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31 Oct 2005 04:21:18 AM |
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Re: Evolution has become a state religion |
<iftikhargul@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Atheism is also a belief in non-existance of God
Nope. Stop lying about atheists.
and all beleivers in
atheism very strongly defend their belief, call it their narrow
mindedness or enlightment, it is no different than the passion people
expresses in their religious beliefs such as christianity.
I see: you now think you speak for all atheists as well as all Christians.
Fascinating symptom.
I separated
all beliefs including atheism. Looks like you are a narrow minded
person incapable of understanding intelligent arguments. Calling people
liars without provocation shows that you need to grow up.
You are still lying about atheism. Atheists don't have 'a belief in [the]
non-existance [sic] of God [sic]': the very *notion* of that specific
god-fantasy - one of countless thousands of such fantasies, all of them
completely without evidential support - *simply has no meaning* outside of
the (in your tradition's case) Biblical belief system. Furthermore,
'strength of conviction' or 'passion' are not in any sense proof of
'religion'; and rational belief founded on an evidential basis is NOT the
same as proudly and determinedly counter-factual 'religious faith'. So I
repeat: *Atheism is not a religion*.
God-deluded people and their appeasers continually try to bring these silly
superstitions before non-believers -- and these non-believers respond by
saying (i) that there is not the slightest evidence for any of the thousands
of different god-fantasies that have swarmed and multiplied in the darkness
of the primitive mind; and (ii) that an overwhelming mass of modern human
knowledge makes the existence of every one of these 'gods' completely
implausible, even where the actual claims of a given 'religion' aren't
ridiculous on strictly logical grounds. Atheism is as much a 'religion' as
*your rational and principled and determined refusal to believe in the
Easter Bunny* is 'a religion'. Atheism is merely *a position adopted with
regard to a religious issue*. And if you can't see the difference between
those two things, then you are pitiful as well as despicable.
Katt.
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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06 Nov 2005 11:36:48 AM |
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On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 08:55:51 -0800, in alt.atheism
(Jason) wrote in
<jason-0611050855510001@pm1-broad-71.snlo.dialup.fix.net>:
In article <oo1sm1ppgnetea23ohcn6brq8qj8fomuen@4ax.com>, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 22:07:21 -0800, (Jason) wrote:
In article <v95rm15j8keh4vvf0t2r4m9bo4l0m6ibnc@4ax.com>, Just Cocky
<just@cocky.com> wrote:
On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 11:44:11 -0800, (Jason) wrote:
When I was in high school, the teachers spent more time teaching from the
textbooks than from prepared lectures.
This, in and of itself, probably explains to a significant degree the
source of your ignorance.
That's funny. I only wish my parents were rich enough to send me to a
Christian school where I could have had the freedom to learn about
creation science and evolution. Instead, the high school biology
teacher tried to brainwash us by teaching us evolution. The brain-
washing worked well on most of the people in this newsgroup. I guess
that my bad teachers were not very good brainwashers.
Now there is a closed mind!
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County
Les,
I believe that a desire to learn about both creation science and evolution
is evidence of an open mind.
What other religions do you have a desire to learn about?
Aside from 'Creation Science' what other mystical pseudosciences do you
want to learn about? Astrology? Geomancy?
Forcing children in public schools to learn
only about evolution is evidence of schools wanting the children to have
closed mind.
You can make that claim all you like, but that will never make it true.
Refusing to teach a religious doctrine in a science class is not
evidence of a closed mind and never will be. If you can ever provide
scientific evidence to support any of the claims of Creation Science,
then, and only then, it can be considered for inclusion. Until then, it
is
Have you seen the posts that were written by evolutionists?
Those that refuse to do some research or read a book related to creation
science have a closed mind.
More nonsense. I am quite well versed in Creation Science. I learned it
quite well in my church as a child. I also learned that people who
really want to believe will misrepresent facts to make them fit
doctrines. When you can present facts that _fit_ creation science, then
you have something to say, until then, you are merely bearinf false
witness.
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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06 Nov 2005 10:54:48 AM |
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On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 22:07:21 -0800, in alt.atheism
(Jason) wrote in
<jason-0511052207210001@pm4-broad-31.snlo.dialup.fix.net>:
In article <v95rm15j8keh4vvf0t2r4m9bo4l0m6ibnc@4ax.com>, Just Cocky
<just@cocky.com> wrote:
On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 11:44:11 -0800, (Jason) wrote:
When I was in high school, the teachers spent more time teaching from the
textbooks than from prepared lectures.
This, in and of itself, probably explains to a significant degree the
source of your ignorance.
That's funny. I only wish my parents were rich enough to send me to a
Christian school where I could have had the freedom to learn about
creation science and evolution.
Creation Science is intentional ignorance. There is absolutely no
physical evidence to support this doctrine.
Instead, the high school biology
teacher tried to brainwash us by teaching us evolution. The brain-
washing worked well on most of the people in this newsgroup. I guess
that my bad teachers were not very good brainwashers.
It's about facts. You refuse to accept them and then insult all who do
accept the facts. Why?
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| User: "Jason" |
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06 Nov 2005 11:22:12 AM |
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In article <c8dsm1lkn5gtdrm0s7km5v9nniq26sib4j@4ax.com>, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 22:07:21 -0800, in alt.atheism
(Jason) wrote in
<jason-0511052207210001@pm4-broad-31.snlo.dialup.fix.net>:
In article <v95rm15j8keh4vvf0t2r4m9bo4l0m6ibnc@4ax.com>, Just Cocky
<just@cocky.com> wrote:
On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 11:44:11 -0800, (Jason) wrote:
When I was in high school, the teachers spent more time teaching from the
textbooks than from prepared lectures.
This, in and of itself, probably explains to a significant degree the
source of your ignorance.
That's funny. I only wish my parents were rich enough to send me to a
Christian school where I could have had the freedom to learn about
creation science and evolution.
Creation Science is intentional ignorance. There is absolutely no
physical evidence to support this doctrine.
Instead, the high school biology
teacher tried to brainwash us by teaching us evolution. The brain-
washing worked well on most of the people in this newsgroup. I guess
that my bad teachers were not very good brainwashers.
It's about facts. You refuse to accept them and then insult all who do
accept the facts. Why?
For the same reasons that Galileo and Copernicus done the same thing. They
were of the opinion that they were right despite the fact that all of the
other scientists (and establishment) told them they were wrong. Evolution
is the modern day "establishment" or "big brother". It does not matter to
me that the majority of science professors disagree with me. The vast
majority of the people in America agree with me. They believe that God
created the world and life. Hundreds of people that have Ph.D degrees
agree with me. Just because you are part to the establishment does not
mean that you are right. Eventually, the science establishment did accept
Galileo and Copernicus. I doubt that the current science establishment
will ever realize that they are wrong.
Jason
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06 Nov 2005 04:37:42 PM |
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"Evolution is the modern day "establishment" or "big brother"."
The creation science of 150 years ago was the establishment and big
brother and just like the earth is the center of the universe was in a
previous time. Both have had their time come and go.
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06 Nov 2005 05:58:49 PM |
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In article <436e85b6$0$76288$4d5ecec7@reader.city-net.com>,
outsor@citynet.net wrote:
"Evolution is the modern day "establishment" or "big brother"."
The creation science of 150 years ago was the establishment and big
brother and just like the earth is the center of the universe was in a
previous time. Both have had their time come and go.
Great point. Do you agree that the evolutionists are doing a better job
as "big brother" and "establishment" than the Christians done about
150 years ago?
When they rushed to court to prevent the teaching of ID in the public
schools--it's clear proof that they are doing an outstanding job in
their role as "big brother". They learned a lot from the famous book
entitled, "1984".
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06 Nov 2005 05:54:02 PM |
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"Do you agree that the evolutionists are doing a better job as "big
brother" and "establishment" than the Christians done about 150 years
ago?"
Are you still beating your wife? Science has a direction of change based
on increasing evidence and newer tools. There will have to be evidence of
such clear difference then that now at hand to turn back the clock that it
can't be imagined what it would be. Cs and id folk have lost this time
round too because they have no new evidence that should suggest a look
back 150 years.
"When they rushed to court to prevent the teaching of ID in the public
schools--it's clear proof that they are doing an outstanding job in their
role as "big brother". They learned a lot from the famous book entitled,
"1984"."
They went to court, that's the way constitutional matters like this are
resolved in our country, no less speedily then those who want to protect
various forms of religious expression. They have prevailed in court
because the state can't promote a religion and id clearly is as a backdoor
code word for cs.
One feature in the '1984' book was "newspeak" which where the meaning of
words was turned backwards, just as we have where id is said not to be a
code word for religious based ideas and where "freedom to decide" means
religion must be presented by the state and where "science" means anything
that allows id even if it is not science.
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07 Nov 2005 11:56:33 AM |
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"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Great point. Do you agree that the evolutionists are doing a better job
as "big brother" and "establishment" than the Christians done about
150 years ago?
When they rushed to court to prevent the teaching of ID in the public
schools--it's clear proof that they are doing an outstanding job in
their role as "big brother". They learned a lot from the famous book
entitled, "1984".
When "evolutionists" torture and murder people for not believing as they do,
get back to us, will you?
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#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "Jason" |
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07 Nov 2005 12:27:07 PM |
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In article <3t9iqiFqr2e1U1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-0611051558490001@pm4-broad-34.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
snip
Great point. Do you agree that the evolutionists are doing a better job
as "big brother" and "establishment" than the Christians done about
150 years ago?
When they rushed to court to prevent the teaching of ID in the public
schools--it's clear proof that they are doing an outstanding job in
their role as "big brother". They learned a lot from the famous book
entitled, "1984".
When "evolutionists" torture and murder people for not believing as they do,
get back to us, will you?
Hello,
They don't murder us--they just use ad hominiem attacks.
Many of the state colleges will not hire a professor unless he or she is
an advocate of evolution.
They won't let us teach ID in the public school systems.
Those things are easier than murder and are just as effective.
Jason
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07 Nov 2005 03:09:01 PM |
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"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
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In article <3t9iqiFqr2e1U1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Great point. Do you agree that the evolutionists are doing a better
job
as "big brother" and "establishment" than the Christians done about
150 years ago?
When they rushed to court to prevent the teaching of ID in the public
schools--it's clear proof that they are doing an outstanding job in
their role as "big brother". They learned a lot from the famous book
entitled, "1984".
When "evolutionists" torture and murder people for not believing as they
do,
get back to us, will you?
Hello,
They don't murder us--they just use ad hominiem attacks.
Then stop complaining. Christians used to burn people at the stake as
heretics. Thank goodness that went out of style. My advice? Grow a thicker
skin.
Many of the state colleges will not hire a professor unless he or she is
an advocate of evolution.
They won't let us teach ID in the public school systems.
Those things are easier than murder and are just as effective.
Oh really. Thanks for showing that you know very little, if any, of the
history of christianity.
You think not being to teach ID (i.e., shove your religious nonsense down
children's thoats) is bad, trying spending 5 minutes with thumbscrews on.
--
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#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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07 Nov 2005 03:44:59 PM |
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In article <3t9u3eFrludcU1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-0711051027070001@pm1-broad-124.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
In article <3t9iqiFqr2e1U1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-0611051558490001@pm4-broad-34.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
snip
Great point. Do you agree that the evolutionists are doing a better
job
as "big brother" and "establishment" than the Christians done about
150 years ago?
When they rushed to court to prevent the teaching of ID in the public
schools--it's clear proof that they are doing an outstanding job in
their role as "big brother". They learned a lot from the famous book
entitled, "1984".
When "evolutionists" torture and murder people for not believing as they
do,
get back to us, will you?
Hello,
They don't murder us--they just use ad hominiem attacks.
Then stop complaining. Christians used to burn people at the stake as
heretics. Thank goodness that went out of style. My advice? Grow a thicker
skin.
Many of the state colleges will not hire a professor unless he or she is
an advocate of evolution.
They won't let us teach ID in the public school systems.
Those things are easier than murder and are just as effective.
Oh really. Thanks for showing that you know very little, if any, of the
history of christianity.
You think not being to teach ID (i.e., shove your religious nonsense down
children's thoats) is bad, trying spending 5 minutes with thumbscrews on.
It's my guess that evolutionists would do it to Dr. Gish if they could get
away with it. I visited one of the evolution websites and you would not
believe how they were attacking him (with words). It appeared to be
extreme hatred. It reminded me of an old western movie where a band of
people are surrounding the city jail demanding the release of the prisoner
so that they could hang him.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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07 Nov 2005 04:27:55 PM |
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"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
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In article <3t9u3eFrludcU1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
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In article <3t9iqiFqr2e1U1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Great point. Do you agree that the evolutionists are doing a
better
job
as "big brother" and "establishment" than the Christians done
about
150 years ago?
When they rushed to court to prevent the teaching of ID in the
public
schools--it's clear proof that they are doing an outstanding job
in
their role as "big brother". They learned a lot from the famous
book
entitled, "1984".
When "evolutionists" torture and murder people for not believing as
they
do,
get back to us, will you?
Hello,
They don't murder us--they just use ad hominiem attacks.
Then stop complaining. Christians used to burn people at the stake as
heretics. Thank goodness that went out of style. My advice? Grow a
thicker
skin.
Many of the state colleges will not hire a professor unless he or she
is
an advocate of evolution.
They won't let us teach ID in the public school systems.
Those things are easier than murder and are just as effective.
Oh really. Thanks for showing that you know very little, if any, of the
history of christianity.
You think not being to teach ID (i.e., shove your religious nonsense
down
children's thoats) is bad, trying spending 5 minutes with thumbscrews
on.
It's my guess that evolutionists would do it to Dr. Gish if they could get
away with it.
It's my guess that you're wrong.
Not to mention this activity, while once the norm, is now illegal.
Advocating we bring it back?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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| Title: Re: Evolution has become a state religion |
07 Nov 2005 04:16:22 PM |
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On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 13:44:59 -0800, in alt.atheism
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<jason-0711051345000001@pm4-broad-40.snlo.dialup.fix.net>:
In article <3t9u3eFrludcU1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-0711051027070001@pm1-broad-124.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
In article <3t9iqiFqr2e1U1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-0611051558490001@pm4-broad-34.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
snip
Great point. Do you agree that the evolutionists are doing a better
job
as "big brother" and "establishment" than the Christians done about
150 years ago?
When they rushed to court to prevent the teaching of ID in the public
schools--it's clear proof that they are doing an outstanding job in
their role as "big brother". They learned a lot from the famous book
entitled, "1984".
When "evolutionists" torture and murder people for not believing as they
do,
get back to us, will you?
Hello,
They don't murder us--they just use ad hominiem attacks.
Then stop complaining. Christians used to burn people at the stake as
heretics. Thank goodness that went out of style. My advice? Grow a thicker
skin.
Many of the state colleges will not hire a professor unless he or she is
an advocate of evolution.
They won't let us teach ID in the public school systems.
Those things are easier than murder and are just as effective.
Oh really. Thanks for showing that you know very little, if any, of the
history of christianity.
You think not being to teach ID (i.e., shove your religious nonsense down
children's thoats) is bad, trying spending 5 minutes with thumbscrews on.
It's my guess that evolutionists would do it to Dr. Gish if they could get
away with it. I visited one of the evolution websites and you would not
believe how they were attacking him (with words). It appeared to be
extreme hatred. It reminded me of an old western movie where a band of
people are surrounding the city jail demanding the release of the prisoner
so that they could hang him.
Why should anyone like him? He is a liar and he uses his lies to sucker
religious folks into funding further lies. The surprise is not that
there are victims of his lies who despise him and what he does, but that
there are people like you who are willing to let him persuade you that
black is white.
Have you ever read _Elmer Gantry_?
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| User: "Jason" |
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07 Nov 2005 08:16:43 PM |
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In article <s3kvm1ths27d7a7ilfajn8f22flq87m5jk@4ax.com>, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 13:44:59 -0800, in alt.atheism
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<jason-0711051345000001@pm4-broad-40.snlo.dialup.fix.net>:
In article <3t9u3eFrludcU1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-0711051027070001@pm1-broad-124.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
In article <3t9iqiFqr2e1U1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-0611051558490001@pm4-broad-34.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
snip
Great point. Do you agree that the evolutionists are doing a better
job
as "big brother" and "establishment" than the Christians done about
150 years ago?
When they rushed to court to prevent the teaching of ID in the public
schools--it's clear proof that they are doing an outstanding job in
their role as "big brother". They learned a lot from the famous book
entitled, "1984".
When "evolutionists" torture and murder people for not believing
as they
do,
get back to us, will you?
Hello,
They don't murder us--they just use ad hominiem attacks.
Then stop complaining. Christians used to burn people at the stake as
heretics. Thank goodness that went out of style. My advice? Grow a
thicker
skin.
Many of the state colleges will not hire a professor unless he or she is
an advocate of evolution.
They won't let us teach ID in the public school systems.
Those things are easier than murder and are just as effective.
Oh really. Thanks for showing that you know very little, if any, of the
history of christianity.
You think not being to teach ID (i.e., shove your religious nonsense down
children's thoats) is bad, trying spending 5 minutes with thumbscrews on.
It's my guess that evolutionists would do it to Dr. Gish if they could get
away with it. I visited one of the evolution websites and you would not
believe how they were attacking him (with words). It appeared to be
extreme hatred. It reminded me of an old western movie where a band of
people are surrounding the city jail demanding the release of the prisoner
so that they could hang him.
Why should anyone like him? He is a liar and he uses his lies to sucker
religious folks into funding further lies. The surprise is not that
there are victims of his lies who despise him and what he does, but that
there are people like you who are willing to let him persuade you that
black is white.
Have you ever read _Elmer Gantry_?
I saw the movie.
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07 Nov 2005 01:18:58 PM |
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On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 10:27:07 -0800, in alt.atheism
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<jason-0711051027070001@pm1-broad-124.snlo.dialup.fix.net>:
In article <3t9iqiFqr2e1U1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-0611051558490001@pm4-broad-34.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
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Great point. Do you agree that the evolutionists are doing a better job
as "big brother" and "establishment" than the Christians done about
150 years ago?
When they rushed to court to prevent the teaching of ID in the public
schools--it's clear proof that they are doing an outstanding job in
their role as "big brother". They learned a lot from the famous book
entitled, "1984".
When "evolutionists" torture and murder people for not believing as they do,
get back to us, will you?
Hello,
They don't murder us--they just use ad hominiem attacks.
Oh.
Many of the state colleges will not hire a professor unless he or she is
an advocate of evolution.
In which discipline?
They won't let us teach ID in the public school systems.
That's because it is not science.
Those things are easier than murder and are just as effective.
Poor thing.
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06 Nov 2005 06:23:55 PM |
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On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 15:58:49 -0800, in alt.atheism
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<jason-0611051558490001@pm4-broad-34.snlo.dialup.fix.net>:
In article <436e85b6$0$76288$4d5ecec7@reader.city-net.com>,
outsor@citynet.net wrote:
"Evolution is the modern day "establishment" or "big brother"."
The creation science of 150 years ago was the establishment and big
brother and just like the earth is the center of the universe was in a
previous time. Both have had their time come and go.
Great point. Do you agree that the evolutionists are doing a better job
as "big brother" and "establishment" than the Christians done about
150 years ago?
When they rushed to court to prevent the teaching of ID in the public
schools--it's clear proof that they are doing an outstanding job in
their role as "big brother". They learned a lot from the famous book
entitled, "1984".
What other lies do you want taught in public schools?
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06 Nov 2005 07:35:10 PM |
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In article <ak7tm1pl0a844drt95ce7v2cgk7etj4gbk@4ax.com>, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 15:58:49 -0800, in alt.atheism
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<jason-0611051558490001@pm4-broad-34.snlo.dialup.fix.net>:
In article <436e85b6$0$76288$4d5ecec7@reader.city-net.com>,
outsor@citynet.net wrote:
"Evolution is the modern day "establishment" or "big brother"."
The creation science of 150 years ago was the establishment and big
brother and just like the earth is the center of the universe was in a
previous time. Both have had their time come and go.
Great point. Do you agree that the evolutionists are doing a better job
as "big brother" and "establishment" than the Christians done about
150 years ago?
When they rushed to court to prevent the teaching of ID in the public
schools--it's clear proof that they are doing an outstanding job in
their role as "big brother". They learned a lot from the famous book
entitled, "1984".
What other lies do you want taught in public schools?
macro-evolution
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06 Nov 2005 07:43:23 PM |
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On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 17:35:10 -0800, in alt.atheism
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<jason-0611051735110001@pm4-broad-54.snlo.dialup.fix.net>:
In article <ak7tm1pl0a844drt95ce7v2cgk7etj4gbk@4ax.com>, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 15:58:49 -0800, in alt.atheism
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<jason-0611051558490001@pm4-broad-34.snlo.dialup.fix.net>:
In article <436e85b6$0$76288$4d5ecec7@reader.city-net.com>,
outsor@citynet.net wrote:
"Evolution is the modern day "establishment" or "big brother"."
The creation science of 150 years ago was the establishment and big
brother and just like the earth is the center of the universe was in a
previous time. Both have had their time come and go.
Great point. Do you agree that the evolutionists are doing a better job
as "big brother" and "establishment" than the Christians done about
150 years ago?
When they rushed to court to prevent the teaching of ID in the public
schools--it's clear proof that they are doing an outstanding job in
their role as "big brother". They learned a lot from the famous book
entitled, "1984".
What other lies do you want taught in public schools?
macro-evolution
You've never explained what you mean by that or what your objection are
to the discovery that species change over time.
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06 Nov 2005 08:05:31 PM |
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In article <38ctm19tt4068pm08st96cnf2t655dslv1@4ax.com>, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 17:35:10 -0800, in alt.atheism
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<jason-0611051735110001@pm4-broad-54.snlo.dialup.fix.net>:
In article <ak7tm1pl0a844drt95ce7v2cgk7etj4gbk@4ax.com>, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 15:58:49 -0800, in alt.atheism
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<jason-0611051558490001@pm4-broad-34.snlo.dialup.fix.net>:
In article <436e85b6$0$76288$4d5ecec7@reader.city-net.com>,
outsor@citynet.net wrote:
"Evolution is the modern day "establishment" or "big brother"."
The creation science of 150 years ago was the establishment and big
brother and just like the earth is the center of the universe was in a
previous time. Both have had their time come and go.
Great point. Do you agree that the evolutionists are doing a better job
as "big brother" and "establishment" than the Christians done about
150 years ago?
When they rushed to court to prevent the teaching of ID in the public
schools--it's clear proof that they are doing an outstanding job in
their role as "big brother". They learned a lot from the famous book
entitled, "1984".
What other lies do you want taught in public schools?
macro-evolution
You've never explained what you mean by that or what your objection are
to the discovery that species change over time.
I'll explain by giving examples:
one or two types of dogs evolving into dozens of types of dogs (micro-evolution)
one or two types of flowers evolving into dozens of types of flowers (micro-e)
one or two types of deer evolving into dozens of types of deer (micro-evol.)
a dog evolving into a deer (macro-evolution)
a flower evolving into a tree (macro-evolution)
a deer evolving into a cat (macro-evolution)
I believe that micro-evolution is a fact and that macro-evolution is
mere speculation and is not a fact or theory.
Dr. Gish wrote a book entitled, "Evolution: The Fossils Still Say No". Dr.
Gish claims that the fossils clearly show that macroevolution does NOT
occur.
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06 Nov 2005 08:14:51 PM |
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On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 18:05:31 -0800, in alt.atheism
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<jason-0611051805310001@pm4-broad-54.snlo.dialup.fix.net>:
In article <38ctm19tt4068pm08st96cnf2t655dslv1@4ax.com>, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 17:35:10 -0800, in alt.atheism
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<jason-0611051735110001@pm4-broad-54.snlo.dialup.fix.net>:
In article <ak7tm1pl0a844drt95ce7v2cgk7etj4gbk@4ax.com>, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 15:58:49 -0800, in alt.atheism
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<jason-0611051558490001@pm4-broad-34.snlo.dialup.fix.net>:
In article <436e85b6$0$76288$4d5ecec7@reader.city-net.com>,
outsor@citynet.net wrote:
"Evolution is the modern day "establishment" or "big brother"."
The creation science of 150 years ago was the establishment and big
brother and just like the earth is the center of the universe was in a
previous time. Both have had their time come and go.
Great point. Do you agree that the evolutionists are doing a better job
as "big brother" and "establishment" than the Christians done about
150 years ago?
When they rushed to court to prevent the teaching of ID in the public
schools--it's clear proof that they are doing an outstanding job in
their role as "big brother". They learned a lot from the famous book
entitled, "1984".
What other lies do you want taught in public schools?
macro-evolution
You've never explained what you mean by that or what your objection are
to the discovery that species change over time.
I'll explain by giving examples:
one or two types of dogs evolving into dozens of types of dogs (micro-evolution)
one or two types of flowers evolving into dozens of types of flowers (micro-e)
one or two types of deer evolving into dozens of types of deer (micro-evol.)
I see.
a dog evolving into a deer (macro-evolution)
No scientist claims that this has happened or will happen.
a flower evolving into a tree (macro-evolution)
No scientist claims that this has happened or will happen.
a deer evolving into a cat (macro-evolution)
No scientist claims that this has happened or will happen.
I believe that micro-evolution is a fact and that macro-evolution is
mere speculation and is not a fact or theory.
No one that I know thinks that the macro-evolution you describe and
reject has ever happened. I have no idea where you got that idea.
Dr. Gish wrote a book entitled, "Evolution: The Fossils Still Say No". Dr.
Gish claims that the fossils clearly show that macroevolution does NOT
occur.
If that is the macro-evolution that he claims did not happen, he hasn't
talked about the scientific theory of evolution by variation and natural
selection.
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| User: "Jason" |
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07 Nov 2005 10:41:29 AM |
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In article <sndtm15ic4ru29u8a2krfrqhna06vio786@4ax.com>, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 18:05:31 -0800, in alt.atheism
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<jason-0611051805310001@pm4-broad-54.snlo.dialup.fix.net>:
In article <38ctm19tt4068pm08st96cnf2t655dslv1@4ax.com>, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 17:35:10 -0800, in alt.atheism
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<jason-0611051735110001@pm4-broad-54.snlo.dialup.fix.net>:
In article <ak7tm1pl0a844drt95ce7v2cgk7etj4gbk@4ax.com>, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 15:58:49 -0800, in alt.atheism
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<jason-0611051558490001@pm4-broad-34.snlo.dialup.fix.net>:
In article <436e85b6$0$76288$4d5ecec7@reader.city-net.com>,
outsor@citynet.net wrote:
"Evolution is the modern day "establishment" or "big brother"."
The creation science of 150 years ago was the establishment and big
brother and just like the earth is the center of the universe
was in a
previous time. Both have had their time come and go.
Great point. Do you agree that the evolutionists are doing a better job
as "big brother" and "establishment" than the Christians done about
150 years ago?
When they rushed to court to prevent the teaching of ID in the public
schools--it's clear proof that they are doing an outstanding job in
their role as "big brother". They learned a lot from the famous book
entitled, "1984".
What other lies do you want taught in public schools?
macro-evolution
You've never explained what you mean by that or what your objection are
to the discovery that species change over time.
I'll explain by giving examples:
one or two types of dogs evolving into dozens of types of dogs
(micro-evolution)
one or two types of flowers evolving into dozens of types of flowers
(micro-e)
one or two types of deer evolving into dozens of types of deer (micro-evol.)
I see.
a dog evolving into a deer (macro-evolution)
No scientist claims that this has happened or will happen.
a flower evolving into a tree (macro-evolution)
No scientist claims that this has happened or will happen.
a deer evolving into a cat (macro-evolution)
No scientist claims that this has happened or will happen.
I believe that micro-evolution is a fact and that macro-evolution is
mere speculation and is not a fact or theory.
No one that I know thinks that the macro-evolution you describe and
reject has ever happened. I have no idea where you got that idea.
Dr. Gish wrote a book entitled, "Evolution: The Fossils Still Say No". Dr.
Gish claims that the fossils clearly show that macroevolution does NOT
occur.
If that is the macro-evolution that he claims did not happen, he hasn't
talked about the scientific theory of evolution by variation and natural
selection.
Hello,
I was making use of examples to prove to you that macro-evolution is based on
speculation--not fact. Allow me to use another example of macro-evolution
and tell me your opinions:
An Ape evolving into mankind (macro-evolution)
I should note that I once saw a poster or chart on the walls of a state
college science lab. The chart clearly showed all sorts branches of plants
and animals that macro-evolved from the first cell. If you had seen the
chart, you would agree that evolutionists believe that macro-evolution is
how all modern plants and animals came to be. They all macro-evolved from
the first cells. This is classical evolution theory.
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07 Nov 2005 10:21:16 AM |
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"I was making use of examples to prove to you that macro-evolution is
based on
speculation--not fact. Allow me to use another example of macro-evolution
and tell me your opinions:
An Ape evolving into mankind (macro-evolution)"
Evolution is based on evidence that well supports an idea, it is not a
belief system where evidence is not an issue. Human evolution is one of
the better examples with its evidence in support. Evolution on the macro
level is supported by the evidence that species once common are now
extinct and those now common did not exist at previous times. That small
and well documented bit of evidence is all that evolution requires to be
supported and for which any proposed alternative idea must account for
equally well for it to have any consideration.
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| User: "Pramesh Rutajit" |
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07 Nov 2005 04:09:25 PM |
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Jason wrote:
In article <sndtm15ic4ru29u8a2krfrqhna06vio786@4ax.com>, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 18:05:31 -0800, in alt.atheism
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<jason-0611051805310001@pm4-broad-54.snlo.dialup.fix.net>:
In article <38ctm19tt4068pm08st96cnf2t655dslv1@4ax.com>, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 17:35:10 -0800, in alt.atheism
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<jason-0611051735110001@pm4-broad-54.snlo.dialup.fix.net>:
In article <ak7tm1pl0a844drt95ce7v2cgk7etj4gbk@4ax.com>, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 15:58:49 -0800, in alt.atheism
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<jason-0611051558490001@pm4-broad-34.snlo.dialup.fix.net>:
In article <436e85b6$0$76288$4d5ecec7@reader.city-net.com>,
outsor@citynet.net wrote:
"Evolution is the modern day "establishment" or "big brother"."
The creation science of 150 years ago was the establishment and
big brother and just like the earth is the center of the
universe
was in a
previous time. Both have had their time come and go.
Great point. Do you agree that the evolutionists are doing a
better job as "big brother" and "establishment" than the
Christians done about 150 years ago?
When they rushed to court to prevent the teaching of ID in the
public schools--it's clear proof that they are doing an
outstanding job in their role as "big brother". They learned a lot
from the famous book entitled, "1984".
What other lies do you want taught in public schools?
macro-evolution
You've never explained what you mean by that or what your objection
are to the discovery that species change over time.
I'll explain by giving examples:
one or two types of dogs evolving into dozens of types of dogs
(micro-evolution)
one or two types of flowers evolving into dozens of types of flowers
(micro-e)
one or two types of deer evolving into dozens of types of deer
(micro-evol.)
I see.
a dog evolving into a deer (macro-evolution)
No scientist claims that this has happened or will happen.
a flower evolving into a tree (macro-evolution)
No scientist claims that this has happened or will happen.
a deer evolving into a cat (macro-evolution)
No scientist claims that this has happened or will happen.
I believe that micro-evolution is a fact and that macro-evolution is
mere speculation and is not a fact or theory.
No one that I know thinks that the macro-evolution you describe and
reject has ever happened. I have no idea where you got that idea.
Dr. Gish wrote a book entitled, "Evolution: The Fossils Still Say No".
Dr. Gish claims that the fossils clearly show that macroevolution does
NOT occur.
If that is the macro-evolution that he claims did not happen, he hasn't
talked about the scientific theory of evolution by variation and natural
selection.
Hello,
I was making use of examples to prove to you that macro-evolution is based
on speculation--not fact. Allow me to use another example of
macro-evolution and tell me your opinions:
An Ape evolving into mankind (macro-evolution)
I should note that I once saw a poster or chart on the walls of a state
college science lab. The chart clearly showed all sorts branches of plants
and animals that macro-evolved from the first cell. If you had seen the
chart, you would agree that evolutionists believe that macro-evolution is
how all modern plants and animals came to be. They all macro-evolved from
the first cells. This is classical evolution theory.
References - specific.
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Pramesh Rutajit - - remove tongue to reply.
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07 Nov 2005 11:10:23 AM |
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On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 08:41:29 -0800, in alt.atheism
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<jason-0711050841300001@pm1-broad-124.snlo.dialup.fix.net>:
In article <sndtm15ic4ru29u8a2krfrqhna06vio786@4ax.com>, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 18:05:31 -0800, in alt.atheism
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<jason-0611051805310001@pm4-broad-54.snlo.dialup.fix.net>:
In article <38ctm19tt4068pm08st96cnf2t655dslv1@4ax.com>, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 17:35:10 -0800, in alt.atheism
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<jason-0611051735110001@pm4-broad-54.snlo.dialup.fix.net>:
In article <ak7tm1pl0a844drt95ce7v2cgk7etj4gbk@4ax.com>, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 15:58:49 -0800, in alt.atheism
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<jason-0611051558490001@pm4-broad-34.snlo.dialup.fix.net>:
In article <436e85b6$0$76288$4d5ecec7@reader.city-net.com>,
outsor@citynet.net wrote:
"Evolution is the modern day "establishment" or "big brother"."
The creation science of 150 years ago was the establishment and big
brother and just like the earth is the center of the universe
was in a
previous time. Both have had their time come and go.
Great point. Do you agree that the evolutionists are doing a better job
as "big brother" and "establishment" than the Christians done about
150 years ago?
When they rushed to court to prevent the teaching of ID in the public
schools--it's clear proof that they are doing an outstanding job in
their role as "big brother". They learned a lot from the famous book
entitled, "1984".
What other lies do you want taught in public schools?
macro-evolution
You've never explained what you mean by that or what your objection are
to the discovery that species change over time.
I'll explain by giving examples:
one or two types of dogs evolving into dozens of types of dogs
(micro-evolution)
one or two types of flowers evolving into dozens of types of flowers
(micro-e)
one or two types of deer evolving into dozens of types of deer (micro-evol.)
I see.
a dog evolving into a deer (macro-evolution)
No scientist claims that this has happened or will happen.
a flower evolving into a tree (macro-evolution)
No scientist claims that this has happened or will happen.
a deer evolving into a cat (macro-evolution)
No scientist claims that this has happened or will happen.
I believe that micro-evolution is a fact and that macro-evolution is
mere speculation and is not a fact or theory.
No one that I know thinks that the macro-evolution you describe and
reject has ever happened. I have no idea where you got that idea.
Dr. Gish wrote a book entitled, "Evolution: The Fossils Still Say No". Dr.
Gish claims that the fossils clearly show that macroevolution does NOT
occur.
If that is the macro-evolution that he claims did not happen, he hasn't
talked about the scientific theory of evolution by variation and natural
selection.
Hello,
I was making use of examples to prove to you that macro-evolution is based on
speculation--not fact. Allow me to use another example of macro-evolution
and tell me your opinions:
An Ape evolving into mankind (macro-evolution)
Humans are still great apes. The evidence is overwhelming that we share
a common ancestor with the other great apes. What problem do you have
with it?
I should note that I once saw a poster or chart on the walls of a state
college science lab. The chart clearly showed all sorts branches of plants
and animals that macro-evolved from the first cell. If you had seen the
chart, you would agree that evolutionists believe that macro-evolution is
how all modern plants and animals came to be. They all macro-evolved from
the first cells. This is classical evolution theory.
Variation and natural selection. Yes. But not the way you seem to think
it works.
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| User: "Pramesh Rutajit" |
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07 Nov 2005 04:12:30 PM |
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David Jensen wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 08:41:29 -0800, in alt.atheism
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
An Ape evolving into mankind (macro-evolution)
Humans are still great apes. The evidence is overwhelming that we share
a common ancestor with the other great apes. What problem do you have
with it?
And biblical mythology says that man was created in the image of God so God
is a great ape (or is that Great Ape?) as well. Jacon should take the
chart he is in love with and look at the dude to the far left - that guy is
God.
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Pramesh Rutajit - - remove tongue to reply.
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07 Nov 2005 03:00:30 PM |
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On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 08:41:29 -0800, in sci.life-extension ,
jason@nospam.com (Jason) in
<jason-0711050841300001@pm1-broad-124.snlo.dialup.fix.net> wrote:
[snip]
Hello,
I was making use of examples to prove to you that macro-evolution is based on
speculation--not fact. Allow me to use another example of macro-evolution
and tell me your opinions:
An Ape evolving into mankind (macro-evolution)
First off, that is not how scientists define macro-evolution. If you
are going to talk about a technical subject you need to use the
established terms. More importantly, your position on the evolution of
humans is not a conclusion from the evidence, it is the thing you want
to be true. But you have to explain how come so much other evolution
can occur, but not that.
I should note that I once saw a poster or chart on the walls of a state
college science lab. The chart clearly showed all sorts branches of plants
and animals that macro-evolved from the first cell. If you had seen the
chart, you would agree that evolutionists believe that macro-evolution is
how all modern plants and animals came to be. They all macro-evolved from
the first cells. This is classical evolution theory.
It sure it. It took 4 billion years for that to happen. The term is
Common Descent.
--
Matt Silberstein
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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07 Nov 2005 06:44:09 AM |
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On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 20:14:51 -0600, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 18:05:31 -0800, in alt.atheism
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<jason-0611051805310001@pm4-broad-54.snlo.dialup.fix.net>:
In article <38ctm19tt4068pm08st96cnf2t655dslv1@4ax.com>, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 17:35:10 -0800, in alt.atheism
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<jason-0611051735110001@pm4-broad-54.snlo.dialup.fix.net>:
In article <ak7tm1pl0a844drt95ce7v2cgk7etj4gbk@4ax.com>, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 15:58:49 -0800, in alt.atheism
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<jason-0611051558490001@pm4-broad-34.snlo.dialup.fix.net>:
In article <436e85b6$0$76288$4d5ecec7@reader.city-net.com>,
outsor@citynet.net wrote:
"Evolution is the modern day "establishment" or "big brother"."
The creation science of 150 years ago was the establishment and big
brother and just like the earth is the center of the universe was in a
previous time. Both have had their time come and go.
Great point. Do you agree that the evolutionists are doing a better job
as "big brother" and "establishment" than the Christians done about
150 years ago?
When they rushed to court to prevent the teaching of ID in the public
schools--it's clear proof that they are doing an outstanding job in
their role as "big brother". They learned a lot from the famous book
entitled, "1984".
What other lies do you want taught in public schools?
macro-evolution
You've never explained what you mean by that or what your objection are
to the discovery that species change over time.
I'll explain by giving examples:
one or two types of dogs evolving into dozens of types of dogs (micro-evolution)
one or two types of flowers evolving into dozens of types of flowers (micro-e)
one or two types of deer evolving into dozens of types of dee | | | | | | | | | | |
