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"Katt" |
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31 Oct 2005 04:21:18 AM |
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Re: Evolution has become a state religion |
<iftikhargul@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Atheism is also a belief in non-existance of God
Nope. Stop lying about atheists.
and all beleivers in
atheism very strongly defend their belief, call it their narrow
mindedness or enlightment, it is no different than the passion people
expresses in their religious beliefs such as christianity.
I see: you now think you speak for all atheists as well as all Christians.
Fascinating symptom.
I separated
all beliefs including atheism. Looks like you are a narrow minded
person incapable of understanding intelligent arguments. Calling people
liars without provocation shows that you need to grow up.
You are still lying about atheism. Atheists don't have 'a belief in [the]
non-existance [sic] of God [sic]': the very *notion* of that specific
god-fantasy - one of countless thousands of such fantasies, all of them
completely without evidential support - *simply has no meaning* outside of
the (in your tradition's case) Biblical belief system. Furthermore,
'strength of conviction' or 'passion' are not in any sense proof of
'religion'; and rational belief founded on an evidential basis is NOT the
same as proudly and determinedly counter-factual 'religious faith'. So I
repeat: *Atheism is not a religion*.
God-deluded people and their appeasers continually try to bring these silly
superstitions before non-believers -- and these non-believers respond by
saying (i) that there is not the slightest evidence for any of the thousands
of different god-fantasies that have swarmed and multiplied in the darkness
of the primitive mind; and (ii) that an overwhelming mass of modern human
knowledge makes the existence of every one of these 'gods' completely
implausible, even where the actual claims of a given 'religion' aren't
ridiculous on strictly logical grounds. Atheism is as much a 'religion' as
*your rational and principled and determined refusal to believe in the
Easter Bunny* is 'a religion'. Atheism is merely *a position adopted with
regard to a religious issue*. And if you can't see the difference between
those two things, then you are pitiful as well as despicable.
Katt.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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16 Nov 2005 11:24:09 AM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> posting the following on Tue, 15 Nov 2005
17:05:41 -0500 iin alt.atheism?
is discussed in detail in Dr. Gish's book.
I've heard this man is a fraud.
http://makeashorterlink.com/?R1E921B2C
Googling "Gish" and "creationism" was quite enlightening.
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Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| Title: Re: Evolution has become a state religion |
15 Nov 2005 01:46:32 PM |
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"The written evidence is the Bible and the
is discussed in detail in Dr. Gish's book."
Why not use astrology and esp? Both are not science, the one because it
is a traditional account of origins and the other for the professional
crook he is, for both to be in the same sentence leaves a bad taste in the
mouth. You don't even know what makes scientific evidence, but are we
surprised anymore?
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| User: "Pramesh Rutajit" |
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15 Nov 2005 10:51:35 PM |
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wrote:
"The written evidence is the Bible and the
is discussed in detail in Dr. Gish's book."
Why not use astrology and esp?
Hey, leave astrology out of this! <grin>
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Pramesh Rutajit - - remove tongue to reply.
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| User: "Pramesh Rutajit" |
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| Title: Re: Evolution has become a state religion |
15 Nov 2005 10:50:58 PM |
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Jason wrote:
In article <3tupp1Fth7d3U1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
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In article <3tudm7FucbeiU1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-1511050715590001@pm4-broad-44.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
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The scientists that are advocates of creation science would not
agree with
you since they believe that creation science is a valid theory.
Based on what scientific evidence?
Written evidence and fossil evidence.
Cites?
The written evidence is the Bible and the fossil evidence
is discussed in detail in Dr. Gish's book.
So Gish is another of your weird bibles?
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Evolution has become a state religion |
15 Nov 2005 03:31:17 PM |
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Several days ago you said you wouldstop posting to the life extension ng.
You have not even though at that time you said you would in "a couple" of
days.
Your proselytizing goals have not been reached and your knowledge shown
hardly high school level and your logic poor at best. What your religious
ideas are is beyond reproach as such is not within the scope of science,
they are fine in all respects, but don't try to dress them up as science,
at which task you have been an abysmal failure, nay a uninformed
stereotype that brings discredit to your religious views and leaves others
wondering about the credibility of those views if you are any example of
same. Go in peace.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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16 Nov 2005 11:22:11 AM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and (Jason) posting
the following on Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:41:56 -0800 iin alt.atheism?
The written evidence is the Bible and the fossil evidence
is discussed in detail in Dr. Gish's book.
Sorry, but neither the Bible or Dr. Gish's book were subject to peer
review.
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Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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15 Nov 2005 04:37:53 PM |
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On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:54:37 -0800, (Jason) wrote:
In article <3tudm7FucbeiU1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" < > wrote in message
news:jason-1511050715590001@pm4-broad-44.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
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The scientists that are advocates of creation science would not agree with
you since they believe that creation science is a valid theory.
Based on what scientific evidence?
Written evidence and fossil evidence.
Written evidence? Evidence is a 300' high cliff ten miles long
on the Yorkshire Coast, or a big and Grand Canyon in Arizona. What
place or observation is this written evidence of?
The fossil evidence is used, or misused as evidence to disprove
evolution. You were asked for evidence of ID.
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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15 Nov 2005 04:55:00 PM |
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On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 22:37:53 +0000, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:54:37 -0800, (Jason) wrote:
In article <3tudm7FucbeiU1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" < > wrote in message
news:jason-1511050715590001@pm4-broad-44.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
snip
The scientists that are advocates of creation science would not agree with
you since they believe that creation science is a valid theory.
Based on what scientific evidence?
Written evidence and fossil evidence.
Written evidence? Evidence is a 300' high cliff ten miles long
on the Yorkshire Coast, or a big and Grand Canyon in Arizona. What
place or observation is this written evidence of?
The fossil evidence is used, or misused as evidence to disprove
evolution. You were asked for evidence of ID.
Simplistic binary thinking is very common among fundamentalists.
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County
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| User: "AZ Nomad" |
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15 Nov 2005 01:34:55 PM |
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On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:54:37 -0800, Jason <jason@nospam.com> wrote:
In article <3tudm7FucbeiU1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-1511050715590001@pm4-broad-44.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
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The scientists that are advocates of creation science would not agree with
you since they believe that creation science is a valid theory.
Based on what scientific evidence?
Written evidence and fossil evidence.
Sorry. Writings aren't evidence of anything other than themselves and
fossil evidence doesn't support creation theories.
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| User: "Jason" |
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15 Nov 2005 02:40:32 PM |
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In article <slrndnke3q.scr.aznomad@ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.cox.net>, AZ
Nomad <aznomad@PmunOgeBOX.com> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:54:37 -0800, Jason <jason@nospam.com> wrote:
In article <3tudm7FucbeiU1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-1511050715590001@pm4-broad-44.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
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The scientists that are advocates of creation science would not
agree with
you since they believe that creation science is a valid theory.
Based on what scientific evidence?
Written evidence and fossil evidence.
Sorry. Writings aren't evidence of anything other than themselves and
fossil evidence doesn't support creation theories.
Have you read Dr. Gish's book related to fossils?
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| User: "" |
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15 Nov 2005 01:48:36 PM |
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"Have you read Dr. Gish's book related to fossils?"
Have you read the documented evidence for his being a professional crook?
Have you read why the contents of his book are not valid science? Links
to both sources have been provided you.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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16 Nov 2005 11:41:51 AM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and (Jason) posting
the following on Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:40:32 -0800 iin alt.atheism?
Have you read Dr. Gish's book related to fossils?
Gish is not a palentologist. And he lies like a rug.
http://makeashorterlink.com/?R1E921B2C
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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15 Nov 2005 10:16:53 AM |
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(Jason) wrote in
news:jason-1511050715590001@pm4-broad-44.snlo.dialup.fix.net:
In article <3rqjn1917i3pc4ph7s4o7vfm4vnsl0n615@4ax.com>, Matt
Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:51:53 -0800, in sci.life-extension ,
(Jason) in
<jason-1411052051530001@pm4-broad-28.snlo.dialup.fix.net> wrote:
In article <43793c89$0$76287$4d5ecec7@reader.city-net.com>,
outsor@citynet.net wrote:
"In much the same way that evolution is taught by compulsion."
As are the germ theory of disease, newton's laws of motion, that
the sun is at the center of the solar system, that atoms exist,
that earthquakes are tectonic plates moving relative to each
other, and many many other areas of science; but not astrology,
and esp, and reading tea leaves, and cs and id for not being
accepted as valid in their claims as science defines what ideas
can be made scientific.
College students that major in a field of science have to learn
about the Big Bang Theory and String Theory. One of these theories
is false. Does it do harm for students to learn about both theories
despite the fact that one of them is false?
Which one is false? I had no idea of this.
Would it do harm for high school students to learn about creation
science and evolution theory? Even if it determined that one either
creation science or evolution theory is false, what's the harm?
Since we know which one is false it would not help to teach them both
as correct. But spending time showing what is wrong with creation
science would have value.
What's you mean "we" paleface? just joking--I'll tell you old joke in
case you have not heard it.
You stated the following:
Since we know which one is false it would not help to teach them both
as correct. But spending time showing what is wrong with creation
science would have value.
The scientists that are advocates of creation science would not agree
with you since they believe that creation science is a valid theory.
Their opionions are of no value on the question of whether creationism
is scientific.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up
for something, sometime in your life." -- W. Churchill
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| User: "Jason" |
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15 Nov 2005 12:53:42 PM |
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In article <Xns970F72E478325fstone69@213.155.197.138>, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:jason-1511050715590001@pm4-broad-44.snlo.dialup.fix.net:
In article <3rqjn1917i3pc4ph7s4o7vfm4vnsl0n615@4ax.com>, Matt
Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:51:53 -0800, in sci.life-extension ,
jason@nospam.com (Jason) in
<jason-1411052051530001@pm4-broad-28.snlo.dialup.fix.net> wrote:
In article <43793c89$0$76287$4d5ecec7@reader.city-net.com>,
outsor@citynet.net wrote:
"In much the same way that evolution is taught by compulsion."
As are the germ theory of disease, newton's laws of motion, that
the sun is at the center of the solar system, that atoms exist,
that earthquakes are tectonic plates moving relative to each
other, and many many other areas of science; but not astrology,
and esp, and reading tea leaves, and cs and id for not being
accepted as valid in their claims as science defines what ideas
can be made scientific.
College students that major in a field of science have to learn
about the Big Bang Theory and String Theory. One of these theories
is false. Does it do harm for students to learn about both theories
despite the fact that one of them is false?
Which one is false? I had no idea of this.
Would it do harm for high school students to learn about creation
science and evolution theory? Even if it determined that one either
creation science or evolution theory is false, what's the harm?
Since we know which one is false it would not help to teach them both
as correct. But spending time showing what is wrong with creation
science would have value.
What's you mean "we" paleface? just joking--I'll tell you old joke in
case you have not heard it.
You stated the following:
Since we know which one is false it would not help to teach them both
as correct. But spending time showing what is wrong with creation
science would have value.
The scientists that are advocates of creation science would not agree
with you since they believe that creation science is a valid theory.
Their opionions are of no value on the question of whether creationism
is scientific.
Are you saying that if there are two conflicting theories that you only
pay attention to the scientists that support one of the conflicting
theories and place no value in the opinions of the scientists that support
the other theory?
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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15 Nov 2005 04:40:19 PM |
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(Jason) wrote in
news:jason-1511051053420001@pm4-broad-34.snlo.dialup.fix.net:
In article <Xns970F72E478325fstone69@213.155.197.138>, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
(Jason) wrote in
news:jason-1511050715590001@pm4-broad-44.snlo.dialup.fix.net:
In article <3rqjn1917i3pc4ph7s4o7vfm4vnsl0n615@4ax.com>, Matt
Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:51:53 -0800, in sci.life-extension ,
(Jason) in
<jason-1411052051530001@pm4-broad-28.snlo.dialup.fix.net> wrote:
In article <43793c89$0$76287$4d5ecec7@reader.city-net.com>,
outsor@citynet.net wrote:
"In much the same way that evolution is taught by compulsion."
As are the germ theory of disease, newton's laws of motion,
that the sun is at the center of the solar system, that atoms
exist, that earthquakes are tectonic plates moving relative to
each other, and many many other areas of science; but not
astrology, and esp, and reading tea leaves, and cs and id for
not being accepted as valid in their claims as science defines
what ideas can be made scientific.
College students that major in a field of science have to learn
about the Big Bang Theory and String Theory. One of these
theories is false. Does it do harm for students to learn about
both theories despite the fact that one of them is false?
Which one is false? I had no idea of this.
Would it do harm for high school students to learn about creation
science and evolution theory? Even if it determined that one
either creation science or evolution theory is false, what's the
harm?
Since we know which one is false it would not help to teach them
both as correct. But spending time showing what is wrong with
creation science would have value.
What's you mean "we" paleface? just joking--I'll tell you old joke
in case you have not heard it.
You stated the following:
Since we know which one is false it would not help to teach them
both as correct. But spending time showing what is wrong with
creation science would have value.
The scientists that are advocates of creation science would not
agree with you since they believe that creation science is a valid
theory.
Their opionions are of no value on the question of whether
creationism is scientific.
Are you saying that if there are two conflicting theories that you
only pay attention to the scientists that support one of the
conflicting theories and place no value in the opinions of the
scientists that support the other theory?
Creationists are not scientists and Creationism is not a scientific
theory.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up
for something, sometime in your life." -- W. Churchill
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| User: "AZ Nomad" |
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15 Nov 2005 01:34:01 PM |
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On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:53:42 -0800, Jason <jason@nospam.com> wrote:
In article <Xns970F72E478325fstone69@213.155.197.138>, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:jason-1511050715590001@pm4-broad-44.snlo.dialup.fix.net:
In article <3rqjn1917i3pc4ph7s4o7vfm4vnsl0n615@4ax.com>, Matt
Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:51:53 -0800, in sci.life-extension ,
jason@nospam.com (Jason) in
<jason-1411052051530001@pm4-broad-28.snlo.dialup.fix.net> wrote:
In article <43793c89$0$76287$4d5ecec7@reader.city-net.com>,
outsor@citynet.net wrote:
"In much the same way that evolution is taught by compulsion."
As are the germ theory of disease, newton's laws of motion, that
the sun is at the center of the solar system, that atoms exist,
that earthquakes are tectonic plates moving relative to each
other, and many many other areas of science; but not astrology,
and esp, and reading tea leaves, and cs and id for not being
accepted as valid in their claims as science defines what ideas
can be made scientific.
College students that major in a field of science have to learn
about the Big Bang Theory and String Theory. One of these theories
is false. Does it do harm for students to learn about both theories
despite the fact that one of them is false?
Which one is false? I had no idea of this.
Would it do harm for high school students to learn about creation
science and evolution theory? Even if it determined that one either
creation science or evolution theory is false, what's the harm?
Since we know which one is false it would not help to teach them both
as correct. But spending time showing what is wrong with creation
science would have value.
What's you mean "we" paleface? just joking--I'll tell you old joke in
case you have not heard it.
You stated the following:
Since we know which one is false it would not help to teach them both
as correct. But spending time showing what is wrong with creation
science would have value.
The scientists that are advocates of creation science would not agree
with you since they believe that creation science is a valid theory.
Their opionions are of no value on the question of whether creationism
is scientific.
Are you saying that if there are two conflicting theories that you only
pay attention to the scientists that support one of the conflicting
theories and place no value in the opinions of the scientists that support
the other theory?
That's only the case if you entirely ignore all collected evidence that
conflicts your proposed theory.
Otherwise, creation science is garbage. No evidence supports it and
all proposed "evidence" supporting creation "science" has been shown
to be false.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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15 Nov 2005 04:16:35 AM |
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"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-1411051651470001@pm4-broad-21.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
In article <pj1in1l7qpgaaivn7lj5jigijc9eqe8m71@4ax.com>, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 11:13:19 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-1311051435210001@pm1-broad-66.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
In article <43779a17$0$76288$4d5ecec7@reader.city-net.com>,
outsor@citynet.net wrote:
"If they refuse to allow ID to be taught in science classes, I would
not
blame parents (that can afford it) for pulling their children out of
public
schools and placing they in Christian and private schools. In those
Christian schools, the children can pray and learn about ID without
fear
of
being arrested."
The largest christian private school system in the country teaches id
as
why and evolution as how. Students are not arrested for anything
unless a
criminal act is involved. Students do not decide this or any other
issue
in christian or public schools, schools and teachers do. Students
already
know about id, it is part of our culture, our religious culture and
is
why
using the school as agent of the state to promote religion is not
allowed.
Why are you so anti american?
The ID textbook does NOT mention God or any religion. Why are you so
anti-American that you don't want children to be about to learn about
a
theory that helps explain how life came to be on this planet?
Why is it "anti-American" not to want to have religion taught in a
public
school science class? You want "intelligent design" taught? Fine, go
to
sunday school.
Just one problem. Children attend Sunday school voluntarily. He wants
Id religion taught by compulsion.
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County
In much the same way that evolution is taught by compulsion.
Hey, then let's teach Satanism "by compulsion" as well, okay? I mean why
not?
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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15 Nov 2005 04:35:37 AM |
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On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:51:47 -0800, (Jason) wrote:
In article <pj1in1l7qpgaaivn7lj5jigijc9eqe8m71@4ax.com>, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 11:13:19 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" < > wrote in message
news:jason-1311051435210001@pm1-broad-66.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
In article <43779a17$0$76288$4d5ecec7@reader.city-net.com>,
outsor@citynet.net wrote:
"If they refuse to allow ID to be taught in science classes, I would not
blame parents (that can afford it) for pulling their children out of
public
schools and placing they in Christian and private schools. In those
Christian schools, the children can pray and learn about ID without fear
of
being arrested."
The largest christian private school system in the country teaches id as
why and evolution as how. Students are not arrested for anything unless a
criminal act is involved. Students do not decide this or any other issue
in christian or public schools, schools and teachers do. Students
already
know about id, it is part of our culture, our religious culture and is
why
using the school as agent of the state to promote religion is not
allowed.
Why are you so anti american?
The ID textbook does NOT mention God or any religion. Why are you so
anti-American that you don't want children to be about to learn about a
theory that helps explain how life came to be on this planet?
Why is it "anti-American" not to want to have religion taught in a public
school science class? You want "intelligent design" taught? Fine, go to
sunday school.
Just one problem. Children attend Sunday school voluntarily. He wants
Id religion taught by compulsion.
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County
In much the same way that evolution is taught by compulsion.
Touche but children go to school to learn facts and gain knowledge.
Religion is belief based and should be learned or accepted by choice
otherwise their would be no freedom of conscience and religion. If
you wish to make religion compulsory in school then children should
be exposed to all religions and none (atheism) on equal terms so
they can make a rational judgement about which option to choose.
Somehow I doubt Christians would be happy with that! Better I think
not to have religion at all in schools.
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County
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15 Nov 2005 09:22:26 AM |
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In article <u6ejn1hiobrfrggqt2erii3iai3bac98ic@4ax.com>, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:51:47 -0800, (Jason) wrote:
In article <pj1in1l7qpgaaivn7lj5jigijc9eqe8m71@4ax.com>, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 11:13:19 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" < > wrote in message
news:jason-1311051435210001@pm1-broad-66.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
In article <43779a17$0$76288$4d5ecec7@reader.city-net.com>,
outsor@citynet.net wrote:
"If they refuse to allow ID to be taught in science classes, I
would not
blame parents (that can afford it) for pulling their children out of
public
schools and placing they in Christian and private schools. In those
Christian schools, the children can pray and learn about ID
without fear
of
being arrested."
The largest christian private school system in the country
teaches id as
why and evolution as how. Students are not arrested for anything
unless a
criminal act is involved. Students do not decide this or any
other issue
in christian or public schools, schools and teachers do. Students
already
know about id, it is part of our culture, our religious culture and is
why
using the school as agent of the state to promote religion is not
allowed.
Why are you so anti american?
The ID textbook does NOT mention God or any religion. Why are you so
anti-American that you don't want children to be about to learn about a
theory that helps explain how life came to be on this planet?
Why is it "anti-American" not to want to have religion taught in a public
school science class? You want "intelligent design" taught? Fine, go to
sunday school.
Just one problem. Children attend Sunday school voluntarily. He wants
Id religion taught by compulsion.
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County
In much the same way that evolution is taught by compulsion.
Touche but children go to school to learn facts and gain knowledge.
Religion is belief based and should be learned or accepted by choice
otherwise their would be no freedom of conscience and religion. If
you wish to make religion compulsory in school then children should
be exposed to all religions and none (atheism) on equal terms so
they can make a rational judgement about which option to choose.
Somehow I doubt Christians would be happy with that! Better I think
not to have religion at all in schools.
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County
Les,
As we have discussed before, the ID textbook does not mention God or
discuss any religion. Therefore, the issues that you discussed in your
post don't apply.
How did the solar system and sun come to be?
Jason
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15 Nov 2005 10:09:47 AM |
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"As we have discussed before, the ID textbook does not mention God or
discuss any religion. Therefore, the issues that you discussed in your
post don't apply."
As we have discussed before id is known to all students and that it is a
backdoor code word for what all know already as the agent of design. As we
have discussed before the id book teaches ideas straight out of cs which
puts a lie to your weak disclaimers. You and the id crowd are dishonest
and this a false witness. The pa parents were not so fooled, they tossed
the id crowd out on its ear.
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15 Nov 2005 12:39:30 PM |
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In article <437a084a$0$76287$4d5ecec7@reader.city-net.com>,
outsor@citynet.net wrote:
"As we have discussed before, the ID textbook does not mention God or
discuss any religion. Therefore, the issues that you discussed in your
post don't apply."
As we have discussed before id is known to all students and that it is a
backdoor code word for what all know already as the agent of design. As we
have discussed before the id book teaches ideas straight out of cs which
puts a lie to your weak disclaimers. You and the id crowd are dishonest
and this a false witness. The pa parents were not so fooled, they tossed
the id crowd out on its ear.
Does the ID textbook mention God or any religion?
If not, provide a quote from the textbook that mentions God or any religion?
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15 Nov 2005 11:52:31 AM |
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"Does the ID textbook mention God or any religion? If not, provide a quote
from the textbook that mentions God or any religion?"
Irrelevant posturing, all you can manage recently after having failed so
utterely in your proselytizing efforts. Show us where in the book it says
macaroni didn't evolve and who invented pasta first the chinese or the
italians.
The id book is dishonest, it contains ideas straight from cs, everyone
involved knows id is a backdoor code word and which agent to which it
referes, wink wink grin grin.
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15 Nov 2005 01:44:41 PM |
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(Jason) said:
In article <437a084a$0$76287$4d5ecec7@reader.city-net.com>,
outsor@citynet.net wrote:
"As we have discussed before, the ID textbook does not mention God or
discuss any religion. Therefore, the issues that you discussed in your
post don't apply."
As we have discussed before id is known to all students and that it is a
backdoor code word for what all know already as the agent of design. As we
have discussed before the id book teaches ideas straight out of cs which
puts a lie to your weak disclaimers. You and the id crowd are dishonest
and this a false witness. The pa parents were not so fooled, they tossed
the id crowd out on its ear.
Does the ID textbook mention God or any religion?
If not, provide a quote from the textbook that mentions God or any religion?
All our opinions aside, we will see if the court in Kitzmiller deems
Pandas to advance a religious POV.
--- Jim07D5
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15 Nov 2005 12:58:49 PM |
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(Jason) wrote in
news:jason-1511051039310001@pm4-broad-34.snlo.dialup.fix.net:
In article <437a084a$0$76287$4d5ecec7@reader.city-net.com>,
outsor@citynet.net wrote:
"As we have discussed before, the ID textbook does not mention God or
discuss any religion. Therefore, the issues that you discussed in
your post don't apply."
As we have discussed before id is known to all students and that it
is a backdoor code word for what all know already as the agent of
design. As we have discussed before the id book teaches ideas
straight out of cs which puts a lie to your weak disclaimers. You
and the id crowd are dishonest and this a false witness. The pa
parents were not so fooled, they tossed the id crowd out on its ear.
Does the ID textbook mention God or any religion?
It doesn't have to. We all know that it's a "wedge" to get Creationism
into the classroom.
If not, provide a quote from the textbook that mentions God or any
religion?
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15 Nov 2005 02:07:55 PM |
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In article <Xns970F8E5B51F83fstone69@213.155.197.138>, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:jason-1511051039310001@pm4-broad-34.snlo.dialup.fix.net:
In article <437a084a$0$76287$4d5ecec7@reader.city-net.com>,
outsor@citynet.net wrote:
"As we have discussed before, the ID textbook does not mention God or
discuss any religion. Therefore, the issues that you discussed in
your post don't apply."
As we have discussed before id is known to all students and that it
is a backdoor code word for what all know already as the agent of
design. As we have discussed before the id book teaches ideas
straight out of cs which puts a lie to your weak disclaimers. You
and the id crowd are dishonest and this a false witness. The pa
parents were not so fooled, they tossed the id crowd out on its ear.
Does the ID textbook mention God or any religion?
It doesn't have to. We all know that it's a "wedge" to get Creationism
into the classroom.
If not, provide a quote from the textbook that mentions God or any
religion?
Believe it or not, I agree with you. It's a great idea. I would like for
the students to decide which theory has the most validity. Hard core
evolutionists don't want students to have the choice. They just want to
brain wash them with evolution theory.
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15 Nov 2005 02:35:37 PM |
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(Jason) said:
<...>
Believe it or not, I agree with you. It's a great idea. I would like for
the students to decide which theory has the most validity.
<...>
By grade 10, most of them have already decided, as follows:
1. The Saved:
(a) True Christians(TM): "Yay for Young Earth Creationism!"
2. The Hellbound:
(a) Roman Catholics and mainstream "lefty" Protestants: "Yay for
Intelligent Design with God-designed biological evolution of the
physical organisms and direct ensoulment by God, of humans." (Requires
thinking; way too complicated for The Saved.)
(b) Non-Christian theists: Irrelevant, and they aren't true theists
anyway.
(c) Atheistic Minions of Satan Brainwashed in Science: "Boo God, Yay
Evolution, where's the beer?""
(d) Unbrainwashed Atheistic Minions: "Where's the beer?"
(e) Jessica Simpson wannabees: "How's my hair?"
--- Jim07D5
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15 Nov 2005 07:09:24 PM |
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In article <3kgkn1549i8brj9abq7i75ajhfvsb6smc3@4ax.com>, Jim07D5
<Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote:
jason@nospam.com (Jason) said:
<...>
Believe it or not, I agree with you. It's a great idea. I would like for
the students to decide which theory has the most validity.
<...>
By grade 10, most of them have already decided, as follows:
1. The Saved:
(a) True Christians(TM): "Yay for Young Earth Creationism!"
2. The Hellbound:
(a) Roman Catholics and mainstream "lefty" Protestants: "Yay for
Intelligent Design with God-designed biological evolution of the
physical organisms and direct ensoulment by God, of humans." (Requires
thinking; way too complicated for The Saved.)
(b) Non-Christian theists: Irrelevant, and they aren't true theists
anyway.
(c) Atheistic Minions of Satan Brainwashed in Science: "Boo God, Yay
Evolution, where's the beer?""
(d) Unbrainwashed Atheistic Minions: "Where's the beer?"
(e) Jessica Simpson wannabees: "How's my hair?"
--- Jim07D5
Hello,
LOL--thanks--the most interesting post that I have read today.
Jason
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15 Nov 2005 07:44:18 PM |
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(Jason) said:
In article <3kgkn1549i8brj9abq7i75ajhfvsb6smc3@4ax.com>, Jim07D5
<Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote:
(Jason) said:
<...>
Believe it or not, I agree with you. It's a great idea. I would like for
the students to decide which theory has the most validity.
<...>
By grade 10, most of them have already decided, as follows:
1. The Saved:
(a) True Christians(TM): "Yay for Young Earth Creationism!"
2. The Hellbound:
(a) Roman Catholics and mainstream "lefty" Protestants: "Yay for
Intelligent Design with God-designed biological evolution of the
physical organisms and direct ensoulment by God, of humans." (Requires
thinking; way too complicated for The Saved.)
(b) Non-Christian theists: Irrelevant, and they aren't true theists
anyway.
(c) Atheistic Minions of Satan Brainwashed in Science: "Boo God, Yay
Evolution, where's the beer?""
(d) Unbrainwashed Atheistic Minions: "Where's the beer?"
(e) Jessica Simpson wannabees: "How's my hair?"
--- Jim07D5
Hello,
LOL--thanks--the most interesting post that I have read today.
Jason
Do you fall into any of these categories?
--- Jim07D5
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16 Nov 2005 01:20:48 AM |
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In article <hn3ln1pca09lqb331ologanad9qlh4fo21@4ax.com>, Jim07D5
<Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote:
jason@nospam.com (Jason) said:
In article <3kgkn1549i8brj9abq7i75ajhfvsb6smc3@4ax.com>, Jim07D5
<Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote:
jason@nospam.com (Jason) said:
<...>
Believe it or not, I agree with you. It's a great idea. I would like for
the students to decide which theory has the most validity.
<...>
By grade 10, most of them have already decided, as follows:
1. The Saved:
(a) True Christians(TM): "Yay for Young Earth Creationism!"
2. The Hellbound:
(a) Roman Catholics and mainstream "lefty" Protestants: "Yay for
Intelligent Design with God-designed biological evolution of the
physical organisms and direct ensoulment by God, of humans." (Requires
thinking; way too complicated for The Saved.)
(b) Non-Christian theists: Irrelevant, and they aren't true theists
anyway.
(c) Atheistic Minions of Satan Brainwashed in Science: "Boo God, Yay
Evolution, where's the beer?""
(d) Unbrainwashed Atheistic Minions: "Where's the beer?"
(e) Jessica Simpson wannabees: "How's my hair?"
--- Jim07D5
Hello,
LOL--thanks--the most interesting post that I have read today.
Jason
Do you fall into any of these categories?
--- Jim07D5
Yes--do you?
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16 Nov 2005 10:59:00 AM |
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(Jason) said:
In article <hn3ln1pca09lqb331ologanad9qlh4fo21@4ax.com>, Jim07D5
<Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote:
(Jason) said:
In article <3kgkn1549i8brj9abq7i75ajhfvsb6smc3@4ax.com>, Jim07D5
<Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote:
(Jason) said:
<...>
Believe it or not, I agree with you. It's a great idea. I would like for
the students to decide which theory has the most validity.
<...>
By grade 10, most of them have already decided, as follows:
1. The Saved:
(a) True Christians(TM): "Yay for Young Earth Creationism!"
2. The Hellbound:
(a) Roman Catholics and mainstream "lefty" Protestants: "Yay for
Intelligent Design with God-designed biological evolution of the
physical organisms and direct ensoulment by God, of humans." (Requires
thinking; way too complicated for The Saved.)
(b) Non-Christian theists: Irrelevant, and they aren't true theists
anyway.
(c) Atheistic Minions of Satan Brainwashed in Science: "Boo God, Yay
Evolution, where's the beer?""
(d) Unbrainwashed Atheistic Minions: "Where's the beer?"
(e) Jessica Simpson wannabees: "How's my hair?"
--- Jim07D5
Hello,
LOL--thanks--the most interesting post that I have read today.
Jason
Do you fall into any of these categories?
--- Jim07D5
Yes--do you?
One of them comes fairly close.
--- Jim07D5
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