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Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"soCode" |
| Date: |
10 Aug 2003 11:31:00 AM |
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Re: Fact : there are no gods in evidence |
Wen-King Su wrote:
In a previous article soCode <news@socode.com> writes:
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;Wen-King Su wrote:
:> In a previous article soCode <news@socode.com> writes:
;> :
:> ;Wen-King Su wrote:
;> :
:> ;> Why would a person who has no belief or knowledge of what a god is
;> :> presume gods to have supernatural power?
:> ;
;> :We have many cultural concepts of what "a god" is, and we have a
:> ;specific word. These concepts all assume that the supernatural
;> :exists, and without that the need for the concept, and the word, evaporates.
:>
;> Such a word and its associated concept merely describe what many people
:> believe. A person with no belief sees no reason to associate that with
;> what may actually be a god.
:
;Except that that is what the word means. Without the ability to
:associate a lexicon with semantics, there is no language.
The word god has no meaning in the vocaburary of a non-believer.
Absolute bollocks. Do you know what "Zeus" means? Yes or no.
:> If he meet somebody who has a different concenpt of what a god is,
;> the most he can say is "wait a minute, that
:> doesn't agree with what those other people call god". He can't say
;> that is not god.
:
;If I meet somebody with a concept of a god that does not include
:supernatural powers, I can and will say that is not a god, by the
;generally accepted definition of the word. Hence, you are wrong.
That wouldn't be precise if the word god has no meaning to you.
That would be an argument, if the word god had no meaning to someone
who doesn't believe in one, which is of course, nonsense of the highest
order.
I have met many who do know the difference between a toaster
and a television. Some claimed not to own the latter, which seemed
to have no impact on whether or not they knew the word.
soCode
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| User: "Wen-King Su" |
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| Title: Re: Fact : there are no gods in evidence |
11 Aug 2003 02:41:34 PM |
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In a previous article soCode <news@socode.com> writes:
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;Wen-King Su wrote:
:> In a previous article soCode <news@socode.com> writes:
;> :
:> ;Wen-King Su wrote:
;> :> In a previous article soCode <news@socode.com> writes:
:> ;> :
;> :> ;Wen-King Su wrote:
:> ;> :
;> :> ;> Why would a person who has no belief or knowledge of what a god is
:> ;> :> presume gods to have supernatural power?
;> :> ;
:> ;> :We have many cultural concepts of what "a god" is, and we have a
;> :> ;specific word. These concepts all assume that the supernatural
:> ;> :exists, and without that the need for the concept, and the word, evaporates.
;> :>
:> ;> Such a word and its associated concept merely describe what many people
;> :> believe. A person with no belief sees no reason to associate that with
:> ;> what may actually be a god.
;> :
:> ;Except that that is what the word means. Without the ability to
;> :associate a lexicon with semantics, there is no language.
:>
;> The word god has no meaning in the vocaburary of a non-believer.
:
;Absolute bollocks. Do you know what "Zeus" means? Yes or no.
It is a character in Greek or Roman mythology.
;> :> If he meet somebody who has a different concenpt of what a god is,
:> ;> the most he can say is "wait a minute, that
;> :> doesn't agree with what those other people call god". He can't say
:> ;> that is not god.
;> :
:> ;If I meet somebody with a concept of a god that does not include
;> :supernatural powers, I can and will say that is not a god, by the
:> ;generally accepted definition of the word. Hence, you are wrong.
;>
:> That wouldn't be precise if the word god has no meaning to you.
;
:That would be an argument, if the word god had no meaning to someone
;who doesn't believe in one, which is of course, nonsense of the highest
:order.
I didn't say the word god has no meaning to all who doesn't believe in
one. I said it has no meaning to a non-believer -- one who has no
belief. Such people are, perhaps, but a fraction of those who doesn't
believe in one. The rest believes in what it should be should one
have existed. They just don't believe in its existence.
:I have met many who do know the difference between a toaster
;and a television. Some claimed not to own the latter, which seemed
:to have no impact on whether or not they knew the word.
They are not "non-believers" when it comes to those appliances.
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