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User: "stone"
Date: 09 Aug 2003 06:50:07 PM
Object: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for August 9 (Micah Kills a Whole Town)
"Editor of EvilBible.com" <Dont_Reply@Here.com> wrote in message news:<bh398a$6dn$1@bob.news.rcn.net>...

Evil Bible Quote of the Day for August 9, 2003 from www.EvilBible.com:

Micah Kills a Whole Town (Judges 18:27-29 NLT)

"Then, with Micah's idols and his priest, the men of Dan came to the
town of Laish, whose people were peaceful and secure. They attacked and
killed all the people and burned the town to the ground. There was no one
to rescue the residents of the town, for they lived a great distance from
Sidon and had no allies nearby. This happened in the valley near
Beth-rehob.Then the people of the tribe of Dan rebuilt the town and lived
there. They renamed the town Dan after their ancestor, Israel's son, but it
had originally been called Laish."

(Note that God approves of this slaughter in verse 6.)

It does not say that God approved of it. It says that this young
priest, said that God approved of it. There were times in Israel when
the priests and false prophets, that claimed to speak for the Lord,
did not really speak for the Lord. In the days when the judges ruled
Israel had fallen into sin and idol worship. Micah was an immoral man
that had a house full of idols. Any real priest of the Lord would not
be involved with this idol worshipper.
Judges 17:12 And Micah consecrated the Levite; and the young man
became his priest, and was in the house of Micah.
This young man was not a real priest of the Lord. He was falsely and
wrongly consecrated by Micah, who was an immoral idol worshipper.
God did not approve of the slaughter. That false priest said that God
approved of it, and that false priest did not know what he was talking
about.



What kind of person would get their moral guidance from an ancient book of
myths and magic that says it is OK to murder, rape, pillage, and plunder?

Read more about the evils of the Bible at www.EvilBible.com.

.

User: "stone"

Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for August 9 (Micah Kills a Whole Town) 10 Aug 2003 05:18:38 PM
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Evil Bible Quote of the Day for August 9, 2003 from www.EvilBible.com:

Micah Kills a Whole Town (Judges 18:27-29 NLT)

"Then, with Micah's idols and his priest, the men of Dan came to the
town of Laish, whose people were peaceful and secure. They attacked and
killed all the people and burned the town to the ground. There was no

one

to rescue the residents of the town, for they lived a great distance

from

Sidon and had no allies nearby. This happened in the valley near
Beth-rehob.Then the people of the tribe of Dan rebuilt the town and

lived

there. They renamed the town Dan after their ancestor, Israel's son,

but it

had originally been called Laish."

(Note that God approves of this slaughter in verse 6.)


It does not say that God approved of it. It says that this young
priest, said that God approved of it. There were times in Israel when
the priests and false prophets, that claimed to speak for the Lord,
did not really speak for the Lord. In the days when the judges ruled
Israel had fallen into sin and idol worship. Micah was an immoral man
that had a house full of idols. Any real priest of the Lord would not
be involved with this idol worshipper.
Judges 17:12 And Micah consecrated the Levite; and the young man
became his priest, and was in the house of Micah.
This young man was not a real priest of the Lord. He was falsely and
wrongly consecrated by Micah, who was an immoral idol worshipper.
God did not approve of the slaughter. That false priest said that God
approved of it, and that false priest did not know what he was talking
about.


Clearly the priest lied. There are no gods, so how could he consult them?

What I don't understand is how people can believe someone who says that God
talks to them. You apparently understand that at least some parts of the
Bible involve priests lying about God. Maybe soon you will realize that
every time someone in the Bible says that God talks to them they are lying.

Of course you don't understand it. If you are in sin and unbelief, you
will not be able to understand it, because God will give you over to a
reprobate mind to be deceived by the devils.
2 Corinthians 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that
are lost:
2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the
minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel
of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong
delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2 Thessalonians 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not
the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
The fact is that sometimes, God does talk to real men of God that are
yielded to His will.
First show some willingness to accept God's will, if He really does
exist, and then ask Him to prove His existence to you. [You must do
this with a willingness to obey Him, if He really does prove Himself
to you.]
.
User: "Nikolaos D. Bougalis"

Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for August 9 (Micah Kills a Whole Town) 10 Aug 2003 11:13:45 PM
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Evil Bible Quote of the Day for August 9, 2003 from

www.EvilBible.com:


Micah Kills a Whole Town (Judges 18:27-29 NLT)

"Then, with Micah's idols and his priest, the men of Dan came to

the

town of Laish, whose people were peaceful and secure. They attacked

and

killed all the people and burned the town to the ground. There was

no

one

to rescue the residents of the town, for they lived a great distance

from

Sidon and had no allies nearby. This happened in the valley near
Beth-rehob.Then the people of the tribe of Dan rebuilt the town and

lived

there. They renamed the town Dan after their ancestor, Israel's

son,

but it

had originally been called Laish."

(Note that God approves of this slaughter in verse 6.)


It does not say that God approved of it. It says that this young
priest, said that God approved of it. There were times in Israel when
the priests and false prophets, that claimed to speak for the Lord,
did not really speak for the Lord. In the days when the judges ruled
Israel had fallen into sin and idol worship. Micah was an immoral man
that had a house full of idols. Any real priest of the Lord would not
be involved with this idol worshipper.
Judges 17:12 And Micah consecrated the Levite; and the young man
became his priest, and was in the house of Micah.
This young man was not a real priest of the Lord. He was falsely and
wrongly consecrated by Micah, who was an immoral idol worshipper.
God did not approve of the slaughter. That false priest said that God
approved of it, and that false priest did not know what he was talking
about.


Clearly the priest lied. There are no gods, so how could he consult

them?


What I don't understand is how people can believe someone who says that

God

talks to them. You apparently understand that at least some parts of

the

Bible involve priests lying about God. Maybe soon you will realize that
every time someone in the Bible says that God talks to them they are

lying.


Of course you don't understand it. If you are in sin and unbelief, you
will not be able to understand it, because God will give you over to a
reprobate mind to be deceived by the devils.

Ahh, yes... Argument by mystical insight. Is a logical fallacy the best
you can do?

2 Corinthians 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that
are lost:
2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the
minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel
of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

So it's your (imaginary) God's fault we do not believe: he blinded us,
and hid the true meaning. Is that what you are telling us? How do you
reconcile that with his "all loving" attitude?

2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong
delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2 Thessalonians 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not
the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Again, your imaginary friend is the one that's "confusing" us. Some
loving father he is. Sounds more like a ***** to me.

First show some willingness to accept God's will, if He really does
exist, and then ask Him to prove His existence to you. [You must do
this with a willingness to obey Him, if He really does prove Himself
to you.]

I see no reason to believe in your particular flavor of an imaginary
friend. It is, therefore, illogical to ask me to first believe in him,
before evidence of his existence can be pointed out to me. Have you ever
read "Atheism: The case against god" by George H. Smith? Perhaps you should.
-n
.
User: "Editor of EvilBible.com"

Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for August 9 (Micah Kills a Whole Town) 11 Aug 2003 07:07:29 AM
"Nikolaos D. Bougalis" <nikb@webmaster.com> wrote in message
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Have you ever
read "Atheism: The case against god" by George H. Smith? Perhaps you

should.
That's a great book. I recommend it too.
.
User: "John Kelley"

Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for August 9 (Micah Kills a Whole Town) 12 Aug 2003 08:54:43 PM
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"Nikolaos D. Bougalis" <nikb@webmaster.com> wrote in message
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Have you ever
read "Atheism: The case against god" by George H. Smith? Perhaps you

should.

That's a great book. I recommend it too.

A refutation of some of Smith's arguments:
http://www.carm.org/atheism/law_limits.htm
.
User: "Editor of EvilBible.com"

Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for August 9 (Micah Kills a Whole Town) 12 Aug 2003 09:53:20 PM
"John Kelley" <jkelley@zoomnet.net> wrote in message
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"Nikolaos D. Bougalis" <nikb@webmaster.com> wrote in message
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Have you ever
read "Atheism: The case against god" by George H. Smith? Perhaps you

should.

That's a great book. I recommend it too.


A refutation of some of Smith's arguments:
http://www.carm.org/atheism/law_limits.htm

This guy didn't even read the entire argument! He read a paragraph that he
was e-mailed to him and responded to that. I did find a web site that had
Smith's argument in full:
http://www20.brinkster.com/atheology/atheism_the_case_against_god_part_1.htm
The link you posted appears to claim that God is all-powerful (see section
3D), yet in the same page he says that God can't do certain things (sections
1C and 2A). This is clearly not logical. This is the point that Mr. Smith
is trying to make. Things that are contradictory don't exist. A square
circle doesn't exist because the two properties of it (square and circle)
are in contradiction. God doesn't exist because these two properties
(all-powerful and limited) are in contradiction. Just claiming that they
are not contradictory doesn't make it true.
.
User: "John Kelley"

Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for August 9 (Micah Kills a Whole Town) 13 Aug 2003 01:26:47 PM
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"Nikolaos D. Bougalis" <nikb@webmaster.com> wrote in message
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Have you ever
read "Atheism: The case against god" by George H. Smith? Perhaps you

should.

That's a great book. I recommend it too.


A refutation of some of Smith's arguments:
http://www.carm.org/atheism/law_limits.htm


This guy didn't even read the entire argument! He read a paragraph that he
was e-mailed to him and responded to that. I did find a web site that had
Smith's argument in full:
http://www20.brinkster.com/atheology/atheism_the_case_against_god_part_1.htm

The link you posted appears to claim that God is all-powerful (see section
3D), yet in the same page he says that God can't do certain things (sections
1C and 2A). This is clearly not logical. This is the point that Mr. Smith
is trying to make. Things that are contradictory don't exist. A square
circle doesn't exist because the two properties of it (square and circle)
are in contradiction. God doesn't exist because these two properties
(all-powerful and limited) are in contradiction. Just claiming that they
are not contradictory doesn't make it true.

God does indeed have infinite power(omni-potent),
but NO AMOUNT of power can do the logically impossible.
(make square circle,married bachelor,
rock-so-big-he-can't-lift-it,etc)
.




User: "Nikolaos D. Bougalis"

Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for August 9 (Micah Kills a Whole Town) 11 Aug 2003 05:05:26 AM
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<snip>

2 Corinthians 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that
are lost:
2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the
minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel
of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.


So it's your (imaginary) God's fault we do not believe: he blinded

us,

and hid the true meaning. Is that what you are telling us? How do you
reconcile that with his "all loving" attitude?


It can't be done by a rational mind. It doesn't make sense. Thus you have

to

take the "leap of faith" by suspending your brain fucntion to buy it.

Yeah... now if only I could find the "brain" switch and turn it off, I
could be saved. Where did his God put the blueprints to our bodies?

Your only reason for existing was so that at the end of your life, god

could

cast you down into hell.

In the words of Homer, as he gets ready to descend into hell (via
escalator): "WOOOOOO!! BBQ!"
.


User: "juliekale"

Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for August 9 (Micah Kills a Whole Town) 11 Aug 2003 12:07:53 AM
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Evil Bible Quote of the Day for August 9, 2003 from

www.EvilBible.com:


Micah Kills a Whole Town (Judges 18:27-29 NLT)

"Then, with Micah's idols and his priest, the men of Dan came to

the

town of Laish, whose people were peaceful and secure. They attacked

and

killed all the people and burned the town to the ground. There was

no

one

to rescue the residents of the town, for they lived a great distance

from

Sidon and had no allies nearby. This happened in the valley near
Beth-rehob.Then the people of the tribe of Dan rebuilt the town and

lived

there. They renamed the town Dan after their ancestor, Israel's

son,

but it

had originally been called Laish."

(Note that God approves of this slaughter in verse 6.)


It does not say that God approved of it. It says that this young
priest, said that God approved of it. There were times in Israel when
the priests and false prophets, that claimed to speak for the Lord,
did not really speak for the Lord. In the days when the judges ruled
Israel had fallen into sin and idol worship. Micah was an immoral man
that had a house full of idols. Any real priest of the Lord would not
be involved with this idol worshipper.
Judges 17:12 And Micah consecrated the Levite; and the young man
became his priest, and was in the house of Micah.
This young man was not a real priest of the Lord. He was falsely and
wrongly consecrated by Micah, who was an immoral idol worshipper.
God did not approve of the slaughter. That false priest said that God
approved of it, and that false priest did not know what he was talking
about.


Clearly the priest lied. There are no gods, so how could he consult

them?


What I don't understand is how people can believe someone who says that

God

talks to them. You apparently understand that at least some parts of

the

Bible involve priests lying about God. Maybe soon you will realize that
every time someone in the Bible says that God talks to them they are

lying.


Of course you don't understand it. If you are in sin and unbelief, you
will not be able to understand it, because God will give you over to a
reprobate mind to be deceived by the devils.

In other words, "Your comprehension skills are less than mine because you
are not a christian."
Can you even begin to prove this without resorting to bible verses to back
it up?
No, you can't. Your argument is much the same as saying you can't understand
the Koran unless you are a Muslim.
"Faith" doesn't make you smarter, it just makes you more gullible.

The fact is that sometimes, God does talk to real men of God that are
yielded to His will.
First show some willingness to accept God's will, if He really does
exist, and then ask Him to prove His existence to you. [You must do
this with a willingness to obey Him, if He really does prove Himself
to you.]

I had said willingless the first 16 years of my life. Your bible, per that
experience, is a lie.
--
Be as you are.
From alt.atheism only...Julie Kale (aa 1029)
www.juliekale.com
.


User: "Bill Litchfield"

Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for August 9 (Micah Kills a Whole Town) 09 Aug 2003 07:49:38 PM
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Evil Bible Quote of the Day for August 9, 2003 from www.EvilBible.com:

Micah Kills a Whole Town (Judges 18:27-29 NLT)

"Then, with Micah's idols and his priest, the men of Dan came to the
town of Laish, whose people were peaceful and secure. They attacked and
killed all the people and burned the town to the ground. There was no

one

to rescue the residents of the town, for they lived a great distance

from

Sidon and had no allies nearby. This happened in the valley near
Beth-rehob.Then the people of the tribe of Dan rebuilt the town and

lived

there. They renamed the town Dan after their ancestor, Israel's son,

but it

had originally been called Laish."

(Note that God approves of this slaughter in verse 6.)


It does not say that God approved of it. It says that this young
priest, said that God approved of it. There were times in Israel when
the priests and false prophets, that claimed to speak for the Lord,
did not really speak for the Lord. In the days when the judges ruled
Israel had fallen into sin and idol worship. Micah was an immoral man
that had a house full of idols. Any real priest of the Lord would not
be involved with this idol worshipper.
Judges 17:12 And Micah consecrated the Levite; and the young man
became his priest, and was in the house of Micah.
This young man was not a real priest of the Lord. He was falsely and
wrongly consecrated by Micah, who was an immoral idol worshipper.
God did not approve of the slaughter. That false priest said that God
approved of it, and that false priest did not know what he was talking
about.

Did you infer the above interpretation from the Bible verses, or do you have
some outside source?
Shalom,
Bill





What kind of person would get their moral guidance from an ancient book

of

myths and magic that says it is OK to murder, rape, pillage, and

plunder?


Read more about the evils of the Bible at www.EvilBible.com.

.

User: "Alan Hobson"

Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for August 9 (Micah Kills a Whole Town) 10 Aug 2003 12:11:31 PM
(stone) wrote in message news:<5cfa0b68.0308091550.379b45f3@posting.google.com>...

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Evil Bible Quote of the Day for August 9, 2003 from www.EvilBible.com:

Micah Kills a Whole Town (Judges 18:27-29 NLT)

"Then, with Micah's idols and his priest, the men of Dan came to the
town of Laish, whose people were peaceful and secure. They attacked and
killed all the people and burned the town to the ground. There was no one
to rescue the residents of the town, for they lived a great distance from
Sidon and had no allies nearby. This happened in the valley near
Beth-rehob.Then the people of the tribe of Dan rebuilt the town and lived
there. They renamed the town Dan after their ancestor, Israel's son, but it
had originally been called Laish."

(Note that God approves of this slaughter in verse 6.)


It does not say that God approved of it. It says that this young
priest, said that God approved of it. There were times in Israel when
the priests and false prophets, that claimed to speak for the Lord,
did not really speak for the Lord.

Well, DUH! The *entire bible* is the written record of priests lying.
-Alan
aa#1608 BAAWA
.
User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for August 9 (Micah Kills a Whole Town) 10 Aug 2003 03:29:36 PM
On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 10:11:31 -0700, Alan Hobson wrote:

stone_2003@cheerful.com (stone) wrote in message
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Evil Bible Quote of the Day for August 9, 2003 from www.EvilBible.com:

Micah Kills a Whole Town (Judges 18:27-29 NLT)

"Then, with Micah's idols and his priest, the men of Dan came to
the
town of Laish, whose people were peaceful and secure. They attacked
and killed all the people and burned the town to the ground. There
was no one to rescue the residents of the town, for they lived a great
distance from Sidon and had no allies nearby. This happened in the
valley near Beth-rehob.Then the people of the tribe of Dan rebuilt the
town and lived there. They renamed the town Dan after their ancestor,
Israel's son, but it had originally been called Laish."

(Note that God approves of this slaughter in verse 6.)


It does not say that God approved of it. It says that this young priest,
said that God approved of it. There were times in Israel when the
priests and false prophets, that claimed to speak for the Lord, did not
really speak for the Lord.


Well, DUH! The *entire bible* is the written record of priests lying.

Now, now. Remember, the principle is that the "real priests" are the ones
that agree with what you want to believe and...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
.


User: "The_Sage"

Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for August 9 (Micah Kills a Whole Town) 11 Aug 2003 11:06:26 PM

Reply to article by: "Figinn" <nospam@verizon.net>
Date written: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 19:39:36 -0400
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Clearly the priest lied. There are no gods, so how could he consult them?

That is your opinion. Why continue to drag up something that nobody (even
you) can prove definitively one way or the other?

Let's get one thing straight here before continuing. Editor of EvilBible.com is
talking about the god of the bible and you are not. You are being intellectually
dishonest by comparing your apples to Editor's oranges.

Intellectually dishonest? I like that one.
If the "god of the bible" was so easy to interpret there wouldn't be 9
zillion religions out there, would there? There are tons of people who
don't take these stories Evil Editor mentions literally and instead
attribute them to the human writers of the time.
So which "god of the bible" are we speaking about again? The Baptist one?
The Catholic one? The Jewish one? The Mormon one? All interpret these
stories differently.

That was my point, exactly. Thank you for reiterating it.

And the existence of gods can be proved one way or the other. The only reason we
know about the god called Jehovah of the jews and christians, is because of the
meresay of a storytale called the bible. If a god, any god, actually exists
outside of your imagination that he/she/it/them exists, we would see actual
evidence of it. The fact is there is no actual evidence and the absence of
evidence proves lack of evidence (in this case it does, much as the lack of
gunpowder in the aftermath of an explosion proves that the explosion wasn't
caused by gunpowder). Let's see for ourselves...

That would be true if that god wished for definitive evidence to be made
available.

God has no choice about it: physically real things physically interact with
other physically real things. There are no exceptions.

I tend not to foray into the actual intentions of God.

Which one?

Would you not agree that it would be possible (we're not saying logical or
likely or whatever) just *possible* that a god could exist without that god
making his/her/it's existence known to you? Think before you answer that

Anything is possible in your imagination but there is a huge difference between
what is possible and what is actual. If you limit yourself to reality instead of
fantasy, there is absolutely no evidence of any god or gods around you. You
cannot even begin to guess what a god or gods would act or look like because you
have never even had a glimpse of what they would act or look like. All you can
do is pretend but pretending won't make it real or even possibly real.

That is what is known as "reasonable doubt." There will always be
reasonable doubt to any argument claiming to prove the non existence of
gods, just as there will always be reasonable doubt to any argument claiming
to prove the existence of god.

There is no reasonable doubt because there is no reason to even suspect the
existence of a god or gods, hence the reason there are so many versions of a god
or gods out there. Everyone make believes in their own version but not one of
those versions is based on an actually existing god or gods.

Therefore the two groups (believers and non-believers) will never be able to
find a common ground. We can however, leave each other alone. The Evil
Editor does not choose to do this ... therefore I don't have to leave him
alone.

There is no point in finding common ground. That would be like trying to find a
common ground between child molestors and non child-molestors. But should they
leave each other alone? Heck no! Religious beliefs are a very immoral and
dangerous threat to mankind because most religious beliefs assume holy
sanctification ("a people set apart for me" as one Bible puts it) that will
eventually attract violent, unstable people looking for a means to justify their
madness. When one believes that they are part of an elite religious group, they
will naturally start to first discriminate and then ultimately exterminate all
those who pose a danger to their their dogmatic viewpoints, for any opposing
viewpoint MUST ultimately be perceived as a challenge to the right of their
deity's claim as the one and only God. I sadly envision a future for my children
where the next World War is a Bosnian-like attempt by proponents of opposing
religious factions to ethnically cleanse the planet of those unfortunates
unlucky enough to be born in a region where they worship a "false god". I would
like to speak out against that now while the "silent majority" remains quiet.

I know that God has spoken to me.

It isn't presumptious to say you are either a liar or delusional.

That is your opinion.

No it isn't, it is a psychological fact. There are lots and lots of people in
nut houses that hear god's voice all the time...what makes you different from
them?

God hasn't told me to destroy whole towns or
build a theme park but has spoken nonetheless.

At least not yet...but give it time.

Well, let's just hope God doesn't tell me to destroy your town .... LOL ...
until then, we don't have to worry about that.

I wouldn't worry about it anyway, since I am well armed.

Is that a lie? No, it is a belief. One that you can't change, regardless
of your daily nonsense.

A belief can be a lie...it is called "intentional self-deception".

Only if it has intent.

Which by definition they all do.

Your continuous quest against God, etc is as amusing as ever. Keep it up
... I'm sure you're "converting" folks en masse. I told you before and I'll
tell you again ... don't confuse religion with God. Religion can and does
have flaws. God does not.

So you do not believe in the bible. Good for you, but if you cannot even prove
your personal re-invention of a god exists outside of your imagination, you most
certainly cannot prove that your god is perfect. You are merely pretending yet
another version of god exists (outside of the bible and christianity) and
pretending that god is perfect. We don't pretend anything, we simply report
reality as it actually is instead of what we wish it were -- why can't you do
the same?

You are under the false assumption that I am under any obligation to prove
anything to you.

No I'm not. I don't care if you can prove anything or not, but obviously you
can't prove anything even if you wanted to because you lack one important thing:
facts.

What I "pretend" to exist is frankly, up to me.

When it comes to god, all you can do is pretend.

I don't have a website called www.evilatheist.com and don't have a daily
digest on how you folks are going to burn in hell. Perhaps you should
consider extending the same courtesy.

Agreed. Since you aren't a target, I will ignore you from now on.
<Snipped ad hominem against EvilBible.com>
The Sage
=============================================================
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Just say no to organized superstitions, blind faith beliefs, and
ancient books with inaccurate science, blatent contradictions,
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User: "Figinn"

Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for August 9 (Micah Kills a Whole Town) 12 Aug 2003 12:41:31 AM
"The_Sage" <theeSage@azrmci.net> wrote in message
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Reply to article by: "Figinn" <nospam@verizon.net>
Date written: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 19:39:36 -0400
MsgID:<bh6l3q$v2set$1@ID-202989.news.uni-berlin.de>


Clearly the priest lied. There are no gods, so how could he consult

them?


That is your opinion. Why continue to drag up something that nobody

(even

you) can prove definitively one way or the other?


Let's get one thing straight here before continuing. Editor of

EvilBible.com is

talking about the god of the bible and you are not. You are being

intellectually

dishonest by comparing your apples to Editor's oranges.


Intellectually dishonest? I like that one.


If the "god of the bible" was so easy to interpret there wouldn't be 9
zillion religions out there, would there? There are tons of people who
don't take these stories Evil Editor mentions literally and instead
attribute them to the human writers of the time.


So which "god of the bible" are we speaking about again? The Baptist

one?

The Catholic one? The Jewish one? The Mormon one? All interpret these
stories differently.


That was my point, exactly. Thank you for reiterating it.

Well I wouldn't necessarily say I was reiterating it, since you made no
statement even close to that in your previous post. Kudos to your
piggybacking on my own argument and trying to make it your own.

And the existence of gods can be proved one way or the other. The only

reason we

know about the god called Jehovah of the jews and christians, is because

of the

meresay of a storytale called the bible. If a god, any god, actually

exists

outside of your imagination that he/she/it/them exists, we would see

actual

evidence of it. The fact is there is no actual evidence and the absence

of

evidence proves lack of evidence (in this case it does, much as the lack

of

gunpowder in the aftermath of an explosion proves that the explosion

wasn't

caused by gunpowder). Let's see for ourselves...


That would be true if that god wished for definitive evidence to be made
available.


God has no choice about it: physically real things physically interact

with

other physically real things. There are no exceptions.

God has a multitude of choices. If you don't wish to see that, that's your
business.

I tend not to foray into the actual intentions of God.


Which one?

Nice loaded question.

Would you not agree that it would be possible (we're not saying logical

or

likely or whatever) just *possible* that a god could exist without that

god

making his/her/it's existence known to you? Think before you answer that


Anything is possible in your imagination but there is a huge difference

between

what is possible and what is actual. If you limit yourself to reality

instead of

fantasy, there is absolutely no evidence of any god or gods around you.

You

cannot even begin to guess what a god or gods would act or look like

because you

have never even had a glimpse of what they would act or look like. All you

can

do is pretend but pretending won't make it real or even possibly real.

Then I shall "pretend." Quite amusing that you feel a pressing desire to
take issue with it.

That is what is known as "reasonable doubt." There will always be
reasonable doubt to any argument claiming to prove the non existence of
gods, just as there will always be reasonable doubt to any argument

claiming

to prove the existence of god.


There is no reasonable doubt because there is no reason to even suspect

the

existence of a god or gods, hence the reason there are so many versions of

a god

or gods out there. Everyone make believes in their own version but not one

of

those versions is based on an actually existing god or gods.

That is your opinion.

Therefore the two groups (believers and non-believers) will never be able

to

find a common ground. We can however, leave each other alone. The Evil
Editor does not choose to do this ... therefore I don't have to leave him
alone.


There is no point in finding common ground. That would be like trying to

find a

common ground between child molestors and non child-molestors. But should

they

leave each other alone? Heck no! Religious beliefs are a very immoral and
dangerous threat to mankind because most religious beliefs assume holy
sanctification ("a people set apart for me" as one Bible puts it) that

will

eventually attract violent, unstable people looking for a means to justify

their

madness. When one believes that they are part of an elite religious group,

they

will naturally start to first discriminate and then ultimately exterminate

all

those who pose a danger to their their dogmatic viewpoints, for any

opposing

viewpoint MUST ultimately be perceived as a challenge to the right of

their

deity's claim as the one and only God. I sadly envision a future for my

children

where the next World War is a Bosnian-like attempt by proponents of

opposing

religious factions to ethnically cleanse the planet of those unfortunates
unlucky enough to be born in a region where they worship a "false god". I

would

like to speak out against that now while the "silent majority" remains

quiet.
What a depressing view of the future. I feel sorry for you.

I know that God has spoken to me.


It isn't presumptious to say you are either a liar or delusional.


That is your opinion.


No it isn't, it is a psychological fact. There are lots and lots of people

in

nut houses that hear god's voice all the time...what makes you different

from

them?

It would only be a psychological fact if you could definitively prove that
God does not exist. Which of course, you cannot do.

God hasn't told me to destroy whole towns or
build a theme park but has spoken nonetheless.


At least not yet...but give it time.


Well, let's just hope God doesn't tell me to destroy your town .... LOL

....

until then, we don't have to worry about that.


I wouldn't worry about it anyway, since I am well armed.

Would you like a cookie?

Is that a lie? No, it is a belief. One that you can't change,

regardless

of your daily nonsense.


A belief can be a lie...it is called "intentional self-deception".


Only if it has intent.


Which by definition they all do.

All beliefs have intent? All lies have intent? All self-deceptions have
intent? Sorry, I'm having a hard time keeping up with what exactly you're
trying to say.

Your continuous quest against God, etc is as amusing as ever. Keep it

up

... I'm sure you're "converting" folks en masse. I told you before and

I'll

tell you again ... don't confuse religion with God. Religion can and

does

have flaws. God does not.


So you do not believe in the bible. Good for you, but if you cannot even

prove

your personal re-invention of a god exists outside of your imagination,

you most

certainly cannot prove that your god is perfect. You are merely

pretending yet

another version of god exists (outside of the bible and christianity)

and

pretending that god is perfect. We don't pretend anything, we simply

report

reality as it actually is instead of what we wish it were -- why can't

you do

the same?


You are under the false assumption that I am under any obligation to

prove

anything to you.


No I'm not. I don't care if you can prove anything or not, but obviously

you

can't prove anything even if you wanted to because you lack one important

thing:

facts.

I have never claimed to be able to prove anything. Perhaps you should try
to keep up.

What I "pretend" to exist is frankly, up to me.


When it comes to god, all you can do is pretend.

In your opinion.

I don't have a website called www.evilatheist.com and don't have a daily
digest on how you folks are going to burn in hell. Perhaps you should
consider extending the same courtesy.


Agreed. Since you aren't a target, I will ignore you from now on.

Well that's the most intelligent thing you've said thus far. Ignore
everyone who doesn't agree with you ... hehe. Evil Editor is good at that
too. When he figures out he can't sway someone and look terribly smart
(using his immense 140 IQ) he ignores everything. Well, you're in good
company then, eh?
As far as ignoring me personally, that's fine with me. I had nothing to say
to you anyway. You busted in on a conversation that you had no part in.
You said nothing of substance. I frankly am tired of numnuts who feel they
have to preach to the choir to make themselves feel all good inside.

<Snipped ad hominem against EvilBible.com>

Well if that is the guideline for snipping, I should have snipped your
entire bs post. Look man "Mr. Sage" I don't care if you believe or not. I
don't have heaven or hell to offer you. I really do wish you atheists would
come up with some different arguments though if you wish to try to slag me.
You have thus far been absolutely unsuccessful in swaying me and most likely
anybody else. Why not just leave it at that?
Oh wait ... you can't answer that ... you've chosen to ignore me. Well good
bye and please have a nice day.
Figinn
.
User: "Editor of EvilBible.com"

Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for August 9 (Micah Kills a Whole Town) 12 Aug 2003 08:13:41 AM
"Figinn" <nospam@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"The_Sage" <theeSage@azrmci.net> wrote in message
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Reply to article by: "Figinn" <nospam@verizon.net>
Date written: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 19:39:36 -0400
MsgID:<bh6l3q$v2set$1@ID-202989.news.uni-berlin.de>

No it isn't, it is a psychological fact. There are lots and lots of

people

in

nut houses that hear god's voice all the time...what makes you different

from

them?


It would only be a psychological fact if you could definitively prove that
God does not exist. Which of course, you cannot do.

I showed you 4 logical proofs that God doesn't exist. I used your
definition of God and my dictionary's definition of God. You saw them and
ignored 3 of them. Your absurd claim that you can't prove that God doesn't
exist is wrong. Can your all-powerful God draw a square circle? Of course
not. It's impossible. It is just insane to say that "God does as God
pleases."
.

User: "The_Sage"

Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for August 9 (Micah Kills a Whole Town) 12 Aug 2003 09:23:41 PM

Reply to article by: "Figinn" <nospam@verizon.net>
Date written: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 01:41:31 -0400
MsgID:<bh9umg$vei75$1@ID-202989.news.uni-berlin.de>

So which "god of the bible" are we speaking about again? The Baptist one?
The Catholic one? The Jewish one? The Mormon one? All interpret these
stories differently.

That was my point, exactly. Thank you for reiterating it.

Well I wouldn't necessarily say I was reiterating it, since you made no
statement even close to that in your previous post. Kudos to your
piggybacking on my own argument and trying to make it your own.

Thank you for this opportunity to prove you wrong (again). From my post of
08/10/03:
Let's get one thing straight here before continuing. Editor of EvilBible.com
is talking about the god of the bible and you are not. You are being
intellectually dishonest by comparing your apples to Editor's oranges.
And the existence of gods can be proved one way or the other. The only reason
we know about the god called Jehovah of the jews and christians, is because of
the meresay of a storytale called the bible. If a god, any god, actually
exists outside of your imagination that he/she/it/them exists, we would see
actual evidence of it
Just so you don't miss it this time, you were being dishonest by changing the
subject from A PARTICULAR GOD to ANY AND ALL UNSPECIFIED GODS. Changing the
subject does not prove or disprove anything that EvilBible.com stated.
Futhermore, just to humor your logical fallacy, I offered a short proof of the
non-existence of any and all gods -- which you were completely and totally
unable to refute.

That would be true if that god wished for definitive evidence to be made
available.

God has no choice about it: physically real things physically interact with
other physically real things. There are no exceptions.

God has a multitude of choices. If you don't wish to see that, that's your
business.

You still failed to refute the fact that physically real things interact with
other physically real things. Your make believe god cannot be the exception to
this rule just because you say so. Say so is not fact, it is wishful thinking.
You cannot read the mind of something you have never known nor can you ever know
so don't assert what this god can do or what that god can do when you cannot
even prove that one single god exists outside of your imagination. When does
your make believing end and reality begin?

I tend not to foray into the actual intentions of God.

Which one?

Nice loaded question.

Same one you gave. What goes around, comes around, eh?

That is what is known as "reasonable doubt." There will always be
reasonable doubt to any argument claiming to prove the non existence of
gods, just as there will always be reasonable doubt to any argument claiming
to prove the existence of god.

There is no reasonable doubt because there is no reason to even suspect the
existence of a god or gods, hence the reason there are so many versions of a god
or gods out there. Everyone make believes in their own version but not one of
those versions is based on an actually existing god or gods.

That is your opinion.

Nope, try another guess: There are absolutely no valid reasons to suspect the
existence of a god (absolutely no valid physical interactions with actual
physical reality exist), and there are most definitely many many versions of god
out there. There are over 1000 versions of the so-called christian god alone,
not to mention the non-christian versions (Muslims, Mormons, etc).

There is no point in finding common ground. That would be like trying to find a
common ground between child molestors and non child-molestors. But should they
leave each other alone? Heck no! Religious beliefs are a very immoral and
dangerous threat to mankind because most religious beliefs assume holy
sanctification ("a people set apart for me" as one Bible puts it) that will
eventually attract violent, unstable people looking for a means to justify their
madness. When one believes that they are part of an elite religious group, they
will naturally start to first discriminate and then ultimately exterminate all
those who pose a danger to their their dogmatic viewpoints, for any opposing
viewpoint MUST ultimately be perceived as a challenge to the right of their
deity's claim as the one and only God. I sadly envision a future for my children
where the next World War is a Bosnian-like attempt by proponents of opposing
religious factions to ethnically cleanse the planet of those unfortunates
unlucky enough to be born in a region where they worship a "false god". I would
like to speak out against that now while the "silent majority" remains quiet.

What a depressing view of the future. I feel sorry for you.

Well number one, you would only be feeling sorry for yourself, since there is
nothing inherently depressing about that view, the depression is all you.
Number two, am I right or am I wrong? I'm just objectively reporting the facts;
I am seeing reality as it actually is instead of what I wish it were and it is a
fact that religious beliefs are the greatest danger to world peace, hence the
reason I speak out against it.

I know that God has spoken to me.

It isn't presumptious to say you are either a liar or delusional.

That is your opinion.

No it isn't, it is a psychological fact. There are lots and lots of people in
nut houses that hear god's voice all the time...what makes you different from
them?

It would only be a psychological fact if you could definitively prove that
God does not exist. Which of course, you cannot do.

Wrong again. I just proved god didn't exist in my last post, and as David put it
in his post today, additional proof that god doesn't exist is evidenced by "A
complete, and utter, lack of any evidence that one exists. A complete, and
utter, lack of any coherent definition of a god. A complete, and utter, lack of
any rational hypothesis about any god". Amen David.
Now, when are you going to prove me wrong by proving that a god...that any
god...exists outside of your poorly thought out imagination that one or two
exist?

God hasn't told me to destroy whole towns or
build a theme park but has spoken nonetheless.

At least not yet...but give it time.

Well, let's just hope God doesn't tell me to destroy your town .... LOL
until then, we don't have to worry about that.

I wouldn't worry about it anyway, since I am well armed.

Would you like a cookie?

Would you like another Holy war?

Is that a lie? No, it is a belief. One that you can't change, regardless
of your daily nonsense.

A belief can be a lie...it is called "intentional self-deception".

Only if it has intent.

Which by definition they all do.

All beliefs have intent? All lies have intent? All self-deceptions have
intent? Sorry, I'm having a hard time keeping up with what exactly you're
trying to say.

That's because you lack the education to keep up. A lie is an intentional
deception. A belief is an idea that is intended to be accepted by oneself or by
others.

You are under the false assumption that I am under any obligation to prove
anything to you.

No I'm not. I don't care if you can prove anything or not, but obviously you
can't prove anything even if you wanted to because you lack one important thing:
facts.

I have never claimed to be able to prove anything.

And at the rate you are going, you never will.

Perhaps you should try to keep up.

I'm light-years ahead of you.

What I "pretend" to exist is frankly, up to me.

When it comes to god, all you can do is pretend.

In your opinion.

No, it is an objective observation. You cannot prove me wrong so why even ask
you to demonstrate for us at any time and any place where god actually exists
outside of your imagination? You are all talk and no facts; all opinion and no
proof.

I don't have a website called www.evilatheist.com and don't have a daily
digest on how you folks are going to burn in hell. Perhaps you should
consider extending the same courtesy.

Agreed. Since you aren't a target, I will ignore you from now on.

Well that's the most intelligent thing you've said thus far. Ignore
everyone who doesn't agree with you

Well that's the biggest lie you've told so far...hehe. You implied, "Don't pick
on me because I wouldn't pick on you", but that too was yet another lie.
So let's see: You can't prove anything, you are a chronic liar, yet you blindly
believe you can have an intelligent discussion concerning what? How not to use
facts, proofs, or truth? Hahaha! You are a joke! No wonder you are a believer!
The Sage
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ancient books with inaccurate science, blatent contradictions,
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User: "David"

Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for August 9 (Micah Kills a WholeTown) 12 Aug 2003 10:42:46 AM
Figinn wrote:


God has a multitude of choices.

You can't make any claims as the this gods choices
until you prove the god exists.

It would only be a psychological fact if you could
definitively prove that God does not exist.

A complete, and utter, lack of any evidence that one
exists.
A complete, and utter, lack of any coherent definition
of a god.
A complete, and utter, lack of any rational hypothesis
about any god.
--
David V.
Yosemite Llama Ranch
dave@TheLlamaRanch.com
http://www.TheLlamaRanch.com
UDP for WebTV
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User: "The_Sage"

Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for August 9 13 Aug 2003 10:28:07 PM

Reply to article by: "Figinn" <nospam@verizon.net>
Date written: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 09:54:27 -0400
MsgID:<bhdful$10u7e9$1@ID-202989.news.uni-berlin.de>

I just realized this ... why did you add alt.atheism back to this thread?

Why do you keep taking it out? I put it in on purpose because it is
on-topic for that group.

First of all, I wasn't talking to you, Evil Editor.

Irrelevant since this is a public forum, not a private forum.

Why do I keep taking it out? Because last I checked, many atheists from
alt.atheism ask over and over for theists to stay out of their group.

Prove it.

I have no problem respecting their wishes ... rules (see below) or not.

We asked you to stop posting your nonsense to us and you haven't respected our
wishes, so why should we believe your story that you actually would want to
respect alt.atheism?

You do not wish to debate or even discuss. You merely preach and judge.
There's quite a difference.

You are such a liar. You have yet to post anything related to the quote of
August 9th for the last three days now, and this last post of yours was no
exception. Do you want to attack the message of how Micah Killed a Whole Town
with the blessing of one of the xian gawds or do you want to continue to attack
the messenger with petty ***** instead?
The Sage
=============================================================
My Home Page : http://members.cox.net/the.sage
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Just say no to organized superstitions, blind faith beliefs, and
ancient books with inaccurate science, blatent contradictions,
and false prophecies
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User: "Figinn"

Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for August 9 14 Aug 2003 12:09:13 AM
"The_Sage" <theeSage@azrmci.net> wrote in message
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Reply to article by: "Figinn" <nospam@verizon.net>
Date written: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 09:54:27 -0400
MsgID:<bhdful$10u7e9$1@ID-202989.news.uni-berlin.de>


I just realized this ... why did you add alt.atheism back to this

thread?


Why do you keep taking it out? I put it in on purpose because it is
on-topic for that group.


First of all, I wasn't talking to you, Evil Editor.


Irrelevant since this is a public forum, not a private forum.

Yawn.

Why do I keep taking it out? Because last I checked, many atheists from
alt.atheism ask over and over for theists to stay out of their group.


Prove it.

groups.google.com ... look it up if you wish.

I have no problem respecting their wishes ... rules (see below) or not.


We asked you to stop posting your nonsense to us and you haven't respected

our

wishes, so why should we believe your story that you actually would want

to

respect alt.atheism?

You do not wish to debate or even discuss. You merely preach and judge.
There's quite a difference.


You are such a liar. You have yet to post anything related to the quote of
August 9th for the last three days now, and this last post of yours was no
exception. Do you want to attack the message of how Micah Killed a Whole

Town

with the blessing of one of the xian gawds or do you want to continue to

attack

the messenger with petty ***** instead?

I'll stick with the petty ***** as you call it. Thanks for playing.
Figinn
.

User: "Bd4u"

Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for August 9 13 Aug 2003 10:40:25 PM
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 20:28:07 -0700, The_Sage <theeSage@azrmci.net> wrote:

Why do I keep taking it out? Because last I checked, many atheists from
alt.atheism ask over and over for theists to stay out of their group.


Prove it.

I'll prove it, i've been to alt.atheism and was NEVER asked to leave
or stay out while i was there, even after discussion of religious perceptions.
Among other things. In fact there was one regular *christian* there
pumping out propoganda, he was thoroughly harrassed for trolling, but they
did not ask him to leave while i was there.. ..altho; i think i did.
;-)


I have no problem respecting their wishes ... rules (see below) or not.


We asked you to stop posting your nonsense to us and you haven't respected our
wishes, so why should we believe your story that you actually would want to
respect alt.atheism?

bd4u
.
User: "The_Sage"

Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for August 9 14 Aug 2003 08:16:46 PM

Reply to article by: Bd4u <bd4u@ntelos.net>
Date written: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 23:40:25 -0400
MsgID:<7q0mjvci0a3avee9n868ke2us0c3604b84@4ax.com>

Why do I keep taking it out? Because last I checked, many atheists from
alt.atheism ask over and over for theists to stay out of their group.

Prove it.

I'll prove it, i've been to alt.atheism and was NEVER asked to leave
or stay out while i was there, even after discussion of religious perceptions.
Among other things. In fact there was one regular *christian* there
pumping out propoganda, he was thoroughly harrassed for trolling, but they
did not ask him to leave while i was there.. ..altho; i think i did.

Thank you for proving what a liar Figinn is.
The Sage
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