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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Penndragon penndragonATtpg.com.au"
Date: 02 Apr 2004 07:55:14 PM
Object: Re: EXODUS FICTION
MM William
THere's yet another way of looking at this. There are levels of observation
based upon where one stands. What do I mean by this. Lets take something as
simple as 1+1=1. Is it true or false? And then again, 1+1=10. Is this true
or false. In one sense only one of these can be true. In another they both
are. In yet another they can be both false. Now the first you'd recognise as
decimal (denary or base 10) and will be true for most. The second is binary
(base 2) in which only the digits 0 and one exist and so numbers recycle
much quicker. Here when ya add 1 to 1 you cannot get 2 in much the same way
there is no digit for 10 in the decimal system. So you recycle the digits.
It's much the same sort of thing with the symbolism of lets say the bible,
harry potter, etc. What is seen will depend upon where you stand. Do you
look at in in denary or binary so to speak?
MP
Penn
"William" <telige@mail.clara.fl.com> wrote in message
news:4069faad.30000602@news-text.blueyonder.co.uk...

On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 10:51:17 -0800, penitent leper
<bastaschs@peak.org> wrote:

On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 09:16:46 -0800, "Biff" <nospam@aol.com> wrote:

Ok, we already know by archeological evidence that at the time of the
supposed Exodus Egypt was peaceful, not anything like the Bible claims

but

if it *were* true then I have a few questions for Christians:


You're making the fundamentalist mistake of identifying factualness
with truthfulness. The Exodus and other biblical stories do not need
to be historically and factually accurate in order for them to be
powerfully true.


You mean the way that Harry Potter is powerfully true?

Your "questions for Christians" are only applicable to that noisy
minority of Christians who are biblical literalists. Educated
Christians take these narratives seriously, but not literally, viewing
them as teaching devices, parables, metaphors, and allegories.


If they are not literally true then they can be mean whatever you
like. That's the beauty of fiction - it doesn't have to relate to
reality.

Unfortunately you seem to have bought into fundamentalism's claim that
the stories need to be literally historical and factual in order to be
true.


Is there any bit of the bible which has to be taken as literally true?
If there is, then why should that be taken as literally true and not
another bit?

William

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User: "William"

Title: Re: EXODUS FICTION 03 Apr 2004 07:43:58 AM
On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 11:55:14 +1000, "Penndragon"
<penndragonATtpg.com.au> wrote:

MM William

THere's yet another way of looking at this. There are levels of observation
based upon where one stands. What do I mean by this. Lets take something as
simple as 1+1=1. Is it true or false? And then again, 1+1=10. Is this true
or false. In one sense only one of these can be true. In another they both
are. In yet another they can be both false. Now the first you'd recognise as
decimal (denary or base 10) and will be true for most. The second is binary
(base 2) in which only the digits 0 and one exist and so numbers recycle
much quicker. Here when ya add 1 to 1 you cannot get 2 in much the same way
there is no digit for 10 in the decimal system. So you recycle the digits.

That sounds a bit like a pedant's charter. If someone states that 1 +
1 = 1 then it is a false statement if they are using normal decimal
notation. If it is likely to be a misunderstanding then the notation
must be specified but if there is not then it is a rather unnecessary
tedium to raise the question.
It seems that there is a tendency now, with biblical passages that
cause Christians problems, for them to try and find any possible way
of reading it so that it doesn't mean what it says. It gets to
ridiculous lengths where events in the OT - the historical validity of
which underpin key teachings in the NT - have to be relegated to
fiction in order to avoid irrationality.

It's much the same sort of thing with the symbolism of lets say the bible,
harry potter, etc. What is seen will depend upon where you stand. Do you
look at in in denary or binary so to speak?

If someone writes "The people of Israel walked on dry ground through
the sea, the waters being a wall to them on their right hand and on
their left" there isn't much room for interpretation there. If the
account itself is to be interpreted as symbolic and the writer was not
describing an event that actually happened then that is a different
(and an even more problematic) matter altogether.
William
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