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Religions > Atheism |
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"Wen-King Su" |
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08 Aug 2003 07:08:01 PM |
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Re: Fact : there are no gods in evidence |
In a previous article writes:
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;In talk.atheism Wen-King Su <wen-king@myri.com> wrote:
:> In a previous article soCode <news@socode.com> writes:
;> :
:> ;Wen-King Su wrote:
;> :
:> ;> Why would a person who has no belief or knowledge of what a god is
;> :> presume gods to have supernatural power?
:> ;
;> :We have many cultural concepts of what "a god" is, and we have a
:> ;specific word. These concepts all assume that the supernatural
;> :exists, and without that the need for the concept, and the word, evaporates.
:
;> Such a word and its associated concept merely describe what many people
:> believe. A person with no belief sees no reason to associate that with
;> what may actually be a god. If he meet somebody who has a different
:> concenpt of what a god is, the most he can say is "wait a minute, that
;> doesn't agree with what those other people call god". He can't say
:> that is not god.
;
:> :> We can only quibble with a
;> ;> believer on that when the believer says god is a being with
:> :> supernatural power.
;> ; > If the believer says god is everything that a dog is
:> : > an no more, then there is nothing to quibble with.
;> ;
:> :We have a perfectly good word for "dog", namely "dog".
;> ;
:> :Substituting that word, by way of example, with a replacement
;> ;from your own private language will not change the dog.
:
;> But you can't say it is not a god to a person that says a god is
:> everything a dog is and no more. Not unless you have a pre-conceived
;> notion of what gods are. Unless you really meant to say it doesn't
:> agree with what other people say god is.
;
:And nothing about "I don't believe a god to exist" says I can't have a
;definition of what a god is.
But there is nothing about "I don't believe a god to exist" says you
have no belief about that which some call god. That makes you an
atheist, but not one without belief. You can't say "but that is wrong"
unless you have knowledge or belief on what should be right. One
without belief does not have such a pre-conceived notion.
;I also don't believe in unicorns but I also
:know that a unicorn is supposedly a horned-horse.
That is too because you have a pre-conceived notion about what a
unicorn should be.
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;Mike atheism: a non-prophet organization...
:Creation Science: an oxymoron actually created by morons...
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:Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you
;do criticize them, you're a mile away, and you have their shoes.
:-------------------------------
;The multi-named one posting under rooster/bob white/sceptic and various other
:names (identifiable by the header line reading "NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.231.81.82")
;might as well ignore this post. He is a lying, illogical troll who has been
:kill-file'd and any posts of his will not be seen or replied to.
;
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| Title: Re: Fact : there are no gods in evidence |
08 Aug 2003 08:30:49 PM |
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In talk.atheism Wen-King Su <wen-king@myri.com> wrote:
In a previous article writes:
:
;In talk.atheism Wen-King Su <wen-king@myri.com> wrote:
:> In a previous article soCode <news@socode.com> writes:
;> :
:> ;Wen-King Su wrote:
;> :
:> ;> Why would a person who has no belief or knowledge of what a god is
;> :> presume gods to have supernatural power?
:> ;
;> :We have many cultural concepts of what "a god" is, and we have a
:> ;specific word. These concepts all assume that the supernatural
;> :exists, and without that the need for the concept, and the word, evaporates.
:
;> Such a word and its associated concept merely describe what many people
:> believe. A person with no belief sees no reason to associate that with
;> what may actually be a god. If he meet somebody who has a different
:> concenpt of what a god is, the most he can say is "wait a minute, that
;> doesn't agree with what those other people call god". He can't say
:> that is not god.
;
:> :> We can only quibble with a
;> ;> believer on that when the believer says god is a being with
:> :> supernatural power.
;> ; > If the believer says god is everything that a dog is
:> : > an no more, then there is nothing to quibble with.
;> ;
:> :We have a perfectly good word for "dog", namely "dog".
;> ;
:> :Substituting that word, by way of example, with a replacement
;> ;from your own private language will not change the dog.
:
;> But you can't say it is not a god to a person that says a god is
:> everything a dog is and no more. Not unless you have a pre-conceived
;> notion of what gods are. Unless you really meant to say it doesn't
:> agree with what other people say god is.
;
:And nothing about "I don't believe a god to exist" says I can't have a
;definition of what a god is.
But there is nothing about "I don't believe a god to exist" says you
have no belief about that which some call god. That makes you an
atheist, but not one without belief. You can't say "but that is wrong"
unless you have knowledge or belief on what should be right. One
without belief does not have such a pre-conceived notion.
And who said atheists were without any beliefs at all in regards to gods? We
just don't believe any gods exist. There's a difference. So if you're going
to come into a conversation about atheists and talking about "the
nonbeliever" and mean something other than "a person without a belief that
god exists" and not qualify that you mean otherwise, then you're being
misleading.
;I also don't believe in unicorns but I also
:know that a unicorn is supposedly a horned-horse.
That is too because you have a pre-conceived notion about what a
unicorn should be.
--
Mike atheism: a non-prophet organization...
Creation Science: an oxymoron actually created by morons...
-------------------------------
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you
do criticize them, you're a mile away, and you have their shoes.
-------------------------------
The multi-named one posting under rooster/bob white/sceptic and various other
names (identifiable by the header line reading "NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.231.81.82")
might as well ignore this post. He is a lying, illogical troll who has been
kill-file'd and any posts of his will not be seen or replied to.
.
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