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"John Wilkins" |
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01 Aug 2004 01:12:36 PM |
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Re: FIRST CAUSE: WHY RELIGIONS ARE FALSE. |
Frisbee <leighton70@cox.net> wrote:
A beautiful and orderly watch lying in the sand implies manufacturing,
and not creation.
If it always took a consciousness to form a consciusness, then that
1st consciousness could never exist.
The explantation for matter and life is universal mass gravity
(Newton)and natural selection (Darwin).
Stimulating environments are older than the organisms which sense
them: the ocean is older than fish ect. If stimulating environments
of evolution must be formed by a god, then that 1st environment could
never exist because creation would require knowlege, and knowlege
comes from experiencing stimulating environments.
If they say "god evolved then he created us", it just proves no
creators are necesary to form life.
A conscious 1st cause is called theism. An unconscious first cause
is called atheism.
God is not the first cause because a god is already orderly and
beautiful, which would be a much later effect of evolution, and not a
first cause. Therefore, the first cause is an unconscious cause
(atheism).
Before there is something, there is nothing. The void, therefore,
is before all things. The void is the natural source of all atoms.
Thus, the void is the 1st cause of all matter and life. The void is
the first cause.
1. In traditional theology, God is simple.
2. It doesn't follow.
3. It's off-topic in talk.origins - take it back to alt-atheism
--
John Wilkins
john_SPAM@wilkins.id.au http://wilkins.id.au
"Men mark it when they hit, but do not mark it when they miss"
- Francis Bacon
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| User: "MurphyInOhio" |
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| Title: Re: FIRST CAUSE: WHY RELIGIONS ARE FALSE. |
02 Aug 2004 02:36:35 AM |
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It's off-topic in talk.origins - take it back to alt-atheism
johnspam
Whom do the evolutionist true believers think they are kidding, in denying that
evolutionism is merely a tissue-paper-thin concealment for atheism. The only
honesty in evolutionists is in them who boldly assert their atheism.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: FIRST CAUSE: WHY RELIGIONS ARE FALSE. |
02 Aug 2004 02:59:55 AM |
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On 02 Aug 2004 07:36:35 GMT, (MurphyInOhio)
wrote:
It's off-topic in talk.origins - take it back to alt-atheism
johnspam
Whom do the evolutionist true believers think they are kidding, in denying that
evolutionism is merely a tissue-paper-thin concealment for atheism. The only
honesty in evolutionists is in them who boldly assert their atheism.
Don't be so fucking stupid.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: FIRST CAUSE: WHY RELIGIONS ARE FALSE. |
02 Aug 2004 12:56:26 PM |
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On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 07:59:55 +0000, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On 02 Aug 2004 07:36:35 GMT, (MurphyInOhio)
wrote:
It's off-topic in talk.origins - take it back to alt-atheism
johnspam
Whom do the evolutionist true believers think they are kidding, in denying that
evolutionism is merely a tissue-paper-thin concealment for atheism. The only
honesty in evolutionists is in them who boldly assert their atheism.
Don't be so fucking stupid.
It can't. Stupidity is its religion.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: FIRST CAUSE: WHY RELIGIONS ARE FALSE. |
02 Aug 2004 06:56:23 AM |
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On 02 Aug 2004 07:36:35 GMT, (MurphyInOhio)
wrote:
It's off-topic in talk.origins - take it back to alt-atheism
johnspam
Whom do the evolutionist true believers think they are kidding, in denying that
evolutionism is merely a tissue-paper-thin concealment for atheism. The only
honesty in evolutionists is in them who boldly assert their atheism.
That's not even a good troll.
0/10. Must try harder.
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| User: "Apostate" |
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| Title: Re: FIRST CAUSE: WHY RELIGIONS ARE FALSE. |
02 Aug 2004 11:28:31 AM |
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On 02 Aug 2004 07:36:35 GMT, (MurphyInOhio) wrote in alt.atheism:
It's off-topic in talk.origins - take it back to alt-atheism
johnspam
Whom do the evolutionist true believers think they are kidding, in denying that
evolutionism is merely a tissue-paper-thin concealment for atheism. The only
honesty in evolutionists is in them who boldly assert their atheism.
Why yes, that's obviously true.
Which is why the majority of xians working as biologists take evolution to
be what it is: the matrix that makes all of biology coherent and sensible.
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/Apostate
atheist #(e^7.5657933) I've found it!
BAAWA Knife AND SMASHer
EAC Supernumerary Deputy Director, Department of Redundancy Department
plonked by Lani_girl, first post; billions served!
I doubt, therefore I might be.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: FIRST CAUSE: WHY RELIGIONS ARE FALSE. |
02 Aug 2004 09:42:01 AM |
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On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 07:36:35 +0000 in episode
<20040802033635.25600.00003152@mb-m29.wmconnect.com> we saw our hero
murphyinohio@wmconnect.com (MurphyInOhio):
It's off-topic in talk.origins - take it back to alt-atheism
johnspam
Whom do the evolutionist true believers think they are kidding, in denying
that evolutionism is merely a tissue-paper-thin concealment for atheism.
The only honesty in evolutionists is in them who boldly assert their
atheism.
Except you don't know what you're talking about.
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: FIRST CAUSE: WHY RELIGIONS ARE FALSE. |
02 Aug 2004 12:55:38 PM |
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On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 07:36:35 +0000, MurphyInOhio wrote:
It's off-topic in talk.origins - take it back to alt-atheism
johnspam
Whom do the evolutionist true believers think they are kidding, in denying that
evolutionism is merely a tissue-paper-thin concealment for atheism. The only
honesty in evolutionists is in them who boldly assert their atheism.
Son, First Grade will start in a few weeks. I highly recommend you pay
attention this time.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: FIRST CAUSE: WHY RELIGIONS ARE FALSE. |
01 Aug 2004 02:27:26 PM |
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On Sun, 1 Aug 2004 18:12:36 +0000 (UTC), (John
Wilkins) wrote:
Frisbee <leighton70@cox.net> wrote:
A beautiful and orderly watch lying in the sand implies manufacturing,
and not creation.
If it always took a consciousness to form a consciusness, then that
1st consciousness could never exist.
The explantation for matter and life is universal mass gravity
(Newton)and natural selection (Darwin).
Stimulating environments are older than the organisms which sense
them: the ocean is older than fish ect. If stimulating environments
of evolution must be formed by a god, then that 1st environment could
never exist because creation would require knowlege, and knowlege
comes from experiencing stimulating environments.
If they say "god evolved then he created us", it just proves no
creators are necesary to form life.
A conscious 1st cause is called theism. An unconscious first cause
is called atheism.
God is not the first cause because a god is already orderly and
beautiful, which would be a much later effect of evolution, and not a
first cause. Therefore, the first cause is an unconscious cause
(atheism).
Before there is something, there is nothing. The void, therefore,
is before all things. The void is the natural source of all atoms.
Thus, the void is the 1st cause of all matter and life. The void is
the first cause.
1. In traditional theology, God is simple.
2. It doesn't follow.
3. It's off-topic in talk.origins - take it back to alt-atheism
It's also off-topic in alt.atheism because this isn't an atheist
issue.
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| User: "John Wilkins" |
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| Title: Re: FIRST CAUSE: WHY RELIGIONS ARE FALSE. |
01 Aug 2004 04:05:17 PM |
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Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Sun, 1 Aug 2004 18:12:36 +0000 (UTC), (John
Wilkins) wrote:
Frisbee <leighton70@cox.net> wrote:
A beautiful and orderly watch lying in the sand implies manufacturing,
and not creation.
If it always took a consciousness to form a consciusness, then that
1st consciousness could never exist.
The explantation for matter and life is universal mass gravity
(Newton)and natural selection (Darwin).
Stimulating environments are older than the organisms which sense
them: the ocean is older than fish ect. If stimulating environments
of evolution must be formed by a god, then that 1st environment could
never exist because creation would require knowlege, and knowlege
comes from experiencing stimulating environments.
If they say "god evolved then he created us", it just proves no
creators are necesary to form life.
A conscious 1st cause is called theism. An unconscious first cause
is called atheism.
God is not the first cause because a god is already orderly and
beautiful, which would be a much later effect of evolution, and not a
first cause. Therefore, the first cause is an unconscious cause
(atheism).
Before there is something, there is nothing. The void, therefore,
is before all things. The void is the natural source of all atoms.
Thus, the void is the 1st cause of all matter and life. The void is
the first cause.
1. In traditional theology, God is simple.
2. It doesn't follow.
3. It's off-topic in talk.origins - take it back to alt-atheism
It's also off-topic in alt.atheism because this isn't an atheist
issue.
True. My apologies.
--
John Wilkins
http://wilkins.id.au
"Men mark it when they hit, but do not mark it when they miss"
- Francis Bacon
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| User: "T Pagano" |
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| Title: Re: Arguments concerning the origin of consciousness are intimately applicable to talk.origins |
01 Aug 2004 06:17:04 PM |
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On Sun, 1 Aug 2004 18:12:36 +0000 (UTC), (John
Wilkins) wrote:
Frisbee <leighton70@cox.net> wrote:
A beautiful and orderly watch lying in the sand implies manufacturing,
and not creation.
If it always took a consciousness to form a consciusness, then that
1st consciousness could never exist.
The explantation for matter and life is universal mass gravity
(Newton)and natural selection (Darwin).
Stimulating environments are older than the organisms which sense
them: the ocean is older than fish ect. If stimulating environments
of evolution must be formed by a god, then that 1st environment could
never exist because creation would require knowlege, and knowlege
comes from experiencing stimulating environments.
If they say "god evolved then he created us", it just proves no
creators are necesary to form life.
A conscious 1st cause is called theism. An unconscious first cause
is called atheism.
God is not the first cause because a god is already orderly and
beautiful, which would be a much later effect of evolution, and not a
first cause. Therefore, the first cause is an unconscious cause
(atheism).
Before there is something, there is nothing. The void, therefore,
is before all things. The void is the natural source of all atoms.
Thus, the void is the 1st cause of all matter and life. The void is
the first cause.
1. In traditional theology, God is simple.
Pagano replies:
Perhaps the "traditional theology" Wilkins has in mind is the straw
theology that his brother atheists have propped up. In any event
Christian theology is anything but simple.
2. It doesn't follow.
3. It's off-topic in talk.origins - take it back to alt-atheism
Pagano replies:
It is grossly off topic for alt.atheism. An argument concerning the
origin of consciousness is undeniably applicable in talk.origins.
Too much bubbly on the deck of the sinking ship ediacara must be
getting to Wilkins.
Regards,
T Pagano
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