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User:	"Robibnikoff"
Date:	20 Jan 2005 03:55:10 PM
Object:	Re: Evolution Ignorance

"Elroy Willis" <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message
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From:
http://www.creationevidence.org/cemframes.html

"Wait a minute. That means if one thing evolved into everything we
have today, evolutionists think we're related to animals."

<blink blink>

How can anyone in the real world actually believe that human
beings aren't animals? Seriously! How???

Damn. I'm not sure what to say about that. What a bunch of morons! And
people believe this?
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Resident Witchypoo
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User: "Gary Bohn"
Title: Re: Evolution Ignorance	20 Jan 2005 04:43:35 PM

"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in
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"Elroy Willis" <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message
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Damn. I'm not sure what to say about that. What a bunch of morons!
And people believe this?

People not only believe this, they have taken the cry 'Creation is a
better science than evolution' as their new mantra. Those who would
normally not discuss religion when in public are now extremely vocal and
open about the failure of evolution, considering it acceptable to
discuss because it is about science not religion. This new acceptance is
contributing to the promotion of this concept in areas not previously
broached by religion. I have heard it regurgitated as fact by people
whom I wouldn't normally consider religious. It is becoming a *very*
dangerous meme.
We as atheists need to be more active in areas that debunk this kind of
misinformation.
--
apatriot #23, aa #1779, Grand Poobah, EAC Department of Oxygen
Deprivation
Responsible for brain damage everywhere!
Gary Bohn
Science rationally modifies a theory to fit evidence, creationism
emotionally modifies evidence to fit the bible.
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User: "DianaC"
Title: Re: Evolution Ignorance	20 Jan 2005 05:41:09 PM

"Gary Bohn" <garybohn@REMOVETHISaccesscomm.ca> wrote in message
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in
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"Elroy Willis" <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message
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Damn. I'm not sure what to say about that. What a bunch of morons!
And people believe this?

People not only believe this, they have taken the cry 'Creation is a
better science than evolution' as their new mantra. Those who would
normally not discuss religion when in public are now extremely vocal and
open about the failure of evolution, considering it acceptable to
discuss because it is about science not religion. This new acceptance is
contributing to the promotion of this concept in areas not previously
broached by religion. I have heard it regurgitated as fact by people
whom I wouldn't normally consider religious. It is becoming a *very*
dangerous meme.

We as atheists need to be more active in areas that debunk this kind of
misinformation.

Not just you as atheists. The vast majority of theists who accept the theory
of evolution need to do some talking, too.
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User: "Gary Bohn"
Title: Re: Evolution Ignorance	20 Jan 2005 06:57:33 PM

"DianaC" <dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net> wrote in
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"Gary Bohn" <garybohn@REMOVETHISaccesscomm.ca> wrote in message
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in
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"Elroy Willis" <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message
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Damn. I'm not sure what to say about that. What a bunch of morons!
And people believe this?

People not only believe this, they have taken the cry 'Creation is a
better science than evolution' as their new mantra. Those who would
normally not discuss religion when in public are now extremely vocal
and open about the failure of evolution, considering it acceptable to
discuss because it is about science not religion. This new acceptance
is contributing to the promotion of this concept in areas not
previously broached by religion. I have heard it regurgitated as fact
by people whom I wouldn't normally consider religious. It is becoming
a *very* dangerous meme.

We as atheists need to be more active in areas that debunk this kind
of misinformation.

Not just you as atheists. The vast majority of theists who accept the
theory of evolution need to do some talking, too.

I couldn't agree more.
There aren't too many like that here though so I made a specific call to
my fellow atheists. We may also have more at stake than those sensible
theists. We and the other minorities.
--
apatriot #23, aa #1779, Grand Poobah, EAC Department of Oxygen
Deprivation
Responsible for brain damage everywhere!
Gary Bohn
Science rationally modifies a theory to fit evidence, creationism
emotionally modifies evidence to fit the bible.
.

User: "DianaC"
Title: Re: Evolution Ignorance	20 Jan 2005 09:20:49 PM

"Gary Bohn" <garybohn@REMOVETHISaccesscomm.ca> wrote in message
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<snip to>

Not just you as atheists. The vast majority of theists who accept the
theory of evolution need to do some talking, too.

The problem here isn't that so many theists are biblical creationists; they
are not, as a matter of fact. The problem is that those who ARE simply shout
louder and type in bigger fonts.
(sigh)
Diana
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User: "stoney"
Title: Re: Evolution Ignorance	23 Jan 2005 02:50:25 AM

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:41:09 GMT, "DianaC"
<dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net> wrote:

"Gary Bohn" <garybohn@REMOVETHISaccesscomm.ca> wrote in message
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in
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"Elroy Willis" <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message
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Damn. I'm not sure what to say about that. What a bunch of morons!
And people believe this?

Not just you as atheists. The vast majority of theists who accept the theory
of evolution need to do some talking, too.

Excellant point. Embarrass these idiots by laughing at them in
public. Make them a laughing stock.
--
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Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
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User: "sanguinevikings"
Title: Re: Evolution Ignorance	20 Jan 2005 05:16:07 PM

Gary Bohn wrote:

We as atheists need to be more active in areas that debunk this kind of
misinformation.

What, this? :
http://www.creationevidence.org/scientific_evid/coal/se_coal.html
or perhaps this? :
http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q=how+fucking+stupid+do+you+think+you+look%3F&sp-a=sp0609b800&sp-f=iso-8859-1
Or perhaps this:
http://www.creationevidence.org/cemframes.html?http%3A//www.creationevidence.org/fun_for_kids/fun_for_kids.html
Check out the bit about the Big Bang. I laughed so loud the neighbours
called the police.
.

User: "Robibnikoff"
Title: Re: Evolution Ignorance	20 Jan 2005 05:19:27 PM

"sanguinevikings" <spam@spam.not> wrote in message
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Gary Bohn wrote:

We as atheists need to be more active in areas that debunk this kind of
misinformation.

What, this? :
http://www.creationevidence.org/scientific_evid/coal/se_coal.html

or perhaps this? :
http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q=how+fucking+stupid+do+you+think+you+look%3F&sp-a=sp0609b800&sp-f=iso-8859-1

Or perhaps this:

http://www.creationevidence.org/cemframes.html?http%3A//www.creationevidence.org/fun_for_kids/fun_for_kids.html

Check out the bit about the Big Bang. I laughed so loud the neighbours
called the police.

Yeah, I really like the "What traits did god give you?" section, especially
the game where you're supposed to match the parents with the child. As an
adoptee, I personally find this quite offensive :P
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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User: "skyeyes"
Title: Re: Evolution Ignorance	21 Jan 2005 06:05:28 PM

Robibnikoff wrote:

Yeah, I really like the "What traits did god give you?" section,

especially

the game where you're supposed to match the parents with the child. As

adoptee, I personally find this quite offensive :P

You're adopted, Robyn? Me too!
Fundies, unfortunately, never think far enough ahead to grok the fact
that such a game might make adopted kids feel bad. And it's pretty
ironic, seeing as how they're always saying that people should put
unwanted babies up for adoption instead of aborting them. Hrmmmph.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herder
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User: "Robibnikoff"
Title: Re: Evolution Ignorance	22 Jan 2005 02:46:45 AM

"skyeyes" <skyeyes@dakotacom.net> wrote in message
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Robibnikoff wrote:

Yeah, I really like the "What traits did god give you?" section,

especially

the game where you're supposed to match the parents with the child. As

adoptee, I personally find this quite offensive :P

You're adopted, Robyn? Me too!

Welcome to the club! I've been in contact and have met my bmom. You? (If
it's not to personal, of course)

Fundies, unfortunately, never think far enough ahead to grok the fact
that such a game might make adopted kids feel bad.

I went through that ***** back in 6th grade when we were learning about
heredity in health. Our assignment was to go home and look at our parents
and see what we got from who (i.e., hair color, eye color, nose, etc.) I
just raised my hand and said that I couldn't do the assignment because I'd
never met my birth parents. Some kid made a stupid crack, the class
tittered, and the health teacher turned three shades of purple. I had never
felt funny about being adopted until that point. I think that teacher
learned a valuable lesson that day. Ironically, I didn't get an answer to
these questions until I was 40 :)
And it's pretty

ironic, seeing as how they're always saying that people should put
unwanted babies up for adoption instead of aborting them. Hrmmmph.

Exactly. Blech :P
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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User: "stoney"
Title: Re: Evolution Ignorance	23 Jan 2005 02:48:39 AM

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 21:46:45 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

"skyeyes" <skyeyes@dakotacom.net> wrote in message
news:1106330728.049148.15930@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

Robibnikoff wrote:

Yeah, I really like the "What traits did god give you?" section,

especially

the game where you're supposed to match the parents with the child. As

adoptee, I personally find this quite offensive :P

You're adopted, Robyn? Me too!

Welcome to the club! I've been in contact and have met my bmom. You? (If
it's not to personal, of course)

Fundies, unfortunately, never think far enough ahead to grok the fact
that such a game might make adopted kids feel bad.

Embarrassment or rage?

I had never
felt funny about being adopted until that point. I think that teacher
learned a valuable lesson that day. Ironically, I didn't get an answer to
these questions until I was 40 :)

And it's pretty

ironic, seeing as how they're always saying that people should put
unwanted babies up for adoption instead of aborting them. Hrmmmph.

Exactly. Blech :P

--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
.

User: "towelie"
Title: Re: Evolution Ignorance	20 Jan 2005 05:32:25 PM

TV's sanguinevikings wrote:

Or perhaps this:

http://www.creationevidence.org/cemframes.html?http%3A//www.creationevidence.org/fun_for_kids/fun_for_kids.html
"Evolution teaches that tiny changes in the particles that make up the
universe took place over billions of years and eventually the earth, sun,
stars, and all the planets were formed."
And:
"Evolution teaches that everything in the whole universe was once packed
really tightly together, so it was the size of an electron."
I was not aware that evolution "taught" anything. Especially things that
have nothing to do with evolution.
I thought their bible told them not to bear false witness.
And look at those cartoon children at the top of the page. I'm going to
have nightmares for sure.
--
"Shake says that books are from the devil, and that TV is twice as fast" -
Meatwad
"The Constitution was written on reefer by dudes with wooden teeth" - OG Loc
aa #2133
ap #19
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User: "Gary Bohn"
Title: Re: Evolution Ignorance	20 Jan 2005 06:53:23 PM

sanguinevikings <spam@spam.not> wrote in
news:tuSdnWiAOLbRenLcRVnytg@brightview.com:

Gary Bohn wrote:

We as atheists need to be more active in areas that debunk this kind
of misinformation.

What, this? :
http://www.creationevidence.org/scientific_evid/coal/se_coal.html

or perhaps this? :
http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q=how+fucking+stupid+do+you+think+yo
u+look%3F&sp-a=sp0609b800&sp-f=iso-8859-1

Or perhaps this:

http://www.creationevidence.org/cemframes.html?http%3A//www.creationevi
dence.org/fun_for_kids/fun_for_kids.html

Check out the bit about the Big Bang. I laughed so loud the neighbours
called the police.

LOL.
It is quite funny to us, but those that 'believe' find it quite logical
and convincing.
So far most of the work done to combat this has been done by Scientists
and interested lay people. What hasn't happened is those that know the
corruption of religion getting behind those scientists. That's not to
say that many atheists haven't done what they could, just that there are
many more atheists out there than are evident in those active areas.
We as atheist may want to just lay back, believe what we will and
exercise our desire to be left alone, but that will become less possible
if the creationists get their anti-evolution/anti-science agenda into
the education system and among the populace.
It may feel appropriate to ignore or dismiss the Trolls that visit here
but for every one of us that posts there are a number of lurkers of both
belief systems reading our reaction. It's important that we not allow
religious Trolls to spout off nonsense without directly addressing it.
Some nonsense can be belittled or even ignored because it makes the
Troll look stupid or dishonest. A lot of the posts from Trolls sound
serious enough, and intelligent enough for lurkers to be swayed; these
posts warrant responses.
It's not enough to just deride and insult the Trolls without also giving
serious, well thought out and convincing responses.
I will now get off my soapbox.
<slppp><crack><thump>
Damn, who's the joker? Who pu the banana peel on the floor?
Jesus, my ankle hurts. Oh great now its swelling up.
--
apatriot #23, aa #1779, Grand Poobah, EAC Department of Oxygen
Deprivation
Responsible for brain damage everywhere!
Gary Bohn
Science rationally modifies a theory to fit evidence, creationism
emotionally modifies evidence to fit the bible.
.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"
Title: Re: Evolution Ignorance	21 Jan 2005 01:36:27 AM

In our last episode <35a2iuF4kdif8U1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lept out
of the bushes shouting:

"Elroy Willis" <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message
news:umivu0t9gu96ntie4lo84jami0ciinclg2@4ax.com...

From:
http://www.creationevidence.org/cemframes.html

"Wait a minute. That means if one thing evolved into everything we have
today, evolutionists think we're related to animals."

<blink blink>

How can anyone in the real world actually believe that human beings
aren't animals? Seriously! How???

Damn. I'm not sure what to say about that. What a bunch of morons! And
people believe this?

Oh that's *nothing. You *must go through this:
http://www.creationevidence.org/scientific_evid/model/creationmodel_01.html
That's "session one." Look for the link to the next "session" at the
bottom of each page.
Now, the very first one is very boring. But they get... much... better...
trust me...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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User: "Robibnikoff"
Title: Re: Evolution Ignorance	21 Jan 2005 01:51:50 AM

"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
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In our last episode <35a2iuF4kdif8U1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lept out
of the bushes shouting:

"Elroy Willis" <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message
news:umivu0t9gu96ntie4lo84jami0ciinclg2@4ax.com...

From:
http://www.creationevidence.org/cemframes.html

"Wait a minute. That means if one thing evolved into everything we have
today, evolutionists think we're related to animals."

<blink blink>

How can anyone in the real world actually believe that human beings
aren't animals? Seriously! How???

Damn. I'm not sure what to say about that. What a bunch of morons! And
people believe this?

Damn! That ***** puts georgann's diagram to shame! Yikes! :)
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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User: "Mark K. Bilbo"
Title: Re: Evolution Ignorance	21 Jan 2005 03:02:20 AM

In our last episode <35b5hlF4k3c8kU2@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lept out
of the bushes shouting:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:_Y2dnaMDsIf-xm3cRVn-pg@megapath.net...

In our last episode <35a2iuF4kdif8U1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lept
out of the bushes shouting:

"Elroy Willis" <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message
news:umivu0t9gu96ntie4lo84jami0ciinclg2@4ax.com...

Damn. I'm not sure what to say about that. What a bunch of morons!
And people believe this?

Damn! That ***** puts georgann's diagram to shame! Yikes! :)

Yep.
I'm still dizzy...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
.

User: "Robibnikoff"
Title: Re: Evolution Ignorance	21 Jan 2005 03:16:53 AM

"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:1u-dnTr2c78e8m3cRVn-2w@megapath.net...

In our last episode <35b5hlF4k3c8kU2@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lept out
of the bushes shouting:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:_Y2dnaMDsIf-xm3cRVn-pg@megapath.net...

In our last episode <35a2iuF4kdif8U1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lept
out of the bushes shouting:

"Elroy Willis" <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message
news:umivu0t9gu96ntie4lo84jami0ciinclg2@4ax.com...

Damn. I'm not sure what to say about that. What a bunch of morons!
And people believe this?

Damn! That ***** puts georgann's diagram to shame! Yikes! :)

Yep.

I'm still dizzy...

I'm still debating on forgiving you for showing me that URL :P
BTW, just finished another skull box. It's simply divine! :)
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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User: "Mark K. Bilbo"
Title: Re: Evolution Ignorance	21 Jan 2005 04:02:22 AM

In our last episode <35bah5F4lrg8rU2@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lumbered
into the room and mumbled:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:1u-dnTr2c78e8m3cRVn-2w@megapath.net...

In our last episode <35b5hlF4k3c8kU2@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lept
out of the bushes shouting:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:_Y2dnaMDsIf-xm3cRVn-pg@megapath.net...

In our last episode <35a2iuF4kdif8U1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lept
out of the bushes shouting:

"Elroy Willis" <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message
news:umivu0t9gu96ntie4lo84jami0ciinclg2@4ax.com...

Damn. I'm not sure what to say about that. What a bunch of morons!
And people believe this?

Damn! That ***** puts georgann's diagram to shame! Yikes! :)

Yep.

I'm still dizzy...

I'm still debating on forgiving you for showing me that URL :P

BTW, just finished another skull box. It's simply divine! :)

After reading those pages, are you sure it's *another skull box or you're
just seeing two of it?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
.

User: "Robibnikoff"
Title: Re: Evolution Ignorance	21 Jan 2005 04:11:55 AM

"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
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