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"Katt" |
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31 Oct 2005 04:21:18 AM |
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Re: Evolution has become a state religion |
<iftikhargul@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1130604306.826905.25140@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Atheism is also a belief in non-existance of God
Nope. Stop lying about atheists.
and all beleivers in
atheism very strongly defend their belief, call it their narrow
mindedness or enlightment, it is no different than the passion people
expresses in their religious beliefs such as christianity.
I see: you now think you speak for all atheists as well as all Christians.
Fascinating symptom.
I separated
all beliefs including atheism. Looks like you are a narrow minded
person incapable of understanding intelligent arguments. Calling people
liars without provocation shows that you need to grow up.
You are still lying about atheism. Atheists don't have 'a belief in [the]
non-existance [sic] of God [sic]': the very *notion* of that specific
god-fantasy - one of countless thousands of such fantasies, all of them
completely without evidential support - *simply has no meaning* outside of
the (in your tradition's case) Biblical belief system. Furthermore,
'strength of conviction' or 'passion' are not in any sense proof of
'religion'; and rational belief founded on an evidential basis is NOT the
same as proudly and determinedly counter-factual 'religious faith'. So I
repeat: *Atheism is not a religion*.
God-deluded people and their appeasers continually try to bring these silly
superstitions before non-believers -- and these non-believers respond by
saying (i) that there is not the slightest evidence for any of the thousands
of different god-fantasies that have swarmed and multiplied in the darkness
of the primitive mind; and (ii) that an overwhelming mass of modern human
knowledge makes the existence of every one of these 'gods' completely
implausible, even where the actual claims of a given 'religion' aren't
ridiculous on strictly logical grounds. Atheism is as much a 'religion' as
*your rational and principled and determined refusal to believe in the
Easter Bunny* is 'a religion'. Atheism is merely *a position adopted with
regard to a religious issue*. And if you can't see the difference between
those two things, then you are pitiful as well as despicable.
Katt.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Evolution has become a state religion |
18 Nov 2005 08:11:35 AM |
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"BDK" <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1de71a1ac43d84fe989bf9@news.buckeye-express.com...
In article <3u4320Fvam9qU1@individual.net>,
says...
"BDK" <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote in message
snip
No, the wife worked and his folks gave them money.
Wow, his parents must have been so proud. Sounds like the guy had mental
problems.
HAD?
SNORT! Good point :)
Where I work at, about half the people there 5 years ago were
foaming
at
the mouth fundies, who IMO, shouldn't have been allowed to have
custody
of kids at all.
Holy crap. Where the heck do you live?
Northwestern Ohio.
I'm in Northeast NJ, not far outside of NYC. We seem to be a bit more
progressive up here ;)
Guess where he's from? Right where you are. I can't remember the town,
but it's not far from you, I'm sure.
Really!! Dang, he's blown the state's image.
snip
The quiet one was late today, he was praying and lost track of time.
Hah! A likely story.
Actually, I believe it's true, he really gets into it.
Goodness. Well, I guess everyone needs a hobby.
Sheesh.
And he gets away with it? Shoot, I'll try that tomorrow and see what
happens.
Well, the boss just rolls his eyes and looks at me and shakes his head.
He lives next door to the former bookstore manager, and their kids play
together, so he knows all about how they get when they get to prayin'.
Oh wait, the people I work for are Jewish. I don't think they'll buy
that
;)
Tell them you were (I don't know how to spell it) "Daviting".
What the heck is that?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "BDK" |
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| Title: Re: Evolution has become a state religion |
19 Nov 2005 10:23:08 PM |
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In article <3u65n2Fvha10U1@individual.net>,
says...
"BDK" <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1de71a1ac43d84fe989bf9@news.buckeye-express.com...
In article <3u4320Fvam9qU1@individual.net>,
says...
"BDK" <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote in message
snip
No, the wife worked and his folks gave them money.
Wow, his parents must have been so proud. Sounds like the guy had mental
problems.
HAD?
SNORT! Good point :)
Where I work at, about half the people there 5 years ago were
foaming
at
the mouth fundies, who IMO, shouldn't have been allowed to have
custody
of kids at all.
Holy crap. Where the heck do you live?
Northwestern Ohio.
I'm in Northeast NJ, not far outside of NYC. We seem to be a bit more
progressive up here ;)
Guess where he's from? Right where you are. I can't remember the town,
but it's not far from you, I'm sure.
Really!! Dang, he's blown the state's image.
snip
The quiet one was late today, he was praying and lost track of time.
Hah! A likely story.
Actually, I believe it's true, he really gets into it.
Goodness. Well, I guess everyone needs a hobby.
Sheesh.
And he gets away with it? Shoot, I'll try that tomorrow and see what
happens.
Well, the boss just rolls his eyes and looks at me and shakes his head.
He lives next door to the former bookstore manager, and their kids play
together, so he knows all about how they get when they get to prayin'.
Oh wait, the people I work for are Jewish. I don't think they'll buy
that
;)
Tell them you were (I don't know how to spell it) "Daviting".
What the heck is that?
When a jew prays and they rock back and forth, I think that's what it's
called...first time I saw it was when I was in New York in 1966. There
were a bunch of Hassidics going to town in front of some place. The guy
driving our cab told us what it was. I thought it was hilarious.
Bizzare..
Did a google and got this line, but the site itself is useless..
swaying/daviting/etc) merely act to focus the body to achieve a
spiritual goal.
You've had to have seen it before..not possible to forget.
BDK
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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| Title: Re: Evolution has become a state religion |
20 Nov 2005 03:50:58 AM |
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 23:23:08 -0500, BDK
<kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote:
In article <3u65n2Fvha10U1@individual.net>,
says...
"BDK" <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1de71a1ac43d84fe989bf9@news.buckeye-express.com...
In article <3u4320Fvam9qU1@individual.net>,
says...
"BDK" <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote in message
snip
No, the wife worked and his folks gave them money.
Wow, his parents must have been so proud. Sounds like the guy had mental
problems.
HAD?
SNORT! Good point :)
Where I work at, about half the people there 5 years ago were
foaming
at
the mouth fundies, who IMO, shouldn't have been allowed to have
custody
of kids at all.
Holy crap. Where the heck do you live?
Northwestern Ohio.
I'm in Northeast NJ, not far outside of NYC. We seem to be a bit more
progressive up here ;)
Guess where he's from? Right where you are. I can't remember the town,
but it's not far from you, I'm sure.
Really!! Dang, he's blown the state's image.
snip
The quiet one was late today, he was praying and lost track of time.
Hah! A likely story.
Actually, I believe it's true, he really gets into it.
Goodness. Well, I guess everyone needs a hobby.
Sheesh.
And he gets away with it? Shoot, I'll try that tomorrow and see what
happens.
Well, the boss just rolls his eyes and looks at me and shakes his head.
He lives next door to the former bookstore manager, and their kids play
together, so he knows all about how they get when they get to prayin'.
Oh wait, the people I work for are Jewish. I don't think they'll buy
that
;)
Tell them you were (I don't know how to spell it) "Daviting".
What the heck is that?
When a jew prays and they rock back and forth, I think that's what it's
called...first time I saw it was when I was in New York in 1966. There
were a bunch of Hassidics going to town in front of some place. The guy
driving our cab told us what it was. I thought it was hilarious.
Bizzare..
Did a google and got this line, but the site itself is useless..
swaying/daviting/etc) merely act to focus the body to achieve a
spiritual goal.
Moslem boys do it when rote learning the Koran. 'Spiritual
goal' is probably a euphomism for 'self brain washing'
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County
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| User: "Jason" |
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| Title: Re: Evolution has become a state religion |
17 Nov 2005 03:29:43 PM |
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In article <MPG.1de69b327ee0e09f989bf6@news.buckeye-express.com>, BDK
<kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote:
In article <3u3iqhFs9otcU1@individual.net>,
says...
"BDK" <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1de5d155dabcb8d989bf4@news.buckeye-express.com...
In article <3u1fvkFv75i9U1@individual.net>,
snip
Eeeeeek! Where do you find these people?
I feel sorry for their 3 kids..
Me too :(
That guy's wife looks like a fatter than she ever was Roseanne Barr,
with red hair and lots of freckles. One guy at work calls her "Jabba the
Fundy". I shot tea all over my monitor when he said that.
LOL! I don't blame you ;)
She must weigh
close to 3 times what her hubby does, who quit his last job, managing a
Christian bookstore, because gawd told him to one day.
Get out! WTF?
He sat at home
for a couple of years, before god told him to get a job again. Sheesh.
Who paid the bills? God?
No, the wife worked and his folks gave them money.
Where I work at, about half the people there 5 years ago were foaming at
the mouth fundies, who IMO, shouldn't have been allowed to have custody
of kids at all.
Holy crap. Where the heck do you live?
Northwestern Ohio.
They almost all seemed to have a kid that had some sort
of medical problem related to stress, like irritable bowel, or colitis,
or they had a druggie son, or a daughter who was "busy" sex wise.
Lawd be praised <cough>
LOL.
I was always very uncomfortable around them, especially when they would
ask me to come to the prayer meetings.
Oh my. Last time I was asked that was back in college. A very curt "No,
thank you" worked quite well.
It didn't seem to stop them from asking me until I got pretty blunt
about it, and you could see the anger behind the smile while they said
it was ok..
I tried to be nice, but I
couldn't really hide my feelings of distaste (don't know how to really
describe how I feel around fundies, I'm more comfortable around actual
mental patients!) when they asked me.
There are only a couple of "foamer" fundies left, and one other one who
does a whole lot of bible reading and highlighting, and nodding, etc.
He never talks about his beliefs at all.
Thank goodness for that.
The quiet one was late today, he was praying and lost track of time.
Sheesh.
BDK
BDK,
Your posts are interesting. LOL
Jason
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| User: "BDK" |
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| Title: Re: Evolution has become a state religion |
17 Nov 2005 09:53:47 PM |
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In article <jason-1711051329440001@pm4-broad-57.snlo.dialup.fix.net>,
jason@nospam.com says...
In article <MPG.1de69b327ee0e09f989bf6@news.buckeye-express.com>, BDK
<kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote:
In article <3u3iqhFs9otcU1@individual.net>,
says...
"BDK" <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1de5d155dabcb8d989bf4@news.buckeye-express.com...
In article <3u1fvkFv75i9U1@individual.net>,
snip
Eeeeeek! Where do you find these people?
I feel sorry for their 3 kids..
Me too :(
That guy's wife looks like a fatter than she ever was Roseanne Barr,
with red hair and lots of freckles. One guy at work calls her "Jabba the
Fundy". I shot tea all over my monitor when he said that.
LOL! I don't blame you ;)
She must weigh
close to 3 times what her hubby does, who quit his last job, managing a
Christian bookstore, because gawd told him to one day.
Get out! WTF?
He sat at home
for a couple of years, before god told him to get a job again. Sheesh.
Who paid the bills? God?
No, the wife worked and his folks gave them money.
Where I work at, about half the people there 5 years ago were foaming at
the mouth fundies, who IMO, shouldn't have been allowed to have custody
of kids at all.
Holy crap. Where the heck do you live?
Northwestern Ohio.
They almost all seemed to have a kid that had some sort
of medical problem related to stress, like irritable bowel, or colitis,
or they had a druggie son, or a daughter who was "busy" sex wise.
Lawd be praised <cough>
LOL.
I was always very uncomfortable around them, especially when they would
ask me to come to the prayer meetings.
Oh my. Last time I was asked that was back in college. A very curt "No,
thank you" worked quite well.
It didn't seem to stop them from asking me until I got pretty blunt
about it, and you could see the anger behind the smile while they said
it was ok..
I tried to be nice, but I
couldn't really hide my feelings of distaste (don't know how to really
describe how I feel around fundies, I'm more comfortable around actual
mental patients!) when they asked me.
There are only a couple of "foamer" fundies left, and one other one who
does a whole lot of bible reading and highlighting, and nodding, etc.
He never talks about his beliefs at all.
Thank goodness for that.
The quiet one was late today, he was praying and lost track of time.
Sheesh.
BDK
BDK,
Your posts are interesting. LOL
Jason
I'm glad you like them.
BDK
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| User: "Jason" |
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| Title: Re: Evolution has become a state religion |
16 Nov 2005 11:16:37 PM |
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In article <MPG.1de5d155dabcb8d989bf4@news.buckeye-express.com>, BDK
<kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote:
In article <3u1fvkFv75i9U1@individual.net>,
says...
"BDK" <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1de540b83bfff384989bf1@news.buckeye-express.com...
snip
I bet you believe the story about Noah's ark too.
The worst loon at work got bright red in the face when we "mocked his
belief in Adam and Eve". I thought he was going to cry before it was all
done, but he just got a badly shaking lower lip.
But don't get him started on "predestination", or Calvinism, because if
you do, you can watch the madness take over. It's kind of spooky, and I
have to fight the urge to shake the ***** out of his scrawny ***** and try
to snap him back to reality/sanity.
Oh my.
Noah's ark? He says it's 100% true. When you happen to mention that we
today couldn't build a ship big enough, and if we did, it would fall
apart, and he says "God kept it together for 40 days", and "That's why
the dinosaurs are dead!"
NO! Holy crap.
His wife makes him seem like a fun guy. She's almost as scary looking as
the whackjob woman on Trading Spouses last week.
Eeeeeek! Where do you find these people?
I feel sorry for their 3 kids..
Me too :(
That guy's wife looks like a fatter than she ever was Roseanne Barr,
with red hair and lots of freckles. One guy at work calls her "Jabba the
Fundy". I shot tea all over my monitor when he said that. She must weigh
close to 3 times what her hubby does, who quit his last job, managing a
Christian bookstore, because gawd told him to one day. He sat at home
for a couple of years, before god told him to get a job again. Sheesh.
Where I work at, about half the people there 5 years ago were foaming at
the mouth fundies, who IMO, shouldn't have been allowed to have custody
of kids at all. They almost all seemed to have a kid that had some sort
of medical problem related to stress, like irritable bowel, or colitis,
or they had a druggie son, or a daughter who was "busy" sex wise.
I was always very uncomfortable around them, especially when they would
ask me to come to the prayer meetings. I tried to be nice, but I
couldn't really hide my feelings of distaste (don't know how to really
describe how I feel around fundies, I'm more comfortable around actual
mental patients!) when they asked me.
There are only a couple of "foamer" fundies left, and one other one who
does a whole lot of bible reading and highlighting, and nodding, etc.
He never talks about his beliefs at all.
BDK
Why would you continue to work around those people? I am a Christian and I
would not want to work with them. Most Christians are normal people. When
I was in college, some of the non-Christians were involved in the use of
LSD and various other types of drugs. They were weird--spaced out most of
the time. However, I have also worked with some non-Christians in recent
years. They were wonderful people that were easy to work with.
There are weird people that are Christians and weird people that are
non-Christians. There are also some wonderful people that are Christians
and wonderful people that are non-Christians.
Jason
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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17 Nov 2005 08:38:25 AM |
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"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
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snip
Why would you continue to work around those people?
Ever think that perhaps it was a good job otherwise? Maybe the pay was
great, who knows.
I am a Christian and I
would not want to work with them. Most Christians are normal people.
Oh really? You know "most christians"?
When
I was in college, some of the non-Christians were involved in the use of
LSD and various other types of drugs. They were weird--spaced out most of
the time. However, I have also worked with some non-Christians in recent
years. They were wonderful people that were easy to work with.
There are weird people that are Christians and weird people that are
non-Christians. There are also some wonderful people that are Christians
and wonderful people that are non-Christians.
No kidding. What's your point?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "BDK" |
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| Title: Re: Evolution has become a state religion |
17 Nov 2005 12:47:47 PM |
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In article <jason-1611052116370001@pm4-broad-0.snlo.dialup.fix.net>,
jason@nospam.com says...
In article <MPG.1de5d155dabcb8d989bf4@news.buckeye-express.com>, BDK
<kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote:
In article <3u1fvkFv75i9U1@individual.net>,
says...
"BDK" <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1de540b83bfff384989bf1@news.buckeye-express.com...
snip
I bet you believe the story about Noah's ark too.
The worst loon at work got bright red in the face when we "mocked his
belief in Adam and Eve". I thought he was going to cry before it was all
done, but he just got a badly shaking lower lip.
But don't get him started on "predestination", or Calvinism, because if
you do, you can watch the madness take over. It's kind of spooky, and I
have to fight the urge to shake the ***** out of his scrawny ***** and try
to snap him back to reality/sanity.
Oh my.
Noah's ark? He says it's 100% true. When you happen to mention that we
today couldn't build a ship big enough, and if we did, it would fall
apart, and he says "God kept it together for 40 days", and "That's why
the dinosaurs are dead!"
NO! Holy crap.
His wife makes him seem like a fun guy. She's almost as scary looking as
the whackjob woman on Trading Spouses last week.
Eeeeeek! Where do you find these people?
I feel sorry for their 3 kids..
Me too :(
That guy's wife looks like a fatter than she ever was Roseanne Barr,
with red hair and lots of freckles. One guy at work calls her "Jabba the
Fundy". I shot tea all over my monitor when he said that. She must weigh
close to 3 times what her hubby does, who quit his last job, managing a
Christian bookstore, because gawd told him to one day. He sat at home
for a couple of years, before god told him to get a job again. Sheesh.
Where I work at, about half the people there 5 years ago were foaming at
the mouth fundies, who IMO, shouldn't have been allowed to have custody
of kids at all. They almost all seemed to have a kid that had some sort
of medical problem related to stress, like irritable bowel, or colitis,
or they had a druggie son, or a daughter who was "busy" sex wise.
I was always very uncomfortable around them, especially when they would
ask me to come to the prayer meetings. I tried to be nice, but I
couldn't really hide my feelings of distaste (don't know how to really
describe how I feel around fundies, I'm more comfortable around actual
mental patients!) when they asked me.
There are only a couple of "foamer" fundies left, and one other one who
does a whole lot of bible reading and highlighting, and nodding, etc.
He never talks about his beliefs at all.
BDK
Why would you continue to work around those people? I am a Christian and I
would not want to work with them. Most Christians are normal people. When
I was in college, some of the non-Christians were involved in the use of
LSD and various other types of drugs. They were weird--spaced out most of
the time. However, I have also worked with some non-Christians in recent
years. They were wonderful people that were easy to work with.
There are weird people that are Christians and weird people that are
non-Christians. There are also some wonderful people that are Christians
and wonderful people that are non-Christians.
Jason
I'm not saying that all christians are like that. There have been weird
non christians too, but only a couple even approach the insanity of
quite a few of the more "rabid" ones down at work. I work at night, so I
only saw them a couple of times a week for an hour each or so, so it
wasn't that big a deal. The place for a while was about 40% christian,
30% gay, and 30% non religious, and even though some of the gay guys
were total flamers, and the lesbians were little lumberjack look alikes,
they didn't make me as uncomfortable as the christians did to be around.
I have been around a lot of people who did LSD and a lot of other drugs,
and I have to say that most of the more extreme christians I worked
with, and had gone to college with, were far more insane than all the
druggies but one "burn out" who basically has to be taken care of 24/7
due to his brain suffering a lack of oxygen during an overdose.
There are some nice christians, but they are few and far between, in my
experience...
BDK
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| User: "Jason" |
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| Title: Re: Evolution has become a state religion |
17 Nov 2005 03:28:05 PM |
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In article <MPG.1de69a5b58df7e64989bf5@news.buckeye-express.com>, BDK
<kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote:
In article <jason-1611052116370001@pm4-broad-0.snlo.dialup.fix.net>,
jason@nospam.com says...
In article <MPG.1de5d155dabcb8d989bf4@news.buckeye-express.com>, BDK
<kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote:
In article <3u1fvkFv75i9U1@individual.net>,
says...
"BDK" <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1de540b83bfff384989bf1@news.buckeye-express.com...
snip
I bet you believe the story about Noah's ark too.
The worst loon at work got bright red in the face when we "mocked his
belief in Adam and Eve". I thought he was going to cry before it
was all
done, but he just got a badly shaking lower lip.
But don't get him started on "predestination", or Calvinism,
because if
you do, you can watch the madness take over. It's kind of
spooky, and I
have to fight the urge to shake the ***** out of his scrawny *****
and try
to snap him back to reality/sanity.
Oh my.
Noah's ark? He says it's 100% true. When you happen to mention that we
today couldn't build a ship big enough, and if we did, it would fall
apart, and he says "God kept it together for 40 days", and "That's why
the dinosaurs are dead!"
NO! Holy crap.
His wife makes him seem like a fun guy. She's almost as scary
looking as
the whackjob woman on Trading Spouses last week.
Eeeeeek! Where do you find these people?
I feel sorry for their 3 kids..
Me too :(
That guy's wife looks like a fatter than she ever was Roseanne Barr,
with red hair and lots of freckles. One guy at work calls her "Jabba the
Fundy". I shot tea all over my monitor when he said that. She must weigh
close to 3 times what her hubby does, who quit his last job, managing a
Christian bookstore, because gawd told him to one day. He sat at home
for a couple of years, before god told him to get a job again. Sheesh.
Where I work at, about half the people there 5 years ago were foaming at
the mouth fundies, who IMO, shouldn't have been allowed to have custody
of kids at all. They almost all seemed to have a kid that had some sort
of medical problem related to stress, like irritable bowel, or colitis,
or they had a druggie son, or a daughter who was "busy" sex wise.
I was always very uncomfortable around them, especially when they would
ask me to come to the prayer meetings. I tried to be nice, but I
couldn't really hide my feelings of distaste (don't know how to really
describe how I feel around fundies, I'm more comfortable around actual
mental patients!) when they asked me.
There are only a couple of "foamer" fundies left, and one other one who
does a whole lot of bible reading and highlighting, and nodding, etc.
He never talks about his beliefs at all.
BDK
Why would you continue to work around those people? I am a Christian and I
would not want to work with them. Most Christians are normal people. When
I was in college, some of the non-Christians were involved in the use of
LSD and various other types of drugs. They were weird--spaced out most of
the time. However, I have also worked with some non-Christians in recent
years. They were wonderful people that were easy to work with.
There are weird people that are Christians and weird people that are
non-Christians. There are also some wonderful people that are Christians
and wonderful people that are non-Christians.
Jason
I'm not saying that all christians are like that. There have been weird
non christians too, but only a couple even approach the insanity of
quite a few of the more "rabid" ones down at work. I work at night, so I
only saw them a couple of times a week for an hour each or so, so it
wasn't that big a deal. The place for a while was about 40% christian,
30% gay, and 30% non religious, and even though some of the gay guys
were total flamers, and the lesbians were little lumberjack look alikes,
they didn't make me as uncomfortable as the christians did to be around.
I have been around a lot of people who did LSD and a lot of other drugs,
and I have to say that most of the more extreme christians I worked
with, and had gone to college with, were far more insane than all the
druggies but one "burn out" who basically has to be taken care of 24/7
due to his brain suffering a lack of oxygen during an overdose.
There are some nice christians, but they are few and far between, in my
experience...
BDK
BDK,
There are lots of weird and wonderful people in the world. I try my best
to avoid being around the weird people. I once worked with a weird person.
I would only talk with him if it was related directly to work. I would
avoid talking to him about any other subject. I tried to avoid being
around him. Therefore, I could relate to what you stated about the weird
Christians. I have also met some weird Christians.
Jason
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16 Nov 2005 10:04:22 AM |
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"The Bible does provide some information. The first several chapters of
the Bible explain that God created Adam and Eve, lots of plants and lots
of animals. The advocates of creation science are of the opinion that
micro-evolution took over after the creation was finished. It's my opinion
that some of the plants and animals became the so called "common
ancestral"
The bible doesn't say how life was created or how the various life forms
were created. God could have breathed into the nostrils of a primate to
form humans, you do not know because the bible doesn't say. All life
could have started from one cell created and evolved then these billions
of years and nothing in the first chapeters of genesis says this did not
happen. It says life and various forms were created period.
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16 Nov 2005 02:22:08 PM |
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In article <437b5886$0$76288$4d5ecec7@reader.city-net.com>,
outsor@citynet.net wrote:
"The Bible does provide some information. The first several chapters of
the Bible explain that God created Adam and Eve, lots of plants and lots
of animals. The advocates of creation science are of the opinion that
micro-evolution took over after the creation was finished. It's my opinion
that some of the plants and animals became the so called "common
ancestral"
The bible doesn't say how life was created or how the various life forms
were created. God could have breathed into the nostrils of a primate to
form humans, you do not know because the bible doesn't say. All life
could have started from one cell created and evolved then these billions
of years and nothing in the first chapeters of genesis says this did not
happen. It says life and various forms were created period.
Great points--The Bible does not discuss the mechanisms God used to create life.
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16 Nov 2005 02:23:18 PM |
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"The Bible does not discuss the mechanisms God used to create life"
Which makes cs irrelevant and equally irellevant appeals to scripture and
no reason to invent the entire cs set of fairy. tales about how it
happened in place of evolution.
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16 Nov 2005 05:17:13 PM |
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In article <437b9536$0$76285$4d5ecec7@reader.city-net.com>,
outsor@citynet.net wrote:
"The Bible does not discuss the mechanisms God used to create life"
Which makes cs irrelevant and equally irellevant appeals to scripture and
no reason to invent the entire cs set of fairy. tales about how it
happened in place of evolution.
I disagree. The only examples that comes to mind are the big bang theory
and evolution theory.
The scientists don't have any facts to prove how the matter that exploded
came to be. They also don't know what caused the matter to explode.
However, those scientists believe that the big bang did occur. The
evolutionists believe that life evolved from non-life despite not having
any proof about how it occurred.
Despite the above facts--the big band and evolution are theories.
The Bible does not reveal how God created life--but the Bible clearly
states that God did create life.
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17 Nov 2005 08:17:49 AM |
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"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
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I disagree. The only examples that comes to mind are the big bang theory
and evolution theory.
The scientists don't have any facts to prove how the matter that exploded
came to be. They also don't know what caused the matter to explode.
However, those scientists believe that the big bang did occur. The
evolutionists believe that life evolved from non-life despite not having
any proof about how it occurred.
Despite the above facts--the big band and evolution are theories.
Big band? Do they play any John Philip Sousa?
The Bible does not reveal how God created life--but the Bible clearly
states that God did create life.
So what? It's just a book of myths.
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16 Nov 2005 06:54:43 PM |
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"The Bible does not reveal how God created life--but the Bible clearly
states that God did create life."
Which makes cs irrelevant and the fairy tales they invented equally so.
God could have put one cell on earth and away went the whole thing.
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16 Nov 2005 08:41:13 PM |
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In article <437bd4d3$0$76287$4d5ecec7@reader.city-net.com>,
outsor@citynet.net wrote:
"The Bible does not reveal how God created life--but the Bible clearly
states that God did create life."
Which makes cs irrelevant and the fairy tales they invented equally so.
God could have put one cell on earth and away went the whole thing.
The Bible does not say or even imply that he placed one cell on the
earth--read the first chapter of the Bible.
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17 Nov 2005 07:38:04 AM |
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"The Bible does not say or even imply that he placed one cell on the
earth--read the first chapter of the Bible."
It says nothing about How he created, it says He did. Like so many other
things your direction to do this or that assumes your experience is
superior to others in the same thing. Your grasp of biblical studies, cs
and id, and science are equally weak and leave you mucking about in a
swamp of ignorance and allowing yourself to be spoon fed by icr because
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16 Nov 2005 10:45:58 PM |
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On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:41:13 -0800, in alt.atheism
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<jason-1611051841130001@pm4-broad-22.snlo.dialup.fix.net>:
In article <437bd4d3$0$76287$4d5ecec7@reader.city-net.com>,
outsor@citynet.net wrote:
"The Bible does not reveal how God created life--but the Bible clearly
states that God did create life."
Which makes cs irrelevant and the fairy tales they invented equally so.
God could have put one cell on earth and away went the whole thing.
The Bible does not say or even imply that he placed one cell on the
earth--read the first chapter of the Bible.
I read an allegory about God and His relation to people. I don't see any
scientific claims at all in it.
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17 Nov 2005 04:02:14 AM |
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On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:17:13 -0800, (Jason) wrote:
In article <437b9536$0$76285$4d5ecec7@reader.city-net.com>,
outsor@citynet.net wrote:
"The Bible does not discuss the mechanisms God used to create life"
Which makes cs irrelevant and equally irellevant appeals to scripture and
no reason to invent the entire cs set of fairy. tales about how it
happened in place of evolution.
I disagree. The only examples that comes to mind are the big bang theory
and evolution theory.
The scientists don't have any facts to prove how the matter that exploded
came to be. They also don't know what caused the matter to explode.
However, those scientists believe that the big bang did occur.
No Jason they do not. The evidence they have seems to point to a
big-bang having occurred (the theory) and they are looking for
additional evidence down that path, which either demonstrates it as
true or false. This is research and exploration not worship, they do
not know what lies at the end of the path.
The
evolutionists believe that life evolved from non-life despite not having
any proof about how it occurred.
Again they do not. This evolutionist does not have a clue. Darwin
believed the first life was created by a god but he believed this as
a Christian not because he thought it might be possible that
evolution occurred from this first simple life (as seems to have
beenamply demonstrated now)
Despite the above facts--the big band and evolution are theories.
Exactly, one tentative the other getting almost probably true.
The Bible does not reveal how God created life--but the Bible clearly
states that God did create life.
But does not state how it knows there is a god, where it got the
notion of a god from or that it created life. It is nothing more
than opinion. And like any opinion, whether it was expressed
yesterday or over 2000 years it it is only as good as the evidence
which supports it. If it has no evidence of anykind it is just
worthless and irrational belief.
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
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17 Nov 2005 09:44:03 AM |
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In article <hlkon1phiqc0aafqbarvcgjjkph59c1ab9@4ax.com>, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:17:13 -0800, (Jason) wrote:
In article <437b9536$0$76285$4d5ecec7@reader.city-net.com>,
outsor@citynet.net wrote:
"The Bible does not discuss the mechanisms God used to create life"
Which makes cs irrelevant and equally irellevant appeals to scripture and
no reason to invent the entire cs set of fairy. tales about how it
happened in place of evolution.
I disagree. The only examples that comes to mind are the big bang theory
and evolution theory.
The scientists don't have any facts to prove how the matter that exploded
came to be. They also don't know what caused the matter to explode.
However, those scientists believe that the big bang did occur.
No Jason they do not. The evidence they have seems to point to a
big-bang having occurred (the theory) and they are looking for
additional evidence down that path, which either demonstrates it as
true or false. This is research and exploration not worship, they do
not know what lies at the end of the path.
The
evolutionists believe that life evolved from non-life despite not having
any proof about how it occurred.
Again they do not. This evolutionist does not have a clue. Darwin
believed the first life was created by a god but he believed this as
a Christian not because he thought it might be possible that
evolution occurred from this first simple life (as seems to have
beenamply demonstrated now)
Despite the above facts--the big band and evolution are theories.
Exactly, one tentative the other getting almost probably true.
The Bible does not reveal how God created life--but the Bible clearly
states that God did create life.
But does not state how it knows there is a god, where it got the
notion of a god from or that it created life. It is nothing more
than opinion. And like any opinion, whether it was expressed
yesterday or over 2000 years it it is only as good as the evidence
which supports it. If it has no evidence of anykind it is just
worthless and irrational belief.
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County
Les,
You made some excellent points. As I have mentioned before,
we do have fossil evidence that supports creation science
--not macro-evolution. If macro-evolution was a valid theory,
there should be lots of different fossils revealing
transitional forms. That's not the case.
Jason
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17 Nov 2005 08:51:48 AM |
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"As I have mentioned before, we do have fossil evidence that supports
creation science --not macro-evolution. If macro-evolution was a valid
theory, there should be lots of different fossils revealing transitional
forms. That's not the case."
Ah, we see you have been going o the icr site for some answers. What you
are calling evidence is only related to one specific variation of
evolution and fails to account for transitional fossels known. The macro
reality is that millions of years ago there species which do not exist
today and those seen today did not exist then. That single fact alone is
enough to toss the entire cs set of fairy tales, it is macro evolution.
As for transitional species, what do you know about punctuated
equilibrium?
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17 Nov 2005 10:35:42 AM |
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Jason wrote:
Les,
You made some excellent points. As I have mentioned before,
we do have fossil evidence that supports creation science
--not macro-evolution. If macro-evolution was a valid theory,
there should be lots of different fossils revealing
transitional forms. That's not the case.
Jason
Not true, Jason.
You are assuming that the transitional forms hung around long enough to
become an important part of the fossil record. There are many natural
phenomena that happen in fits and starts. It is not unreasonable to
expect biological evolution to have progressed in the same manner.
Therefore, from one stage to a different one could have happened
quickly, leaving no record of the transition.
JP
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17 Nov 2005 12:40:12 PM |
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In article <dlibgd$n4d$1@nntp.msstate.edu>, Jim Hutton
<nogods@lestrade.c-o-m> wrote:
Jason wrote:
Les,
You made some excellent points. As I have mentioned before,
we do have fossil evidence that supports creation science
--not macro-evolution. If macro-evolution was a valid theory,
there should be lots of different fossils revealing
transitional forms. That's not the case.
Jason
Not true, Jason.
You are assuming that the transitional forms hung around long enough to
become an important part of the fossil record. There are many natural
phenomena that happen in fits and starts. It is not unreasonable to
expect biological evolution to have progressed in the same manner.
Therefore, from one stage to a different one could have happened
quickly, leaving no record of the transition.
JP
JP,
If you are correct, how come we no longer see examples of this in animals
that are alive (or have been alive) in the last 50 years? For example, I
have not seen any articles in news magazines about animals that have
evoluted from one species to another.
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17 Nov 2005 12:48:55 PM |
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"If you are correct, how come we no longer see examples of this in animals
that are alive (or have been alive) in the last 50 years? For example, I
have not seen any articles in news magazines about animals that have
evoluted from one species to another."
Ah, but there are such reports and some can be found at the web sites to
which you were directed. I have seen them in news reports also because I
follow science news closely, Icr is not going to put them in their
newsletter, about the only thing you say you read and rely upon. Another
demonstration of the poor quality and depth of knowledge on the topics on
which you wax so freely, a complete freedom that ignorance allows.
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17 Nov 2005 03:13:35 PM |
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In article <437cd097$0$76287$4d5ecec7@reader.city-net.com>,
outsor@citynet.net wrote:
"If you are correct, how come we no longer see examples of this in animals
that are alive (or have been alive) in the last 50 years? For example, I
have not seen any articles in news magazines about animals that have
evoluted from one species to another."
Ah, but there are such reports and some can be found at the web sites to
which you were directed. I have seen them in news reports also because I
follow science news closely, Icr is not going to put them in their
newsletter, about the only thing you say you read and rely upon. Another
demonstration of the poor quality and depth of knowledge on the topics on
which you wax so freely, a complete freedom that ignorance allows.
Please tell me about one of those animals. Several weeks ago, I saw a
dog that looked more like a sheep than a dog. I should have asked the
person that was walking the dog what sort of dog it was. It's my guess
that if a vet. checked the genes of the strange looking dog that the
vet would tell me that it was a dog and not half sheep and half dog.
If you tell me about an animal that is in the process of evolving
into another species, please also include in your post what the
scientists have stated about the animal in regard to the genes.
Does the animal have the genes of two separate species?
Jason
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17 Nov 2005 02:26:50 PM |
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"Please tell me about one of those animals."
No, I have learned my lesson with you, at first I thought you were ernest
in wanting to know more then you obviously know and provided links for you
to learn, you refused to read them. The talk origins web site has
examples, do your own homework. If you refuse will not make the
information go away ostrich head in sand style.
"If you tell me about an animal that is in the process of evolving into
another species, please also include in your post what the scientists have
stated about the animal in regard to the genes. Does the animal have the
genes of two separate species?"
Your question exposes, once and repeatedly again, the level of ignorance
about science, a state that allows complete freedom to think anything for
having no basis for knowing anything else. A split into two species would
show almost completely shared genes but the two groups would not
interbreed, which is the working definition of species. Because they
would
not breed they would over time go their separate genetic way as we are
always changing genetically at a somewhat constant rate. Horses and zebras
are two different species but closely related and having a common ancestor
in the past that was neither horse or zebra. This is macro evolution, a
term I find has no meaning.
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17 Nov 2005 05:35:21 PM |
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In article <437ce78a$0$76287$4d5ecec7@reader.city-net.com>,
outsor@citynet.net wrote:
"Please tell me about one of those animals."
No, I have learned my lesson with you, at first I thought you were ernest
in wanting to know more then you obviously know and provided links for you
to learn, you refused to read them. The talk origins web site has
examples, do your own homework. If you refuse will not make the
information go away ostrich head in sand style.
"If you tell me about an animal that is in the process of evolving into
another species, please also include in your post what the scientists have
stated about the animal in regard to the genes. Does the animal have the
genes of two separate species?"
Your question exposes, once and repeatedly again, the level of ignorance
about science, a state that allows complete freedom to think anything for
having no basis for knowing anything else. A split into two species would
show almost completely shared genes but the two groups would not
interbreed, which is the working definition of species. Because they
would
not breed they would over time go their separate genetic way as we are
always changing genetically at a somewhat constant rate. Horses and zebras
are two different species but closely related and having a common ancestor
in the past that was neither horse or zebra. This is macro evolution, a
term I find has no meaning.
Tell me the URL of the website that has a picture of the type of animal
that you are referring to. I have never seen such an animal or ever recall
reading about an animal that in the process of evolving into another
species.
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"Tell me the URL of the website that has a picture of the type of animal
that you are referring to. I have never seen such an animal or ever recall
reading about an animal that in the process of evolving into another
species."
No, I will not do your homework for you considering having similar
information in past ignored, go to the talk origins web site and explore
for yourself. One speces doesn't evolve into another species, one species
splits and becomes two. Because they don't/can't interbreed anymore they
go their seperate genetic ways. In some instances the two species also
split and now we have 4 seperate species; that is macro evolution and an
example of what is called a speciation event. That you think a species
becomes something else is again and repeatably a display of what you do
not understand about evolution.
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17 Nov 2005 09:05:32 PM |
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In article <437d168d$0$76288$4d5ecec7@reader.city-net.com>,
outsor@citynet.net wrote:
"Tell me the URL of the website that has a picture of the type of animal
that you are referring to. I have never seen such an animal or ever recall
reading about an animal that in the process of evolving into another
species."
No, I will not do your homework for you considering having similar
information in past ignored, go to the talk origins web site and explore
for yourself. One speces doesn't evolve into another species, one species
splits and becomes two. Because they don't/can't interbreed anymore they
go their seperate genetic ways. In some instances the two species also
split and now we have 4 seperate species; that is macro evolution and an
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