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Religions > Atheism |
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"Katt" |
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31 Oct 2005 04:21:18 AM |
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Re: Evolution has become a state religion |
<iftikhargul@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1130604306.826905.25140@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Atheism is also a belief in non-existance of God
Nope. Stop lying about atheists.
and all beleivers in
atheism very strongly defend their belief, call it their narrow
mindedness or enlightment, it is no different than the passion people
expresses in their religious beliefs such as christianity.
I see: you now think you speak for all atheists as well as all Christians.
Fascinating symptom.
I separated
all beliefs including atheism. Looks like you are a narrow minded
person incapable of understanding intelligent arguments. Calling people
liars without provocation shows that you need to grow up.
You are still lying about atheism. Atheists don't have 'a belief in [the]
non-existance [sic] of God [sic]': the very *notion* of that specific
god-fantasy - one of countless thousands of such fantasies, all of them
completely without evidential support - *simply has no meaning* outside of
the (in your tradition's case) Biblical belief system. Furthermore,
'strength of conviction' or 'passion' are not in any sense proof of
'religion'; and rational belief founded on an evidential basis is NOT the
same as proudly and determinedly counter-factual 'religious faith'. So I
repeat: *Atheism is not a religion*.
God-deluded people and their appeasers continually try to bring these silly
superstitions before non-believers -- and these non-believers respond by
saying (i) that there is not the slightest evidence for any of the thousands
of different god-fantasies that have swarmed and multiplied in the darkness
of the primitive mind; and (ii) that an overwhelming mass of modern human
knowledge makes the existence of every one of these 'gods' completely
implausible, even where the actual claims of a given 'religion' aren't
ridiculous on strictly logical grounds. Atheism is as much a 'religion' as
*your rational and principled and determined refusal to believe in the
Easter Bunny* is 'a religion'. Atheism is merely *a position adopted with
regard to a religious issue*. And if you can't see the difference between
those two things, then you are pitiful as well as despicable.
Katt.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Evolution has become a state religion |
18 Nov 2005 11:22:11 PM |
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"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-1811052112460001@pm1-broad-103.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
In article <3u7onpFun17jU1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-1811052002210001@pm1-broad-103.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
In article <ef4tn1p7blnuoi28671fovpcenaae19usk@4ax.com>, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
snip
"[K]ept one of his children inside the Skinner box for several years"
implies that it was continuous.
As you showed us from the article you posted a number of times, it was
not a Skinner Box, it was a sleeping space; it was not a test of his
theory, it was a place to rest; she was not kept in it, she used it
for
sleeping; she was not kept in it for several years, she was in it when
she wanted to sleep; it was not an experiment, it was a small space
for
a child to sleep in.
A man of honesty and integrity would not be so defensive, trying to
make
excuses, but would admit that he was wrong and that what he had
misremembered was not what Skinner did.
[followup-to alt.atheism]
"Implied" is not the same thing as "stated".
I originally thought you only deluded, but rather sweet. Now, I am
saddened
to see that you are the typical dishonest theist that comes to
alt.atheism
all too often. I am very disappointed.
Rather than try to cover up, why don't you just admit you were wrong?
I told another poster that my memory must have failed me. I was under the
impression that Skinner forced the child to sleep in the box. Based on the
article, Skinner never forced the child to sleep in the box. I was wrong.
Thank you. Sadly, this kind of honesty from theists is a rarity here.
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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| Title: Re: Evolution has become a state religion |
19 Nov 2005 06:06:38 AM |
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 00:22:11 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-1811052112460001@pm1-broad-103.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
In article <3u7onpFun17jU1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-1811052002210001@pm1-broad-103.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
In article <ef4tn1p7blnuoi28671fovpcenaae19usk@4ax.com>, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
snip
"[K]ept one of his children inside the Skinner box for several years"
implies that it was continuous.
As you showed us from the article you posted a number of times, it was
not a Skinner Box, it was a sleeping space; it was not a test of his
theory, it was a place to rest; she was not kept in it, she used it
for
sleeping; she was not kept in it for several years, she was in it when
she wanted to sleep; it was not an experiment, it was a small space
for
a child to sleep in.
A man of honesty and integrity would not be so defensive, trying to
make
excuses, but would admit that he was wrong and that what he had
misremembered was not what Skinner did.
[followup-to alt.atheism]
"Implied" is not the same thing as "stated".
I originally thought you only deluded, but rather sweet. Now, I am
saddened
to see that you are the typical dishonest theist that comes to
alt.atheism
all too often. I am very disappointed.
Rather than try to cover up, why don't you just admit you were wrong?
I told another poster that my memory must have failed me. I was under the
impression that Skinner forced the child to sleep in the box. Based on the
article, Skinner never forced the child to sleep in the box. I was wrong.
Thank you. Sadly, this kind of honesty from theists is a rarity here.
He looked like he was going to go into "Duke" mode at one point. He
got dangerously close.
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Evolution has become a state religion |
19 Nov 2005 06:46:59 AM |
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"Les Hellawell" <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
news:185un19h79jijqatn7hvr23uaeecrf6td9@4ax.com...
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 00:22:11 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-1811052112460001@pm1-broad-103.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
In article <3u7onpFun17jU1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-1811052002210001@pm1-broad-103.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
In article <ef4tn1p7blnuoi28671fovpcenaae19usk@4ax.com>, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
snip
"[K]ept one of his children inside the Skinner box for several
years"
implies that it was continuous.
As you showed us from the article you posted a number of times, it
was
not a Skinner Box, it was a sleeping space; it was not a test of his
theory, it was a place to rest; she was not kept in it, she used it
for
sleeping; she was not kept in it for several years, she was in it
when
she wanted to sleep; it was not an experiment, it was a small space
for
a child to sleep in.
A man of honesty and integrity would not be so defensive, trying to
make
excuses, but would admit that he was wrong and that what he had
misremembered was not what Skinner did.
[followup-to alt.atheism]
"Implied" is not the same thing as "stated".
I originally thought you only deluded, but rather sweet. Now, I am
saddened
to see that you are the typical dishonest theist that comes to
alt.atheism
all too often. I am very disappointed.
Rather than try to cover up, why don't you just admit you were wrong?
I told another poster that my memory must have failed me. I was under
the
impression that Skinner forced the child to sleep in the box. Based on
the
article, Skinner never forced the child to sleep in the box. I was
wrong.
Thank you. Sadly, this kind of honesty from theists is a rarity here.
He looked like he was going to go into "Duke" mode at one point. He
got dangerously close.
I agree and I found that surprising. At least he made a come back of sorts
;)
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "Jim07D5" |
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| Title: Re: Evolution has become a state religion |
18 Nov 2005 11:26:37 PM |
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(Jason) said:
In article <3u7onpFun17jU1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" < > wrote in message
news:jason-1811052002210001@pm1-broad-103.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
In article <ef4tn1p7blnuoi28671fovpcenaae19usk@4ax.com>, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
snip
"[K]ept one of his children inside the Skinner box for several years"
implies that it was continuous.
As you showed us from the article you posted a number of times, it was
not a Skinner Box, it was a sleeping space; it was not a test of his
theory, it was a place to rest; she was not kept in it, she used it for
sleeping; she was not kept in it for several years, she was in it when
she wanted to sleep; it was not an experiment, it was a small space for
a child to sleep in.
A man of honesty and integrity would not be so defensive, trying to make
excuses, but would admit that he was wrong and that what he had
misremembered was not what Skinner did.
[followup-to alt.atheism]
"Implied" is not the same thing as "stated".
I originally thought you only deluded, but rather sweet. Now, I am saddened
to see that you are the typical dishonest theist that comes to alt.atheism
all too often. I am very disappointed.
Rather than try to cover up, why don't you just admit you were wrong?
I told another poster that my memory must have failed me. I was under the
impression that Skinner forced the child to sleep in the box. Based on the
article, Skinner never forced the child to sleep in the box. I was wrong.
I was pleased to learn that Skinner's daughter never developed mental
problems as a result of sleeping in the box.
That's great. Now, to see if you can understand more than one possible
reason why the NT might have been written to indicate that the OT
prophesies were fulfilled in the story of Jesus.
--- Jim07D5
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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| Title: Re: Evolution has become a state religion |
18 Nov 2005 11:16:51 PM |
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On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 21:12:46 -0800, in alt.atheism
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<jason-1811052112460001@pm1-broad-103.snlo.dialup.fix.net>:
In article <3u7onpFun17jU1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-1811052002210001@pm1-broad-103.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
In article <ef4tn1p7blnuoi28671fovpcenaae19usk@4ax.com>, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
snip
"[K]ept one of his children inside the Skinner box for several years"
implies that it was continuous.
As you showed us from the article you posted a number of times, it was
not a Skinner Box, it was a sleeping space; it was not a test of his
theory, it was a place to rest; she was not kept in it, she used it for
sleeping; she was not kept in it for several years, she was in it when
she wanted to sleep; it was not an experiment, it was a small space for
a child to sleep in.
A man of honesty and integrity would not be so defensive, trying to make
excuses, but would admit that he was wrong and that what he had
misremembered was not what Skinner did.
[followup-to alt.atheism]
"Implied" is not the same thing as "stated".
I originally thought you only deluded, but rather sweet. Now, I am saddened
to see that you are the typical dishonest theist that comes to alt.atheism
all too often. I am very disappointed.
Rather than try to cover up, why don't you just admit you were wrong?
I told another poster that my memory must have failed me. I was under the
impression that Skinner forced the child to sleep in the box. Based on the
article, Skinner never forced the child to sleep in the box. I was wrong.
I was pleased to learn that Skinner's daughter never developed mental
problems as a result of sleeping in the box.
Have you caught on that her sleeping structure was _not_ a Skinner Box,
even though it was a sort of box built by Skinner?
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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| Title: Re: Evolution has become a state religion |
18 Nov 2005 11:13:19 PM |
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On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:02:21 -0800, in alt.atheism
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<jason-1811052002210001@pm1-broad-103.snlo.dialup.fix.net>:
In article <ef4tn1p7blnuoi28671fovpcenaae19usk@4ax.com>, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:29:57 -0800, in alt.atheism
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<jason-1811051729570001@pm4-broad-50.snlo.dialup.fix.net>:
In article <3u7b7eFvj8a8U1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-1811051104250001@pm4-broad-10.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
In article <3u6ktuFvm70lU1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-1811051018020001@pm4-broad-10.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
In article <3u6gc0Fv4s66U1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
snip
BTW, when you have a moment, how about posting evidence that
there was
a
child in the Skinner Box and not a rat.
I advise you to do a google search of "Skinner" or the "Skinner Box".
Did that. No kids involved. Why did you think there were?
Visit the site mentioned at the end of the article. That same picture
One Man and a Baby Box
Jesus Christmas, why don't you post this a few more times? All this
proves
is that you were wrong when you claimed that Skinner kept a child in a box
for years.
Did I ever say or write that Skinner kept a child in a box 24 hours per
day for years? I don't recall ever saying that. I ask you: Did Skinner
ever keep his child in a special box? Did the story about the "child in a
box" appear in various magazines and books? Did you read the references at
the end of the article?
You don't come across as a man of integrity here. Yes, that was what you
wrote. This is exactly what you wrote:
Message-ID <jason-1811050813520001@pm4-broad-21.snlo.dialup.fix.net>
<begin quote>
When I was in college, we learned about B.F. Skinner. He created
"behavior modification" theory. He developed what was called the
"Skinner Box". There was a picture of it in our Psych 101 textbook. He
kept one of his children inside the Skinner box for several years to
test his theory. In my opinion, that is an example of a ridicules
experiment. I wonder whether or not the child developed mental problems.
<end quote>
"[K]ept one of his children inside the Skinner box for several years"
implies that it was continuous.
As you showed us from the article you posted a number of times, it was
not a Skinner Box, it was a sleeping space; it was not a test of his
theory, it was a place to rest; she was not kept in it, she used it for
sleeping; she was not kept in it for several years, she was in it when
she wanted to sleep; it was not an experiment, it was a small space for
a child to sleep in.
A man of honesty and integrity would not be so defensive, trying to make
excuses, but would admit that he was wrong and that what he had
misremembered was not what Skinner did.
[followup-to alt.atheism]
"Implied" is not the same thing as "stated". For example, a person might
say about a dog--"I kept the dog in the basement for three months but I
recently built a dog house and I no longer allow the dog to come inside
the house."
Does the above statement mean that the owner of the dog never took the dog
for a walk or allowed it to ever go outside? Some of the aspects of the
story that I told are true. Did you see the list of references. The story
has been written about in some magazines and books. I admit that my memory
is not perfect and I was under the impression that the parents forced the
child to sleep in the box. It appears that the child was never forced to
sleep in the box. Either the college text book was wrong or my memory
failed me.
You're getting better. You still don't see that the critical points of
your claims were wrong and that by defending the story you come across
as a weasel who refuses to own up to his mistake. Furthermore, since you
have not read the other articles that are referred to, you have no
reason to assume that they will defend your point of view.
By the way, what year were you in college. You implied in another
comment that the girl was a young girl when you were in college. She
would be 61 now. Are you 75?
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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| Title: Re: Evolution has become a state religion |
19 Nov 2005 04:38:37 AM |
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On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 19:50:56 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-1811051104250001@pm4-broad-10.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
In article <3u6ktuFvm70lU1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-1811051018020001@pm4-broad-10.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
In article <3u6gc0Fv4s66U1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
snip
BTW, when you have a moment, how about posting evidence that there was
a
child in the Skinner Box and not a rat.
I advise you to do a google search of "Skinner" or the "Skinner Box".
Did that. No kids involved. Why did you think there were?
Visit the site mentioned at the end of the article. That same picture
One Man and a Baby Box
Jesus Christmas, why don't you post this a few more times? All this proves
is that you were wrong when you claimed that Skinner kept a child in a box
for years.
So is this correct then? Jason claimed a child was kept in a box for
years and it is not true?
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Evolution has become a state religion |
19 Nov 2005 06:45:47 AM |
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"Les Hellawell" <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
news:o20un15fi6up2jbmi5tu5vdmsdp1cn29sv@4ax.com...
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 19:50:56 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-1811051104250001@pm4-broad-10.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
In article <3u6ktuFvm70lU1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-1811051018020001@pm4-broad-10.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
In article <3u6gc0Fv4s66U1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
snip
BTW, when you have a moment, how about posting evidence that there
was
a
child in the Skinner Box and not a rat.
I advise you to do a google search of "Skinner" or the "Skinner Box".
Did that. No kids involved. Why did you think there were?
Visit the site mentioned at the end of the article. That same picture
One Man and a Baby Box
Jesus Christmas, why don't you post this a few more times? All this
proves
is that you were wrong when you claimed that Skinner kept a child in a box
for years.
So is this correct then? Jason claimed a child was kept in a box for
years and it is not true?
Correct. He originally claimed that Skinner had done it as a behavioral
experiment. Turned out that it was just a sleeping box for his kid. No
experiment involved and the kid wasn't kept there involuntarily for years.
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "Jason" |
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| Title: Re: Evolution has become a state religion |
19 Nov 2005 09:30:21 AM |
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In article <3u8l3oF101aijU1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Les Hellawell" <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
news:o20un15fi6up2jbmi5tu5vdmsdp1cn29sv@4ax.com...
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 19:50:56 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-1811051104250001@pm4-broad-10.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
In article <3u6ktuFvm70lU1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-1811051018020001@pm4-broad-10.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
In article <3u6gc0Fv4s66U1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
snip
BTW, when you have a moment, how about posting evidence that there
was
a
child in the Skinner Box and not a rat.
I advise you to do a google search of "Skinner" or the "Skinner Box".
Did that. No kids involved. Why did you think there were?
Visit the site mentioned at the end of the article. That same picture
One Man and a Baby Box
Jesus Christmas, why don't you post this a few more times? All this
proves
is that you were wrong when you claimed that Skinner kept a child in a box
for years.
So is this correct then? Jason claimed a child was kept in a box for
years and it is not true?
Correct. He originally claimed that Skinner had done it as a behavioral
experiment. Turned out that it was just a sleeping box for his kid. No
experiment involved and the kid wasn't kept there involuntarily for years.
B.F. Skinner wrote an article about the box. He mentioned that it was an
"experiment". I don't believe that it was an experiment related to
behavior modication. However, it was an experiment related to a new method
of taking care of babies. Keeping babies in an enclosed box that has a
glass window does seem to be an "interesting" way of raising a baby. Upon
request, I will post the article. I should note that the baby not only
slept in the enclosed box but also "played" while she was inside the
enclosed box.
--
NEWSGROUP SUBSCRIBERS MOTTO
We respect those subscribers that ask for advice or provide advice.
We do NOT respect the subscribers that enjoy criticizing people.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Evolution has become a state religion |
19 Nov 2005 09:51:08 AM |
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"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-1911050730210001@pm4-broad-18.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
In article <3u8l3oF101aijU1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Les Hellawell" <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
news:o20un15fi6up2jbmi5tu5vdmsdp1cn29sv@4ax.com...
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 19:50:56 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-1811051104250001@pm4-broad-10.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
In article <3u6ktuFvm70lU1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-1811051018020001@pm4-broad-10.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
In article <3u6gc0Fv4s66U1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
snip
BTW, when you have a moment, how about posting evidence that
there
was
a
child in the Skinner Box and not a rat.
I advise you to do a google search of "Skinner" or the "Skinner
Box".
Did that. No kids involved. Why did you think there were?
Visit the site mentioned at the end of the article. That same picture
One Man and a Baby Box
Jesus Christmas, why don't you post this a few more times? All this
proves
is that you were wrong when you claimed that Skinner kept a child in a
box
for years.
So is this correct then? Jason claimed a child was kept in a box for
years and it is not true?
Correct. He originally claimed that Skinner had done it as a behavioral
experiment. Turned out that it was just a sleeping box for his kid. No
experiment involved and the kid wasn't kept there involuntarily for
years.
B.F. Skinner wrote an article about the box. He mentioned that it was an
"experiment". I don't believe that it was an experiment related to
behavior modication. However, it was an experiment related to a new method
of taking care of babies. Keeping babies in an enclosed box that has a
glass window does seem to be an "interesting" way of raising a baby. Upon
request, I will post the article. I should note that the baby not only
slept in the enclosed box but also "played" while she was inside the
enclosed box.
Oh, drop it already. Your original statement was wrong and you admitted
that.
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:30:21 -0800, in alt.atheism
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<jason-1911050730210001@pm4-broad-18.snlo.dialup.fix.net>:
In article <3u8l3oF101aijU1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Les Hellawell" <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 19:50:56 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
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In article <3u6ktuFvm70lU1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
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In article <3u6gc0Fv4s66U1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
snip
BTW, when you have a moment, how about posting evidence that there
was
a
child in the Skinner Box and not a rat.
I advise you to do a google search of "Skinner" or the "Skinner Box".
Did that. No kids involved. Why did you think there were?
Visit the site mentioned at the end of the article. That same picture
One Man and a Baby Box
Jesus Christmas, why don't you post this a few more times? All this
proves
is that you were wrong when you claimed that Skinner kept a child in a box
for years.
So is this correct then? Jason claimed a child was kept in a box for
years and it is not true?
Correct. He originally claimed that Skinner had done it as a behavioral
experiment. Turned out that it was just a sleeping box for his kid. No
experiment involved and the kid wasn't kept there involuntarily for years.
B.F. Skinner wrote an article about the box. He mentioned that it was an
"experiment". I don't believe that it was an experiment related to
behavior modication. However, it was an experiment related to a new method
of taking care of babies. Keeping babies in an enclosed box that has a
glass window does seem to be an "interesting" way of raising a baby. Upon
request, I will post the article. I should note that the baby not only
slept in the enclosed box but also "played" while she was inside the
enclosed box.
Babies and early toddlers are kept in relatively small play areas fairly
often. Are you not familiar with a playpen?
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19 Nov 2005 12:23:07 PM |
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In article <6uiun1pcbg1s6dchijfcfjftfbpcsm6qpb@4ax.com>, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:30:21 -0800, in alt.atheism
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<jason-1911050730210001@pm4-broad-18.snlo.dialup.fix.net>:
In article <3u8l3oF101aijU1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Les Hellawell" <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
news:o20un15fi6up2jbmi5tu5vdmsdp1cn29sv@4ax.com...
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 19:50:56 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-1811051104250001@pm4-broad-10.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
In article <3u6ktuFvm70lU1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-1811051018020001@pm4-broad-10.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
In article <3u6gc0Fv4s66U1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
snip
BTW, when you have a moment, how about posting evidence that there
was
a
child in the Skinner Box and not a rat.
I advise you to do a google search of "Skinner" or the
"Skinner Box".
Did that. No kids involved. Why did you think there were?
Visit the site mentioned at the end of the article. That same picture
One Man and a Baby Box
Jesus Christmas, why don't you post this a few more times? All this
proves
is that you were wrong when you claimed that Skinner kept a child
in a box
for years.
So is this correct then? Jason claimed a child was kept in a box for
years and it is not true?
Correct. He originally claimed that Skinner had done it as a behavioral
experiment. Turned out that it was just a sleeping box for his kid. No
experiment involved and the kid wasn't kept there involuntarily for years.
B.F. Skinner wrote an article about the box. He mentioned that it was an
"experiment". I don't believe that it was an experiment related to
behavior modication. However, it was an experiment related to a new method
of taking care of babies. Keeping babies in an enclosed box that has a
glass window does seem to be an "interesting" way of raising a baby. Upon
request, I will post the article. I should note that the baby not only
slept in the enclosed box but also "played" while she was inside the
enclosed box.
Babies and early toddlers are kept in relatively small play areas fairly
often. Are you not familiar with a playpen?
yes--however, I have never seen a baby kept in an enclosed box that has a
window. Have you ever seen anyone keep a baby in such a box? It appears
that some people think that keeping a baby in an enclosed box that has a
windown is great idea. I now agree with them. For example, that would
solve the problem related to babies that cry in the middle of the night.
Jason
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yes--however, I have never seen a baby kept in an enclosed box that has a
window. Have you ever seen anyone keep a baby in such a box? It appears
that some people think that keeping a baby in an enclosed box that has a
windown is great idea. I now agree with them.
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19 Nov 2005 01:35:33 PM |
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In article <3u9altFvut91U1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
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yes--however, I have never seen a baby kept in an enclosed box that has a
window. Have you ever seen anyone keep a baby in such a box? It appears
that some people think that keeping a baby in an enclosed box that has a
windown is great idea. I now agree with them.
Really? Name these people.
Read all of the posts related to people that criticized me when I
discussed the baby box. They claimed that Dr. Skinner done nothing wrong.
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19 Nov 2005 02:35:23 PM |
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"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
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In article <3u9altFvut91U1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
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yes--however, I have never seen a baby kept in an enclosed box that has
a
window. Have you ever seen anyone keep a baby in such a box? It appears
that some people think that keeping a baby in an enclosed box that has
a
windown is great idea. I now agree with them.
Really? Name these people.
Read all of the posts related to people that criticized me when I
discussed the baby box. They claimed that Dr. Skinner done nothing wrong.
Mainly because you were wrong about the baby box.
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19 Nov 2005 01:40:23 PM |
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(Jason) said:
In article <3u9altFvut91U1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" < > wrote in message
news:jason-1911051023070001@pm4-broad-15.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
snip
yes--however, I have never seen a baby kept in an enclosed box that has a
window. Have you ever seen anyone keep a baby in such a box? It appears
that some people think that keeping a baby in an enclosed box that has a
windown is great idea. I now agree with them.
Really? Name these people.
Read all of the posts related to people that criticized me when I
discussed the baby box. They claimed that Dr. Skinner done nothing wrong.
All I saw was them saying it was not a Skinner Box.
--- Jim07D5
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19 Nov 2005 02:19:49 PM |
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In article <hpvun1dcf9q4qgd1ubae0p472sk4ornbn6@4ax.com>, Jim07D5
<Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote:
jason@nospam.com (Jason) said:
In article <3u9altFvut91U1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-1911051023070001@pm4-broad-15.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
snip
yes--however, I have never seen a baby kept in an enclosed box that has a
window. Have you ever seen anyone keep a baby in such a box? It appears
that some people think that keeping a baby in an enclosed box that has a
windown is great idea. I now agree with them.
Really? Name these people.
Read all of the posts related to people that criticized me when I
discussed the baby box. They claimed that Dr. Skinner done nothing wrong.
All I saw was them saying it was not a Skinner Box.
--- Jim07D5
It was a box designed by Skinner. Did you notice the posts that stated
that Skinner never designed a baby box--just boxes designed to do
experiments with rats. I proved that he did design such a box and that he
even allowed the baby to sleep in the enclosed box throughout the night. I
don't believe they had "baby monitors" back in those days. Also, did you
notice that some of the people accused me of lying about Skinner's Baby
Box. Did you also notice that none of people have apologized to me?
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19 Nov 2005 02:36:33 PM |
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"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
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In article <hpvun1dcf9q4qgd1ubae0p472sk4ornbn6@4ax.com>, Jim07D5
<Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote:
jason@nospam.com (Jason) said:
In article <3u9altFvut91U1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
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snip
yes--however, I have never seen a baby kept in an enclosed box that
has a
window. Have you ever seen anyone keep a baby in such a box? It
appears
that some people think that keeping a baby in an enclosed box that
has a
windown is great idea. I now agree with them.
Really? Name these people.
Read all of the posts related to people that criticized me when I
discussed the baby box. They claimed that Dr. Skinner done nothing
wrong.
All I saw was them saying it was not a Skinner Box.
--- Jim07D5
It was a box designed by Skinner. Did you notice the posts that stated
that Skinner never designed a baby box--just boxes designed to do
experiments with rats. I proved that he did design such a box and that he
even allowed the baby to sleep in the enclosed box throughout the night. I
don't believe they had "baby monitors" back in those days. Also, did you
notice that some of the people accused me of lying about Skinner's Baby
Box. Did you also notice that none of people have apologized to me?
Why should anyone? You were wrong when you originally stated that Skinner
kept a child in the "baby box" for years as an experiment. Why should
anyone apologize for your error?
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19 Nov 2005 03:10:34 PM |
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In article <3u9gmeF101svbU1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
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In article <hpvun1dcf9q4qgd1ubae0p472sk4ornbn6@4ax.com>, Jim07D5
<Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote:
jason@nospam.com (Jason) said:
In article <3u9altFvut91U1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-1911051023070001@pm4-broad-15.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
snip
yes--however, I have never seen a baby kept in an enclosed box that
has a
window. Have you ever seen anyone keep a baby in such a box? It
appears
that some people think that keeping a baby in an enclosed box that
has a
windown is great idea. I now agree with them.
Really? Name these people.
Read all of the posts related to people that criticized me when I
discussed the baby box. They claimed that Dr. Skinner done nothing
wrong.
All I saw was them saying it was not a Skinner Box.
--- Jim07D5
It was a box designed by Skinner. Did you notice the posts that stated
that Skinner never designed a baby box--just boxes designed to do
experiments with rats. I proved that he did design such a box and that he
even allowed the baby to sleep in the enclosed box throughout the night. I
don't believe they had "baby monitors" back in those days. Also, did you
notice that some of the people accused me of lying about Skinner's Baby
Box. Did you also notice that none of people have apologized to me?
Why should anyone? You were wrong when you originally stated that Skinner
kept a child in the "baby box" for years as an experiment. Why should
anyone apologize for your error?
They should apologize for claiming that Skinner never developed a baby box.
I proved that he did devolop and use a baby box.
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(Jason) said:
In article <hpvun1dcf9q4qgd1ubae0p472sk4ornbn6@4ax.com>, Jim07D5
<Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote:
(Jason) said:
In article <3u9altFvut91U1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" < > wrote in message
news:jason-1911051023070001@pm4-broad-15.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
snip
yes--however, I have never seen a baby kept in an enclosed box that has a
window. Have you ever seen anyone keep a baby in such a box? It appears
that some people think that keeping a baby in an enclosed box that has a
windown is great idea. I now agree with them.
Really? Name these people.
Read all of the posts related to people that criticized me when I
discussed the baby box. They claimed that Dr. Skinner done nothing wrong.
All I saw was them saying it was not a Skinner Box.
--- Jim07D5
It was a box designed by Skinner. Did you notice the posts that stated
that Skinner never designed a baby box--just boxes designed to do
experiments with rats. I proved that he did design such a box and that he
even allowed the baby to sleep in the enclosed box throughout the night. I
don't believe they had "baby monitors" back in those days. Also, did you
notice that some of the people accused me of lying about Skinner's Baby
Box. Did you also notice that none of people have apologized to me?
I do not approve of calling mistakes lies. But I think it has to be
acknowledged as a mistake, or shown to be true, before calling it a
lie is unacceptable.
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19 Nov 2005 03:08:42 PM |
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In article <9l2vn1heip4mq9ou6o2g1uugp68ktm5670@4ax.com>, Jim07D5
<Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote:
jason@nospam.com (Jason) said:
In article <hpvun1dcf9q4qgd1ubae0p472sk4ornbn6@4ax.com>, Jim07D5
<Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote:
jason@nospam.com (Jason) said:
In article <3u9altFvut91U1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-1911051023070001@pm4-broad-15.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
snip
yes--however, I have never seen a baby kept in an enclosed box
that has a
window. Have you ever seen anyone keep a baby in such a box? It
appears
that some people think that keeping a baby in an enclosed box
that has a
windown is great idea. I now agree with them.
Really? Name these people.
Read all of the posts related to people that criticized me when I
discussed the baby box. They claimed that Dr. Skinner done nothing wrong.
All I saw was them saying it was not a Skinner Box.
--- Jim07D5
It was a box designed by Skinner. Did you notice the posts that stated
that Skinner never designed a baby box--just boxes designed to do
experiments with rats. I proved that he did design such a box and that he
even allowed the baby to sleep in the enclosed box throughout the night. I
don't believe they had "baby monitors" back in those days. Also, did you
notice that some of the people accused me of lying about Skinner's Baby
Box. Did you also notice that none of people have apologized to me?
I do not approve of calling mistakes lies. But I think it has to be
acknowledged as a mistake, or shown to be true, before calling it a
lie is unacceptable.
--- Jim07D5
I did make a mistake. It was my impression from the psych. class that
Skinner forced the baby to sleep in the box and play in the box. My memory
must have failed me. It was clear from the article that I posted that
Skinner never forced the baby to sleep in the box. The article did not
mention whether or not Skinner may or may not have used "behavior
modification" techniques to encourage his child to adjust to sleeping and
playing inside an enclosed box. Since he was an expert in the use of B.M.
(aka O.C.), it would not shock me if he did it.
I did not state (but may have implied) that Skinner kept his child in the
box 24 hours per day. I made some mistakes--sorry.
Jason
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19 Nov 2005 04:21:18 PM |
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(Jason) said:
In article <9l2vn1heip4mq9ou6o2g1uugp68ktm5670@4ax.com>, Jim07D5
<Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote:
(Jason) said:
In article <hpvun1dcf9q4qgd1ubae0p472sk4ornbn6@4ax.com>, Jim07D5
<Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote:
(Jason) said:
In article <3u9altFvut91U1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" < > wrote in message
news:jason-1911051023070001@pm4-broad-15.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
snip
yes--however, I have never seen a baby kept in an enclosed box
that has a
window. Have you ever seen anyone keep a baby in such a box? It
appears
that some people think that keeping a baby in an enclosed box
that has a
windown is great idea. I now agree with them.
Really? Name these people.
Read all of the posts related to people that criticized me when I
discussed the baby box. They claimed that Dr. Skinner done nothing wrong.
All I saw was them saying it was not a Skinner Box.
--- Jim07D5
It was a box designed by Skinner. Did you notice the posts that stated
that Skinner never designed a baby box--just boxes designed to do
experiments with rats. I proved that he did design such a box and that he
even allowed the baby to sleep in the enclosed box throughout the night. I
don't believe they had "baby monitors" back in those days. Also, did you
notice that some of the people accused me of lying about Skinner's Baby
Box. Did you also notice that none of people have apologized to me?
I do not approve of calling mistakes lies. But I think it has to be
acknowledged as a mistake, or shown to be true, before calling it a
lie is unacceptable.
--- Jim07D5
I did make a mistake. It was my impression from the psych. class that
Skinner forced the baby to sleep in the box and play in the box. My memory
must have failed me. It was clear from the article that I posted that
Skinner never forced the baby to sleep in the box. The article did not
mention whether or not Skinner may or may not have used "behavior
modification" techniques to encourage his child to adjust to sleeping and
playing inside an enclosed box. Since he was an expert in the use of B.M.
(aka O.C.), it would not shock me if he did it.
I did not state (but may have implied) that Skinner kept his child in the
box 24 hours per day. I made some mistakes--sorry.
Then you meet my criteria for what should not be called a lie.
--- Jim07D5
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19 Nov 2005 10:57:56 PM |
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In article <o89vn19q00himaqhuucrjr89j5mc2ulhn0@4ax.com>, Jim07D5
<Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote:
jason@nospam.com (Jason) said:
In article <9l2vn1heip4mq9ou6o2g1uugp68ktm5670@4ax.com>, Jim07D5
<Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote:
jason@nospam.com (Jason) said:
In article <hpvun1dcf9q4qgd1ubae0p472sk4ornbn6@4ax.com>, Jim07D5
<Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote:
jason@nospam.com (Jason) said:
In article <3u9altFvut91U1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-1911051023070001@pm4-broad-15.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
snip
yes--however, I have never seen a baby kept in an enclosed box
that has a
window. Have you ever seen anyone keep a baby in such a box? It
appears
that some people think that keeping a baby in an enclosed box
that has a
windown is great idea. I now agree with them.
Really? Name these people.
Read all of the posts related to people that criticized me when I
discussed the baby box. They claimed that Dr. Skinner done
nothing wrong.
All I saw was them saying it was not a Skinner Box.
--- Jim07D5
It was a box designed by Skinner. Did you notice the posts that stated
that Skinner never designed a baby box--just boxes designed to do
experiments with rats. I proved that he did design such a box and that he
even allowed the baby to sleep in the enclosed box throughout the night. I
don't believe they had "baby monitors" back in those days. Also, did you
notice that some of the people accused me of lying about Skinner's Baby
Box. Did you also notice that none of people have apologized to me?
I do not approve of calling mistakes lies. But I think it has to be
acknowledged as a mistake, or shown to be true, before calling it a
lie is unacceptable.
--- Jim07D5
I did make a mistake. It was my impression from the psych. class that
Skinner forced the baby to sleep in the box and play in the box. My memory
must have failed me. It was clear from the article that I posted that
Skinner never forced the baby to sleep in the box. The article did not
mention whether or not Skinner may or may not have used "behavior
modification" techniques to encourage his child to adjust to sleeping and
playing inside an enclosed box. Since he was an expert in the use of B.M.
(aka O.C.), it would not shock me if he did it.
I did not state (but may have implied) that Skinner kept his child in the
box 24 hours per day. I made some mistakes--sorry.
Then you meet my criteria for what should not be called a lie.
--- Jim07D5
Jim,
Thanks for your post.
Jason
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19 Nov 2005 03:36:20 PM |
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 20:33:16 GMT, in alt.atheism
Jim07D5 <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote in
<9l2vn1heip4mq9ou6o2g1uugp68ktm5670@4ax.com>:
jason@nospam.com (Jason) said:
In article <hpvun1dcf9q4qgd1ubae0p472sk4ornbn6@4ax.com>, Jim07D5
<Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote:
jason@nospam.com (Jason) said:
In article <3u9altFvut91U1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-1911051023070001@pm4-broad-15.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
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yes--however, I have never seen a baby kept in an enclosed box that has a
window. Have you ever seen anyone keep a baby in such a box? It appears
that some people think that keeping a baby in an enclosed box that has a
windown is great idea. I now agree with them.
Really? Name these people.
Read all of the posts related to people that criticized me when I
discussed the baby box. They claimed that Dr. Skinner done nothing wrong.
All I saw was them saying it was not a Skinner Box.
--- Jim07D5
It was a box designed by Skinner. Did you notice the posts that stated
that Skinner never designed a baby box--just boxes designed to do
experiments with rats. I proved that he did design such a box and that he
even allowed the baby to sleep in the enclosed box throughout the night. I
don't believe they had "baby monitors" back in those days. Also, did you
notice that some of the people accused me of lying about Skinner's Baby
Box. Did you also notice that none of people have apologized to me?
I do not approve of calling mistakes lies. But I think it has to be
acknowledged as a mistake, or shown to be true, before calling it a
lie is unacceptable.
I am willing to call mistaken statements lies under these circumstances:
1. The person making the statement intentionally makes a claim knowing
that it is untrue,
2. The person intentionally makes a claim and claims expertise that
would lead others expert in that field to conclude that the he should
have known that the claim was untrue, or
3. The person persists in repeating a mistaken claim after it has been
pointed out that the claim is mistaken.
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| Title: Re: Evolution has become a state religion |
19 Nov 2005 02:51:25 PM |
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 12:19:49 -0800, in alt.atheism
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<jason-1911051219490001@pm4-broad-15.snlo.dialup.fix.net>:
In article <hpvun1dcf9q4qgd1ubae0p472sk4ornbn6@4ax.com>, Jim07D5
<Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote:
jason@nospam.com (Jason) said:
In article <3u9altFvut91U1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-1911051023070001@pm4-broad-15.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
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yes--however, I have never seen a baby kept in an enclosed box that has a
window. Have you ever seen anyone keep a baby in such a box? It appears
that some people think that keeping a baby in an enclosed box that has a
windown is great idea. I now agree with them.
Really? Name these people.
Read all of the posts related to people that criticized me when I
discussed the baby box. They claimed that Dr. Skinner done nothing wrong.
All I saw was them saying it was not a Skinner Box.
--- Jim07D5
It was a box designed by Skinner. Did you notice the posts that stated
that Skinner never designed a baby box--just boxes designed to do
experiments with rats.
No one said that. What people said was that Skinner didn't ever have
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