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25 Nov 2007 08:14:02 PM |
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On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:17:20 +0000, Bill M wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:5qu42iF11vcogU1@mid.individual.net...
"Woody Brison" <woody.brison@gmail.com> wrote
I hope you didn't expect me to read that long-winded *****.
Got evidence your god exists? Then present it.
Like all other religious nuts, he doesn't have any!
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
I'm not sure why Woody posted to alt.atheism. This group is almost
uniformly uncivilized and behaves just like a religion.
The problem is not with atheists; it is with alt.atheism. WHY would a
group of people congregate to discuss something they believe does not
exist? It is irrational to a degree that exceeds the most far-out
religious believer.
The religious believer is at least believing *in* something. You believe
in NOT something. That's your "glue", reason for existing.
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| User: "þus cwæð þus" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence for the Existence of God |
25 Nov 2007 09:15:13 PM |
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"Michael" <newsuser2@orneveien.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.11.26.02.13.59.617145@
I'm not sure why Woody posted to alt.atheism. This group is almost
uniformly uncivilized and behaves just like a religion.
The problem is not with atheists; it is with alt.atheism. WHY would a
group of people congregate to discuss something they believe does not
exist? It is irrational to a degree that exceeds the most far-out
religious believer.
The religious believer is at least believing *in* something. You believe
in NOT something. That's your "glue", reason for existing.
What a nasty little ***** you are. If you had the slightest 'civilization'
yourself you'd respect our desire to hang out quietly in a place where
everyone's atheism is taken for granted, and where we could talk about
whatever we wanted without credulous morons messing things up like they do
in everyday life. But instead of leaving us alone, you and thousands of
idiots like you can't resist dragging your nasty slug-trail of arrogant
stupidity through the group, determined to annoy us.
M.
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| User: "Michael" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence for the Existence of God |
30 Nov 2007 05:24:28 PM |
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On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:15:13 +0000, þus cwæð wrote:
What a nasty little ***** you are. ... you and thousands of
idiots like you can't resist dragging your nasty slug-trail of arrogant
stupidity through the group, determined to annoy us.
Another one bites the dust...
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| User: "thomas p." |
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| Title: Re: Evidence for the Existence of God |
01 Dec 2007 01:57:53 AM |
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"Michael" <newsuser2@orneveien.org> skrev i en meddelelse
news:pan.2007.11.30.23.24.26.648666@orneveien.org...
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:15:13 +0000, þus cwæð wrote:
What a nasty little ***** you are. ... you and thousands of
idiots like you can't resist dragging your nasty slug-trail of arrogant
stupidity through the group, determined to annoy us.
Another one bites the dust...
Is the above another unsupported belief you have?
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| User: "Michael" |
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02 Dec 2007 12:18:08 AM |
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On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 08:57:53 +0100, thomas p. wrote:
Another one bites the dust...
Is the above another unsupported belief you have?
I do not understand your question.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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01 Dec 2007 03:19:14 AM |
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On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 08:57:53 +0100, "thomas p." <gudloos@yahoo.com>
wrote:
"Michael" <newsuser2@orneveien.org> skrev i en meddelelse
news:pan.2007.11.30.23.24.26.648666@orneveien.org...
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:15:13 +0000, ??wrote:
What a nasty little ***** you are. ... you and thousands of
idiots like you can't resist dragging your nasty slug-trail of arrogant
stupidity through the group, determined to annoy us.
Another one bites the dust...
Is the above another unsupported belief you have?
Its all just part of the loving Christian nasty wishful gloating.
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| User: "JessHC" |
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01 Dec 2007 06:12:36 AM |
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thomas p. wrote:
"Michael" <newsuser2@orneveien.org> skrev i en meddelelse
news:pan.2007.11.30.23.24.26.648666@orneveien.org...
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:15:13 +0000, =EF=BF=BDus cw=EF=BF=BD=EF=BF=BD wro=
te:
What a nasty little ***** you are. ... you and thousands of
idiots like you can't resist dragging your nasty slug-trail of arrogant=
stupidity through the group, determined to annoy us.
Another one bites the dust...
Is the above another unsupported belief you have?
You're probably aware, but Michael likes to lie about virtually
everything, and when anyone uses certain words in response to his
dishonesty, he runs away. With any luck, everyone will use one of the
words on his list, and then he'll have nobody to lie to. I'm
surprised people are being as polite to him as they are.
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| User: "Citizen Jimserac" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence for the Existence of God |
01 Dec 2007 07:38:40 AM |
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On Dec 1, 7:12 am, JessHC <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
thomas p. wrote:
"Michael" <newsus...@orneveien.org> skrev i en meddelelse
news:pan.2007.11.30.23.24.26.648666@orneveien.org...
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:15:13 +0000, =EF=BF=BDus cw=EF=BF=BD=EF=BF=BD w=
rote:
What a nasty little ***** you are. ... you and thousands of
idiots like you can't resist dragging your nasty slug-trail of arroga=
nt
stupidity through the group, determined to annoy us.
Another one bites the dust...
Is the above another unsupported belief you have?
You're probably aware, but Michael likes to lie about virtually
everything, and when anyone uses certain words in response to his
dishonesty, he runs away. With any luck, everyone will use one of the
words on his list, and then he'll have nobody to lie to. I'm
surprised people are being as polite to him as they are.
Michael's post are not about rational discussion but
involve hysteria, insults and innuendo - prime qualifications
for a troll. The correct response is NO response
to idiots like this.
What are these words I can use to repel this poor braindead slug who
reads some Ben Goldacre and thinks he's a scientific genius?
Citizen Jimserac
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| User: "Michael" |
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02 Dec 2007 12:25:23 AM |
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On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 05:38:40 -0800, Citizen Jimserac wrote:
With any luck, everyone will use one of the
words on his list, and then he'll have nobody to lie to.
That is not how the killfile or similar mechanism works.
See, I will add you to the list and you will disappear from my screen, but
I will still be on yours (until you do likewise of course).
I enjoy conversing with some of the people here. The rest contribute to
the noise and make it difficult to find the continuation of the
conversation, so I make them disappear. Usually it is not intended to be
a personal affront; you doubtless will continue doing what you do, but I
won't see it. We will be both happier as a result.
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| User: "JessHC" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence for the Existence of God |
02 Dec 2007 07:39:17 AM |
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Michael wrote:
On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 05:38:40 -0800, Citizen Jimserac wrote:
With any luck, everyone will use one of the
words on his list, and then he'll have nobody to lie to.
That is not how the killfile or similar mechanism works.
See, I will add you to the list and you will disappear from my screen, but
I will still be on yours (until you do likewise of course).
I enjoy conversing with some of the people here. The rest contribute to
the noise and make it difficult to find the continuation of the
conversation, so I make them disappear. Usually it is not intended to be
a personal affront; you doubtless will continue doing what you do, but I
won't see it. We will be both happier as a result.
Apparently, you're either lying or being stupid again, Michael. You
said you were ignoring me, but those are MY words, not Citizen
Jimserac's.
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence for the Existence of God |
02 Dec 2007 09:17:33 AM |
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On Dec 2, 5:39 am, JessHC <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
Michael wrote:
On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 05:38:40 -0800, Citizen Jimserac wrote:
With any luck, everyone will use one of the
words on his list, and then he'll have nobody to lie to.
That is not how the killfile or similar mechanism works.
See, I will add you to the list and you will disappear from my screen, but
I will still be on yours (until you do likewise of course).
I enjoy conversing with some of the people here. The rest contribute to
the noise and make it difficult to find the continuation of the
conversation, so I make them disappear. Usually it is not intended to be
a personal affront; you doubtless will continue doing what you do, but I
won't see it. We will be both happier as a result.
Apparently, you're either lying or being stupid again, Michael.
Or?
You
said you were ignoring me, but those are MY words, not Citizen
Jimserac's.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
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| User: "JessHC" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence for the Existence of God |
02 Dec 2007 11:40:21 AM |
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Neil Kelsey wrote:
On Dec 2, 5:39 am, JessHC <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
Michael wrote:
On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 05:38:40 -0800, Citizen Jimserac wrote:
With any luck, everyone will use one of the
words on his list, and then he'll have nobody to lie to.
That is not how the killfile or similar mechanism works.
See, I will add you to the list and you will disappear from my screen, but
I will still be on yours (until you do likewise of course).
I enjoy conversing with some of the people here. The rest contribute to
the noise and make it difficult to find the continuation of the
conversation, so I make them disappear. Usually it is not intended to be
a personal affront; you doubtless will continue doing what you do, but I
won't see it. We will be both happier as a result.
Apparently, you're either lying or being stupid again, Michael.
Or?
Fair point.
You
said you were ignoring me, but those are MY words, not Citizen
Jimserac's.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence for the Existence of God |
02 Dec 2007 10:00:08 AM |
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On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 23:25:23 -0700, Michael <newsuser2@orneveien.org>
wrote:
On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 05:38:40 -0800, Citizen Jimserac wrote:
With any luck, everyone will use one of the
words on his list, and then he'll have nobody to lie to.
That is not how the killfile or similar mechanism works.
See, I will add you to the list and you will disappear from my screen, but
I will still be on yours (until you do likewise of course).
Yes, and no.
You will still see us, if you read anyone who replies to us.
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| User: "Tokay Pino Gris" |
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25 Nov 2007 11:20:34 PM |
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Michael wrote:
On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:17:20 +0000, Bill M wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:5qu42iF11vcogU1@mid.individual.net...
"Woody Brison" <woody.brison@gmail.com> wrote
I hope you didn't expect me to read that long-winded *****.
Got evidence your god exists? Then present it.
Like all other religious nuts, he doesn't have any!
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
I'm not sure why Woody posted to alt.atheism. This group is almost
uniformly uncivilized and behaves just like a religion.
The problem is not with atheists; it is with alt.atheism. WHY would a
group of people congregate to discuss something they believe does not
exist? It is irrational to a degree that exceeds the most far-out
religious believer.
The religious believer is at least believing *in* something. You believe
in NOT something.
Wrong. We LACK believe. Although it could be said that also those that
actually believe in NOT are atheists, this is not the usual netizen in
alt.atheism. There are some, however.
That's your "glue", reason for existing.
Nope. I have LOTS of other reasons. This isn't even one of them.
Tokay
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"I either want less corruption, or more chance to participate in it."
Ashleigh Brilliant
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| User: "Kate " |
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26 Nov 2007 12:44:02 AM |
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On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:14:02 -0700, Michael <newsuser2@orneveien.org>
wrote:
On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:17:20 +0000, Bill M wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:5qu42iF11vcogU1@mid.individual.net...
"Woody Brison" <woody.brison@gmail.com> wrote
I hope you didn't expect me to read that long-winded *****.
Got evidence your god exists? Then present it.
Like all other religious nuts, he doesn't have any!
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
I'm not sure why Woody posted to alt.atheism. This group is almost
uniformly uncivilized and behaves just like a religion.
The problem is not with atheists; it is with alt.atheism. WHY would a
group of people congregate to discuss something they believe does not
exist? It is irrational to a degree that exceeds the most far-out
religious believer.
I've never seen this newsgroup 'discuss' something that we as a group
don't believe exists.
What we do is pretty much tell the troll theists that keep trying to
convert us that we don't believe them and we discuss belief, ethics
and politics.
We don't bother to discuss the different aspects of gods. Please
point out where you think we have.
Although the fact that you think a lot of things exist that don't,
doesn't bode well for your credibility.
The religious believer is at least believing *in* something. You believe
in NOT something. That's your "glue", reason for existing.
Believing 'in' something is lying to yourself to make yourself feel
good.
Knock yourself out, but don't expect us to cheer you on.
Oh, and I don't need to 'believe' in anything to have a reason to
exist. Existing seems to happen no matter what I believe. Reality is
like that.
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| User: "Michael" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence for the Existence of God |
30 Nov 2007 05:03:18 PM |
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On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:44:02 -0600, Kate wrote:
I've never seen this newsgroup 'discuss' something that we as a group
don't believe exists.
What we do is pretty much tell the troll theists that keep trying to
convert us that we don't believe them and we discuss belief, ethics
and politics.
There are 2.6 million messages on my ISP's news server in alt.atheism.
What DO you discuss, if not a thing you believe does not exist?
For the short time I have dabbled in here, the discussion has been *only*
about God, although I try to diverge it a bit with science fiction and
some short stories about snakes and trains.
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| User: "thomas p." |
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| Title: Re: Evidence for the Existence of God |
01 Dec 2007 01:44:26 AM |
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"Michael" <newsuser2@orneveien.org> skrev i en meddelelse
news:pan.2007.11.30.23.03.17.26221@orneveien.org...
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:44:02 -0600, Kate wrote:
I've never seen this newsgroup 'discuss' something that we as a group
don't believe exists.
What we do is pretty much tell the troll theists that keep trying to
convert us that we don't believe them and we discuss belief, ethics
and politics.
There are 2.6 million messages on my ISP's news server in alt.atheism.
What DO you discuss, if not a thing you believe does not exist?
For the short time I have dabbled in here, the discussion has been *only*
about God, although I try to diverge it a bit with science fiction and
some short stories about snakes and trains.
You are talking about god. We are talking about your belief in a god.
Furthermore this thread is not the only discussion going on in alt.atheism.
You have been told what we discuss. You check the other threads and see for
yourself. However you will probably continue to misrepresent and to evade.
After all what else do you have?
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| User: "Michael" |
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02 Dec 2007 12:38:31 AM |
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On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 08:44:26 +0100, thomas p. wrote:
You are talking about god. We are talking about your belief in a god.
Furthermore this thread is not the only discussion going on in alt.atheism.
You have been told what we discuss. You check the other threads and see for
yourself. However you will probably continue to misrepresent and to evade.
After all what else do you have?
There is no "we". These conversations are highly diverse and each
conversation is about a different thing. Only two of you seem to be
discussing my belief in a god. A few more are "dissing" my belief in a
god. Others are demanding "objective, verifiable evidence" of a god,
which has nothing whatever to do with "my belief" or their own for that
matter.
As to what else I have; quite a lot. We could go into topics of digital
photography, travel, SCUBA diving, music, books and a bunch of things I am
not thinking of right now.
alt.atheism is far bigger than I had supposed so it is not really a very
good place to discuss things other than the non-existence of God.
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| User: "thomas p." |
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02 Dec 2007 01:38:12 AM |
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"Michael" <newsuser2@orneveien.org> skrev i en meddelelse
news:pan.2007.12.02.06.38.28.903933@orneveien.org...
On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 08:44:26 +0100, thomas p. wrote:
You are talking about god. We are talking about your belief in a god.
Furthermore this thread is not the only discussion going on in
alt.atheism.
You have been told what we discuss. You check the other threads and see
for
yourself. However you will probably continue to misrepresent and to
evade.
After all what else do you have?
There is no "we".
More nonsense.
These conversations are highly diverse and each
conversation is about a different thing. Only two of you seem to be
discussing my belief in a god. A few more are "dissing" my belief in a
god. Others are demanding "objective, verifiable evidence" of a god,
which has nothing whatever to do with "my belief" or their own for that
matter.
As to what else I have; quite a lot. We could go into topics of digital
photography, travel, SCUBA diving, music, books and a bunch of things I am
not thinking of right now.
alt.atheism is far bigger than I had supposed so it is not really a very
good place to discuss things other than the non-existence of God.
Thank you for confirming my evaluation above. You are either a troll or a
lunatic, and it really makes no difference.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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02 Dec 2007 01:53:57 AM |
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On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 08:38:12 +0100, "thomas p." <gudloos@yahoo.com>
wrote:
"Michael" <newsuser2@orneveien.org> skrev i en meddelelse
news:pan.2007.12.02.06.38.28.903933@orneveien.org...
On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 08:44:26 +0100, thomas p. wrote:
You are talking about god. We are talking about your belief in a god.
Furthermore this thread is not the only discussion going on in
alt.atheism.
You have been told what we discuss. You check the other threads and see
for
yourself. However you will probably continue to misrepresent and to
evade.
After all what else do you have?
There is no "we".
More nonsense.
These conversations are highly diverse and each
conversation is about a different thing. Only two of you seem to be
discussing my belief in a god. A few more are "dissing" my belief in a
god. Others are demanding "objective, verifiable evidence" of a god,
which has nothing whatever to do with "my belief" or their own for that
matter.
As to what else I have; quite a lot. We could go into topics of digital
photography, travel, SCUBA diving, music, books and a bunch of things I am
not thinking of right now.
alt.atheism is far bigger than I had supposed so it is not really a very
good place to discuss things other than the non-existence of God.
Thank you for confirming my evaluation above. You are either a troll or a
lunatic, and it really makes no difference.
It you a long time to come to that obvious conclusion.
He is a vicious, willfully ignorant fraud.
Who will lie his head off of it will serve his infantile delusions.
That much has been obvious from the outset.
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence for the Existence of God |
01 Dec 2007 04:18:34 PM |
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On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:03:18 -0700, Michael <newsuser2@orneveien.org>
wrote:
There are 2.6 million messages on my ISP's news server in alt.atheism.
What DO you discuss, if not a thing you believe does not exist?
So why don't you read through them all, and find out, first hand?
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| User: "thomas p." |
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02 Dec 2007 01:38:56 AM |
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"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> skrev i en meddelelse
news:ejn3l3deghh9b95f5jj2s830obt3n9sm19@4ax.com...
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:03:18 -0700, Michael <newsuser2@orneveien.org>
wrote:
There are 2.6 million messages on my ISP's news server in alt.atheism.
What DO you discuss, if not a thing you believe does not exist?
So why don't you read through them all, and find out, first hand?
It would be a good idea if he did not come back until he has done so.
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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02 Dec 2007 10:31:48 AM |
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On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 08:38:56 +0100, "thomas p." <gudloos@yahoo.com>
wrote:
"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> skrev i en meddelelse
news:ejn3l3deghh9b95f5jj2s830obt3n9sm19@4ax.com...
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:03:18 -0700, Michael <newsuser2@orneveien.org>
wrote:
There are 2.6 million messages on my ISP's news server in alt.atheism.
What DO you discuss, if not a thing you believe does not exist?
So why don't you read through them all, and find out, first hand?
It would be a good idea if he did not come back until he has done so.
I am ever hopeful.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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01 Dec 2007 04:30:49 PM |
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On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 22:18:34 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey>
wrote:
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:03:18 -0700, Michael <newsuser2@orneveien.org>
wrote:
There are 2.6 million messages on my ISP's news server in alt.atheism.
What DO you discuss, if not a thing you believe does not exist?
So why don't you read through them all, and find out, first hand?
He cannot read for comprehension to save his life.
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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02 Dec 2007 08:57:51 AM |
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On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 09:00:49 +1030, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 22:18:34 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey>
wrote:
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:03:18 -0700, Michael <newsuser2@orneveien.org>
wrote:
There are 2.6 million messages on my ISP's news server in alt.atheism.
What DO you discuss, if not a thing you believe does not exist?
So why don't you read through them all, and find out, first hand?
He cannot read for comprehension to save his life.
Perhaps not, but reading them, would keep him busy for a while.
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| User: "Michael" |
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30 Nov 2007 05:08:12 PM |
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On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:44:02 -0600, Kate wrote:
Believing 'in' something is lying to yourself to make yourself feel
good.
Knock yourself out, but don't expect us to cheer you on.
Well, as you can see, eight people responded and those are just the ones
that I do not have blocked. Given the nature of this group, yes, I would
call it cheering me on in a curiously inverted, anti sort of way; kind of
like making a group whose purpose is to not believe in something.
It is possible we use the word "believe" in different ways. I do not see
any connection between "believe" and "lying to yourself." IN the context
we have here, believe pertains to a conclusion that is based in, or
supported by, evidence you possess. Believe is slightly less committed
than "know" which requires conclusive evidence (that is, evidence that
narrows the possible causes to exactly one). "Believe" is as good as it
gets most of the time for most people about most things.
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| User: "thomas p." |
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| Title: Re: Evidence for the Existence of God |
01 Dec 2007 01:47:33 AM |
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"Michael" <newsuser2@orneveien.org> skrev i en meddelelse
news:pan.2007.11.30.23.08.09.329889@orneveien.org...
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:44:02 -0600, Kate wrote:
Believing 'in' something is lying to yourself to make yourself feel
good.
Knock yourself out, but don't expect us to cheer you on.
Well, as you can see, eight people responded and those are just the ones
that I do not have blocked. Given the nature of this group, yes, I would
call it cheering me on in a curiously inverted, anti sort of way; kind of
like making a group whose purpose is to not believe in something.
Still lying I see. Isn't that supposed to be a sin?
It is possible we use the word "believe" in different ways. I do not see
any connection between "believe" and "lying to yourself." IN the context
we have here, believe pertains to a conclusion that is based in, or
supported by, evidence you possess. Believe is slightly less committed
than "know" which requires conclusive evidence (that is, evidence that
narrows the possible causes to exactly one). "Believe" is as good as it
gets most of the time for most people about most things.
And the word games continue. You are delibrately trying to equate proof
(not available for anything in the real world) with evidence, and, as if
that were not enough, you also try to equate evidence with subjective
experience.
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| Title: Re: Evidence for the Existence of God |
02 Dec 2007 12:34:31 AM |
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On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 08:47:33 +0100, thomas p. wrote:
And the word games continue. You are delibrately trying to equate proof
(not available for anything in the real world) with evidence, and, as if
that were not enough, you also try to equate evidence with subjective
experience.
No, some atheists seem to equate proof with evidence, I do not. I do
equate evidence with subjective experience, for to the person who
experienced it, it is a fact and it is evidence.
When I started this, I did not possess the nuances of meanings that you
use, also, it is now *three* categories of thing: proof, evidence, and
subjective experience.
So you see, you need not look very far at all to see who is really dancing
the dance of word meanings.
But that's okay, I'll add "subjective experience" to the mix and
acknowledge that some of my previous messages I used "evidence" where you
would have preferred me to use "subjective experience."
However, I suggest this is a meaningless distinction to the observer; he
or she must necessarily consider all experiences "subjective" since it is
the subject (the person) that is experiencing a thing, and the thing is
evidence, and so is the experience itself.
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| Title: Re: Evidence for the Existence of God |
02 Dec 2007 01:41:02 AM |
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"Michael" <newsuser2@orneveien.org> skrev i en meddelelse
news:pan.2007.12.02.06.34.29.30731@orneveien.org...
On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 08:47:33 +0100, thomas p. wrote:
And the word games continue. You are delibrately trying to equate proof
(not available for anything in the real world) with evidence, and, as if
that were not enough, you also try to equate evidence with subjective
experience.
No, some atheists seem to equate proof with evidence, I do not. I do
equate evidence with subjective experience, for to the person who
experienced it, it is a fact and it is evidence.
When I started this, I did not possess the nuances of meanings that you
use, also, it is now *three* categories of thing: proof, evidence, and
subjective experience.
So you see, you need not look very far at all to see who is really dancing
the dance of word meanings.
But that's okay, I'll add "subjective experience" to the mix and
acknowledge that some of my previous messages I used "evidence" where you
would have preferred me to use "subjective experience."
However, I suggest this is a meaningless distinction to the observer; he
or she must necessarily consider all experiences "subjective" since it is
the subject (the person) that is experiencing a thing, and the thing is
evidence, and so is the experience itself.
Plonk
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