Religions > Atheism > Re: Ever read the idiots who say June 6th 2006 is the end of the world?
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06 Apr 2006 05:14:12 PM |
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Re: Ever read the idiots who say June 6th 2006 is the end of the world? |
Krusty wrote:
"D-Chance." <dchance@cox-internet.com> wrote...
"Krusty" <krusty@sc.rr.com> wrote
Some of it kinda freaks you out in a sense
No, not even a little. The Easter Bunny doesn't freak me out, Santa Claus
doesn't freak me out, and Imaginary Jesus doesn't freak me out.
http://www.humorbg.com/Karikaturi/animals/a-blind-man-and-his-dog.jpg
Blind men with dogs don't freak me out either. I'm comfortable with my
insignificant place in the Universe. I'm not unique. I'm not special. And I
won't go to a fluffy white place in the sky and hang out with Dumbledore
when I die. "God" didn't give me my opposable thumbs, and I'm not about to
surrender my own intelligence to some made up hooey because it makes you
less scared about dying.
Your mythology has no power here. Scurry along rube, preach to the marks who
buy that ***** you're selling.
Believing in Jesus isn't nearly as stupid as believing the universe
wasn't created by someone or something.
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06 Apr 2006 05:54:43 PM |
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<livingdjinn> wrote in message
Believing in Jesus isn't nearly as stupid as believing the universe
wasn't created by someone or something.
Who created the 'someone' or 'something'??
See the fallacy of your statement??
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| User: "the Bede" |
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06 Apr 2006 06:09:10 PM |
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"Zadok" <nobler@accesswave.ca> wrote in message
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<livingdjinn> wrote in message
Believing in Jesus isn't nearly as stupid as believing the universe
wasn't created by someone or something.
Who created the 'someone' or 'something'??
See the fallacy of your statement??
the whole point is that "the 'someone' or 'something'" doesn't need to be
created, since it is supernatural--only natural things do. try to keep up.
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| User: "Zadok" |
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06 Apr 2006 07:10:48 PM |
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"the Bede" <> wrote in message ...
the whole point is that "the 'someone' or 'something'" doesn't need to be
created, since it is supernatural--only natural things do. try to keep
up.
Of course, why didn't I get that. Make it supernatural and it doesn't need
to be created!!
Kind of like Santa Claus, delivering presents to all the kids in one night.
Ooops, no that is made up!!
Kind of like the tooth fairy. Oooops another made up thing.
Do try and keep up!!
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06 Apr 2006 07:26:31 PM |
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Zadok wrote:
"the Bede" <> wrote in message ...
the whole point is that "the 'someone' or 'something'" doesn't need to be
created, since it is supernatural--only natural things do. try to keep
up.
Of course, why didn't I get that. Make it supernatural and it doesn't need
to be created!!
Kind of like Santa Claus, delivering presents to all the kids in one night.
Ooops, no that is made up!!
Kind of like the tooth fairy. Oooops another made up thing.
Do try and keep up!!
Twice the punctuation, twice the truth value.
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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06 Apr 2006 06:25:00 PM |
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"the Bede" <rspwsownthebede@yahoo.com>
"Zadok" <nobler@accesswave.ca> wrote in message
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<livingdjinn> wrote in message
Believing in Jesus isn't nearly as stupid as believing the universe
wasn't created by someone or something.
Who created the 'someone' or 'something'??
See the fallacy of your statement??
the whole point is that "the 'someone' or 'something'" doesn't need to be
created, since it is supernatural--only natural things do. try to keep up.
Natural things do not have to be created either -- look at quantum foam.
-- cary
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| User: "the Bede" |
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06 Apr 2006 09:30:44 PM |
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"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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Natural things do not have to be created either -- look at quantum foam.
I can't--my eyes aren't that good.
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07 Apr 2006 06:13:12 PM |
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
"the Bede" <rspwsownthebede@yahoo.com>
"Zadok" <nobler@accesswave.ca> wrote in message
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<livingdjinn> wrote in message
Believing in Jesus isn't nearly as stupid as believing the universe
wasn't created by someone or something.
Who created the 'someone' or 'something'??
See the fallacy of your statement??
the whole point is that "the 'someone' or 'something'" doesn't need to be
created, since it is supernatural--only natural things do. try to keep up.
Natural things do not have to be created either -- look at quantum foam.
Quantum foam is similar to a random text generator on the internet. An
intelligent being did not create the random text, but the random text
generator was created.
Quantum foam is due to some "code" in the universe (actually all the
strings of which the known universe is only a d-brane) that generates
it and its effects. But who is the coder?
-- cary
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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07 Apr 2006 06:18:37 PM |
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In article <1144451592.224344.272680@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
"the Bede" <rspwsownthebede@yahoo.com>
"Zadok" <nobler@accesswave.ca> wrote in message
news:T_gZf.42846$%H.19658@clgrps13...
<livingdjinn> wrote in message
Believing in Jesus isn't nearly as stupid as believing the universe
wasn't created by someone or something.
Who created the 'someone' or 'something'??
See the fallacy of your statement??
the whole point is that "the 'someone' or 'something'" doesn't need to be
created, since it is supernatural--only natural things do. try to keep up.
Natural things do not have to be created either -- look at quantum foam.
Quantum foam is similar to a random text generator on the internet. An
intelligent being did not create the random text, but the random text
generator was created.
Quantum foam is due to some "code" in the universe (actually all the
strings of which the known universe is only a d-brane) that generates
it and its effects. But who is the coder?
And so the further back you go, the simpler things get -- fewer
parts, fewer rules, fewer structures; all the complexity
above emergent from the less complex layer beneath.
Why, at the basement level, where things presumably come down
to a handful of elements and laws -- or fewer -- must there
of necessity be any Thing behind it at all?
-- cary
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07 Apr 2006 06:34:10 PM |
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <1144451592.224344.272680@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
"the Bede" <rspwsownthebede@yahoo.com>
"Zadok" <nobler@accesswave.ca> wrote in message
news:T_gZf.42846$%H.19658@clgrps13...
<livingdjinn> wrote in message
Believing in Jesus isn't nearly as stupid as believing the universe
wasn't created by someone or something.
Who created the 'someone' or 'something'??
See the fallacy of your statement??
the whole point is that "the 'someone' or 'something'" doesn't need to be
created, since it is supernatural--only natural things do. try to keep up.
Natural things do not have to be created either -- look at quantum foam.
Quantum foam is similar to a random text generator on the internet. An
intelligent being did not create the random text, but the random text
generator was created.
Quantum foam is due to some "code" in the universe (actually all the
strings of which the known universe is only a d-brane) that generates
it and its effects. But who is the coder?
And so the further back you go, the simpler things get -- fewer
parts, fewer rules, fewer structures; all the complexity
above emergent from the less complex layer beneath.
Why, at the basement level, where things presumably come down
to a handful of elements and laws -- or fewer -- must there
of necessity be any Thing behind it at all?
-- cary
Elements and laws are like computer languages. Someone had to create
those languages.
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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07 Apr 2006 07:00:20 PM |
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In article <1144452850.769407.310250@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <1144451592.224344.272680@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
"the Bede" <rspwsownthebede@yahoo.com>
"Zadok" <nobler@accesswave.ca> wrote in message
news:T_gZf.42846$%H.19658@clgrps13...
<livingdjinn> wrote in message
Believing in Jesus isn't nearly as stupid as believing the universe
wasn't created by someone or something.
Who created the 'someone' or 'something'??
See the fallacy of your statement??
the whole point is that "the 'someone' or 'something'" doesn't need to be
created, since it is supernatural--only natural things do. try to keep up.
Natural things do not have to be created either -- look at quantum foam.
Quantum foam is similar to a random text generator on the internet. An
intelligent being did not create the random text, but the random text
generator was created.
Quantum foam is due to some "code" in the universe (actually all the
strings of which the known universe is only a d-brane) that generates
it and its effects. But who is the coder?
And so the further back you go, the simpler things get -- fewer
parts, fewer rules, fewer structures; all the complexity
above emergent from the less complex layer beneath.
Why, at the basement level, where things presumably come down
to a handful of elements and laws -- or fewer -- must there
of necessity be any Thing behind it at all?
-- cary
Elements and laws are like computer languages. Someone had to create
those languages.
Elements and laws are note really like computer languages, because they
exist, and function, only when embedded in enormous underlying
complexity -- the computer hardware, which in turn was a product
of enormously greater complexity: us.
I'm talking about much simpler things: whatever lies below
the -- already strikingly simple -- quarks, leptons, and four
forces.
-- cary
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07 Apr 2006 07:48:33 PM |
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <1144452850.769407.310250@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <1144451592.224344.272680@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
"the Bede" <rspwsownthebede@yahoo.com>
"Zadok" <nobler@accesswave.ca> wrote in message
news:T_gZf.42846$%H.19658@clgrps13...
<livingdjinn> wrote in message
Believing in Jesus isn't nearly as stupid as believing the universe
wasn't created by someone or something.
Who created the 'someone' or 'something'??
See the fallacy of your statement??
the whole point is that "the 'someone' or 'something'" doesn't need to be
created, since it is supernatural--only natural things do. try to keep up.
Natural things do not have to be created either -- look at quantum foam.
Quantum foam is similar to a random text generator on the internet. An
intelligent being did not create the random text, but the random text
generator was created.
Quantum foam is due to some "code" in the universe (actually all the
strings of which the known universe is only a d-brane) that generates
it and its effects. But who is the coder?
And so the further back you go, the simpler things get -- fewer
parts, fewer rules, fewer structures; all the complexity
above emergent from the less complex layer beneath.
Why, at the basement level, where things presumably come down
to a handful of elements and laws -- or fewer -- must there
of necessity be any Thing behind it at all?
-- cary
Elements and laws are like computer languages. Someone had to create
those languages.
Elements and laws are note really like computer languages, because they
exist, and function, only when embedded in enormous underlying
complexity -- the computer hardware, which in turn was a product
of enormously greater complexity: us.
And who created the computer hardware that is the universe?
I'm talking about much simpler things: whatever lies below
the -- already strikingly simple -- quarks, leptons, and four
forces.
Those were all created by the strings, which are pretty complex in and
of themselves.
-- cary
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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07 Apr 2006 08:21:46 PM |
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In article <1144457313.509866.146510@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <1144452850.769407.310250@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <1144451592.224344.272680@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
"the Bede" <rspwsownthebede@yahoo.com>
"Zadok" <nobler@accesswave.ca> wrote in message
news:T_gZf.42846$%H.19658@clgrps13...
<livingdjinn> wrote in message
Believing in Jesus isn't nearly as stupid as believing the universe
wasn't created by someone or something.
Who created the 'someone' or 'something'??
See the fallacy of your statement??
the whole point is that "the 'someone' or 'something'" doesn't need to be
created, since it is supernatural--only natural things do. try to keep up.
Natural things do not have to be created either -- look at quantum foam.
Quantum foam is similar to a random text generator on the internet. An
intelligent being did not create the random text, but the random text
generator was created.
Quantum foam is due to some "code" in the universe (actually all the
strings of which the known universe is only a d-brane) that generates
it and its effects. But who is the coder?
And so the further back you go, the simpler things get -- fewer
parts, fewer rules, fewer structures; all the complexity
above emergent from the less complex layer beneath.
Why, at the basement level, where things presumably come down
to a handful of elements and laws -- or fewer -- must there
of necessity be any Thing behind it at all?
-- cary
Elements and laws are like computer languages. Someone had to create
those languages.
Elements and laws are note really like computer languages, because they
exist, and function, only when embedded in enormous underlying
complexity -- the computer hardware, which in turn was a product
of enormously greater complexity: us.
And who created the computer hardware that is the universe?
It appears to be much infinitely simpler than your PC (though
the math which might let humans manipulate it symbolically is not)
I'm talking about much simpler things: whatever lies below
the -- already strikingly simple -- quarks, leptons, and four
forces.
Those were all created by the strings, which are pretty complex in and
of themselves.
String theory -- or the many many varieties of string theory -- is certainly
a hot topic currently, but even the most dedicated investigator is
not willing to say that it will turn out to be The Answer, or whether
it will just be one more failed attempt which produced some beautiful
and occasionally useful math along the way.
It would be nice if it -- any on of them, rather -- would produce
something like a testable prediction.
-- cary
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| User: "KK" |
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10 Apr 2006 08:49:39 AM |
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On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:34:10 -0700, livingdjinn wrote:
Elements and laws are like computer languages. Someone had to create
those languages.
Brilliant logic.
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07 Apr 2006 09:22:06 AM |
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
"the Bede" <rspwsownthebede@yahoo.com>
"Zadok" <nobler@accesswave.ca> wrote in message
news:T_gZf.42846$%H.19658@clgrps13...
<livingdjinn> wrote in message
Believing in Jesus isn't nearly as stupid as believing the universe
wasn't created by someone or something.
Who created the 'someone' or 'something'??
See the fallacy of your statement??
the whole point is that "the 'someone' or 'something'" doesn't need to be
created, since it is supernatural--only natural things do. try to keep up.
Natural things do not have to be created either -- look at quantum foam.
-- cary
The incalculable odds against consciousness or even matter existing
apart from energy given the initial conditions indicates something more
could very well be going on behind the scenes. To outright dismiss the
possibility is as insane as being a fundie. Atheism also requires
faith, which I don't have.
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| User: "Krusty" |
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07 Apr 2006 09:31:05 AM |
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"whome?" <whome@beets.crib.com> wrote
The incalculable odds against consciousness or even matter existing apart
from energy given the initial conditions indicates something more could
very well be going on behind the scenes.
Um, no.
To outright dismiss the possibility is as insane as being a fundie.
No again.
Atheism also requires faith
And finally, no.
Three for three. Well done.
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| User: "whome?" |
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07 Apr 2006 10:36:14 AM |
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Krusty wrote:
"whome?" <whome@beets.crib.com> wrote
The incalculable odds against consciousness or even matter existing apart
from energy given the initial conditions indicates something more could
very well be going on behind the scenes.
Um, no.
To outright dismiss the possibility is as insane as being a fundie.
No again.
Atheism also requires faith
And finally, no.
Three for three. Well done.
Ah denial is bliss. Good luck with that.
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07 Apr 2006 10:52:59 AM |
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"whome?" <whome@beets.crib.com> wrote
Ah denial is bliss. Good luck with that.
You say denial, I say healthy skepticism. You make up comic book reasons for
things, I rely on empirical data.
I sleep well at night. You pray to imaginary beings.
I'm good, thank you.
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07 Apr 2006 06:24:36 PM |
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Krusty wrote:
"whome?" <whome@beets.crib.com> wrote
Ah denial is bliss. Good luck with that.
You say denial, I say healthy skepticism. You make up comic book reasons for
things, I rely on empirical data.
I sleep well at night. You pray to imaginary beings.
I'm good, thank you.
You are not a skeptic. I'm a skeptic, you are not. You say things such
as "there is no god and something as complex as the universe and life
was created because it just poofed into existence out of nothing so
there" but I, however, am not such a jackass and so do not make such
absolutist statements.
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| User: "Krusty" |
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07 Apr 2006 06:56:36 PM |
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<livingdjinn@yahoo.com> wrote
You are not a skeptic. I'm a skeptic, you are not. You say things such
as "there is no god and something as complex as the universe and life
was created because it just poofed into existence out of nothing so
there" but I, however, am not such a jackass and so do not make such
absolutist statements.
No, I say "I don't believe in God. I don't need to." You just hear whatever
it is that makes you all defensive.
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07 Apr 2006 07:16:30 PM |
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Krusty wrote:
<livingdjinn@yahoo.com> wrote
You are not a skeptic. I'm a skeptic, you are not. You say things such
as "there is no god and something as complex as the universe and life
was created because it just poofed into existence out of nothing so
there" but I, however, am not such a jackass and so do not make such
absolutist statements.
No, I say "I don't believe in God. I don't need to." You just hear whatever
it is that makes you all defensive.
You need to not believe in god.
I don't believe or disbelieve in god. I don't need to believe in god
but unlike you I don't need to deny the existence of god either.
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| User: "Krusty" |
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07 Apr 2006 07:56:04 PM |
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<livingdjinn@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Krusty wrote:
<livingdjinn@yahoo.com> wrote
You are not a skeptic. I'm a skeptic, you are not. You say things such
as "there is no god and something as complex as the universe and life
was created because it just poofed into existence out of nothing so
there" but I, however, am not such a jackass and so do not make such
absolutist statements.
No, I say "I don't believe in God. I don't need to." You just hear
whatever
it is that makes you all defensive.
You need to not believe in god.
I don't believe or disbelieve in god. I don't need to believe in god
but unlike you I don't need to deny the existence of god either.
I don't need to either. But I do.
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| User: "whome?" |
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07 Apr 2006 01:29:40 PM |
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Krusty wrote:
"whome?" <whome@beets.crib.com> wrote
Ah denial is bliss. Good luck with that.
You say denial, I say healthy skepticism. You make up comic book reasons for
things, I rely on empirical data.
I sleep well at night. You pray to imaginary beings.
I'm good, thank you.
I don't pray to anyone at all, but being an agnostic I don't claim to
know for sure anything, not even the complete absence of anything. To
what do you base your belief?
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08 Apr 2006 01:58:01 AM |
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"whome?" <whome@beets.crib.com> wrote in message
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I don't pray to anyone at all, but being an agnostic I don't claim to know
for sure anything, not even the complete absence of anything. To what do
you base your belief?
So I suppose you leave open the possibility for the existence of Santa,
the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, the invisible Jabberwock in your
closet, Siva, Zeus, and Thor.
Atheism is not a belief but an absence of belief. There is a difference
and it's none too subtle. Atheists make no pretenses about the ability
to know or not know as an agnostic does. It's not relevant.
[removed the wrestling and stern newsgroups]
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07 Apr 2006 11:48:56 AM |
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"whome?" <whome@beets.crib.com> wrote in message =
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
"the Bede" <rspwsownthebede@yahoo.com>
"Zadok" <nobler@accesswave.ca> wrote in message
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<livingdjinn> wrote in message
Believing in Jesus isn't nearly as stupid as believing the =
universe
wasn't created by someone or something.
Who created the 'someone' or 'something'??
See the fallacy of your statement??
the whole point is that "the 'someone' or 'something'" doesn't need =
to be
created, since it is supernatural--only natural things do. try to =
keep up.
=20
Natural things do not have to be created either -- look at quantum =
foam.
=20
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-- cary
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The incalculable odds against consciousness or even matter existing=20
apart from energy given the initial conditions indicates something =
more=20
could very well be going on behind the scenes. To outright dismiss =
the=20
possibility is as insane as being a fundie. Atheism also requires=20
faith, which I don't have.
mayhaps you can show me these divine calculations you speak of.
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07 Apr 2006 11:58:20 AM |
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On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:48:56 +0000, Squad wrote:
The incalculable odds against consciousness or even matter existing
apart from energy given the initial conditions indicates something more
could very well be going on behind the scenes. To outright dismiss the
possibility is as insane as being a fundie. Atheism also requires
faith, which I don't have.
mayhaps you can show me these divine calculations you speak of.
No! He said they're incalculable.
Nobody knows what it is, or anything about it - other than it's
responsible for the whole universe's existence. If you don't believe in
that you have real problems.
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07 Apr 2006 01:47:52 PM |
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Squad wrote:
mayhaps you can show me these divine calculations you speak of.
Nothing divine about it, I am NOT a fundie xtian or anything.
CP Symmetry violations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CP_violation
Drake Equation to see how many civilization may be in the Universe,
after the amazingly lucky CP violation that allows matter to exist in
sufficient quantity to coalesce into stars and planets. This of course
offers no insight into the relative intelligence or lack thereof behind
sentient life.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation
I just can't see the amazing complexity and fortunate circumstances of
our existence as definitely totally void of purpose. I can't see proof
of any religion being right either. I just don't know and don't see
how anyone really can at this point.
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| User: "Squad" |
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| Title: Re: Ever read the idiots who say June 6th 2006 is the end of the world? |
07 Apr 2006 01:58:56 PM |
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"whome?" <whome@beets.crib.com> wrote in message =
news:e16c4n$a4v$1@tabloid.unh.edu...
Squad wrote:
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mayhaps you can show me these divine calculations you speak of.
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Nothing divine about it, I am NOT a fundie xtian or anything.
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CP Symmetry violations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CP_violation
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Drake Equation to see how many civilization may be in the Universe,
after the amazingly lucky CP violation that allows matter to exist in=20
sufficient quantity to coalesce into stars and planets. This of =
course=20
offers no insight into the relative intelligence or lack thereof =
behind=20
sentient life.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation
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I just can't see the amazing complexity and fortunate circumstances of =
our existence as definitely totally void of purpose. I can't see =
proof=20
of any religion being right either. I just don't know and don't see=20
how anyone really can at this point.
Drake's equation never really meant much to me as the variables can =
never truly be known and there are extremely different opinions on even =
what ballpark they're in.
CP symmetry/violation, while interesting, doesn't worry me to the =
point I'm willing to go against reason and jump into mysticism. It's =
funny that we find 'violations' of our theories and then get all =
worked-up; it's like we get pissed at Nature for not following the rules =
we wish/make-up and throw-up our hands crying "this is so unexpected and =
unlikely! The Universe isn't conforming to our expectations!"
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| User: "Krusty" |
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| Title: Re: Ever read the idiots who say June 6th 2006 is the end of the world? |
07 Apr 2006 02:06:52 PM |
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"Squad" <Your.Mom's.Hair@Smells.Nice> wrote
It's funny that we find 'violations' of our theories and then get all
worked-up;
it's like we get pissed at Nature for not following the rules we
wish/make-up
and throw-up our hands crying "this is so unexpected and unlikely!
The Universe isn't conforming to our expectations!"
Oh, that doesn't bother me nearly as much as the people who get pissed,
throw their hands up, then just MAKE UP reasons why it isn't conforming.
"this is so unexpected and unlikely! The Universe isn't conforming to our
expectations! This is *obviously* the work of a giant man with a white
beard!"
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Ever read the idiots who say June 6th 2006 is the end of the world? |
07 Apr 2006 10:58:57 AM |
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In article <e15sid$686$1@tabloid.unh.edu> whome? <whome@beets.crib.com> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
"the Bede" <rspwsownthebede@yahoo.com>
"Zadok" <nobler@accesswave.ca> wrote in message
news:T_gZf.42846$%H.19658@clgrps13...
<livingdjinn> wrote in message
Believing in Jesus isn't nearly as stupid as believing the universe
wasn't created by someone or something.
Who created the 'someone' or 'something'??
See the fallacy of your statement??
the whole point is that "the 'someone' or 'something'" doesn't need to be
created, since it is supernatural--only natural things do. try to keep up.
Natural things do not have to be created either -- look at quantum foam.
-- cary
The incalculable odds against consciousness or even matter existing
apart from energy given the initial conditions indicates something more
could very well be going on behind the scenes. To outright dismiss the
possibility is as insane as being a fundie. Atheism also requires
faith, which I don't have.
Hmmmm? Why would "matter existing apart from energy given the initial
conditions" be unlikely?
-- cary
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| User: "Krusty" |
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| Title: Re: Ever read the idiots who say June 6th 2006 is the end of the world? |
07 Apr 2006 12:17:53 PM |
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"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote...
whome? <whome@beets.crib.com> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
"the Bede" <rspwsownthebede@yahoo.com>
"Zadok" <nobler@accesswave.ca> wrote...
<livingdjinn> wrote in message
Believing in Jesus isn't nearly as stupid as believing the universe
wasn't created by someone or something.
Who created the 'someone' or 'something'??
See the fallacy of your statement??
the whole point is that "the 'someone' or 'something'" doesn't need to
be
created, since it is supernatural--only natural things do. try to
keep up.
Natural things do not have to be created either -- look at quantum
foam.
The incalculable odds against consciousness or even matter existing
apart from energy given the initial conditions indicates something more
could very well be going on behind the scenes. To outright dismiss the
possibility is as insane as being a fundie. Atheism also requires
faith, which I don't have.
Hmmmm? Why would "matter existing apart from energy given the initial
conditions" be unlikely?
Because it requires going to school to learn things...and that's just too
damn hard for some folks. You know...math and all that.
Why study when you can just make things up?
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