Edward Glamkowski wrote:
"=> Vox Populi ©" <vox@popu.li> wrote in message
Jarg wrote:
"=> Vox Populi ©" <vox@popu.li> wrote in message > >
Here are some other statistics for your amusement:
GDP (per capita)
Luxembourg $44,586
United States $35,935
Bermuda $34,396
San Marino $33,898
Cayman Islands $32,531
Switzerland $31,635
Norway $31,601
Belgium $28,963
Denmark $28,963
Canada $28,932
Yep, so why is the U$$A the only "wealthy" state
on that list with such an atrocious incarceration/crime rate?
We're the most diverse of the lot, and have the least consistency
over our history. We're also vastly bigger, both in terms of land
area and size of population.
Irrelevant, the stats are adjusted PER CAPITA.
Even in Canada or the Cayman Islands they've retained a good deal
of homogeneity since european colonization.
Spent much time in Montreal or Vancouver ...?
In Cayman, they're either slave descendants named Eubanks or they are the
wealthy white tourists.
In the US we've undergone
many waves of immigration originating from many different parts of the
world, sometimes from parts of the world that are otherwise hostile
towards each other (e.g. English vs. Irish).
Which of course explains nothing, as the countries those immigrants
came from don't suffer the crime/incarceration rates the U$$A does.
And even in Northern Ireland where the English/Irish conflict is
at it's peak, it don't hold a candle to the reprehensible U$ stats.
In most of these countries as well there is a long history of heavy
government intervention in people's lives (from feudalism and the
nobility, with some of these countries even remaining kingdoms to this
very day!). A homogenous population that tolerates heavy federal
regulation of daily lives is one that is going to have low crime.
Oh... I see, it's the wonderfully exclusive U$ "Freedom" that caused
such a high crime/incarceration rate ... and all those despotic unfree
countries of Europe, The Americas and the rest of the planet would
have higher crime/incarceration rates if they could just be "liberated"
from their chains ... eh?
Japan is the extreme example of that - violent crime is virtually
unheard of. Japan also has virtually no immigration, an extremely
heavy handed government, and rabid xenophobia.
Oh, I see, and those other countries listed above Japan, but 200 - 500% lower
than the U$$A in the latter list below ... what's their excuse?
TEN LEADING NATIONS IN INCARCERATION RATES
Source: Rate for Russia calculated from figures cited on previous page; for the
US Prisoners in 2000: for all other nations, Roy Walmsley,
World Prison Population List (2nded.), United Kingdom
Home Office Research, Development and Statistics Directorate,
July 2000. Incarceration data were collected on varying dates within
the period 1997 through 1999.
Incarceration Rate (number of people in prison per 100,000 population)
699 United States of America
665 Cayman Islands
644 Russia
575 Belarus
495 Kazakhstan
485 Bahamas
475 US Virgin Islands
460 Belize
445 Bermuda
440 Kyrgyzstan
RATE OF INCARCERATION IN SELECTED NATIONS
Source: Rate for Russia calculated from figures cited on previous page; for the
US Prisoners in 2000: for all other nations, Roy Walmsley,
World Prison Population List (2nded.), United Kingdom
Home Office Research, Development and Statistics Directorate, July 2000.
Incarceration Rate (number of people in prison per 100,000 population)
699 United States of America
644 Russia
400 South Africa
125 United Kingdom
110 Canada
110 Australia
110 Spain
95 Germany
90 France
90 Italy
90 Netherlands
85 Switzerland
60 Sweden
40 Japan
Not how I want to live, but your mileage may vary.
And these countries scare you away with their despotic
brutal Orwellian govt's ...?
125 United Kingdom
110 Canada
110 Australia
110 Spain
95 Germany
90 France
90 Italy
90 Netherlands
85 Switzerland
60 Sweden
A very heterogenous society with a history that begins with and
sustains rebellion against federal authority is going to be more
chaotic in terms of interpersonal relations of its citizens.
Yes Dorothy, that's the point. The U$$A is a very violent belligerent
country as a whole ... and it has plenty of WMD ...
Of course there are other factors. For example, the lack of a strong
family unit in the US today.
Complete *****. "Families" are neither here nor there when
it comes to the topics under discussion.
What little there ever was of it in the
US has been completely shattered in recent decades. There has been a
dramatic decline in the importance of religion in the US, and
consequently of morality.
More utter *****. Religion is a disease, a mental defect, nothing but
pig-ignorant superstitious nonsense ... and quite frankly a large part
of the human problem today.
Lack of respect for authority,
"Authority" gets the respect it deserves, and earns.
diverse groups with historical
antagonisms,
Really? Got any cites or stats that show any meaningful portion of
the massive U$ incarceration/crime rates is because of specified inter-group
fighting?
no strong family unit,
***** your family.
declining religion
***** your religion, and ***** what it stands for.
and morality -
Now who's fault is that?
all problems which don't generally exist in these other countries.
So these other countries ARE better ...?
But combined in this way, they are a recipe for disaster. A disaster
which has been decades in coming, and is now playing out its final
chapters. The war on terrorism may have accelerated it the end, but
did not initiate it - it had begun decades earlier.
Look at the vitrol on both sides of the 2004 election - people are
tearing this country apart, and over what? Two nearly identical sock
puppets? Good grief! If people are nearly in a state of civil war
over something like that, we're doomed.
Can't wait, civil war can be fun .. especially the lurp patrols exacting
revenge on the neo-con fascist who deserve the same fate as Germany's
fascists ...
--
"Naturally, the common people don't want war;
neither in Russia nor in England nor in America,
nor for that matter in Germany.
That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders
of the country who determine the policy and
it is always a simple matter to drag the people
along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist
dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can
always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
That is easy. All you have to do is tell them
they are being attacked and denounce the
pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing
the country to danger. It works the same way
in any country."
- Hermann Goering, Nazi Reichsmarshall
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