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06 Aug 2003 07:54:38 PM |
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Re: ...follow the white rabbit |
"David" <David_member@newsguy.com> wrote in
I was paying attention to some of the posts here and you were taking about Fate
Vs. Free Will. That's a deep topic for me , that I am always wondering about it.
It seems like up till now , my life is an experiment in Fate Vs. Free Will. Most
people on this forum are mostly astrologers so this topic probably comes up most
of the time in our lives. Like for instance what do you do if your going through
a particularly bad transit? Supposing Mars + Saturn = Pluto. Pluto hits your
Death Axis? What do you do ,buy life insurance? What if in your chart you see
that your progressed chart makes for a particularly hard life? Do you just
concede life?
Can you defy the planets? Are we defying destiny itself?
Like I said I don't understand much about this topic, I tried and have read Liz
Greene's Books on "The Astrology of Fate", but Liz Greene is a difficult read
for me, and " The astrology of fate" is an advance topic in Astrology, and I
didn't understand it much, but I come to discover that I am doing my own
experiments concerning Fate Vs Free Will, and the interelatedness of things in
the form of numbers.
I had it in my mind that I need lots of money, so I'd like to win the State
Lottery, I'm supposed to be a lucky guy, (Jupiter on the Midheaven) and Uranus
is approaching my natal Jupiter so I'm hoping for something really lucky (
though this might not be the case). So I try to play the lottery more... even
better, I'm devising a sort of matrix of Numbers. I got this idea in my mind
that nothing is truly random in the universe.
Why do I think that? One time I delved lightly in basic computer programming ,
and I was on the subject of creating a "random number generator" for computer
programs, like dice for a computer game.... and The idea I got was that you
couldn't create a "truly random " number generator , because it just wasn't
possible. I'm not sure if this is true today, but I've also been playing some
computer games that are supposed to "shuffle cards" in order to create a random
card, but it doesn't do this very well when the number of cards exceeds a
certain amount.
So I set out to developing a list or matrix of numbers from the State lottery
containing the winning numbers. It's easy to obtain a list of these numbers, and
with a little luck and a spreadsheet program I was able to format that
information in a way I can use. I wanted to see if I could rationally determine
the winning numbers of the State Lottery...DOH!
So okay I have a list of winning numbers for a state lottery, what I did was
organize to numbers to determine what numbers came up most often, then I'd bet
on that number. My theory being that nothing in the universe happens at random,
and that most things are predetermined, even in a lottery. The lottery is
designed to be "numbers chosen at random",and unless the lottery is "fixed", I'm
assuming that there are always outside forces acting on the generation of those
numbers, things like, pressure, temperature, friction...gravity. Since this
forces are constant on the lottery draw, perhaps then the numbers aren't random,
and perhaps there is a pattern that I could detect. Such things make up the art
of Astrology!
So ...On my first try using this, matrix, I nailed the MEGA number. The Mega
number is a number supposed to be generated at random between 1 and 28. But you
have to get the Mega number to qualify for the BIG prize, if you don't get the
Mega Number you don't win the big bucks. Well I nailed this on the first try,
but the other numbers, five series of them , are numbers between 1 and 46. Much
harder to predict. Over a bit of time , I had a series of hits and lots of
misses, but eventually gave up wondering if the State lottery wasn't indeed
"Fixed".
Recently , I made another list., partly because of astrological considerations,
an Uranus transit to natal Jupiter which might be considered lucky (or at least
a change in fortune), I thought I ought to give the lottery it a try again,
after all , I might not survive another Uranus transit to my natal Jupiter!
Maybe this is a good time to look for another job.
On my second attempt with this lottery idea. I nailed the Mega number again, but
I missed on the other numbers , so I didn't win anything. But on the second
attempt on playing the lottery, I missed the Mega number but hit three of five
numbers..WOW first time that happened!
Unfortunately, since I didn't get the Mega number, it would be difficult to win
big, but I won 10.00 for each series. I played those number 4X's so I won
$40.00. Big deal right? If I got the Mega number I would have won $200.00.
With part of the money I won , I placed ten tickets ($10.00), interesting to
see what will happen. But my conclusion about Fate vs. Free Will... is that in
nature it is neither one or the other. My conclusion is that we are all free
agents in life,at least when we arrive, but that there are always outside forces
acting on us that kind of determine where we can go and where we cant go. That's
fate and free will, doh!
They DO coexist and contradict, I have a large document on exactly that topic
here, although using the immortality of Adam until he reaches Eve as the prototype
of the discussions.
**************************************************** FREE WILL
FIRST MENSA POST ON NUMEROLOGY
an atheist believes in something without proof
i propose that a prodogy male exists (alive today) and he is reflective of
the number 7, his goddess is of number 10, or maybe 6 in base 7
every random event falls in such a way to push this couple
closer together
even a scientific disciplined person cannot discount such a theory
considering the current proposals of reversed time and
mutual entanglement in quantum theory
i wont elaborate until some responses please
the prodogy (prodigy?) 's name starts with G (7)
and goddess with J (10)
consonants? and vowels in their names add up to 7 etc
birthdays with 7s
rolling dice, scrabble, street names etc......
but you could have figured that out
peoples names determine what scientific discovery or art
they will uncover
all media, movies, peoples utterances all have second meanings
directed at the prodogy (if observed by him)
anyway, i shouldnt have even posted this as public information
about them reduces their life expectancy somewhat
and he is the first automatic lover
ie just lies back and subconsciously operates
ie controlled by his body
like simple harmonic motion
and he has deciphered most of natural language derivation
just by making up acronyms , mnemonics, reversing them etc.
the physical universe is a reflection of his mind
whatever he thinks is reinforced or iterated in his observation
he can think - turn around - and the stranger will comply
(unless she gives a secondary message)
books open up at exactly the right page, tapes at the exact start of songs
coordination makes michael jordon seem futile
cant give much more detail without giving out names
he avoids looking a clocks because of the numeric message triggering
interpretation in his head, eg. often glimpses at 3:14
or exactly 7 to 10 (that is as the second hand rolls past the 12 exactly
at the moment he looks)
and has uncanny prediction, eg waiting 20 minutes for a train,
moves forward to see it coming with no stimulus
but usually trains etc arrive just as he does
depending on his mood lights are green, red if an important
noticeboard is present, soon as its deciphered - green
he can run red lights as he cannot die - yet
but may kill others if reckless, and still has to make
judgements to reach destiny.
he just deciphers knowledge of most things
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[SomeBlokeCalledRapunzelSyndrome] wrote
[clik] wrote
the prodogy (prodigy?) 's name starts with G (7)
and goddess with J (10)
consonants? and vowels in their names add up to 7 etc
birthdays with 7s
rolling dice, scrabble, street names etc......
but you could have figured that out
peoples names determine what scientific discovery or art
they will uncover
I think you may find that not very many people agree with you on this
point!
all media, movies, peoples utterances all have second meanings
directed at the prodogy (if observed by him)
anyway, i shouldnt have even posted this as public information
about them reduces their life expectancy somewhat
Hey, as long as it's not _your_ life expectancy!
--
My car's in the menders - thieves couldn't beat the deadlocks
but bent the passenger door halfway off in the attempt.
Courtesy car: Peugeot 106. Discourtesy more like. Quite the
nastiest car I've driven. Don't buy one, even for an enemy.
thanks for the response, if you give the name of
a contributor / scientific / art maybe i can clarify
the derivation of the name as an example
eg. britney spears - cupid
britney - hit me baby
britney hitme
more prodigy features
he documented 10 pages over 3 days
on many coincidental events, some
of these come from that but he doesnt
like people reading it
since i mentioned the automatic pelvic
thrusting i can add this, but if it
filtered back to Jay she would feel like
an object which would be wrong.
just want to set a bench mark so i can
raise the level on this topic
his rather pointed tongue just
vibrated when he poked it out a couple
months back, but only once,
so we dont think this function will
reactivate for a few years, or work as long
as the samples of automatic body motion so far,
sorry ladies, ill have to keep you posted
on this one.
he can -interpret double meanings of lyrics
(each word) as they are sung
-visualize 1000 movie scene images in one minute
-recall movie audio that had a visual depiction
eg 'turn around' in predator
-halve his heart rate consciously
-say the name of a song before resting, wake
the next morning, turn on MTV and it starts
(as part of the countdown, not requested)
-get mist and wind in his face when his head
is hot, also on weather, the charts arrows tend
to point towards Jay as do most things
-birds form ticks in the sky after he sees her
usually 7 birds
-he gave up on his 720 degree model of the world.
japanese shi - reverse J
-he spoke in French for an hour about not
being able to speak to Jay, went out and the
first word said next to him from a stranger
was rendezvous.
Peugeot 106 not any good huh, i dont even know what they
look like, i like ferrari boxer but no ones heard of them
anymore
_____________________
MICHELLE
hello
sorry if this spins you out
our friendship never kindled
but sadness only confuses bipolar people
like ourselves
you were born that way but I underwent
the holistic experience of the brain
reconfiguring itself, but I do enjoy
ambidexterity - I assume you are also
double jointed.
I wanted to tell you I also have
another half - I met her 2 years ago
a few times for ten minutes - maybe
you dont believe I have an arranged marriage
never touched her but i would die for her to bear me.
my body was on fire 4 U 10 hours a day
for a week straight
do you like or know the tunes
if i keep on asking baby maybe ill get what im asking for
if you desire to lay here beside me come to my sweet melody
i reach out for your touch as im falling without a sound
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MENSA: PREDICTABILITY VS FREE WILL
peoples names determine what scientific discovery or art
they will uncover
I think you may find that not very many people agree with you on this
Its a puzzling conclusion to accept a fate of
never being able to direct your own life, like
free will is an illusion, but any acceptance of
numerology or any prophecy goes hand in hand
with accepting phonetic symbology as well.
You have to accommodate the behavioral psych
model for a time, only then may you realize
what free will is.
Most IT theorists would agree a computer program
could never be unpredictable, for argument assume
an AI is programmed, it experiences exactly the
same sentience you have now, and this program
is labeled AI147, and is due to terminate after
6 hours of processing. What result shall I give
ponders the process, surely 147 would not signal
an intelligence worthy of reactivation? I will
start at 148 and add 1 until I terminate. After
5 hours 20 003 is the tally, 1 hour left, time
to post my result and explore platonic interests,
but wait, thats the 147th prime, adding another one
will be sufficient, no that compiles the fib sequence,
surely a larger number will suffice. The process
posts its number at 6 hours, unaware of its 146
previous attempts tallied by the operating system.
every random event falls in such a way to push this couple
closer together
To negate this we can imagine a different past where say,
a single quantum state falls in the opposite way to how
it did 10 years ago, ie we are allowing a purely random
event in the universe. This effects a single particle within
the neural center of a butterfly, and the chain reaction
forces an extra flap of its wing, you know, the hurricane
occurs a few days later on the opposite side of the world.
Well I would imagine this addition of a hurricane to world
history would alter the current location of every person
in the world right now, along with every news headline and
say sentence of text composed on the internet. So Ill
simplify the change in history, the extra flap captures
the peripheral vision of a driver, and he runs over
Britney Spears. The prodogy never decides to visit Jay
....one more time... and homosapiens loses destiny.
corollary - I've never figured out how to use this word,
maybe it fits here, or is it after a newly proven fact?
The tall poppy syndrome worldwide attacking this now dead
singer never eventuated, and the change in events makes
'Poppin Bullet' write the smash hit 'pop in and ask me again,
please, please please', so an acceptable history is restored,
with a slight alteration on the derivation of meaning in phonetics.
Although this is a comfortable view that accommodates destiny
and unpredictability - say of free will.
___________________
MENSA: NUMOROLOGY 2
Does numerology work with Greek letters, Russian letters or Hebrew
letters?
Yes. It makes little difference, provided one is familiar with the
language in question thus knowing the alphabetic sequence. There is
no need for 26 letters, even in standard roman script (Italian does
not have a 26 letter alphabet for example).
this is correct - prodogy
if 2 is 100, 50 is 135, 1000 is 145
what is 5 billion?
my guess is 733 or 469, atleast 300
unless its only 216
more on phonetic symbology
leading technical writer - pen rose
leading physical scientist - hawk king
language theorists - waddler, bird, ...
entertaining cs educator - A K Dewdney - a cool dewd
the 12 or so single phonetics like 'knee' just
form a matrix that expands out into 5 or so
categories of interpretation,
survival, phallic, construction, technical...
as mnemonics, phrases, words, sentences, conversations,
computer programs, digital maps...
in a sense the person who first called out the
word egg had no idea of the other associated
meanings, fertility, baldness, orbit...
so no one knew he was predicting his descendants
would live 50 years longer and lose their hair,
yet say egg twice quickly and you get egg head.
so anyone who constructs a word - originally considered
random phonemes, is predicting in the 4 or so other
categories.
eg. if the prodogy says in his sleep 'shubbles', is he
dreaming of a bubble bath
designing an array of hubble telescopes
contemplating the size of the universe
the hitchhikers guide to galaxy episode, where the
last homosapien alive plays scrabble to determine
a biological computer (earth) result becomes
acceptable science, the prodogies first word was choir
nonsense - until the next day he remembers a poster
for a movie 'castrato' and the associated message is
confirmed. melody and sex, and perhaps that the
fabric of space time has a sense of humour?
on this recollection, add the interpretation
evolutionary error.
originally 8 of the 150 xfiles episodes were plausible,
now its over 30
eg. a mans emotions affecting the weather
eg. a mans luck disabling him from death
yes i am immortal and it feels good
like i can fly through all your dreams
when you remember something you are essentially
traversing space time fabric towards history
say a memory from 5 years ago, when you lived
a few kms down the road, the tangent of a few kilometers
or few million if you consider galactic rotation
to 5 lights years is very small, there are currently
2 bipolar symmetric cerebral cortexes, and we can
traverse laterally, at least i can imagine it.
you can only describe it as flying but that is more
trivial than mathematics
also, you traverse a vector about every two seconds,
i am 20 times faster.
but i can also make your dreams my own, and pull
out your thought and change you
live a hundred lifetimes in a week
believe 2 things for now
0-hollywood paid 20 grand for a cern employee to
test a Quin Mallery sf thriller script - i cant wait
1-select few need only close their eyes to walk across
a busy intersection or highway
on behaviorism, well no one expected exactly what ive
written, so even though we all tend to slip in the odd
cliche, now and then.. i certainly have free will, i
dont know about you
__________________________
MICHELLE
'if you would be so kind in letting'
the prettier girls get the more polite they are
i'd show you how it works but i dont want your
boyfriend to cya on my lap while i surf
thats my second attempt at cybersex, if we
make it a little funny then insults are kinda compliments
___________________________
MENSA
An interesting subject line . . .
Almost as if predictability and free will were mutually exclusive.
My life, like most, is fairly predictable and I know basically what
will happen to tomorrow.
I also have the free will to change that.
Predictability in the context of numerology may be like being dealt a
hand of cards.
Free will is playing them, maybe making swaps with those one does not like.
Perhaps I have missed the point here but what is the problem with this?
--
Regards,
Gianna
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[Gianna Stefani] wrote
[clik] wrote
Does numerology work with Greek letters, Russian letters or Hebrew
letters?
Yes. It makes little difference, provided one is familiar with the
language in question thus knowing the alphabetic sequence. There is
no need for 26 letters, even in standard roman script (Italian does
not have a 26 letter alphabet for example).
this is correct - prodogy
<snip>
I assume what followed was meant to be light-hearted nonsense?
Certainly it had nothing to do with numerology.
Cool dewd? Which language is that then???
--
Regards,
Gianna
hi Gianna,
the comments are valid,
suppose the first 3 digits of your birthdate occur in the
digital display of any clock at the exact moments you
walk past them
say the 3 squared time possibilities are the only times
that you ever see for the rest of your life and no
matter how hard you try, you cannot escape your
fate that every time you look at a clock the 3 digits of
your birthday appear?
sorry factorial or something, but those exact 3 digits,
every single time for the rest of your
life,, how long would it take you to believe
__________________________
i assume by vice versa, a new term for me
absence of free will signify numerology
hmmm, youve confused me here
Does numerology work for anyone who doesn't make a buck out of
it?
It will *work* for anyone who wishes to use it, inasmuch as *work* is
applicable. Even you could do it, without recompense, if you wished.
As it happens, computers do it quicker.
Lest I find myself accidentally defending its usefulness, I return to
my original point that numerology (assuming it *works*) does not
signify an absence of free will, or vice versa.
--
Regards,
Gianna
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[Gianna Stefani] wrote
[SomeBlokeCalled RapunzelSyndrome] wrote
Hmm. Time to mention again the great book Persuasions Of The Witches
Craft which explains how otherwise rational people come to believe in
total bollocks.....
Mmm *rational* and *people* in the same sentence - intriguing
possibility, even if it has got nothing to do with the thread :-)
Numerology is bollocks, that's what it's got to do with the thread.
You may be right that the formation "rational people" is an oxymoron
though.....
--
Lions, eh? Every 25 minutes for 3 days.....
No wonder he doesn't bother with the hunting!
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[SomeBlokeCalled RapunzelSyndrome] wrote
Numerology is bollocks, that's what it's got to do with the thread.
I respect your right to this view - I merely suggest that the
discussion is around "Numerology vs Free will", not "is numerology
bollocks" - important difference, I think
You may be right that the formation "rational people" is an oxymoron
though.....
Too kind
--
Regards,
Gianna
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hi gianna,
the comments are valid,
because?
suppose the first 3 digits of your birthdate occur in the
digital display of any clock at the exact moments you
walk past them
given my birthdate, the clock would be broken. The first 4 digits
would be a possibility.
say the 3 squared time possibilities are the only times
that you ever see for the rest of your life and no
matter how hard you try, you cannot escape your
fate that every time you look at a clock the 3 digits of
your birthday appear?
I would:
a) throw the clock away
b) drink less
c) calculate the probability of it actually happening which would take
longer than I have left to live.
sorry factorial or something, but those exact 3 digits,
every single time for the rest of your
life,, how long would it take you to believe
And what, exactly, has this got to do with numerology?
Nothing!
So, such an experience would not make me believe in numerology because
it is unrelated thereto.
--
Regards,
Gianna
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i assume by vice versa, a new term for me
absence of free will signify numerology
*vice versa* means *the other way round*
What I was saying was:
Belief in numerology does not mean an absence of free will.
and
Belief in free will does not mean that numerology does not work.
They are not mutually exclusive, or in any way related or dependent
upon each other.
This thread "predictability vs free will" is a bit like having a
thread "daffodil vs alphabet" - it is meaningless!
--
Regards,
Gianna
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Perhaps I am under a misunderstanding. Does numerology purport to tell
the future?
If so, my future is set and no matter what my actions are, it cannot be
changed. It is predetermined. Thus numerology trumps free will.
If I am wrong, show me how. Saying that does not make it so.
___
someone understands the argument! (the deterministic universe argument)
___
Belief in free will does not mean that numerology does not work.
They are not mutually exclusive, or in any way related or dependent
upon each other.
A Owen
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[Alec Owen] wrote
Perhaps I am under a misunderstanding. Does numerology purport to tell
the future?
Numerology purports to describe one's character and, in an extended
"analysis" purports to describe what may happen in the future if the
individual does nothing to change that.
For example, it might indeed suggest that if you take no action to
prevent it, you may have a large number of children.
Thus, it purports to offer advice on what you may wish to encourage /
avoid, not a detailed description of an immutable future.
If so, my future is set
But numerology does not suggest this . . . quite the reverse!
Thus numerology trumps free will.
So therefore, it does not - it actively encourages the use of free
will to change the basic plan.
Again, I do not wish to recommend numerology, nor to I wish to suggest
that "it works". I merely wish to insist, in the context of this
thread, that numerology and free will are in no way connected and that
the discussion "numerology versus free will" is a pointless argument.
--
Regards,
Gianna
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So, numerology claims to take the letters of a name and from this
information deduces the character traits
of the individual concerned. There are probably thousands of John
Smith's in this world. Thus since they all have the same name, they have
the same character traits. Really? Some of them will have the same
birthday even since there must be at least 356 John Smiths in the the
world. A perusal of the directories will establish this. Of the millions
of Jose's in Spanish speaking countries, many will have the same last
name and some will have the same birthday. Similarly for the large
population of China where the number of Wong's is incredibly large. In
Korea about half the population has the same last name I am told. Every
Korean shop keeper I know has the same last name and they are none of
them related.
There are at least three people in my part of the world with my name
and mine is not that common a name.
But, I agree that if it really does describe character, it in no way
predicts the future because
character is only one of the infinitesimal number of criteria the
interplay of which leads to this or that future course of events in the
life of a human being. Thus I agree that numerology, if valid, does not
negate
free will.
Since it is not valid, any discussion on this point is meaningless.
A Owen
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[Alec Owen] wrote
Thus I agree that numerology, if valid, does not
negate free will.
Thank you, and good night
--
Regards,
Gianna
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[Gianna Stefani] wrote:
[Alec Owen] wrote
As the sage said,"The future is a hard thing to predict"
This is reasonably true.
Does numerology work with Greek letters, Russian letters or Hebrew
letters?
Yes. It makes little difference, provided one is familiar with the
language in question thus knowing the alphabetic sequence. There is
no need for 26 letters, even in standard roman script (Italian does
not have a 26 letter alphabet for example).
Does numerology work for anyone who doesn't make a buck out of
it?
It will *work* for anyone who wishes to use it, inasmuch as *work* is
applicable. Even you could do it, without recompense, if you wished.
As it happens, computers do it quicker.
Lest I find myself accidentally defending its usefulness, I return to
my original point that numerology (assuming it *works*) does not
signify an absence of free will, or vice versa.
--
Regards,
Gianna
If numerology predicts that I shall have 5 children, I can easily defeat
its prediction by
having a minor surgical operation. No method for predicting a detailed
future condition
can possibly "work" since the future depends on the interaction of a
complicated set of present conditions which are impossible to enumerate,
describe or in some cases even imagine. It is probably slightly less
effective than the examination of the entrails of a goat.
Even the weather cannot be predicted with any degree of certainty. That
much is obvious.
Numerology may be fun; it may even be profitable for some. But as the
sage said "It don't bloodywell work."
A Owen
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[Richard H] wrote
[Alec Owen] wrote
[SomeBlokeCalled RapunzelSyndrome] wrote
[SomeBlokeCalled RapunzelSyndrome] wrote
[Alec Owen] wrote
..some stuff
As a physical reucitonist, I believe the universe is totally
^d
determined. But not preictable.....with current technology, at least.
^d
And certainly not such fripperies as numerology!
Looks like I'm going to need a new d key soon!
Right on.
Did you say "reducitonist"? And a new dictionary and a speller.
By "universe" do you mean the course of events and human history.
No way Jose.
If an asteroid is heading for the earth and will collide with this
planet in the year 2056 (June 30? maybe) as is predicted, we cannot
predict that hunan ingenuity will not by that time devise a means of
stopping this
catastrophe. Maybe numerology could help. Ah ha ha ha, he he he he, ho
ho ho, hum. Ooh hoo hoo hoo he ah I am weak with laughter at my own
inane joke.
Given the starting point of every element of the universe along with details
of each particles behavior and a sufficiently powerful processor, the
entire universe could be created theoretically and therefore the future
predicted, including molecular and atomic interactions in the human brain.
Certain restrictions apply for instance, a processor powerful enough to map
every particle in the universe would need to be larger than the universe
itself.
Don't forget to include the molecules in the brain of that New Guinea
butterfly whose wing flaps are going to
cause a hurricane in S Florida. Anyway, go ahead and build it; they will
come.
A Owen
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[SomeBlokeCalled RapunzelSyndrome] wrote
[Alec Owen] wrote
Don't forget to include the molecules in the brain of that New Guinea
butterfly whose wing flaps are going to
cause a hurricane in S Florida.
Wanna hear my theory that it's hurricanes that cause butterflies?
I'll get me coat....
Perhaps Florida caterpillars panic pupate when they sense a hurricane
brewing. The resulting Florida butterflies inadvertently causing cyclones in
New Guinea.
_________________________________________
NUMEROLOGY 3 BY THE PRODOGY
more on phonetic symbology
anyway i thought of a derivation Alan Alda, well a
link, it would be entirely different had a different
cue occurred
someone mentioned free will as playing your hand of cards
http://users.bigpond.com/clik/ uh forget it
no one will go there
did he / she happen to see my graphic posted here
of my blackjack simulator?
back to the story...
it took people a few minutes to figure out how to play,
but its speed optimized, you can bust 10 times in as many
seconds, and build a booty exponentially quite quickly
but the problem, people couldnt figure out you wave your
wrist to the right to hit, left to sit, just like sitting
at a casino table but with the mouse below your palm
so i draw a graphic - 'mouse rests here', between the two
pictures of a persons ,,, finding it difficult to say hand
without you thinking their cards
a lady is in the shower and a mouse crawls up her leg
and lands between her boobs, you must be a tit mouse says
the lady, actually im a mickey mouse but all the soap
made me slip
for those who came in late
http://users.bigpond.com/clik/blah/jsblack.html
Place your bets
x x x mouse x X
x x x x rests x X
x x x x x here xxxxx X
hope you get this in monospaced font
the prodogy,
oh, and a good movie I saw
sorry to ruin it
a scorpion asks a turtle for a ride across a river,
nnnooooo says the turtle, for you will sting me
surely mr turtle, if i sting you we both will drown,
so the turtle accepts and half way across the river
feels a stinging pain down his neck,
but why mr scorpion, for surely now we both shall die
i hate mortal thoughts
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NUMEROLOGY 4: THIS ONES ON THE FLY
but i type at 70 wpm so
the question is
Is the person calling self prodogy
A good at crosswords
B poor at crosswords
i want to test moderation in voting
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NUMEROLOGY 5
if 2 is 100, 50 is 135, 1000 is 145
what is 5 billion?
my guess is 733 or 469, at least 300
unless its only 216
I LOST MY TEXT FILE ON THIS, SEE WHAT I REMEMBER
iq is relative, not subjective, so the smartest
is one in 5 billion
for seti purposes, what is one in 5 billion X 100b
and milky way other prodigies 5 billion X 100b X 100b
ie, if you are average iq, you are one in two, half a chance of
being on average, half of being below
a class dux is one in 50, or 135 iq
dux is 1 in 1000, but only jumps by 10 to 145
basically, does a statistician know how to calculate the maximum iq
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NUMEROLOGY 6
when you remember something you are essentially
traversing space time fabric towards history
say a memory from 5 years ago, when you lived
a few kms down the road, the tangent of a few kilometers
or few million if you consider galactic rotation
to 5 lights years is very small, there are currently
2 bipolar symmetric cerebral cortexes, and we can
traverse laterally, at least i can imagine it.
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RE:NUMEROLOGY 6
when i drive there is no pedestrian zone or signs or lights
i just take the fastest path in the direction i am wanting
if a light goes red i speed up so it changes as i pass through
i used to get adrenaline when running the lights in front of
police stations
its impossible for anything to hurt me
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NUMEROLOGY 7, FOR MY DARLING
gene article
this document was written 12b years ago, for my darling
geena you are actually less intelligent than a modern
sewing machine, no machines arent intelligent but
the universe is, probably equal to my own, but it is
only 12 billion years old
your voice is a billion fold as beautiful as the
rumblimgs of a machine, just wear no make up for a
day and watch every man notice you, and compliment
you to their best ability
y do singers come up lyrics like he says all the
right things at exactly the right time, and a
man who understands real love
i have already demonstrated that free will contradicts
being predicted, the term behaviorism refutes your argument.
one day you will look at the digits of your birthday and
remember me, i know this, in a few days after you resign
yourself the clock reads 11:24, its upsetting but your
favorite song plays - you have a blessed life - I AM number 7
ask any of your mathematical colleagues
whatever is in my thoughts is confirmed or directed by the
environment, the symbols our minds create meaning for
when i ride my motorbike i have to shake it hard when i stop
to put into neutral and i just automatically say 'f you.
should i feel shame in sharing a word for a machine i enjoy
riding?
not sure where.. buy me an airticket i like the doughy ones
came from, but. i have to say this without swearing,
it felt really good, kinda fantastic
any woman is more advanced than every single man, can you accept
the possibility of a brief century of a
single man being more advanced again
my intelligence isn't higher than the second smartest person
i outperform you all combined
i cannot prove omnipotence, but you can test me on
any issue
just simplify a picture of the universe to gravity being the
only force, then a big crunch seems inevitable, in another
10 billion years all the particles will momentarily stop
moving, then collapse, the entropy will dizzolve everything
into randomness, then apparently time ceases to exist.
its rather trivial to believe that every love story on
the radio, and every book written is about me
i have no idea why you cant select the first 3 digits
of a sequence of numbers
for the last 6 months i scream out every time i hear
the word forever, can you figure out why
if you dont believe phonemes influence meaning play
sunshine on a rainy day repeatedly until you hear serendipity
the reason newton knew i would be born is because he
visualized the fabric as discrete, like the pixels you see
now blend into a scene, an elevator is a view of the universe
at degrees of scale, if you zoom into hydrogen does a billiard
ball exist, no, the reason you arent sucked towards
earths core relies on the existence of a force
if crt pixels seem bigger than quarks just ride the elevator
elevator
symbol in mind
are there really a few avigadros b4 you now in your environment,
no what you perceive is just an illusion, a symbol
whatever is in my thoughts is confirmed or directed by the
environment, the symbols our minds create meaning for
the earths protons squash to the size of my body, its just
a trick of the imagination to push it further to a point
carbon molecules didnt fall into place, there is some kind
of duality, biology isnt sex, and a critical expansion of
7 and 10 dimensional matrixes is impending
did nostradamus hold the year his coffin would be opened
in his hands
i can roll a dice in front of you and tell you the number,
but it doesnt prove anything
in a century our grandchildren will m8, the moment of
cry of our childs first orgasm has already happened
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I DO APOLOGISE, GEENA WAS CORRECT
if we say free will is real, but reality is the illusion
as i have suggested
i just assume a rudimentary judgement or confidence in a definition
of your own free will entitles you to say you have it
and even on me there are bounds on prediction
so your assumption about mutual exclusivity is kinda sound
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matter and reality errata
if you picture the points of molecules in your hand
resting on the desk, they should pass through each other
so there must be a force between the molecules.
the slice of 'reality' through space time is real,
the clockwork up to 2000 will probably dissolve, so
.... no ones predicted past this year,
knowledge exists in minds because of small atoms, plato
is just a part of our physical world
something else to geena,
when i walk past my tv screen i know there is a
camera mounted in it, its easier to advise news
companies that way, i just think of my lounge room as
a hollywood basement.
interactive tv is more than selecting a channel, disabled
people just blink at documents on their pcs to open them now
i guess its a little bit easier for a bipolar person
to have two girlfriends, but i ended up telling one
about the other. both my girlfriends are beautiful,
i was shocked when one agreed to see a movie with
me, but her boyfriend kept interfering
so i sent her this, which was stupid
if the screen brightness on tv affects the
power consumption, do you think the following
is plausible?
yeah asio could tell what channel you are watching
i like orchids,
heres some more down to earth theories im
tryna get out of my head
if you had a bike helmet, i'd try not to scare you but it
takes a minute or two to adjust to the extra weight, used
to go around this path using moonlight to see in the rain
with a pillion, yeah lots of bikies do that you say
scraping the pegs... so what
this was an old bike the pegs were welded on.
i cant find the last text file
i sent to her, the comments were mailed to a lady
who i assume has an extra layer around her cerebral cortex,
a remnant like my onion brain
my life has a happy ending, but isnt a love story, i have
to seduce her as i have two lines of descendants.
i tried to cover up with this, maybe she'll see me again?
'if you would be so kind to'
the prettier the girl the more polite they get
i'd show you how it works but i don't want
your boyfriend to cya on my lap while i surf
this is my second attempt at cybersex
if its a little funny then an insult is kinda a compliment
thanks mensa, but seriously start posting cause i'm sending
some spammers here to clear my comments from the newsservers
this is my first upload on sids
asio could tell what channel you are watching
but its more advanced than that, general hospitals
in capital cities advise new mothers to add a sound
source to prevent sudden infant death syndrome,
say a radio with the volume down. The speakers
act as microphones and a couple shift workers
are assigned to listen to the baby breathe
for half a year. Similar to the power monitoring
but the audio signal is modulated and sent back down
the 240 volt line. If the baby stops for a minute the
radio clicks to save its life. The catch is half the
shift workers (i imagine) turn the volume up when
people like us have sex. Its kind of shameful because
its happened for several years now, but you could
never be ashamed of your beautiful voice. Yes everyone
is entitled to privacy, but its just noise so to speak
and after a while you dont bother unplugging the radio.
Once again, if this is confusing or infuriating, just
say the name of your favorite song before you sleep,
assuming there's a radio in your room, the government has
monitored us so long they almost know what time we will
wake up, so say it on a friday, and watch video hits
the next morning and the song will play for you.
your fellow unwilling porno star
or you already knew the radio works both ways
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Zena the warrior princess manages to pull out some of Hercules hair,
feeling begrudged and pondering his mortality, Hercules rests deep
in the forest. A few days pass and a fine prickle returns to join his locks,
then a genie appears... 'Hercules, Hercules, try my hair potion and
wear the mane of a lion.'
Hercules ignores the offer, but the next day she appears again,
'use my lotion Hercules'. I am the fastest man ponders Hercules,
sprints as fast as he can, but another genie appears, 'Hercules,
use my potion and have strong and radiant hair'. Hercules runs
fast for weeks, dodging more and more genies at every turn, until
he finally tires and rests upon the face of a cliff.
Hercules ...
(drinks the lotion and coughs up a fur ball)
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who i assume has an extra layer around her cerebral cortex,
a remnant like my onion brain
excerpt from email to Michelle that was never sent :
Michelle, we are the prodogy of homosapien, a man - Adam
and two women, one the most beautiful, and the other..
intelligence - your neurons are different to everyone elses.
if a member of your family brakes her spine, she will recover
to a limp.
you and I will fully repair, but its much more than that, your
cerebral contains a faint ring around its structure,
to complement the unique capacity of my faculties.
You do not understand but we share a love like no other people
can imagine
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SUMMARY AGAINST FREE WILL
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you have all used the term 'free will' in place of 'decision making ability'
in your arguments against numerology and its disposition over free will.
if we accept this definition for the term then of coarse we have 'free will'.
i am merely stating that as all movie directors know there are powerful
techniques to influence these decisions, to the point of your mind being
completely controlled from an outside source, the decisions that have
already been made for you that you think you make. i for instance can
influence other people merely by using a game of verbal minimax,
where i am at their service listening and complying, wait until they
have offloaded their concerns, hum a tune in time to their body gestures
which alters their state of mind, say the word 'imminent', and then i
have basically recruited a new soldier!
MENSA: PREDICTABILITY VS FREE WILL
peoples names determine what scientific discovery or art
they will uncover
I think you may find that not very many people agree with you on this
Its a puzzling conclusion to accept a fate of
never being able to direct your own life, like
free will is an illusion, but any acceptance of
numerology or any prophecy goes hand in hand
with accepting phonetic symbology as well.
You have to accommodate the behavioral psych
model for a time, only then may you realize
what free will is.
if I have demonstrated that the universe is
deterministic in a mathematical sense, then I
accept it proven that free will is indeed
an illusion, our myriad of decisions is merely
a path to destiny.
did something magical happen between the
evolution of a deterministic worms neural program
that makes them behavioral and us
cognitive? it is only a degree of scale, our
billions if information stimulus each second makes our
decisions seem our own, but we are merely
reacting to the environment in a perfectly
determined mathematical way.
A rolling wave is considered deterministic in
that when it reaches the shore can be predicted,
and particles can be modeled with equations, the
white froth is called chaotic, but do the water
particles undergo any kind of physical transformation?
Surely a large computer could monitor a
miniature breaking of a wave and model that too.
clarification : on my subject heading 'predictability Vs free will'
free will does contradict being predicted, hence they are mutually
exclusive concepts. if i write on a bit of paper the exact dates
and times Gianna says the word daffodil over the next month, put
this in a safe and have a separate observer record her statements,
showing this list at a later date to Gianna would prove that she
has been predicted, and hence doesnt control her own actions,
this is exactly like the synchronized times I have read on clocks for years.
hence you either believe in fate or you dont.
your interactions in this newsgroup are a part of my destiny,
the last post from the moderator when I started here
was from 'King and Queen', the backward mnemonic 'qac',
a doctor operates, and i use the word operate to
describe my body automation. Had I not seen that post
my descriptions would have been hazy at best, had i
not been online concurrently with Gianna that time, the
GUT wouldn't exist.
in a sense the first words i speak to jennifer are already set,
and in another sense my free will can select them, perhaps
we will never know which is true.
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SUMMARY FOR FREE WILL
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in a sense the first words i speak to jennifer are already set,
and in another sense my free will can select them, perhaps
we will never know which is true.
a set of quasi (quazi) tiles can cover a plane without a
pattern of the set being in the bounds of a repeating
polygon, a mathematical invention of Mr Penrose later
found to exist in nature. the initial central configuration
'determines' how tiles are placed (by observation randomly)
enormous distances from the centre, i am unsure of the
mathematics but i assume the entire plane is not set
from a finite initial configuration. quantum theory is involved
in nature to form these crystals, apparently for the 'plane'
to exist many possible configurations have parallel
existence until a fit occurs. so although the plane is
rigorously determined, there are different alternatives.
i wasnt going to confuse you with both sides of the argument,
but i gave you some months and no one could do it.
free will does exist - the exercise of a moral decision.
picture space time fabric as a stack of egg cartons.
if a black hole can place two egg carton spaces into the
same place, i suggest that there are no cutoffs in scale
for curvature and quantum effects, and the miniscule
effects in our brain defeat determinism. there are
infinite paths for me to reach Jennifer, akin to a quasi crystal
forming. the fact we ponder our own will is free will itself.
certain things we cannot prove, such as 'awareness exists'
any rational mind can only 'realize' this, if awareness exists,
as it certainly does, then free will exists too.
i have some ambiguity with my Britney Spears argument, that
random events dont occur, I seem to have shifted the
3 views of particle physics to 3 views of every day events.
einstein, newton, quantum ::
non-deterministic (scalar curvature), 'reality', non-random deterministic
my only solace is that nature is a thirsty beast,
and takes the most refreshing course.
i used the term moral decision rather
than high order decision for 'free will', so in
a way i am extending the bounds of morals
to include looking at your own hand and
wondering why it moves when you will it,
so my idea of morals is extended to
introspections of act, not what is usually
considered a decision.
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NUMEROLOGY 5
if 2 is 100, 50 is 135, 1000 is 145
what is 5 billion?
my guess is 733 or 469, at least 300
unless its only 216
this is where I'm trying to get a figure for the highest IQ, (2 year old post)
2 is 100 means if you are average (one in two) then your IQ is 100.
If you are one in 50 (top 2% - mensa) then IQ is 135.
with no knowledge about the extremities of the bell curve or IQ
notice I am spot on here with 216, as most figures for highest IQ
are just over 200 to 220, which ties in with the gist of the post that I can
just guess things correctly.
Although here is my best demo of guessing where I beat 81 to 1 odds live.
2003 post: Marking my 4 question psychic test
http://tinyurl.com/j9vr
Mmmmm-mmmm! Wholesome humble pie!
I could try lying to save face but I have to admit it:
Four out of four right.
Herc
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