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"Chris" |
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01 Apr 2004 10:22:44 AM |
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Re: Evidence of God |
(Bob Crowley) wrote in message news:<adff117.0403300211.6bc454e7@posting.google.com>...
christopher.kerr-hunter@ntlworld.com (Chris) wrote in message news:<75aa3b23.0403281102.6ae1e8e0@posting.google.com>...
Bob
In reply to your points: At age 12... Do you not know it is YOUR
Fathers house also.
The Good News is... Those that the sons of God set free are free
IN-DEED.
Demons, Had a few, I was a slave to them, Then came the WORD " You
are no longer slaves, Servants. But my companions, and if you BELIEVE
greater things will you do.
As for being kicked in the shins, This actually happen to me on an
out-reach,
I was kicked so hard by a young lady, that it drew blood. I don't know
how, but I manage to say thank you, not once but three times. The
result she saw in me what I hoped for in me the Love of God. From
this broken down girl, blossomed the flower she was intended to be,
Praise, The Word of God.
People excluded people all the time; Please read previous thread.
My Mother and brothers: We are all the same Family once we believe in
God
The God of all No Exclusions every body... ONENESS.
He Rebuked the wind: Tried it a couple of times ( Golf ) very little
sucess
Old wine I guess :-)
The Son of man must be raised: To teach us there is no Death, That
God can reach beyond our understanding of death and reach us... I AM
IS ALL THAT I AM.
Christ is my spiritual Friend as he ask me to be, He doesn't need
defending.
Maybe I am wrong in believing that there is no Heaven and Hell. when I
did it did not serve me, To my mind, as I said in a previous thread,
How can a God who is LOVE condemn His/Her Creation... Chris
I don't have a problem with your sincerity. I suppose you've heard
about the Golf game between Moses, Jesus and an old bloke with a long
beard. Moses tees off, the ball rolls into a pond. He holds out his
club, the water divides and he hits it out of the pond. His second
shot hits a rock, and falls down in a hole. But the rock splits and a
spring comes out, and washes the ball onto the green. He putts it
into the hole and gets a triple.
Jesus hits. The ball also goes into the pond. He holds out his club,
and the ball comes up, and the water forms a tee under it. He hits
again and gets a birdie.
Then the old bloke hits. It is a woeful shot, a real splice and it
goes into thick undergrowth. But just then a wallaby comes along and
the ball bounces into his pocket. He bounds out of the undergrowth
and trips over. The ball rolls out of his pouch and a kookaburra
picks it up. He flies off with it and drops it into the gutter of the
clubhouse. But just then a sudden rainstorm hits,and the ball washes
over the side of the gutter, only to be grabbed by a dingo, who heads
towards the green. But he is distracted at the last minute by a
rabbit and drops the ball to give chase. The ball starts to roll away
from the hole, until a carpet snake slithers onto the green and gives
the ball a nudge with his tail, and the ball rolls into the hole.
So the old bloke gets a hole in one.
Moses is furious, picks up his ten clubs and hurls them onto the
ground, where they all break into two. He turns to Jesus and says
"Right, that's it then. That's the last time we play with your
Father!".
*************
Christ may be your spiritual friend, but I had a peculiar experience
on the night of my father's death, and I can assure you Judgement
exists. At Fatima the three children claimed they were given a very
brief glimpse of hell and it terrified them, even though it only
lasted a second or two.
A description was written by the sole survivor of the trio. The other
two were dead within 2 years of the vision, no doubt as the devil
thought they were best silenced.
I don't know how one juxtaposes a God of Love with a God of Wrath.
But somehow it is the truth.
Bob Crowley.
Bob
In My Kingdom there are many Mansions
This is an analogy;
The force field that is your soul becomes thin and expanded the
farther it extends from its localised source, but it never disappears
completely, nor ceases to be. Instead, it mixes and merges with other
force fields, forming other localised concentrations and creating a
complex, interweaving pattern extending infinitely.
We are an energy that never ends, in time or space.
Then there is no individual soul, and every soul is just one soul,
locally and individually expressed!
And that is what traditional, exclusivist religions do not teach.
If organised religions taught this truth, they could never also teach
that any one person is better than another, or that any one soul is
more pleasing to God than another, or that anyone path is the only
path to Divinity.
They could never teach that some souls go to heaven, while others are
condemned to hell.
It is the teaching of their separatist philosophies and their
exclusivist theologies that make some organised religions not merely
inaccurate, but dangerous.
Understanding this can present a new point of view, one that is not
exclusivist, not elitist or separatist. It can invite people to open
their minds to larger concepts than present theologies embrace, and to
greater opportunities for individual experience and expression than
present theologies allow.
Such as the idea that there is, in fact, only one force field. That
there is only one energy.
That this is the Energy of Life itself, and that it is this Energy
that some people call God.
It is the All in All, the Alpha and the Omega, the great I Am, which
has been described in much of our sacred literature.
You are this energy, and this energy is you, and there is no
separation between you. You are one with everything and everything is
one with you, for everything is comprised of this energy. This means
that you are one with everyone else in the world, not in the
theoretical sense, but in a very literal and specific sense.
There is no one, no human being anywhere, of whom you are not a part –
an intrinsic and intimate part.
What this means in practical terms is that what is good for another is
good for you, and that what is not good for another is not good for
you. It means that what you do for another, you do for you, and what
you fail to do for another, you fail to do for you
..
Not only do our biggest, most powerful organised religions teach us
that we are separate from each other, they also teach that we are not
worthy of God. They teach that we are shameful, guilty creatures: that
we were born in sin and do not deserve to be the dust under Gods feet.
They rob us of our self-esteem.
They teach us not to be proud of ourselves and of our talents and
accomplishments.
The glory of us is not to be contemplated or announced, but only our
sinful nature.
We are not to go to God smiling, but begging for mercy for our
countless transgressions.
Yet people who are robbed of self-esteem rob others of theirs. People
who do not love themselves cannot love others. People who see
themselves as unworthy see others as unworthy.
The core message of most organised religions is not joy, innocence,
and self celebration, but fear, guilt, and self-denial.
Rev. Robert H Schuller, said "Theologians must have their
international, universal, transcreedal, transcultural, transracial
standard."
I suggest that such an international, universal, transcreedal,
transcultural, transracial standard for theology is the statement: "We
Are All One. Ours is not a better way, ours is merely another way."
Do not let another moment go by in which you have an opportunity to
tell someone how magnificent they are. Do not let an opportunity pass
in which you may offer praise. Give people the gift of self-esteem,
and you will have given them a gift that many cannot find away to give
themselves. Yet when they find themselves though you, and return to
their own glorious vision and their own grandest idea of who they
really are, they are lost no more, for you have returned them to
themselves.
Once they were lost, but now they are found.
To change people's behaviour, change people's ideas about them selves.
Change their beliefs about life and about God.
If you think you were born into sin, are a sinner now. And will be a
sinner always, how are you most likely to act? Yet if you believe that
you are one with God, that you walk instep with the Divine, how, then,
will you behave?
I tell you this: You are an angel.
You are the angel for whom someone is waiting today.
Now you have a choice between beliefs. I say you are an angel.
Religion says you are but a lowly, grovelling sinner.
Which belief do you think better serves you? Which do you think better
serves human kind
Its good to talk to you thank you...Chris
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| User: "Bob Crowley" |
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05 Apr 2004 06:46:38 AM |
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(Chris) wrote in message news:<75aa3b23.0404010822.23c97f2b@posting.google.com>...
Bob
In My Kingdom there are many Mansions
This is an analogy;
The force field that is your soul becomes thin and expanded the
farther it extends from its localised source, but it never disappears
completely, nor ceases to be. Instead, it mixes and merges with other
force fields, forming other localised concentrations and creating a
complex, interweaving pattern extending infinitely.
We are an energy that never ends, in time or space.
Then there is no individual soul, and every soul is just one soul,
locally and individually expressed!
This sounds more to me like Buddhism or Hinduism, with all due
respect. However I have no doubt these traditions have something to
teach heavily independent Western style Christianity. While I would
have some doubt about there being only one soul, I admit all souls
derive from the Main Soul, namely God. Hence there would be a
commonality between our souls and His. However He has given us
"independent" existences to see if we will want to become close
partners, or hostile enemies.
Quite a number of us prefer to be hostile enemies. Even spiritual
beings, who can see Him directly, often prefer to do the same, despite
the fact they owe their existence and powers, great or small, to Him.
This of course includes the devil, whose formidable powers are all a
gift from God, and not of his own making in the least. All he has
done is to misuse them, for selfish and cruel purposes.
I say "independent" for humans since we still depend on all the things
He has made - sun, air, water, the earth, ecosystem, plants, animals,
minerals, consistent physical laws etc. etc.
And that is what traditional, exclusivist religions do not teach.
If organised religions taught this truth, they could never also teach
that any one person is better than another, or that any one soul is
more pleasing to God than another, or that anyone path is the only
path to Divinity.
Sorry, but Christ made the distinct claim "No man goes to the Father
but through Me." That's a strange claim for a man to make. He then
went on to say He is often most powerfully found in the weak and
powerless, and that we treat Him in the way we treat them.
Thus when we despise refugees, or the poor, or the disabled, or the
widow, or orphans, or the sick, we despise Him, directly, since He is
in them.
They could never teach that some souls go to heaven, while others are
condemned to hell.
Christ taught it.
It is the teaching of their separatist philosophies and their
exclusivist theologies that make some organised religions not merely
inaccurate, but dangerous.
Truth, even if it is unpleasant, is still Truth. If a man is a
habitual thief for example, it is no good telling him you believe he
is honest. He will give you thanks and as soon as your back is
turned, relieve you of your wallet. An old pastor I knew used to
wonder if there was salvation for conmen. He had been a prison pastor
for a spell, and he said they told so many lies he wondered if they
could tell the truth themselves after a while. It was his experience
to have inmates almost sell him the shoes off his own feet, sitting in
his own office.
If a man is a thief, it is better you say so, and then say that he can
be a completely new creature in Christ, if he WANTS to be. But to say
he is sin free is a delusion.
Understanding this can present a new point of view, one that is not
exclusivist, not elitist or separatist. It can invite people to open
their minds to larger concepts than present theologies embrace, and to
greater opportunities for individual experience and expression than
present theologies allow.
Such as the idea that there is, in fact, only one force field. That
there is only one energy.
That this is the Energy of Life itself, and that it is this Energy
that some people call God.
In some ways the charismatic movement in Christian circles seeks this
oneness with God. However we remain distinct and personal entities.
It is the All in All, the Alpha and the Omega, the great I Am, which
has been described in much of our sacred literature.
You are this energy, and this energy is you, and there is no
separation between you. You are one with everything and everything is
one with you, for everything is comprised of this energy. This means
that you are one with everyone else in the world, not in the
theoretical sense, but in a very literal and specific sense.
We are all made in God's image, and all contain an element of Him. So
in a way,when He has to condemn a man for example, He has to condemn a
bit of Himself, since the original spirit proceeds from Him, and
always has.
There is no one, no human being anywhere, of whom you are not a part ?
an intrinsic and intimate part.
What this means in practical terms is that what is good for another is
good for you, and that what is not good for another is not good for
you. It means that what you do for another, you do for you, and what
you fail to do for another, you fail to do for you
.
Not only do our biggest, most powerful organised religions teach us
that we are separate from each other, they also teach that we are not
worthy of God. They teach that we are shameful, guilty creatures: that
we were born in sin and do not deserve to be the dust under Gods feet.
They rob us of our self-esteem.
I admit that there is too much emphasis on "sinfulness" at times, and
this varies from denomination to denomination, and also from
individual to individual. However there can be a wishy washy
hopefulness about human nature which I believe is not justified. We
are capable of good things eg. a man sacrificing himself for others,
but we are also capable of evil things, as history makes clear. In
fact we become so used to the evil things, that when we read of a war
in history for example, we accept the glib explanation of "a conflict
of interests" when in fact it is large scale slaughter, usually at the
behest of a relatively small number of individuals.
We are so used to "sin" and live so closely with it, that we often
cannot see it for what it is.
They teach us not to be proud of ourselves and of our talents and
accomplishments.
The reason for this is that all our talents are GIVEN to us. You may
as well be proud of the colour of your eyes, whereas you had nothing
to do with it. And even our position in society, we are going to
find, is more of a "gift" than we think. Sometimes the "gift" has
been bestowed by the Enemy of Souls, in order to use us for his
purposes.
The glory of us is not to be contemplated or announced, but only our
sinful nature.
The crux of Christianity is that Christ came to give us Life more
abundant. We can only do that by letting go of this life, so to
speak. We don't see a lot of evidence of that glorified estate now,
to be sure, but the beginning is when we "let go".
We are not to go to God smiling, but begging for mercy for our
countless transgressions.
Yet people who are robbed of self-esteem rob others of theirs. People
who do not love themselves cannot love others. People who see
themselves as unworthy see others as unworthy.
The core message of most organised religions is not joy, innocence,
and self celebration, but fear, guilt, and self-denial.
Rev. Robert H Schuller, said "Theologians must have their
international, universal, transcreedal, transcultural, transracial
standard."
Provided it is rock solidly based on the teachings of Christ. There
are aspects of modern Christianity which I would say are most
definitely not based on the teachings of Christ, but on what we want
to believe. As a Catholic I would argue for example that the Primacy
of Peter is not explained by many, but "explained away" for example.
I suggest that such an international, universal, transcreedal,
transcultural, transracial standard for theology is the statement: "We
Are All One. Ours is not a better way, ours is merely another way."
Do not let another moment go by in which you have an opportunity to
tell someone how magnificent they are. Do not let an opportunity pass
in which you may offer praise. Give people the gift of self-esteem,
and you will have given them a gift that many cannot find away to give
themselves. Yet when they find themselves though you, and return to
their own glorious vision and their own grandest idea of who they
really are, they are lost no more, for you have returned them to
themselves.
Christ made the statement "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life".
That is a direct challenge to any other "Way" frankly, and is also the
reason why He also said "I have come to set fire to the world".
There are two reasons for this - the first is that our human nature
resents any attempt by anyone to set Himself up as the Truth. The
second is that the Devil knows Christ is the Truth and does all he can
to lead us away from that realisation, and to persecute those who
believe so if he can. The devil's spirit operates in those who reject
Christ, even though he is so subtle they cannot see what is happening.
Once they were lost, but now they are found.
To change people's behaviour, change people's ideas about them selves.
Change their beliefs about life and about God.
If you think you were born into sin, are a sinner now. And will be a
sinner always, how are you most likely to act? Yet if you believe that
you are one with God, that you walk instep with the Divine, how, then,
will you behave?
First of all you've got to get people to realise they're out of step.
If you were training an army squad, and the trainee soldiers are all
out of step, would you correct it by telling them they are all in
step? No, first of all you tell them they are out of step. Then you
set an example. Once they are in step you can praise them all you
like, although RSM's are not normally known for easy praise, in my
experience.
I tell you this: You are an angel.
You are the angel for whom someone is waiting today.
Now you have a choice between beliefs. I say you are an angel.
Religion says you are but a lowly, grovelling sinner.
Which belief do you think better serves you? Which do you think better
serves human kind
Its good to talk to you thank you...Chris
I believe I am a sinner, who will have either an eternal glorious or
horrible future. If it is glorious, it will be because God's will has
been done. If it is horrible, it will be because at some crucial
steps, MY will was done.
Bob Crowley.
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| User: "Chris" |
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06 Apr 2004 05:05:22 AM |
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Bob wrote
First of all you've got to get people to realise they're out of step.
If you were training an army squad, and the trainee soldiers are all
out of step, would you correct it by telling them they are all in
step? No, first of all you tell them they are out of step. Then you
set an example. Once they are in step you can praise them all you
like, although RSM's are not normally known for easy praise, in my
experience.
Bob I read and re read your points this one in particular seem to sum
up the whole
To teach all to walk in step we could as you suggest try the old way
coercion, bullying, barracking etc. I believe the results would be,
all would for a while because of fear, pain, peer pressure etc. Then
over time all would resort to their own way, some may stay damaged,
and permanently scarred by the experience (sound familiar)
I WONDER… At the thought of trying something new, getting us together
showing us though our actions, that there is, a common goal. That by
all walking in step together, in the same direction we can ALL get to
the same destination.
I know the first way is tried and tested over about 2000 yrs; the
results are obvious for us all to see. Let us now realise that there
is another way in Oneness, no exclusions, understanding that only by
serving each other, truly serving each other, are we going to feel the
wonder of God, Life, Love.
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| User: "My name = Harvey" |
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06 Apr 2004 08:48:07 PM |
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What has been tried and tested over 2000 years?
Only that there's been constant re-intrepretation and misintrepretations
going on since then.
And what about the other million upon million years of man's existence
on this planet. He wasn't an ape, nor a savage.
The last 2000 years haven't been the sunshine of man's existence, and is
but a twinkle of an eye.
We don't know our own history - not at all. Alluded to as biblical times,
or pre-biblical? And would you suggest, that you can relate to them?
Just as you do, to biblical times? No --- you can't.
If yes - then you're fooling yourself even more.
Harvey
In article <75aa3b23.0404060205.5f3b4c7d@posting.google.com>,
christopher.kerr-hunter@ntlworld.com says...
Bob wrote
First of all you've got to get people to realise they're out of step.
If you were training an army squad, and the trainee soldiers are all
out of step, would you correct it by telling them they are all in
step? No, first of all you tell them they are out of step. Then you
set an example. Once they are in step you can praise them all you
like, although RSM's are not normally known for easy praise, in my
experience.
Bob I read and re read your points this one in particular seem to sum
up the whole
To teach all to walk in step we could as you suggest try the old way
coercion, bullying, barracking etc. I believe the results would be,
all would for a while because of fear, pain, peer pressure etc. Then
over time all would resort to their own way, some may stay damaged,
and permanently scarred by the experience (sound familiar)
I WONDER… At the thought of trying something new, getting us together
showing us though our actions, that there is, a common goal. That by
all walking in step together, in the same direction we can ALL get to
the same destination.
I know the first way is tried and tested over about 2000 yrs; the
results are obvious for us all to see. Let us now realise that there
is another way in Oneness, no exclusions, understanding that only by
serving each other, truly serving each other, are we going to feel the
wonder of God, Life, Love.
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| User: "Chris" |
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07 Apr 2004 08:58:19 AM |
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Harvey
My point in using 2oooyrs was that this is the begining of
Christianity;
That for the past 2000yrs we have bullied the world into Christ it
hasn't worked, nor will it ever work.
Because as I stated in previous threads, organised religion is
dangerous in its seperatist teaching.
I am promoting Oneness that God loves us all Un-Conditionally.
I do take your point that we don't know our history, many theories
have been put forward, and to my mind thats is what they are
theories.... Chris
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| User: "My name = Harvey" |
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07 Apr 2004 04:25:50 PM |
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There is concrete evidence around the world, that shows past
civilisations which use 'different' technology - ie. large stones which
are impossible for our technology to reproduce - our technology today is not
geared towards that method of construction.
Let's say that mankind emerged from a dark age - and that any far older
advanced civilisation that has plunged itself into darkness, would have
left few remaining evidence - because of age. What of our civilisation would
survive in 10,000 years? Or 5,000 years.
I am not against god or spirituality - sadly I think that christianity
today is just a shadow of what it was intended to be (Jesus teachings).
It is good to talk matter of factly, without resorting to teachings of
dogma and rhetoric (which doesn't make sense anyway).
People endlessly quoting from the bible - does not help their case or
point any good, to someone who wants the plain honest truth, that which is.
They are simply carrying forward the misinterpretations and misinformation,
mistranslations, etc into this generation. I think it is high time, that
ought to be stopped. Accept that which is good, and start rejecting that
which was grafted on, which should be pruned away.
As you said - that of 'establishment' and 'self preservation' that is
mixed in with religion and beliefs. Deal with the actual concepts involved -
what it is really selling? If anything.
Jesus didn't come through as being the saviour when he preached - only with
his death (and disappearance) did others proclaim him as the saviour, etc.
This has probably happened with Islam as well - how that became distorted
too. (And others?)
Harvey
In article <75aa3b23.0404070558.740bcff9@posting.google.com>,
christopher.kerr-hunter@ntlworld.com says...
Harvey
My point in using 2oooyrs was that this is the begining of
Christianity;
That for the past 2000yrs we have bullied the world into Christ it
hasn't worked, nor will it ever work.
Because as I stated in previous threads, organised religion is
dangerous in its seperatist teaching.
I am promoting Oneness that God loves us all Un-Conditionally.
I do take your point that we don't know our history, many theories
have been put forward, and to my mind thats is what they are
theories.... Chris
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| User: "disciple" |
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07 Apr 2004 09:56:46 PM |
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You want the truth Harvey? It is in the King James version New Testament.
Read it and ask God to show you what it means, so you understand it right.
My name = Harvey wrote in message ...
There is concrete evidence around the world, that shows past
civilisations which use 'different' technology - ie. large stones which
are impossible for our technology to reproduce - our technology today is
not
geared towards that method of construction.
Let's say that mankind emerged from a dark age - and that any far older
advanced civilisation that has plunged itself into darkness, would have
left few remaining evidence - because of age. What of our civilisation
would
survive in 10,000 years? Or 5,000 years.
I am not against god or spirituality - sadly I think that christianity
today is just a shadow of what it was intended to be (Jesus teachings).
It is good to talk matter of factly, without resorting to teachings of
dogma and rhetoric (which doesn't make sense anyway).
People endlessly quoting from the bible - does not help their case or
point any good, to someone who wants the plain honest truth, that which is.
They are simply carrying forward the misinterpretations and misinformation,
mistranslations, etc into this generation. I think it is high time, that
ought to be stopped. Accept that which is good, and start rejecting that
which was grafted on, which should be pruned away.
As you said - that of 'establishment' and 'self preservation' that is
mixed in with religion and beliefs. Deal with the actual concepts
involved -
what it is really selling? If anything.
Jesus didn't come through as being the saviour when he preached - only with
his death (and disappearance) did others proclaim him as the saviour, etc.
This has probably happened with Islam as well - how that became distorted
too. (And others?)
Harvey
In article <75aa3b23.0404070558.740bcff9@posting.google.com>,
christopher.kerr-hunter@ntlworld.com says...
Harvey
My point in using 2oooyrs was that this is the begining of
Christianity;
That for the past 2000yrs we have bullied the world into Christ it
hasn't worked, nor will it ever work.
Because as I stated in previous threads, organised religion is
dangerous in its seperatist teaching.
I am promoting Oneness that God loves us all Un-Conditionally.
I do take your point that we don't know our history, many theories
have been put forward, and to my mind thats is what they are
theories.... Chris
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| User: "yetti" |
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07 Apr 2004 10:46:14 PM |
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kiwilove_nospamplease@paradise.net.atearoa (My name = Harvey) wrote in message news:<yl_cc.7477$u%1.782961@news02.tsnz.net>...
There is concrete evidence around the world, that shows past
civilisations which use 'different' technology - ie. large stones which
are impossible for our technology to reproduce - our technology today is not
geared towards that method of construction.
Let's say that mankind emerged from a dark age - and that any far older
advanced civilisation that has plunged itself into darkness, would have
left few remaining evidence - because of age. What of our civilisation would
survive in 10,000 years? Or 5,000 years.
I am not against god or spirituality - sadly I think that christianity
today is just a shadow of what it was intended to be (Jesus teachings).
It is good to talk matter of factly, without resorting to teachings of
dogma and rhetoric (which doesn't make sense anyway).
People endlessly quoting from the bible - does not help their case or
point any good, to someone who wants the plain honest truth, that which is.
They are simply carrying forward the misinterpretations and misinformation,
mistranslations, etc into this generation. I think it is high time, that
ought to be stopped. Accept that which is good, and start rejecting that
which was grafted on, which should be pruned away.
As you said - that of 'establishment' and 'self preservation' that is
mixed in with religion and beliefs. Deal with the actual concepts involved -
what it is really selling? If anything.
Jesus didn't come through as being the saviour when he preached - only with
his death (and disappearance) did others proclaim him as the saviour, etc.
This has probably happened with Islam as well - how that became distorted
too. (And others?)
Harvey
In article <75aa3b23.0404070558.740bcff9@posting.google.com>,
christopher.kerr-hunter@ntlworld.com says...
Harvey
My point in using 2oooyrs was that this is the begining of
Christianity;
That for the past 2000yrs we have bullied the world into Christ it
hasn't worked, nor will it ever work.
Because as I stated in previous threads, organised religion is
dangerous in its seperatist teaching.
I am promoting Oneness that God loves us all Un-Conditionally.
I do take your point that we don't know our history, many theories
have been put forward, and to my mind thats is what they are
theories.... Chris
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06 Apr 2004 09:18:13 PM |
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On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 01:48:07 GMT,
kiwilove_nospamplease@paradise.net.atearoa (My name = Harvey) wrote:
What has been tried and tested over 2000 years?
Only that there's been constant re-intrepretation and misintrepretations
going on since then.
And what about the other million upon million years of man's existence
on this planet. He wasn't an ape, nor a savage.
The last 2000 years haven't been the sunshine of man's existence, and is
but a twinkle of an eye.
We don't know our own history - not at all. Alluded to as biblical times,
or pre-biblical? And would you suggest, that you can relate to them?
Just as you do, to biblical times? No --- you can't.
If yes - then you're fooling yourself even more.
Harvey
Whatever, God will send His son to take me home.
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| Title: Re: Evidence of God |
07 Apr 2004 09:30:22 AM |
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On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 02:18:13 GMT, L.S.Lamey <teandson@netzero.net>,
Message ID: <b15057ead86602ba9982de3a56b1cf8a@news.teranews.com> wrote
in alt.atheism;
On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 01:48:07 GMT,
kiwilove_nospamplease@paradise.net.atearoa (My name = Harvey) wrote:
What has been tried and tested over 2000 years?
Only that there's been constant re-intrepretation and misintrepretations
going on since then.
And what about the other million upon million years of man's existence
on this planet. He wasn't an ape, nor a savage.
The last 2000 years haven't been the sunshine of man's existence, and is
but a twinkle of an eye.
We don't know our own history - not at all. Alluded to as biblical times,
or pre-biblical? And would you suggest, that you can relate to them?
Just as you do, to biblical times? No --- you can't.
If yes - then you're fooling yourself even more.
Harvey
Whatever, God will send His son to take me home.
And Santa Claus delivers toys to all the good girls and boys.
Translation of your "Whatever" post: Don't try to confuse me with
reality when I prefer fantasy.
Stoney
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