| Topic: |
Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"david ford" |
| Date: |
11 Sep 2005 10:53:18 PM |
| Object: |
Re: evolution and "materialism" |
josephus wrote:
david ford wrote:
I say we need to degrade the culture.
Taking a firm, godless stand for death
news:dford3-b1c67abe.0410291758.3dfffe4b@posting.google.com
1979 Schaeffer & Koop on the a-moral implications of atheism
news:dford3-b1c67abe.0504061225.4c675814@posting.google.com
Haeckel on murdering the disabled
news:dford3-3a8etdF65smnrU4@individual.net
1868 Haeckel, 2003 Dawkins, 1997 George Williams, 1995 Dennett:
Darwinists downgrading the value of human life
news:dford3-399aluF5uql89U1@individual.net
2-pronged role of Darwinian thought in Holocaust's arrival
news:dford3-1125723152.824465.111490@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
David you do seem to be doing some better communicating, but your links
are broken, they are incomplete. my browser will not open any of them
no matter how I paste it up. you still have a bad case of quotminging.
Thanks for this.
(They are Google group message IDs; were you to paste one, insert
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=
in front, turn @ into %40
and hit enter, it would work.)
I suggest you do what I do all the time:
do a control-f/ "find" on a somewhat-distinctive word to locate the URL
you want:
Rape in New Orleans
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1125803542.293791.168380%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Terri Schiavo story with villains, victims, and heroes
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1125332830.051705.205450%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
1978 Graber: "homosexuality appears to have been widespread in several
volunteer [Freikorps] units"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1126151010.843839.115080%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
I freely acknowledge that the secular, scientific religion of atheism
has a 'bloody history.' And I boldly embrace that 'bloody history.'
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1121400956.627638.38960%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Yahya and Koster on the use of fear and force
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0407030811.4e8cd1bd%40posting.google.com
Reality vs. worldview philosophy of materialism/ atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3813ksF5ggkc3U1%40individual.net
2-pronged role of Darwinian thought in Holocaust's arrival
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1125723152.824465.111490%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Haeckel re: Jesus; Fest on "Social Darwinism in Hitler's thought"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1125598958.059080.62950%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler's human breeding plan using selection + mutations
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1124684179.251743.95950%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1124731489.829229.220700%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Should a person fear being judged for his or her actions?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1125418165.686474.220010%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
What matters is what elite judges having a secular religion say.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3aenpiF69fl4rU1%40individual.net
1990 Lynn Margulis
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1125116281.603256.38930%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Gange on information content; Wigner contra materialism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1124167154.817991.159730%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
genetic code, coding falsely appears to be code-programmer workproduct;
1973 Dobzhansky
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1123647563.631181.310000%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
1985 Cairns-Smith: "Present-day organisms are manifestly pieces of
'high technology', and what is more seem to be necessarily so."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1123558517.582123.223890%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
Meaning of "Christian"?
Do you think it's possible for someone to both
a) aggressively pursue homosexual activity,
while at the same time
b) be a follower of Jesus Christ and seek to follow the commands in the
Bible's New Testament?
Goebbels: "Goering... addressed a sharp letter to Bishops Galen... and
Berning"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1124768891.979046.93770%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
A Good Tautology is Hard to Avoid
http://groups.google.co.in/group/talk.origins/msg/80d1ba07087d43b5?
Draft 2 of a chronology of Darwinian thought and the march to the Final
Solution
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1122434358.640904.162640%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
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A Chronology
Dawkins, Richard. 1989. _The Selfish Gene_ (NY: Oxford University
Press), 352pp. On 2:
....I think 'nature red in tooth and claw' sums up our modern
understanding of natural selection admirably.
Darwin, Charles. 1859. _On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural
Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for
Life_ (London: John Murray), 513pp.
1859 Darwin vs. the Judeo-Christian conception of the unity of man
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120016676.023811.113660%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
1989 Koster: "it was Christianity that put an end to slavery around
the globe"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0406281819.5f06fed5%40posting.google.com
1863 Darwinist ethnologist Oscar Peschel:
The Negro is far removed from the European and close to
the ape through its small build, through the relatively
small breadth of its skull, through its relatively long upper
limbs, and further the relatively short length of the
thigh.... Also the Negro is more animal, in that it gives
off a disgusting odor, distorts its face in grimaces, and its
voice has a harsh, grating tone.
Cited in
Weikart, Richard. 2004. _From Darwin to Hitler: Evolutionary Ethics,
Eugenics, and Racism in Germany_ (USA: Palgrave Macmillan), 312pp.,
112. About Weikart's book:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0407030531.19253d93%40posting.google.com
1866 Rolle and 1941 Hitler parallel
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118762703.384545.317610%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
1868 Haeckel and 1941 Hitler parallel
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118920740.543349.176440%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
1868 Haeckel, 2003 Dawkins, 1997 George Williams, 1995 Dennett:
Darwinist atheists/ materialists downgrading the value of human life
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-399aluF5uql89U1%40individual.net
1871 Darwin: [CD]"the civilised races of man"-- e.g. [CD]"the
Caucasian"-- [CD]"will almost certainly exterminate and replace
throughout the world the savage races"-- e.g. [CD]"the negro or
Australian," as in Australian aborigine-- with the end result being
[CD]"man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, than the Caucasian"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0407060404.711490be%40posting.google.com
Hitler encounters the T0E as a child: A Victory for Atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118403178.860854.170600%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Stalin encounters the T0E in seminary: A Victory for Atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118511187.489582.241590%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler's secular religion
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120837574.592972.268980%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
1941 Hitler & 2003 Dawkins observation re: conflicting religions
http://groups.google.co.in/group/talk.origins/msg/939d21b69b475095?
1943 Goebbels & Hitler agree on "the insanity of the Christian doctrine
of redemption"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120260213.363834.164990%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Hitler opposed Christianity
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1117657689.616680.167840%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Haeckel on murdering the disabled
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3a8etdF65smnrU4%40individual.net
Haeckel and Buchner and a Darwinian a-moral climate; Hitler was a
homosexual
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118315214.069039.280490%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
1934 Ebermayer: "Hess... was for many years the Fuhrer's partner"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1121399969.441145.63680%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
a spiritual void among especially-influential Germans
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118976003.052269.211420%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Proctor, Robert N. 1988. _Racial Hygiene: Medicine under the Nazis_
(Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press), 414pp. On 6:
The published record of the German medical profession
makes it clear that many intellectuals cooperated fully in
Nazi racial programs, and that many of the social and
intellectual foundations for these programs were laid long
before the rise of Hitler to power. What I want to argue in
addition to this, however (and here I shall be drawing
upon a growing body of recent German scholarship on
this question) is that biomedical scientists played an
active, even leading role in the initiation, administration,
and execution of Nazi racial programs.
2004 Richard Weikart: "physicians... were committed to a racist
eugenics ideology that the Nazis favored"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0407120310.7d3f3929%40posting.google.com
1922 Max Nordau:
Good and bad.... are subject to the laws of evolution in
society and therefore in a constant state of flux....
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0411271314.4b84581e%40posting.google.com
undated Theodor Fritsch-- Weikart characterizes Fritsch as [Weikart on
55]"a highly influential anti-Semitic publicist":
Morality and ethics arise from the law of preservation of
the species, of the race. Whatever insures the future of
the species, whatever is suited to raise the species to an
ever higher level of physical and mental perfection, that is
moral.
Cited in Weikart, 55.
early 1930s Hitler: "the process of selection can be accelerated by
political means"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1121831594.290068.147940%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
If you were in 1938 Nazi Germany, would you have opposed or supported
the killing of Baby Knauer?
From
1997 Wesley Smith on Germany's slippery slope slide from devaluing
some human life to a little euthanasia/ killing to mass killings
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3abe1cF6ac7t2U1%40individual.net
That case came to their
attention in late 1938. A baby had been born with birth
defects: Baby Knauer was blind and had a leg and part of
an arm missing. The parents were distraught and,
accepting the general value system of their time, were
deeply ashamed to have brought a useless eater into the
world. They wrote requesting permission to have their
child "put to sleep." Hitler was quite interested in the
case and sent one of his personal physicians, Karl
Rudolph Brandt, to investigate. Brandt's instructions
from the Fuhrer were to verify the facts of the baby's
condition and, if true, to assure the child's doctors and
her parents that if she was killed, no one would face
punishment or liability. Brandt was then to witness the
euthanasia and report back to Hitler. The doctors in the
case who met with Brandt agreed that there was "no
justification for keeping the child alive," and Baby
Knauer soon became one of the first victims of the
Holocaust.^27
1939
Wesley Smith in his 1997 _Forced Exit: The Slippery Slope from
Assisted Suicide to Legalized Murder_
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3abe1cF6ac7t2U1%40individual.net
In early 1939, children born with birth defects or with
congenital diseases began to be killed under the
euthanasia program. These unfortunate children were
admitted to medical clinics by their doctors, where they
would be euthanized. Most of these children were
voluntarily turned over to medical authorities by their
own parents; some (but certainly not all) knew, or at least
suspected, that their disabled children were being sent to
their deaths. New reporting rules made it mandatory for
midwives and doctors to notify authorities when a baby
was born with birth defects. Once the referees
determined that the children were eligible for euthanasia,
they were killed either by intentional starvation or an
overdose of a drug, most typically a sedative called
Luminal. The euphemism of choice for this butchery was
"treatment."
It wasn't long before the list of those eligible to be killed
expanded.
Note the "killed either by intentional starvation or an overdose of a
drug."
1940 Nazi film "All Life is Struggle" embraced Darwinian natural
selection
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0407042043.1c2ccf1f%40posting.google.com
1941 Hitler: law of selection justifies incessant struggle/ war
http://groups.google.co.in/group/talk.origins/msg/6ab79a88a19145a0?
1942 Eichmann: "possible final remnant... is the product of natural
selection," 1942 Heydrich
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/c075c58afa667237?
excerpts from a 1942 Nazi biology textbook for the middle school
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/textbk01.htm
1943 Goebbels: a "process of selection between the strong and the
weak"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120450591.444214.186670%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Paul Johnson: Hitler practiced social engineering
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0407070355.27039a45%40posting.google.com
1973 Watson and 1978 Crick
From
1979 Schaeffer & Koop on the a-moral implications of atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0504061225.4c675814%40posting.google.com
In May 1973, James D. Watson, the Nobel Prize
laureate who discovered the double helix of DNA,
granted an interview to _Prism_ magazine, then a
publication of the American Medical Association.
_Time_ later reported the interview to the general
public, quoting Watson as having said,
If a child were not declared alive until three days
after birth, then all parents could be allowed the
choice only a few are given under the present
system. The doctor could allow the child to die
if the parents so choose and save a lot of misery
and suffering. I believe this view is the only
rational, compassionate attitude to have.
In January 1978, Francis Crick, also a Nobel
laureate, was quoted in the _Pacific News Service_
as saying,
. . . no newborn infant should be declared human
until it has passed certain tests regarding its
genetic endowment and that if it fails these tests
it forfeits the right to live.
Dawkins, Richard. 1989. _The Selfish Gene_ (NY: Oxford University
Press), 352pp. On 2:
....I think 'nature red in tooth and claw' sums up our modern
understanding of natural selection admirably.
1868 Haeckel, 2003 Dawkins, 1997 George Williams, 1995 Dennett:
Darwinists downgrading the value of human life
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-399aluF5uql89U1%40individual.net
any atheists against Terri Schindler Schiavo's being starved to death?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3adrlvF69l60hU1%40individual.net
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"113 Kurds Are Found In Mass Grave: Hussein Victims Almost All Women,
Children"
http://groups.google.co.in/group/talk.origins/msg/7992007d0af62942?
any atheists against Terri Schindler Schiavo's being starved to death?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3adrlvF69l60hU1%40individual.net
2004 Don Feder
http://groups.google.co.in/group/talk.origins/msg/3e1e6d8dfe1e67ec?
1979 Schaeffer & Koop on the a-moral implications of atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0504061225.4c675814%40posting.google.com
Unitarian Universalists for Polyamory Awareness
brochure "Are We Ready for This?"
http://www.uupa.org/AreWeReady.htm
godlessness in trouble: science, 'frauds' trigger decline in atheism
http://groups.google.co.in/group/talk.origins/msg/79b2d7995f3a2d27?
The 1919 experiment was ambiguous.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.95.970808020249.13466K-100000%40umbc10.umbc.edu
Note: for any of the documents posted, you can do a control-f/ "find"
and locate desired text further down in the message.
Saddam URLs
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-37nm2uF5gqtjkU2%40individual.net
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0505010547.10c7a881%40posting.google.com
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1993 Mark Ludwig
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3a19gpF65ij6fU3%40individual.net
computer simulations illustrate intelligent design, at the bottom of
replies to Larry Moran posts
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-39lhabF61ut8sU1%40individual.net
Terri Schindler Schiavo was intentionally starved to death. Germany
went down this road before:
Wesley Smith in his 1997 _Forced Exit: The Slippery Slope from
Assisted Suicide to Legalized Murder_
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3abe1cF6ac7t2U1%40individual.net
In early 1939, children born with birth defects or with
congenital diseases began to be killed under the
euthanasia program. These unfortunate children were
admitted to medical clinics by their doctors, where they
would be euthanized. Most of these children were
voluntarily turned over to medical authorities by their
own parents; some (but certainly not all) knew, or at least
suspected, that their disabled children were being sent to
their deaths. New reporting rules made it mandatory for
midwives and doctors to notify authorities when a baby
was born with birth defects. Once the referees
determined that the children were eligible for euthanasia,
they were killed either by intentional starvation or an
overdose of a drug, most typically a sedative called
Luminal. The euphemism of choice for this butchery was
"treatment."
It wasn't long before the list of those eligible to be killed
expanded.
Note the "killed either by intentional starvation or an overdose of a
drug."
[Smith]"These ideas later came to haunt Hoche; he would turn against
the German euthanasia program-- even though much of its rationale
derived from his own writings-- after one of his relatives became a
victim."
Of the people currently arguing for euthanasia, and currently arguing
for Terri Schindler Schiavo to continue being starved to death, how
many are going to be killed/ 'euthanized' when they become elderly?
How many of those currently arguing for euthanasia will have in future
years relatives of theirs being killed/ 'euthanized'?
Much more Wesley Smith is in
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3abe1cF6ac7t2U1%40individual.net
Control - f/ "find" for:
Darwin's bible; Hsu
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3a18k3F66sgjpU1%40individual.net
Do you think that the more one looks at atheists, particularly
hard-core
militantly-godless types:
the better atheism looks?
the worse atheism looks?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3a19amF65ij6fU2%40individual.net
the 'high-tech' approach present in car engines and certain biological
systems; 1942 D'Arcy Wentworth. Thompson; "immaterial" vs. "material"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3a19o0F65ij6fU5%40individual.net
[Wolfe in _The New Republic_]"She [O'Hair] was dictatorial,
irresponsible, racist, overbearing, corrupt, anti-Semitic, homophobic,
anti-Catholic, and at times criminal. .... this crudely embarrassing
atheist [i.e. O'Hair]"
[O'Hair to her father]"the Jews in big business are running this
country into the ground."
[O'Hair to her son William, after slapping him hard in the
face]"Listen, kid, the United States of America is nothing more than a
fascist slave labor camp run by a handful of Jew bankers in New York
City."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-39rvm4F63q0jrU1%40individual.net
[Gofreemind]"For newer atheists, Madalyn was anything but heroic. Her
rude, obnoxious public displays were an embarrassment."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0503090734.55fbdce3%40posting.google.com
On the Origin of Life
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-39oh33F63riraU1%40individual.net
replies to Larry Moran posts:
Larry's shifting conceptions of "species," "speciation," and
"evolution"
1972 and 1977 Gould and Eldredge on punk-eek and the fossil record
1998 Dawkins observation that certain religious claims are either
correct or incorrect
1977, 1980, and 1982 Gould the saltationist
1941 Jacques Barzun on Darwin's hedging and self-contradiction
1988 A. Lima-de-Faria on the phlogiston-like contradictory nature of
"selection"
2000 Michael Ruse on Gould's "being a bit of a phoney" concerning
religion
punk-eek on stasis
in passim: the allegation that the imperfect fossil record tells lies
computer simulations illustrate intelligent design
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-39lhabF61ut8sU1%40individual.net
1983 Simpson on quantum evolution
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0410130414.284a56ed%40posting.google.com
Intelligence isn't needed to account for this "engine"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0503101041.2bfdea1a%40posting.google.com
Ludwig on computer viruses
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96.980207214705.12692A-100000%40umbc10.umbc.edu
Vitz on his socialization in school
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-393h24F5qte75U1%40individual.net
Control - f/ "find" for: clay
Batch of replies to John Wilkins
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-389cg9F5lbshpU1%40individual.net
1960 Madalyn Murray O'Hair to her son William
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0503051050.3208401b%40posting.google.com
Al Gore; link to Byrd (D-WV) speech
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0503031422.18277f4e%40posting.google.com
[1986. Yockey]""those who believe.... the galaxy is pullulating with
civilizations"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0404100938.e7c05f7%40posting.google.com
godlessness in trouble
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-38r8v3F5qkkv1U1%40individual.net
2004 Alister McGrath: "The rise of militant Islam in Afghanistan was
the direct outcome of the Soviet invasion of that nation in 1979, and
its clumsy attempts to support an atheist regime."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-36d74dF51tdmoU1%40individual.net
Robert Griffiths
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-37ekfeF5cmdhjU1%40individual.net
Einstein: physics was designed
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-37f67dF59po8jU1%40individual.net
a t.o. philosopher on 'function' and 'purpose' in biology
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-37c9m5F59n45nU1%40individual.net
Habermas interview with Flew
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-336m89F3u087fU1%40individual.net
1983 Bruce Alberts; Haeckel's fraudulent embryo depictions; 1956
Goldschmidt
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-38m3vrF5o7bk2U1%40individual.net
Darwin only talks to and through his prophets.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-37f8trF5cdutnU1%40individual.net
Reply to the Larry Moran post that John nominated as a POTM
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-38hcs9F5ovk6pU1%40individual.net
_Reason_ article with the upshot of: Release the nonviolent drug
offenders
http://www.reason.com/9908/fe.js.prison.html
a cost-effect trade-off
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0411220549.41c1db87%40posting.google.com
What is wrong in this Newton?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=111tdsaha9hq7d1%40corp.supernews.com
Newton was a creationist regarding biology.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3877igF5kk9siU2%40individual.net
Ancestor, or sharer of a common ancestor?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0401121821.675a5dce%40posting.google.com
Similarities & Common Descent
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0401011520.5d1f4671%40posting.google.com
questions for John W. regarding Bell
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0401182159.641ac183%40posting.google.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0401201054.28ea2342%40posting.google.com
Meaning of "evolution" and "species"?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-386md9F5lsv5cU1%40individual.net
Reality vs. worldview philosophy of materialism/ atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3813ksF5ggkc3U1%40individual.net
aka
http://tinyurl.com/4glkm
Sandage won the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences' 1991 Crafoord Prize
Ref:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.980830000755.10441B-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
fabled primordial soup never existed
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-37mt00F5fb7kmU1%40individual.net
1962 Ehrlich and Holm:
Few nonevolutionists realize that the term
_adaptation_ is one of the least understood
and most misused in population biology.
Cite in
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IDiots' failure to acknowledge the facts is due to
their emotionally-held religious convictions.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0406261739.60e1f6fd%40posting.google.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0408221106.6e95a488%40posting.google.com
Mayr URLs
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-36l297F52q8rcU1%40individual.net
Ford caught in fraud!
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-37eet3F5ecn1tU1%40individual.net
How does a seeingwatchmakingist account for the origin of
the recorded-in-DNA/ genetic information within:
a human? a bacterium? the first biological lifeform?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-348nj6F47evohU1%40individual.net
mutation URLs
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-37elv4F5260vbU1%40individual.net
One literature search for "mutation"; mutation URLs
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-37elv4F5260vbU1%40individual.net
the Koran on hell; link to
"Christianity" is not monolithic when it comes to the nature of hell.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3720ncF56q00hU1%40individual.net
Have Humphrey, Dwyer, Dennett, and Dawkins gone around [LM]"behaving
like idiots"?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-36ptr0F53hkerU1%40individual.net
Hsu "almost tempted to join my colleague, Paul Feyerabend"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-35lfj3F4ojm7rU1%40individual.net
Mivart's _On The Genesis of Species_
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0411191923.147109da%40posting.google.com
Einstein: physics was designed
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-37f67dF59po8jU1%40individual.net
have Maff, Humphrey, Dwyer, Dennett, and Dawkins gone around
[LM]"behaving like idiots"?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-36ptr0F53hkerU1%40individual.net
Fire the IDiots
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0403121312.35d2e0c%40posting.google.com
Larry contradicts himself on Jeffrey Schwartz
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-36kvdkF531sqaU1%40individual.net
Larry, is Maff [LM]"an idiot"?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-35v5eaF4qc08oU1%40individual.net
homeobox mutations; 1989 Christopher Wills
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.4.10A.B3.9910231652340.8332-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.91.960814031530.14511K-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
Suppose there was "an omnipotent, omniscient designer" of computers
and computer software
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-348naoF46plv5U1%40individual.net
Motivations for Continuing to Cling to Philosophy of Materialism, 1999
Paul Vitz on personal convenience; 2002 Benjamin Wiker
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-35qe6lF4orjsoU1%40individual.net
1984 Dean Kenyon
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-34j9b2F4a5gioU1%40individual.net
February 1927 Einstein, i.e. before Einstein's 1930-1931 acceptance
that the universe is expanding: "Try and penetrate with our limited
means the secrets of nature and you will find that, behind all the
discernible concatenations, there remains something subtle, intangible
and inexplicable. Veneration for this force beyond anything that we
can comprehend is my religion."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-36d74dF51tdmoU1%40individual.net
Einstein to zu Lowenstein: "people who say there is no God. But what
really makes me angry is that they quote me for support of such views";
1941 Einstein; Lenin's becoming an atheist; 1922 Lenin; Bertrand
Russell never taken in by Soviet regime; 2005 President Bush inaugural
speech
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-35nbd1F4pm3jiU1%40individual.net
theological leanings of twenty signers of the Declaration of
Independence
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-35bcc1F4j6a0cU1%40individual.net
Hawking is not an atheist
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.980927230202.15518B-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.981023223535.2360A-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.981002001223.7287B-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
Flew and the nature of hell
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-33b5roF3v2ikjU1%40individual.net
Taking a firm, godless stand for death
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0410291758.3dfffe4b%40posting.google.com
1999 John Maynard Smith; 1986 Robert Shapiro;
1993 Philip E. Johnson (a creationist): "consider the possibility that
life is what it so evidently seems to be, the product of creative
intelligence"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-35aengF4jt97eU1%40individual.net
1931 Sir Arthur Eddington
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.91.960629225254.11815G-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
2001 Gerald Schroeder, 1999 Paul Davies, 1992 Hubert Yockey, & 1968
Michael Polanyi: [Davies]"life cannot be 'written into' the laws of
physics" presently known
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-33b2blF3tdum0U1%40individual.net
Nancy Pearcey's "DNA: The Message in the Message"
http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft9606/opinion/pearcy.html
Michael Kinsley's "Blogged Down"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-32ldo1F3oc5uoU1%40individual.net
Timeline of Materialism, Spontaneous Generation, and Blindwatchmaking
Views
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-348jecF47mfcjU1%40individual.net
1985 A.G. Cairns-Smith, 1986 Andrew Scott, 1999 Freeman Dyson
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-33bltcF3rgbovU1%40individual.net
some 1915-1999 doses of reality
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-33arf3F3vjdggU1%40individual.net
Gould, John Maynard Smith, J.B.S. Haldane, and Richard Lewontin were
Marxists; 2004 R.J. Rummel's "The killing machine that is Marxism"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-32gfjsF3l6o15U1%40individual.net
Hugh Ross and Reasons to Believe
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-32j00lF3nl519U1%40individual.net
1985 A.G. Cairns-Smith; How did recorded-in-DNA/ genetic information
originate?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-32gv43F3jsrelU1%40individual.net
Raup, David M. 1991. _Extinction: Bad Genes or Bad Luck?_ (NY: W.W.
Norton & Company), introduction by Gould, 210pp. On 187, a paragraph:
In the fossil record, many adaptive breakthroughs-- bursts of
speciation accompanied by the origin of new families and
orders--
occur after the big mass extinctions. The expansion of mammals
immediately following the dinosaur extinction is a classic
example. Although this effect is most striking after Big Five
mass extinctions, similar patterns are seen at all scales.
1985 Gould: "we professionals are adrift ourselves in many areas";
Gould's "Not Necessarily a Wing"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0411221033.48b47b7a%40posting.google.com
Michael J. Behe & David W. Snoke's "Simulating evolution by gene
duplication of protein features that require multiple amino acid
residues"
http://www.proteinscience.org/cgi/content/abstract/ps.04802904v1
This website's name is derived from a bogus argument.
A collection of URLs, most of which are posts of mine, is at
Shroud of Turin Links
Brilliant
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=80d0c26f.0401111430.463f2d7f%40posting.google.com
Maddox's 1989 editorial, Gribbin, Eddington, Hoyle, Narliker
?not there
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.95.970108224604.23566B-100000%40umbc10.umbc.edu
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Batch of URLs, version 8
Table of Contents:
1) Personal Growth, Thinking
2) Shroud of Turin
3) Miscellaneous Essays
4) Intelligent Design
5) Origin of Life
6) Theory of Natural Selection & Evolution
7) Materialism
8) Social Darwinism
9) Iraq
http://groups.google.co.in/group/talk.origins/msg/dfdc07f7e4813201?
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Batch of URLs, version 8
Note: to find a particular name or date quickly, do a "control - f"/
find for the date or a part of the name. To print before reading an
item, as a suggestion, click Google's link to view the post in its
original format. Control-a to select all, Control-c to copy, in Word
do a Control-v to paste, Control-a to select all, change the font to
Times New Roman or Palatino, change the font size to say 9 or 10 or 11
to save toner, and print. Underline things with which you agree or
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lengthy, when done reading perhaps make your own table of contents of
the high and low points.
Table of Contents:
1) Personal Growth, Thinking
2) Shroud of Turin
3) Miscellaneous Essays
4) Intelligent Design
5) Origin of Life
6) Theory of Natural Selection & Evolution
7) Materialism
8) Social Darwinism
9) Iraq
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1) PERSONAL GROWTH, THINKING
cutting unwanted habits
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0402162021.7b453b5c%40posting.google.com
make & review your personal mission statement
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0402182045.2bfc1422%40posting.google.com
Attitudes of Gratitude
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.LNX.4.44L.01.0305141814150.4467-100000%40linux2.gl.umbc.edu
rituals and _The Power of Full Engagement_
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.LNX.4.44L.01.0311170006270.30236-100000%40linux3.gl.umbc.edu
Naturally Improve Your Vision
http://www.rebuildyourvision.com
fitness with bodyweight exercises
http://www.mattfurey.com
Bill O'Reilly on friendship
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.LNX.4.44L.01.0311140006240.21825-100000%40linux2.gl.umbc.edu
1992 Susan Jeffers on soul-friendships, dating & friendship parallels
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0409071812.147c3ea4%40posting.google.com
On Equality in Friendship
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0403091709.8ed252a%40posting.google.com
What to Say When You Talk to Yourself
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0402242044.52e2e080%40posting.google.com
archive of excellent sermons
http://resources.christianity.com/churchredeemer/
Feynman on uncertainty; Lyttleton's bead-on-a-wire illustration
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.990601090737.1777A-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
Feynman, R. Reid, and Berlinski on _ad hominems_
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.990102235105.11328B-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
reconstructing arguments
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.981215001959.431B-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
"why" is vague
1985 Robert G.B. Reid on "received aphorisms"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96.980613224255.8353A-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
Macbeth on the illusion of the monolith
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.981115234755.21390A-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
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2) SHROUD OF TURIN
faulty Carbon Dating of
1) must look at preponderance of evidence
2) C-14 tests are undependable
3) archeologists and chemists were needed during the 1988 testing,
faulty methodology in sample collection
4) bioplastic layer
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.981224131117.5044D-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
The Shroud of Turin's 'Blood' Images: Blood, or Paint?
A History of Science Inquiry
go to the "Student Papers" link on the left-hand side of:
http://www.shroud2000.com/StudentCenter.html
A slightly earlier copy is on the website
http://www.shroud.com/menu.htm
Shroud chronology; Pia's discovery; Pray Manuscript
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.4.21L.01.0012100021370.2760451-100000%40irix2.gl.umbc.edu
for what reasons would an artist go to all the _trouble_ of making the
Shroud?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.LNX.4.21L.01.0012262313360.12146-100000%40linux1.gl.umbc.edu
1986 Edwards et al. "On the Physical Death of Jesus Christ"
http://www.messiahshighway.org/MHSITE/shared/crucify.html
what the Shroud body image is
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.981228235350.26179D-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
Everybody in STURP rejected McCrone's painting claim. In 1974,
McCrone declared the Vinland Map a fake, but 1987 data suggests his
basis for doing so was erroneous. He took the results personally.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.990105002606.15627A-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
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3) MISCELLANEOUS ESSAYS
The Search for a Loophole to the Beginning of the Universe
in the Big Bang and to the Seeming-Design of Physics
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.LNX.4.10A.B3.10005292327160.25513-100000%40jabba.gl.umbc.edu
Einstein thought a super-intelligence designed physics
Genesis might mention the expansion of the universe
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96.980711003240.23871B-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
Essay on Problems with Darwin's Theory of Natural Selection
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.LNX.4.10A.B3.10005310900310.17702-100000%40jabba.gl.umbc.edu
Mujahideen: The Resistance in Afghanistan
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.4.21L.01.0101011312370.615920-100000%40irix1.gl.umbc.edu
Living Physics: A Biography of Richard Feynman
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.LNX.4.10A.B3.10003220756520.4269-100000%40jabba.gl.umbc.edu
essay on engineers' role in architecture
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.4.31L.02.0104220055390.3913733-100000%40irix1.gl.umbc.edu
Bacchiocchi chapter "Hell: Eternal Torment Or Annihilation?"
http://www2.andrews.edu/~samuele/books/immortality_resurrection/6.htm
Essay using Kevles's _In the Name of Eugenics_
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=5orcou%241eeo%40nntp6.u.washington.edu
Essay using Gould's _Wonderful Life_
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=5orcos%241eem%40nntp6.u.washington.edu
The Discovery That the Universe Is Expanding: Developments in
Theoretical and Observational Cosmology, 1915-1930
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.LNX.4.44L.01.0308140928380.13996-100000%40linux2.gl.umbc.edu
Richard H. on interpreting Genesis 1
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.981222230932.19980E-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
Berlinski's "The Deniable Darwin" on the Discovery Institute website
http://www.discovery.org/viewDB/index.php3?program=CRSC&command=view&id=130
Critique of Roe v. Wade
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.95.961103170616.15767C-100000%40umbc10.umbc.edu
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4) INTELLIGENT DESIGN
biology indicates character of what caused it
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0401122013.6f9dd130%40posting.google.com
For a correction of the Oparin citation, see
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0401291051.1300302c%40posting.google.com
omphalic YEC and blindwatchmakingist parallels
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0411270821.29ee3dd9%40posting.google.com
analysis of Hume on inferring from seeming-design the attribute of
intelligence
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3282quF3ih2arU1%40individual.net
Biology has the appearance of having been designed by intelligence.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-36pqk2F55ibnrU1%40individual.net
Dawkins vs. an atheist philosopher
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0411180756.6c069f04%40posting.google.com
1997 Robert Dorit
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0411180714.f671793%40posting.google.com
1960 C.H. Waddington, 1964 Simpson
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0411180732.d680c63%40posting.google.com
1997 Graham Bell
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0411251458.7eded865%40posting.google.com
1999 Paul Davies on nanotools in "the intricate machine we call the
living cell"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0411271934.2af28f31%40posting.google.com
1988 M.J. French on the buttercup and the locomotive; 1953 J. Huxley
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0411251245.129ea4a2%40posting.google.com
1970/1971 Jacques Monod on criteria for distinguishing "products of a
conscious purposive activity"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0411151338.444f099d%40posting.google.com
1860 Thomas H. Huxley: "one is almost involuntarily possessed by the
notion, that some more subtle aid to vision than an achromatic, would
show the hidden artist, with his plan before him, striving with skilful
manipulation to perfect his work"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0412011738.4fe29d9a%40posting.google.com
1988 Crick: "Biologists must constantly keep in mind that what they
see was not designed, but rather evolved."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0407251846.6acacaef%40posting.google.com
1995 Christian de Duve: "Foresight Excluded," "Cells are so obviously
programmed to develop according to certain lines, organs adapted to
perform certain functions, organisms suited to certain environments,
that the word _design_ almost unavoidably comes to mind."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-325tvsF3i3t01U1%40individual.net
1966 George C. Williams: "Whenever I believe that an effect is
produced as the function of an adaptation perfected by natural
selection to serve that function, I will use terms appropriate to human
artifice and conscious design." "There are convincing analogies
between bird wings and airship wings, between bridge suspensions and
skeletal suspensions, between the vascularization of a leaf and the
water supply of a city."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-31tnfkF3e6alfU2%40individual.net
1982 Francois Jacob: "The importance of Darwin's solution was to
explain by the selection of already formed structures something that
very much looks like instruction."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-320ufsF3grelkU1%40individual.net
the human hearing system: masterpiece that appears to be engineer(s)
workproduct
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-320g33F3giod4U1%40individual.net
Acoustic Engineers and Bird Alarm Calls
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.4.10A.B3.9912112245430.200386-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
1962 Oparin: "the universal 'purposiveness' of the organisation of
living beings is an objective and self-evident fact"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0407240715.2b0e119a%40posting.google.com
1999 Leigh: "creationists and antidarwinians are multiplying"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0406141942.49257583%40posting.google.com
The intelligent design hypothesis can provide for a metaphysical
research program; links to Popper.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0405050538.4f5d9820%40posting.google.com
Rana on Design Hypothesis Evidence
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0405071913.10142d50%40posting.google.com
Julie Thomas on biological design
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-329osfF3jopn9U1%40individual.net
Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.990727211344.2639819A-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
ID + common descent: A Proposal
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0404181835.d59cf7d%40posting.google.com
religious faith and common descent
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0405051933.522f5d0e%40posting.google.com
1910s remarks by Caullery, Edmund B. Wilson, and Bateson on the idea of
top-down unfolding/ [Bateson]"unpacking of an original complex which
contained within itself the whole range of diversity which living
things present"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0405161853.5f28f100%40posting.google.com
Tasks for Creationists
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.4.10A.B3.9911162135460.1502473-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
on "order" and varieties of "complexity"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0407211714.53153989%40posting.google.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0407211714.53153989%40posting.google.com
on engines, writing, and alien spacecraft
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.91.960706021635.26447D-100000%40umbc10.umbc.edu
Access Research Network (creationist site)
http://www.arn.org
Sean Pitman (creationist)
http://www.naturalselection.0catch.com
concept of "blindwatchmaking"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0401101006.38dc8f17%40posting.google.com
Dawkins on Blind Watchmaking
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0312252139.7b1d31bf%40posting.google.com
Feynman on giving all the information; Dobzhansky, Mayr, Wilson, Gould,
Futuyma, Dawkins, Sagan, Simpson
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.95.970912002214.12893C-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
Bashing Big Bang theory
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0402061734.3914cb3b%40posting.google.com
1982 Richard Morris, 1992 Antony Flew
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.990311073639.27782B-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
1966 Hannes Alfven; 1990 H.C. Arp, G. Burbidge, F. Hoyle, J.V.
Narliker, and N.C. Wickramasinghe; on Jean-Claude Pecker
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.980824234855.3753B-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
on Eric Lerner
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.95.970122231808.6380G-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
parameters of a well-grounded argument for intelligent
design of biology
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.990117234124.33617B-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
observations on debating in talk.origins
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.990322085934.13882040B-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
Dembski (a creationist): "Darwinian magic gig is now up"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0402130634.7e7e2395%40posting.google.com
Trade Secrets, Theory of Natural Selection Bibliography (Articles),
Advice to Creationists
Theory of Natural Selection Bibliography (Books)
ToC of Woodward's new book on ID's history
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.LNX.4.44L.01.0310070021180.13014-100000%40linux2.gl.umbc.edu
1988 Mayr, 1972 Vanderkooi, 1973 Allbrook (latter 2 are creationists)
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0402110525.e820a9d%40posting.google.com
2004 Marshall Berman's "Intelligent Design Creationism: A Threat to
Society - Not Just Biology"
http://www.arn.org/docs2/news/Berman012604.htm
which has a link to a PDF of the original article.
encounter of Behe (a creationist) with Denton's book
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.LNX.4.44L.01.0310070016110.13014-100000%40linux2.gl.umbc.edu
in Behe's own words
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96.980529004405.20294A-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
accounting for parallel and convergent supposed-blindwatchmaking
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.990712220140.883597C-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
Definitions:
the word "species"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0402022042.2584c45e%40posting.google.com
Gould on the notion of species as 'natural kinds'
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.LNX.4.44L.01.0309061149130.1109-100000%40linux1.gl.umbc.edu
body structure is the basis for calling something of one "kind" versus
another
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.990118235404.100720A-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
with a followup at
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.990124234421.577677C-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
meanings of "round" and "evolution"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.95.970903014308.20976E-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
legerdemain in the use of the word 'evolution'
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.990704214620.893193A-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
Ward and Ehrlich & Holm on the word "species"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.990112233000.17813A-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
Ehrlich & Ehrlich on present-day non-appearance of new animal kinds
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.4.10A.B3.9910252319240.1435666-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
views of Cuvier, d'Orbigny, and Agassiz (all creationists)
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.980819011221.8126B-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
1800s creationists came to accept that the earth is old; Raup
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.4.10A.B3.10001161617160.1771572-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
go away, young-earthism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.LNX.4.44L.01.0310190200530.8725-100000%40linux1.gl.umbc.edu
wheel found in nature; table of contents for Benyus's book
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.4.10A.B3.9911092251540.520954-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
highly-advanced 'computer' found in nature; Benyus; Tomlin
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0411131155.3c571bd5%40posting.google.com
Reasons to Believe resources, including Radio Archives
http://www.reasons.org/resources/index.shtml?main
Dawkins favors teaching of both design & evolution arguments
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.4.21L.01.0011250952260.615582-100000%40irix1.gl.umbc.edu
# of functional amino acid sequences?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.990425235307.3226566A-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
Sean P. (a creationist) on:
Stacking the Deck
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=80d0c26f.0401040827.4811a655%40posting.google.com
amino acid sequences
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=80d0c26f.0312211829.68031aac%40posting.google.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=80d0c26f.0312301019.6875127a%40posting.google.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=80d0c26f.0312181225.4c095dcd%40posting.google.com
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5) ORIGIN OF LIFE
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6) THEORY OF NATURAL SELECTION & EVOLUTION
1999 Leigh: "the primary problem with the synthesis is that its makers
established natural selection as the director of adaptive evolution by
eliminating competing explanations"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0408191912.73c050d1%40posting.google.com
Dawkins, Richard. 1989. _The Selfish Gene_ (Oxford: Oxford
University Press), 352pp., 195:
Much of what Darwin said is, in detail, wrong.
surrounding material in
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=u2k2i0dlm2htnq42avhemsueaqi7pje2mh%404ax.com
Stalin's contributions to science
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0406212039.69fbcce1%40posting.google.com
Synthetic Euphoria URLs
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-35qfcuF4rpudvU1%40individual.net
E&G's 1972 article
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.95.970329001407.19794B-100000%40umbc10.umbc.edu
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.95.970709233254.17288E-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
1980 John Durant: the secular myths of evolution have had "a damaging
effect on scientific research", leading to "distortion, to needless
controversy, and to the gross misuse of science"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0406081707.2b79a9e0%40posting.google.com
Gould's 1980 "Is a new and general theory of evolution emerging?"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0406040941.7de39c48%40posting.google.com
Agree with J. Huxley's "no"?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0405271915.6b9b6ce1%40posting.google.com
1871 Alfred W. Bennett on Mivart's arguments
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0407261736.55e8de3%40posting.google.com
1983 Jeremy Rifkin: "Darwin's theory of evolution... has enjoyed a
rather privileged position within the academic community"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0407260734.14893b70%40posting.google.com
1971 Salisbury's Doubts about the Synthetic Euphoria
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0402290951.48d08417%40posting.google.com
1967 Macbeth calls for "a full disclosure"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0405231903.3eb81283%40posting.google.com
1958 Eiseley on "careful domestic breeding"; 1863 Darwin: "the belief
in Natural Selection must at present be grounded entirely on general
considerations"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0405130534.8eee3f1%40posting.google.com
the panda's "thumb" argument
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0405181220.3a30b3b5%40posting.google.com
Gould and false dichotomy
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0403101915.25dc7a6a%40posting.google.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0401291823.78264831%40posting.google.com
Darwin: "If the death of neither man nor gnat are designed, I see no
reason to believe that their _first_ birth or production should be
necessarily designed."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0404161917.475b5fc0%40posting.google.com
Darwin to Gray on the fan-tail
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0404170630.5cb94298%40posting.google.com
Futuyma on saltation: do a "control-f"/ find for "rapp" within
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.95.970709000347.26045B-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
"theory of evolution" as conceived by Stebbins, Simpson, Sagan,
Dawkins, Julian and Thomas Henry Huxley, Futuyma, Gould, Wald, and
Haeckel
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0405050529.eeb2100%40posting.google.com
Dobzhansky, 1900 Haeckel ("the law of the persistence of matter and
force; that law knows nothing of a beginning"), and 1987 Dawkins reject
the position that intelligent design is responsible for common descent
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0401311740.48df353%40posting.google.com
1957 Bertrand Russell: "there is no reason to suppose that the world
had a beginning at all" (to get to it quickly, do a "control - f"/
find for: 1957
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=887u3v%24pe3%241%40nnrp1.deja.com
1983 Jeremy Rifkin, 1939 Luther Burbank, 2002 Judith Hooper, Darwin
Autobiography: I feel "compelled to look to a First Cause having an
intelligent mind in some degree analogous to that of man," 1921 George
Bernard Shaw
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0404070956.1db2b888%40posting.google.com
1860 T.H. Huxley on knowing "all the consequences to which all possible
combinations, continued through unlimited time, can give rise"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0402142040.31d13e07%40posting.google.com
Sara Joan Miles's "Charles Darwin and Asa Gray Discuss Teleology and
Design"
http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/2001/PSCF9-01Miles.html
1930s Dewar (a creationist), Darwin, and bears
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.95.960901020131.26306A-100000%40umbc10.umbc.edu
1950 Anthony Standen on analogies in biology
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0403301036.7be3ee37%40posting.google.com
1915 Edmund Wilson
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0404012157.387ae93e%40posting.google.com
the problem of evil: 1921 George Bernard Shaw, 1997 Phillip E. Johnson
(a creationist), link to 1967 Dobzhansky
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0403232133.8702bad%40posting.google.com
1967 Dobzhansky on the problem of evil
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0401260957.1a5b69fc%40posting.google.com
historical background to rise and fall of the Synthetic Euphoria; 1936
A. Franklin Shull
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0403271329.1e569adf%40posting.google.com
1939 Darlington on "violent discontinuity" in origin of meiosis, sex
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0403211957.32de5a36%40posting.google.com
1916 Caullery: "data of Mendelism embarrass us"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0403191919.590c22e3%40posting.google.com
1937 Goldschmidt on winning souls for Darwin
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0403131825.1eefa6ee%40posting.google.com
fruit fly URLs
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0403082115.67a4b153%40posting.google.com
Robert Jastrow Speaks
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96.980502234441.3024B-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
1950 Anthony Standen on the T0E
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0403061926.298a316f%40posting.google.com
the fraud known as the fossil horse series
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.980816003836.28616B-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
Macbeth on phylogeny trees
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.990126225603.790598A-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
1977 G&E on diagrams and the uninitiated
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.91.960722001816.872M%40umbc8.umbc.edu
1980 Gould on the tips and nodes of trees
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.95.970901005523.14415B-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
2001 Bernard d'Abrera
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0403032014.15573cd3%40posting.google.com
Inferring from similar sequences a common author
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96.980602004254.9289B-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
1979 Gould & Lewontin on Darwin's sainthood
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96.980525231720.5351B-100000%40umbc10.umbc.edu
1995 George Johnson on "an evolutionary Just So story"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.981207224209.13544B-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
Gould lied for Darwin with the reference being _An Urchin in the Storm_
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.95.970728093741.24782C-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
1996 David Cox (a creationist)
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96.980611233722.19633C-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
Coyne and Feynman on Santa Claus
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.981124234529.22878A-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
Coyne: classic peppered moth story "is in bad shape, and, while not yet
ready for the glue factory, needs serious attention"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0402230510.519fe8a1%40posting.google.com
T0E good for study of morphogenesis?: Goodwin
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0402230503.56fa7a7%40posting.google.com
T0E good for taxonomy?: 1973 Fairbairn (a creationist); 1982 Colin
Patterson; 5 November 1981 Patterson
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0402161147.29fee40e%40posting.google.com
1933 and 1940 Goldschmidt on macro- vs. microevolution
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0401311639.3dc8e050%40posting.google.com
1982 Gould on Frazetta's snakes and Long's rodents
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0401311711.7a718a17%40posting.google.com
Popper
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.990701213746.698847A-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
1952 Goldschmidt; analogy of earth's reversal of direction in the
unrecorded past; 1953 Martin
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.95.970810221802.13362E-100000%40umbc10.umbc.edu
1952 Goldschmidt on the theory of NS's "crazy-quilt" prediction;
creationist Behe recommends research on a
intelligent-design-of-common-descent hypothesis
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0401271936.9a5dfd2%40posting.google.com
Gould: Goldschmidt was one of the premier geneticists of our century
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.95.970728093741.24782C-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
Sean P. (a creationist) on Dawkins's "Methinks it is like a weasel"
illustration
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0401142214.3c4c92b0%40posting.google.com
1970 Chauvin on "childhood hypotheses of biology"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.LNX.4.44L.01.0311281553180.20099-100000%40linux2.gl.umbc.edu
1990 Bengtson on Cambrian explosion
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0312062024.ed6b5eb%40posting.google.com
1979 Futuyma: "ultra-modern synthesis" needed
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.990307202439.1296706B-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
1963 Ehrlich & Holm on faith in the ToE
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96.980608234330.51A-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
ReMine, and Birch & Ehrlich on the unfalsifiability of the ToE
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.990620062330.18490880A-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
1960 (+1957) Waddington: theory of NS invokes "a Maxwell demon"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.LNX.4.44L.01.0311250005200.7036-100000%40linux2.gl.umbc.edu
Mark Ludwig and computer viruses
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96.980207214705.12692A-100000%40umbc10.umbc.edu
1992 Orr & Coyne on Fisher
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.95.970329001049.19794A-100000%40umbc10.umbc.edu
1992 _American Naturalist_ paper by Orr & Coyne
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96.980614220859.6338A-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
1992 vs. 1960 Mayr
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.4.44L.01.0309211728220.3046858-100000%40irix2.gl.umbc.edu
Simpson and Dobzhansky on the need for a mechanism,
Dawkins on mutation, Gordon Rattray Taylor and David Raup on
explosive radiations, Arthur Koestler on testing Darwinian and
Lamarckian theory by experiment
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=8beptq%24hgk%241%40nnrp1.deja.com
1953 George Gaylord Simpson on different mutations getting together
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0406092025.6cda0564%40posting.google.com
Dawkins, Catley on the coming Kuhnian revolution, Collingridge & Earthy
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.981113234219.18273B-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
Macbeth on Faulty Extrapolation in Darwin's Theory of Natural Selection
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.LNX.4.44L.01.0308240006280.21425-100000%40linux2.gl.umbc.edu
fallacy of false extrapolation
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.4.44L.01.0309100834320.2240460-100000%40irix2.gl.umbc.edu
better conception of faulty extrapolation
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.LNX.4.44L.01.0309142357280.7954-100000%40linux3.gl.umbc.edu
1950 Anthony Standen on the T0E
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0403061926.298a316f%40posting.google.com
1970 Mayr on organisms' observed resistance to change
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.4.44L.01.0309181335410.2863259-100000%40irix2.gl.umbc.edu
1980 Rensberger, 1980 Alberch
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=8bepfm%24h45%241%40nnrp1.deja.com
fruit flies, 1978 Hampton Carson, 1978 Koestler
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=8dbdpj%24p14%241%40nnrp1.deja.com
indigestion with the Synthefish
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96.980609231835.5454A-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
1870 Alfred W. Bennett
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0401011924.3e7a32f5%40posting.google.com
1932 Newman: theory of NS "falls far short of adequacy"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.LNX.4.44L.01.0311222228300.23433-100000%40linux3.gl.umbc.edu
Dobzhansky's 1937 redefinition of "evolution"; Radl in English in 1930
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.981011235608.19729A-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
how has the theory of NS survived?:
Grasse, C. P. Martin, Berlinski, 1929 D. M. S. Watson
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96.980608234718.51C-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
Erik Nordenskiold, 1922 Wilhelm Johannsen, 1869 Louis Agassiz (a
creationist)
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.981004230112.14734B-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
1925 Louis Trenchard More
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0312292155.468c11bd%40posting.google.com
1982 Saunders & Ho and Gould on neo-Darwinian vagueness; 1925 Osborn;
1940 Haldane on materialism; 1996 and 1995 Dawkins and 1960 J. Huxley
on slow rate and gradual nature of Darwinian NS; abstract of and
extracts from 1977 G&E _Paleobiology_ paper
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0312182040.1e80e3b8%40posting.google.com
1922 Bateson, Lerner, Orwell
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.990810225527.4089209B-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
1922 Bateson, Gould on the major synthesists, 1982 Saunders & Ho
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.990131235540.126906A-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
Chris N. discusses my theory of NS essay; 1987 Powell; gradualism and
J. Huxley, Dawkins, Schindewolf, Mayr, Lovtrup, 1913 Bateson
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.4.10A.B3.10004021232370.15068389-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
1893 Weismann
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.LNX.4.10A.B3.9911282317410.13320-100000%40jabba.gl.umbc.edu
1959 Gertrude Himmelfarb on 1871 Darwin backtracking; 1892 Henry de
Varigny
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0312222212.4728f71b%40posting.google.com
1871 Darwin backtracks a bit on his theory of NS
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.LNX.4.44L.01.0310120131230.26092-100000%40linux1.gl.umbc.edu
1998 Steele, Lindley, & Blanden praise Berlinski
1981 Francis Crick: "plausibility is not enough," is "usually
contaminated with our unstated prejudices"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0312241905.3fa22296%40posting.google.com
1981 Francis Crick: "there is too much speculation running after too
few facts"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0410041659.1c8da045%40posting.google.com
1st post in thread "Naive ?s on the Blindwatchmaker Thesis"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0312242003.1777307%40posting.google.com
2nd post, on common descent
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0312262134.70086e1b%40posting.google.com&oe=UTF-8
1st post in thread "Mind-Created Nested Hierarchies"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0312212155.7cacc078%40posting.google.com&oe=UTF-8
1961 Litynski: the French rejected the theory of natural selection
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0312132138.4484341e%40posting.google.com
1982 Schindel: "gradual morphological transitions... are missing"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0312132052.d07eb6e%40posting.google.com
Simpson misled 1995 Cheetham
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0312080520.163bc617%40posting.google.com
1980 Eldredge: "time to reexamine" theory of NS
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.LNX.4.44L.01.0311302356490.22520-100000%40linux3.gl.umbc.edu
1977 G&E, in Students Refusing to Eat the Rotting Synthefish
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.990809215300.1512874G-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
NIEH
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96.980604010337.18472C-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
Koestler, Waddington, Dobzhansky, and a remark for Gould
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96.980606011626.8316A-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
R.H. Brady
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.4.10A.B3.9910122240220.1584938-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
Brady and Waddington on tautology
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.LNX.4.10A.B3.9910102327070.29158-100000%40jabba.gl.umbc.edu
Gould's 1980 rejection of the extrapolationist model; 1981 Lovtrup; a
fossil record request for Andrew M.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.990222232808.1486760C-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
1991 Eldredge on _Archaeopteryx_
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.95.970731000322.23196D-100000%40umbc10.umbc.edu
a scenario on getting the blindwatchmaking thesis through peer-review
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.95.970724000528.22439B-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
1979 Futuyma on gradualism, _Archaeopteryx_
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.990125233303.654987B-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
Schindewolf; Simpson on bats
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.LNX.4.10A.B3.10001222211190.17988-100000%40jabba.gl.umbc.edu
needs more work: Fatally Flawed: Vestigial Organs, Biogeography,
Homology,
and Embryology as Evidence for the Theory of Evolution
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.4.44L.01.0305250118100.2340516-100000%40irix2.gl.umbc.edu
_Basilosaurus_'s purported vestigial leg
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.95.970709233733.17288H-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
Mayr and G. Nelson & N. Platnick on biogeography
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.990719222253.1868077A-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
Bogus 'Vestigial Leg' Claims
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.LNX.4.10A.B3.9910142302001.6397-100000%40jabba.gl.umbc.edu
1983 Daniel Brooks
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.990628151138.260287C-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
1971 Roy Danson
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.980927230308.15518C-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
1992 1997 Richard Milton
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.LNX.4.44L.01.0311082031310.9519-100000%40linux1.gl.umbc.edu
followup questions for a talk.origins heavy hitter
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.LNX.4.44L.01.0311160022220.23666-100000%40linux1.gl.umbc.edu
questions on Larry's "The Modern Synthesis of Genetics and Evolution"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0404121927.4b34084b%40posting.google.com
Steven Stanley, David Woodruff, R.D. Martin
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.990810224526.4184761C-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
Goldschmidt's 1940 challenge to neo-Darwinists
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.4.10A.B3.9910222320320.1712214-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
Simpson on rapidity/ "quantum evolution"; P. Johnson (a creationist) on
Dawkins's bluster
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.4.10A.B3.10001152331430.1317621-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
1996 Torbjorn Fagerstrom, Peter Jagers, Peter Schuster, & Eors
Szathmary
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.LNX.4.10A.B3.10001122031240.8486-100000%40jabba.gl.umbc.edu
H.E. Green
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96.980517234017.19252B-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
Edmund Leach
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.990108222710.16677D-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
T0E is falsified, unfalsifiable; Jerry Adler & John Carey's comment
about Balkan prime ministers; Richard Milner
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.95.970724000800.22592B-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
1987 Wallace Arthur
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.LNX.4.21L.01.0007210001340.12641-100000%40jabba.gl.umbc.edu
did Gould lie for Darwin?; Gould notes that there is continuing
controversy about _how_ blindwatchmaking can occur
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.95.970709000645.26045D-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
Kevin Padian
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.LNX.4.21L.01.0011232014001.12280-100000%40linux2.gl.umbc.edu
Begley on cracks in the facade
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96.980315232017.21172A-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
Sagan & Druyan
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.LNX.4.10A.B3.9910292306060.23045-100000%40jabba.gl.umbc.edu
hominid fossils: John Reader, Jonathan Howard, Robert Martin,
Richard Milner, G&E
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.95.970719003518.27334A-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
Ager, Eldredge & Tattersall
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.990509232910.38199A-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
Douglas Erwin takes a jab at Dawkins
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.LNX.4.44L.01.0310251702280.20106-100000%40linux2.gl.umbc.edu
1969 Frank Salisbury
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.95.970806015202.17075A-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
1999 Jeffrey Schwartz
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.4.31L.02.0108010937030.271781-100000%40irix1.gl.umbc.edu
Gordon Rattray Taylor
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.95.970714005739.2969L-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
Wesson's _Beyond Natural Selection_
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.LNX.4.44L.01.0310170022580.13465-100000%40linux2.gl.umbc.edu
2 mentions of Wesson in R. Morris and G. Johnson, Shermer, Goodwin
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.LNX.4.44L.01.0310210019270.25956-100000%40linux2.gl.umbc.edu
some mentions of Wesson on the web
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.LNX.4.44L.01.0310262325120.19582-100000%40linux1.gl.umbc.edu
1983 John McDonald
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96.980530001102.4784B-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
Stove, Franklin
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.4.10A.B3.9911040912361.2450231-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
1961 Rostand
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.LNX.4.44L.01.0310280012200.31488-100000%40linux3.gl.umbc.edu
rapidity and: Kemp reviewing a Stanley book, Futuyma, ReMine (a
creationist)
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.990817184618.974150B-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
1993 Walter ReMine on terraforming
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.990604150603.1454147A-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
Stanley on punk-eek bringing joy to the hearts of creationists
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.95.970709000347.26045B-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
about Hsu
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96.980422000741.15045A-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
abstract of Hsu's "Darwin's three mistakes"; Hsu quoting Ernst Chain
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96.980426214908.24131A-100000%40umbc10.umbc.edu
Hsu "almost tempted to join my colleague, Paul Feyerabend"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-35lfj3F4ojm7rU1%40individual.net
1989 Christopher Wills on insignificance of known cases of gradual
'evolution' in fossil record
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=8bhf4m%24eta%241%40nnrp1.deja.com
du Nouy, Hoyle & Wickramasinghe, Hoyle
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.LNX.4.21L.01.0008280023040.30799-100000%40jabba.gl.umbc.edu
Robinow, Lipson
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.980901001254.2980C-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
1966 White
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.990214111525.14909A-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
gradualism and: 1980 Eldredge, 1980 Gould, 1995 Gould
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.980923234116.21653A-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
Simpson, Eldredge in _Synthese_, Ager, Corner, Rosen, Grasse,
Patterson, Raup, Stanley
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.981222231509.19980I-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
Gould's "conflated with natural selection" remark
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.981018235616.9626A-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
J. Gray on Darwinian orthodoxy; White
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.990127225856.924057A-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
Joe Lurker and Hayward (both creationists) on unorthodoxy
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.990131234421.129749A-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
1966 (not '67) Wistar Symposium
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.95.970812001743.19938D-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
Schutzenberger:
wasn't a creationist; options for the blindwatchmakingist
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96.980527000035.6222A-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
_Commentary_ letter
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96.980505233721.19820A-100000%40umbc10.umbc.edu
1966 Wistar symposium paper
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96.980504231554.22521A-100000%40umbc10.umbc.edu
interview part 1 of 2
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96.980512014917.3590B-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
interview part 2 of 2
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96.980512015253.3590C-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
Grene on Schindewolf; Margulis; Calder; Gould on hogwash in
evolutionary theory
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.95.970721233453.16211D-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
Margulis; Gould on paedomorphosis
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.95.970805010133.12918J-100000%40umbc10.umbc.edu
neo-Darwinists' _ad hoc_ "record's imperfect" excuse:
Saunders & Ho, Hitching
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.LNX.4.10A.B3.9911070756040.20708-100000%40jabba.gl.umbc.edu
1988 Lima-de-Faria
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.990727211504.2639819B-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
Rosen
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.980913231459.8446A-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
1944 J. Huxley, 1986 Lewin, 1985 Kemp, 1991 Lewontin
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.4.10A.B3.9909011608210.1038433-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
von Bertalanffy
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.4.10A.B3.9912252146070.602910-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
more von Bertalanffy
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.4.10A.B3.9912252143380.602910-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
H. Graham Cannon
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.LNX.4.10A.B3.9911222044330.19223-100000%40jabba.gl.umbc.edu
Cannon was a creationist; Of Pandas and People
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.LNX.4.10A.B3.9911082221330.16551-100000%40jabba.gl.umbc.edu
1931 Dewar (a creationist) and Koestler on eggs, need for
accumulation & integration of beneficial mutations
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.LNX.4.21L.01.0011192246500.983-100000%40linux1.gl.umbc.edu
Endler & McLellan
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.981129232400.13409D-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
1970 Mayr, 1980 Gorman, 1982 and 1980 Rensberger, 1980 Lewin, 1981
Ruse, 1981 Jastrow, 1976 Bethell, 1982 Hitching
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.4.21L.01.0009120411410.1773811-100000%40irix2.gl.umbc.edu
Raup's letter to _Science_
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.990626223450.19598328B-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
1996 _Developmental Biology_ paper by Gilbert, Opitz, & Raff
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96.980602230744.671C-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
1993 Ernst Mayr, 1996 Gilbert, Opitz, & Raff, 1997 Boyce Rensberger
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.980901001930.2980I-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
Hitching, Begley, 1929 D.M.S. Watson
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96.980315232017.21172A-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
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7) MATERIALISM
1993 Mark Ludwig on arrogant materialism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96.980225181424.16839B-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
Dallas Willard: "science says nothing. It is not the kind of thing
that can say anything. Only scientists say things...."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0407260437.2d8959da%40posting.google.com
Koster: scientific atheism is an idea whose time is gone
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0406212033.90a39c1%40posting.google.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0406230445.7cff0545%40posting.google.com
1997 Edward O. Wilson: "scientific materialism explains vastly more of
the tangible world.... Its discoveries suggest that, like it or not,
we are alone. We must measure and judge ourselves, and we will decide
our own destiny."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0408121848.fb6ab07%40posting.google.com
Sagan and Epicurus
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0407201818.54c23af1%40posting.google.com
Sagan on "the central finding of modern biology"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0408090536.64a1b388%40posting.google.com
1949 Simpson: "man is the result of a purposeless materialistic
process that did not have him in mind"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0407211226.2988d48b%40posting.google.com
1987 Dawkins: "the whole _point_ of the theory of evolution by natural
selection was that it provided a _non_-miraculous account of the
existence of complex adaptations"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0407280430.4459fca3%40posting.google.com
1957 Julian Huxley on _Religion without Revelation_
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0407270344.53d3af56%40posting.google.com
1982 Stebbins: "evolution [i.e. blindwatchmaking] was opportunistic and
devoid of purpose"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0407220448.59612c65%40posting.google.com
Can anybody think of data that would lead a devout materialist to cease
to [1923 J. Huxley]"reject any explanation which proceeds... by
miracles"?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.990818214806.410371A-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
probably very early 1960s._Fundamentals of Marxism-Leninism: Manual_ on
materialist philosophy
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0406291759.69949980%40posting.google.com
1962 Oparin: "embittered war which has been waged between the two
irreconcilable philosophic camps of idealism and materialism"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0407240610.4ae98f%40posting.google.com
1940 Haldane on materialism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=s0c890946imhfig6q7uq1cid7hhj68ppbs%404ax.com
2003 Dawkins conundrum; 2004 Francisco J. Ayala; 1845 Marx: "a society
consisting only of atheists is possible"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0406201230.66ad3150%40posting.google.com
Yahya and Koster on the use of fear and force
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0407030811.4e8cd1bd%40posting.google.com
Ronald Numbers on Dennett
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=6hihi0pd6bbh9minslv76qrvmrpr3aea7m%404ax.com
Dennett: Baptists ought to be put in cages
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0406241903.4c152fe7%40posting.google.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0407101059.ab87e1f%40posting.google.com
1997 Nicholas Humphrey
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0406081943.625bd70c%40posting.google.com
Andrew Brown's comments on Humphrey
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0406131334.2de61508%40posting.google.com
1979 Futuyma on "the positive implications of Darwinism"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0407231747.5c38b6ef%40posting.google.com
murders attributable to atheism and atheists
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0408190521.1f35e85e%40posting.google.com
Klinghoffer's "Worshipers At The Secular Altar"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0410120549.37264dde%40posting.google.com
about James Dwyer, [Humphrey]"whose critique of the idea of parents'
rights stands as a model of philosophical and legal reasoning"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0410041757.39f6608e%40posting.google.com
Dawkins: children being [Dawkins]"given religious instruction in
whatever particular religion their parents deem suitable" constitutes
[Dawkins]"mental child abuse"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0409100307.a0643a2%40posting.google.com
2004 Dawkins on "the time-consuming, wealth-consuming,
hostility-provoking, fecundity-forfeiting rituals of religion"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0409021642.4830e330%40posting.google.com
Dobzhansky and Simpson on bigotry
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.4.10A.B3.9908202237180.716616-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
Peter S. Williams, "Darwin's Rottweiler and the Public Understanding
of
Scientism"
http://www.arn.org/docs/williams/pw_dawkinsfallacies.htm
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8) SOCIAL DARWINISM
[Humanist Manifesto II, at
<http://www.americanhumanist.org/about/manifesto2.html>]"THIRD: We
affirm that moral values derive their source from human experience.
Ethics is autonomous and situational needing no theological or
ideological sanction. Ethics stems from human need and interest."
[Humanist Manifesto III, at
<http://www.americanhumanist.org/3/HumandItsAspirations.htm>]"The
lifestance of Humanism-- guided by reason, inspired by compassion, and
informed by experience-- encourages us to live life well and fully. It
evolved through the ages and continues to develop through the efforts
of thoughtful people who recognize that values and ideals, however
carefully wrought, are subject to change as our knowledge and
understandings advance."
1998 Morain & Morain: "humanism.... frees one from guilt," 1989
Frederick Edwords, 1976 "A New Bill of Sexual Rights and
Responsibilities"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0409201821.588252b6%40posting.google.com
1976 Ronald Reagan on a "natural law"/ "higher law of morality"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0412021517.f5e01d1%40posting.google.com
1995 Dennett: "Darwinian thinking helps us see why the traditional
hope of solving these problems (finding a moral algorithm) is forlorn"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0408021033.78218bde%40posting.google.com
Secular humanism has everything to do with abortion and euthanasia.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0408161826.47fa8898%40posting.google.com
convert to secular humanism to enjoy guiltless sexual activity of many
varieties
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0409241109.17e2611d%40posting.google.com
1998 Lloyd and Mary Morain: "religion is a vital part of the lives of
many, and it gives every indication of continuing to be so"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0408300540.7b13d3a%40posting.google.com
1998 Lloyd and Mary Morain on "Religion and the Religious Attitude";
text of Humanist Manifesto I
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0408300540.7b13d3a%40posting.google.com
Convert to secular humanism and you, too, can worship mankind/
humankind/ humanity, of which you yourself happen to be a part.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0408161700.2c671238%40posting.google.com
1989 Frederick Edwords: "The most critical irony in dealing with
Modern Humanism is the inability of its advocates to agree on whether
or not this worldview is religious."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0409260357.69af867e%40posting.google.com
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9) IRAQ
pre 9/11 Bodansky on Saddam Hussein -- al Qaeda connection
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0410310429.7c879e44%40posting.google.com
Halpern and Franks: a connection between Saddam and al Qaeda
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0410181916.406c976b%40posting.google.com
2002 Pollack on horrific brutality of the Saddam regime
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0410210733.27b1a49d%40posting.google.com
1993 Kanan Makiya's interview with Taimour
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0410270611.342725d0%40posting.google.com
pre-1982 poisoning of an Iraqi chemist
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0410251916.425f3ca2%40posting.google.com
2003 Kaplan & Kristol on tyranny in Iraq
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0410250243.6567731b%40posting.google.com
1990 David Korn on human rights in Iraq
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0410301923.52e4dab5%40posting.google.com
2002 Pollack: Saddam ran the whole show in Iraq with respect to
inflicting terror on the Iraqi people
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0410230431.85d547%40posting.google.com
Saddam ran the whole show in Iraq with respect to Iraq's WMD interests:
at
http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd_2004/
the "Key Findings" PDF, specifically its opening "Key Findings"
section. To understand the basis for the report, read the "Note on
Methodological Approach" section.
French ruse to dupe U.S. over Iraq
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0409060917.3e15f487%40posting.google.com
Saunders and Dale on WMDs
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0410160816.6d02034b%40posting.google.com
Krauthammer on WMDs: "given what every intelligence agency on
the planet agreed was going on in Iraq, the president made the right
choice, indeed the only choice"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0409061546.2570d71e%40posting.google.com
Clifford May's 21 October 2004 "No Diversion: The Case Against the War
in Iraq Has Weakened"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0410250312.9543d81%40posting.google.com
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Are Jews one of several [Darwin]"races"?
Darwin, Charles. 1859. _On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural
Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for
Life_ (London: John Murray), 513pp.
Do individuals of Jewish ancestry collectively qualify as a
[Darwin]"rac[e]"?
Do individuals of Jewish ancestry collectively qualify as a
[Darwin]"rac[e]" subject to [Darwin]"natural selection"?
Are individuals of Jewish ancestry one of several [Darwin]"races"
engaged [Darwin]"in the Struggle for Life"?
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Hitler: law of selection justifies incessant struggle/ war
http://groups.google.co.in/group/talk.origins/msg/6ab79a88a19145a0?
1940 Nazi film "All Life is Struggle" embraced Darwinian natural
selection
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0407042043.1c2ccf1f%40posting.google.com
excerpts from a 1942 Nazi biology textbook for the middle school
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/textbk01.htm
1942 Heydrich:
The Jews... no doubt a large part of them will be
eliminated by natural diminution. The survivors, the
hardiest among them, must be given an appropriate
treatment, because they represent a natural selection....
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0407032023.243f5883%40posting.google.com
2004 Richard Weikart: "physicians... were committed to a racist
eugenics ideology that the Nazis favored"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0407120310.7d3f3929%40posting.google.com
Hitler encounters the T0E: A Victory for Atheism
http://groups.google.co.in/group/talk.origins/msg/e9b71ae73bcf99a3?
Essay on Problems with Darwin's Theory of Natural Selection
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.LNX.4.10A.B3.10005310900310.17702-100000%40jabba.gl.umbc.edu
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12 Sep 2005 01:10:01 AM |
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Cometh the hour, cometh "david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu>
who, with imperceptibly subtle footwork in alt.atheism, gave us this:
what I do all the time:
do a control-f/ "find" on a somewhat-distinctive word to locate the URL
you want:
Why don't you theists just accept you don't know what you're talking
about instead of lying about everything?
Thanks, also, for explaining how you harvest your lies. Why don't you
just ***** and read some books instead of crapping out your
Hitlerian/Christian book-burning mentality in Usenet?
Cthulhu says "tortured souls are tough and taste rather sour. Be happy, die happy, make me a happy eater.
:-)
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| User: "david ford" |
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| Title: Re: evolution and "materialism" |
14 Sep 2005 10:07:11 PM |
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Fraud's personal Cthulhu wrote:
Cometh the hour, cometh "david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu>
who, with imperceptibly subtle footwork in alt.atheism, gave us this:
what I do all the time:
do a control-f/ "find" on a somewhat-distinctive word to locate the URL
you want:
Why don't you theists just accept you don't know what you're talking
about instead of lying about everything?
I "don't know what" I'm "talking about."
Thanks, also, for explaining how you harvest your lies. Why don't you
just ***** and read some books instead of crapping out your
Hitlerian/Christian book-burning mentality in Usenet?
Please rephrase your question, without using the word "why."
Fischer, David Hackett. 1970. _Historians' Fallacies: Toward a Logic
of Historical Thought_ (NY and Evanston: Harper & Row, Publishers),
338pp. On 14, a paragraph:
These [just-discussed questions] are urgent questions, and they are
empirical questions, which can be put to the test. The reader will
note that none of them are "why" questions. In my opinion-- and I
may be a minority of one-- that favorite adverb of historians
should be consigned to the semantical rubbish heap. A "why"
question tends to become a metaphysical question. It is also an
imprecise question, for the adverb "why" is slippery and difficult
to define. Sometimes it seeks a cause, sometimes a motive,
sometimes a reason, sometimes a description, sometimes a process,
sometimes a purpose, sometimes a justification. A "why" question
lacks direction and clarity; it dissipates a historian's energies
and interests. "Why did the Civil War happen?" "Why was Lincoln
shot?" A working historian receives no clear signals from these
woolly interrogatories as to which way to proceed, how to begin,
what kinds of evidence will answer the problem, and indeed what
kind of problem is raised. There many more practical adverbs--
who, when, where, what, how-- which are more specific and more
satisfactory. Questions of this sort _can_ be resolved
empirically, and from them a skilled historian can construct a
project with much greater sophistication, relevance, accuracy,
precision, and utility, instead of wasting his time with
metaphysical dilemmas raised by his profound "why" questions, which
have often turned out to be about as deep as the River Platte.
Cthulhu says "tortured souls are tough and taste rather sour. Be happy, die happy, make me a happy eater.
:-)
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| User: "t1gercat" |
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| Title: Re: evolution and "materialism" |
14 Sep 2005 10:40:42 PM |
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david ford wrote:
Fraud's personal Cthulhu wrote:
Cometh the hour, cometh "david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu>
who, with imperceptibly subtle footwork in alt.atheism, gave us this:
what I do all the time:
do a control-f/ "find" on a somewhat-distinctive word to locate the URL
you want:
Why don't you theists just accept you don't know what you're talking
about instead of lying about everything?
I "don't know what" I'm "talking about."
Thanks, also, for explaining how you harvest your lies. Why don't you
just ***** and read some books instead of crapping out your
Hitlerian/Christian book-burning mentality in Usenet?
Please rephrase your question, without using the word "why."
Fischer, David Hackett. 1970. _Historians' Fallacies: Toward a Logic
of Historical Thought_ (NY and Evanston: Harper & Row, Publishers),
338pp. On 14, a paragraph:
These [just-discussed questions] are urgent questions, and they are
empirical questions, which can be put to the test. The reader will
note that none of them are "why" questions. In my opinion-- and I
may be a minority of one-- that favorite adverb of historians
should be consigned to the semantical rubbish heap. A "why"
question tends to become a metaphysical question. It is also an
imprecise question, for the adverb "why" is slippery and difficult
to define. Sometimes it seeks a cause, sometimes a motive,
sometimes a reason, sometimes a description, sometimes a process,
sometimes a purpose, sometimes a justification. A "why" question
lacks direction and clarity; it dissipates a historian's energies
and interests. "Why did the Civil War happen?" "Why was Lincoln
shot?" A working historian receives no clear signals from these
woolly interrogatories as to which way to proceed, how to begin,
what kinds of evidence will answer the problem, and indeed what
kind of problem is raised. There many more practical adverbs--
who, when, where, what, how-- which are more specific and more
satisfactory. Questions of this sort _can_ be resolved
empirically, and from them a skilled historian can construct a
project with much greater sophistication, relevance, accuracy,
precision, and utility, instead of wasting his time with
metaphysical dilemmas raised by his profound "why" questions, which
have often turned out to be about as deep as the River Platte.
The essay is Sophistry. "Who," "What" or "How" are just as imprecise
and slippery as "Why." In fact they're worse because they imply
precision but offer none. "Why" is honestly open-ended, begging more
than one answer, if more than one is necessary. Let's take one of the
author's weak examples -- "Who assassinated Lincoln?" If we answer
John Wilkes Booth, we're correct, assuming the witnesses didn't lie.
But "Who" can also be answered in terms of a conspiracy, and suddenly
we're mired in a mixture of fact and conjecture. In any event, "Who
shot Lincoln?" is no better a question than "Why was Lincoln shot?" The
"why," in fact, would seem be a corolary of the "who," anyway. Once we
know "who" and "how," the "why," when answered with support from facts,
provides the logic of the episode.
Wexford
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: evolution and "materialism" |
14 Sep 2005 10:33:05 PM |
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david ford wrote:
["snip"]
I "don't know what" I'm "talking about."
"No" "'*****'" "."
---DP"M"
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| User: "shane" |
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14 Sep 2005 11:10:32 PM |
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wrote:
david ford wrote:
["snip"]
I "don't know what" I'm "talking about."
"No" "'*****'" "."
---DP"M"
">"
Actually, just the opposite, tons of it.
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| User: "maff" |
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| Title: Re: evolution and "materialism" |
12 Sep 2005 02:27:00 AM |
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david ford wrote:
[...]
Nah. Your links are worthless, Christian fascist idiot.
David Ford
http://snipurl.com/d6r4
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Scientific creationism: a religious dogma combining massive ignorance
with incredible arrogance.
Creationist: (1) One who follows creationism. (2) A moron. (3) A person
incapable of doing math. (4) A liar. (5) A very gullible true believer.
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