Santa. My belief
about flying pigs is that there are no flying pigs. My
belief about Xtian fundie foamers is that they're stoopid
and hypocritical lying scum.
That hardly makes me religious. It makes me an acute observer
of reality.

Some Atheists, for their own political reasons, . . .

Nonsense.

. . . assert that Atheism is
not a religion but instead is the total absence of religion. . . .

That it is.

. . . This
allows them to spread their Atheistic beliefs freely in societies
which insist on "separation of church and state."

Some dishonest Xtian fundie foamers (oh, but I repeat myself) assert
(probably for political and/or rhetorical purposes) that atheism is
a religion. This allows them to complain that atheists are spreading
"religion" when atheists and/or others with a shred of sense try
to keep the religious whackjobs from hijacking the gummint. All
lies, of course.

But this is like saying that "black," (which physicists define as the
total absence of color) is not a color. . . .

In in physics, it _is_ indeed the total absence of colour and thus
not a colour.

. . . The car I drive is a big, old
Chevrolet, whose color is black. In common practice throughout the
world, "black" is understood to be a color, despite the technical
definition of the physicists. . . .

So technically, the physicists are right. It's just people that
have a shallow understanding of what's going on that are confused.

. . . Likewise, "Atheism" is a religion,
despite any technical definitions to the contrary.

No. Some people try to pretend that it's a "religion", while
ignoring the fundamental differences underlying the two, much
as less educated people don't know the difference between
absence of light and the spectral characteristics of light
that actually does exist. The Invisible Pink Unicorn sheds
light on this theological/epistemological/existential conundrum.

If black is a color, then Atheism is a religion.

OK. Black isn't a colour.

If Atheism is a religion, then it must be subject to the same legal
restrictions imposed by governments on all other religions. . . .

WaddidItellya?

. . . In
particular, in the United States, the teaching of Atheism must be
prohibited wherever the teaching of Christianity is prohibited.

Oh, you didn't need to go through the above sophistry to make
_that_ claim. The gummint must be neutral on matters of religion,
neither for or against any particular religion or it's creeds,
and also on the matter of religion or non-religion.

But where is Atheism being taught? Atheism is being taught, by
default, in all places where other religions cannot be taught,
particularly in the public schools.

Nonsense. Defining "atheism" in this way is ridiculous, but
at least it shows that your thesis above about it being a
religion is full-o-shite and totally devoid of logic.

When the State mandates that the Theory of Evolution be taught as
fact, . . .

Nope. They mandate that the fact of evolution be taught as
fact. The theory _should_ be taught, as the best current
explanation for the observed facts.

. . . that is establishing the religion of Atheism, because the Theory
of Evolution asserts that all life forms are created not by God, but
by pre-existing natural processes. . . .

Nope. It is neutral on what any Gawd may have done WRT creation.

. . . This is pure Atheism! If we are not
created by God, . . .

Abiogenesis (by whatever means) is not the subject of evolution.
Just a FYI for the scientifically illiterate here.

. . . . then there might as well be no God, for all the
difference He makes.

Ummmmmm, clue for you: Your Gawd doesn't seem to be making
much "difference". The world's a stinking place, just in case
you haven't been reading the headlines lately, and if Gawd's
responsible for this, I'd say you need a new Gawd with a lick
o' sense.

The mere fact that many scientists are Atheists does not entitle them
to establish Atheism as our State Religion!

The fact that many physicists are atheists doesn't entitle them to
hold us to the laws of gravity. That's imposing Atheist religious
dogma on us, contrary to our religious freedoms.

When the State prohibits free discussion of God in the classroom, that
is establishing the religion of Atheism. . . .

Nope. It's following the Constitution. The Constitution doesn't
forbid scientific instruction though (and a good thing too).

. . . Wherever the State permits
Atheistic ideas to be spread but prohibits Theistic ideas, that is
establishing the religion of Atheism.

So the cute little tykes should be taught that bats are birds as
an "alternative theory"? And that rabbits chew a cud?

Therefore I urge you to understand clearly in your mind that Atheism
is a religion, just as Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are religions.
And any restrictions placed on Christianity, Judaism, or Islam must
also be placed on Atheism. Atheism must not be allowed to slip through
its little loophole any longer, by pretending it is not a religion.

Blessings to you in the name of the One God, Creator of the Universe.

FOADATID, you fundie twit.
Cheers,
-- Arne Langsetmo
.

User: "J. W. McCall"

Title: Re: ESTABLISHING THE RELIGION OF ATHEISM 05 Apr 2004 04:26:57 AM
Arne Langsetmo wrote:

"ButtMaster" Dana stole someone else's writing:

ESTABLISHING THE RELIGION OF ATHEISM

By Bill McGinnis, Public Domain

A person's religion is the sum total of his beliefs about God and the
supernatural. Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are the three largest
"monotheistic" religions, with belief one God, Creator Of The
Universe.

*lots of snippage*
from www.dictionary.com:
*begin quote*
re·li·gion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (r-ljn)
n.
1.
1. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers
regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
2. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such
belief and worship.
2. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of
a spiritual leader.
4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or
conscientious devotion.
*end quote*
Note the phrase "belief in and reverence for...". Atheists are defined
as having a lack of this trait.
As far as black as a color: In physics, it's not; it's a lack of color.
In art, it's not; it's a shade. In common parlance it is, but if one
is having a logical argument, one cannot rely on such definitions. One
must precisely define terms. Common usage can change with fads and
trends over the years, but in physics or art it's unlikely to unless
backed up by strong reasons. Besides, colors as percieved by human
visual organs is a different matter entirely from religious beliefs or
the lack thereof.
Religious beliefs are dramatically different from a lack of said
beliefs. Religious people generally act a certain way to please their
deity of choice and ensure their place in the afterlife, reincarnation,
etc. Atheists act according to their own beliefs, whether those beliefs
derive from their own self-interest, what is best for society, or some
other logical decisions.
In short, having a complete lack of all traits that define and describe
every religion that I know of doesn't make atheism another religion, but
a lack thereof.
J. W. McCall
.


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