Re: "Except a man be born again, he cannot see the Kingdom of God"



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User: "Twonky_hybrid through Cain & wife_"
Date: 11 Dec 2006 09:18:41 AM
Object: Re: "Except a man be born again, he cannot see the Kingdom of God"
Divine
1. Relating to or being God, or a god....
2. Supremely good.......
The psyche contains the sub conscious, soul, mind, the
knowledge of good & evil.....and is immortal.....
The knowledge of evil, the devil and Satan, in Lucifer.....
The knowledge of good, the Divine....Supremely good,
essence of the Almighty God, in the Christ.........
Who was given all power and authority within the natural
Creation.
The Supreme Being Allah. The Mighty God of Islam......
A Superlative angel deferred Supreme Being is Supremely
good, to his own borne and chosen.
And called; "the devil and Satan." By HaShem. (And firmly
entrenched in the psyche of man. From birth to death. And
beyond.)
HaShem said to the....'devil and Satan".......
Lucifer, you say in your heart; "I will exalt my throne above the
throne of Supreme Being. I will put myself beyond the stars.
And be like the Most High." (Isaias 12:14) <revised>
"And you will be thrown into the side of the pit."
(Isaias 13:14)
14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider
thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did
shake kingdoms...
"Glorify the name of your Lord, the Most High." (Allah 87.1)
(Peekaboo....we see you......!)
Allah has his own after life for his victims....ahhh.....***** kissers..
Thirty seven virgins. What one dead guy can do with 37 obviously
dead virgins, is beyond me! Must be a lot of Muslim women dying
on the Earth......
Or does Allah make them like HaShem made His virgin? To have
His son born......
I want to know; "Where the ***** do all of those billions of houris
come from!" Do you Muslim men even know? Your sphincter
does the talking. That for goddamned sure....!.
Life after death.....
I believe from the first heart beat of a new born, the energy of the
psyche starts a journey to beyond Creation, writing a 'file' to the
light 'drive', of the Almighty. He dwells beyond His Creation..
Upon death, the psyche stops, and makes the journey to its place
in the light, to closes the file. ("journey". The spiraling 'tunnel of
color'
that those who have a "near death" eXperience, describe?)
When HaShem chooses.....He will put the saved 'file' into a new
body as it was written, and then judged.....
Eternal life, or incineration of body and psyche......
Some Jews believe that if one is judged eternal life, the choices are......
1. Become an angel of HaShem.....
2. Or a planet with all ancestral relations....
If one chooses to be an angel of HaShem, then that one would be able
to visit the home planet, of ancestors.....
Even if it is on the other side of Creation. The ability to bend space
distance is great. Gets one there in a second, no matter what distance
one travels.....
But must return to the Kingdom, at HaShem's behest.......
A hierarchy and reality beyond the understanding of the deceived
in evolution........
~>
Twonky.....
The military should use pigs & their flesh and blood, in Iraq.....
Use pigs on patrol. Tell the enemy the ammunition will be dipped
into pig blood. Have mortar rounds eXplode, finally ground pork....
Bomb them where they live, using tankers loaded with a total of
millions of tons, of the flesh and blood, of pigs, and pig parts...
Heads, feet, and tails......dropping on them.....
Raw pork....recently slaughtered.....
Keep up the bombing day and night.......
Think what that would do for farmers who raise pigs.....
...
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http://www.divinelove.org/revnt/Rev-10.htm

REVELATION 10

Jesus' Meeting with Nicodemus

I am here, Jesus:

I have already spoken to you about my meeting with Nicodemus, son of
Gurion, the Pharisee, when I was teaching in Palestine. Nicodemus was the
son of a rabbi who held religious discussions with groups, as was the
custom of those days and before. He was not a priest and held no services
in the Temple. As a matter of fact, the Pharisees were the ones who were
most interested in the law, not only the written laws of the Scriptures,
but the interpretations which the centuries and circumstances made
necessary in those laws, and these interpretations were known as the Oral
Law. They were discussed mainly by the Pharisees, the common people of
Jerusalem, because they were the ones most interested in the religion of
the Hebrews; they were poor; they were the artisans and tradesman,
downtrodden by the rich and the aristocratic priests who cared nothing for
the scriptures except as their own interests were therein protected. These
Pharisees were deeply concerned with immortality of the soul, inasmuch as
their own plight on earth made them seek for justice in an ideal world
beyond the grave and they felt that God's righteousness had to, of
necessity, embrace that Kingdom where justice and righteousness would be
the established order. That is why the Pharisees were willing to listen to
me and my mission -- the availability of immortality of the soul through
prayer to the Father for His Love.

While they were intrigued, then, by my affirmation that the Kingdom of God
had come with my appearance -- that is, that soul immortality was a fact
and could be achieved, yet they were not capable of understanding the
principle of the Divine Love and Salvation through the Divine Love. For
some centuries they had battled stubbornly against the Saducees' denial of
immortality, and had clung to the faith of man's entry into Paradise
through keeping of the Ten Commandments and the Torah (the 5 Books of
Moses) and the decrees, precepts and interpretations which stemmed from
these Holy works, so that Divine Love and Salvation from it were alien to
their thoughts and fundamental concepts of religion. This then, very
briefly, is the background of their initial sympathy with me and later
disagreements.

Nicodemus, however, had an intuitive feeling that I was right and since he
was not able to fully understand my meaning, he came secretly one night to
hear from me in private what he had only been able to glimpse in my public
sermons in the market place. He felt, also, that my miracles of healing
among the people must be due to great piety and that, therefore, I must be
a man of God. He wanted to know about the Kingdom of God, and how to enter
therein. Since he could not, as I saw, understand Divine Love, nor
transformation of the soul from the human into the divine through the
Father's Love, I had recourse to a parable, as I usually had in speaking
to the people, "EXCEPT A MAN BE BORN AGAIN, HE CANNOT SEE THE KINGDOM OF
GOD."

Nicodemus could understand a spiritual rebirth only through obedience to
the laws of God, the doing of good, the practicing of mercy and charity,
righteousness in conduct and piety for the widow and the orphan; in short,
he understood repentence from evil and a return to God in the prophetic
sense of the term, and thought this gave immortality of the soul. I had to
show him that his practicing of the virtues purified the soul, and made it
a perfect human soul in the eyes of God, but that to enter the Kingdom of
God, the soul had to be transformed into a divine soul, through God's
Nature, Love.

To his query, I showed that being born of the flesh was the work of the
womb, and that here there was no possibility of rebirth, but that
spiritually, the soul could be reborn; it was born as the human soul, but
could be born again into a divine soul, the transformation -- or
rebirth -- taking place as the individual sought the Father's Love
through prayer and obtained that Love, which permeated the human soul and
made it divine. It was this divinity of soul that rendered it immortal,
and enabled one to see the Kingdom of God, and not the perfection of the
human soul resulting from the doing of good works and practicing charity
and righteousness.

If Peter and John, my most advanced disciples, could not readily
understand the significance of Divine Love, then neither could Nicodemus
ben Gurion in the talk I had with him, for I saw the conflict which Divine
Love raised in his mind with his deep seated doctrines of the law and the
precepts of the Torah, and his inability to accept my glad tidings
immediately.

He asked, "HOW COULD THESE THINGS BE?" and so I told him that, inasmuch as
there were many earthly things he could not understand, like the wind, and
its movements, it was not strange that he should not understand these
things of the spirit: "THE WIND BLOWS WHERE IT LISTS, AND THOU HEAREST THE
SOUND THEREOF, BUT CANST NOT TELL WHENCE IT COMES, AND WHITHER IT GOES; SO
IT IS WITH THE SPIRITUAL REBIRTH." (St. John, Chapter 3, verse 8).

Since he could not understand the workings of the wind, a material
phenomenon, neither could he understand an operation of a spiritual thing,
the rebirth. And since Rauch (wind), also means spirit in Hebrew, I used
this play on words and tried to show him that as both were of the Father,
the Rebirth as well as the existence of the wind could be believed in and
accepted.

I did not say, or mean, that Nicodemus had to be born of the spirit in the
sense that Christians usually interpret the words attributed to John, that
is, the Holy Spirit, for the soul is not reborn of the Holy Spirit, but of
God's Love, which comes into the soul conveyed by the Holy Spirit, that
manifestation of God which has as its function this great mission. Neither
did I say that he had to be born of water, for this is simply a much later
interpolation referring to baptism. This is all wrong, for baptism has no
efficacy in the soul's obtention of the Divine Love. Certainly, Nicodemus
would have understood these Christian interpretations much less than he
did the Divine Love, which I insisted was now available to mankind because
it was present in me.

Nicodemus left with an inkling of the Father's Love and heard me explain
several times that the Kingdom of God had come; he was confused, because
of the new concept of soul transformation and his ideas of a Messiah
ushering in a new ideal Kingdom on earth, but he understood later at
Pentecost, when mental concept was replaced by emotion, for Nicodemus
greatly respected me, and his reverence was turned into love and sorrow,
and brought into his soul the Divine Love. Nicodemus finally understood
with his soul, and he now stands by me in the Celestial Heavens, eager
with his love and influence to bring mankind into At-onement with the
Father.

Jesus of the Bible
and
Master of the Celestial Heavens

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