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Re: Freedom loving patriotic ACLU to the rescue!!! |
"Uncle Samuel" <stars@bars> wrote in message
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On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:56:17 GMT, Ken Smith <Ranger57@concentric.net>
wrote:
Uncle Samuel wrote:
On 14 Aug 2003 00:47:28 -0000, Jiggs McManus <anon@cheshire.dyndns.dk>
wrote:
(They attempt to desTroy freedom, the ACLU patches things up.)
DENVER -- The American Civil Liberties Union filed a federal lawsuit
Tuesday seeking to throw out a new Colorado law requiring teachers and
students to say the Pledge of Allegiance.
Well now, we can't have any patriotism creeping into the muddled pool
of screwed up liberal moronic daily life can we?
You jerk.
Sam, would you be down with changing the words of the Pledge to "One
nation under Al'lah?"
Do you think any Islamic freaks founded this nation?
I don't think
We know ...
so.
You're stupid ...?
Bite off.
Bite this you superstitious imbecile:
Deism: (1) The belief in the existence of a God on purely rational grounds
without reliance on revelation or authority; especially in the 17th and 18th
centuries. (2) The doctrine that God created the world and its natural laws, but
takes no further part in its functioning.
"Point for point, the Founding Fathers' argument for liberty was the exact
counterpart of the Puritans' argument for dictatorship - but in reverse, moving
from the opposite starting point to the opposite conclusion. Man, the Founding
Fathers said in essence (with a large assist from Locke and others), is the
rational being; no authority, human or otherwise, can demand blind obedience
from such a being - not in the realm of thought or, therefore, in the realm of
action, either. By his very nature, they said, man must be left free to exercise
his reason and then to act accordingly, i.e., by the guidance of his best
rational judgment. Because this world is of vital importance, they added, the
motive of man's action should be the pursuit of happiness. Because the
individual, not a supernatural power, is the creator of wealth, a man should
have the right to private property, the right to keep and use or trade his own
product. And because man is basically good, they held, there is no need to leash
him; there is nothing to fear in setting free a rational animal.
"This, in substance, was the American argument for man's inalienable
rights. It was the argument that reason demands freedom."
-Leonard Peikoff, "Religion vs. America," The Voice of Reason
United States Constitution
The First Amendment
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..."
Article VI, Section 3
"...no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or
public trust under the United States."
John Adams (the second President of the United States)
Adams signed the Treaty of Tripoli (June 7, 1797). Article 11 states:
"The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the
Christian religion."
From a letter to Charles Cushing (October 19, 1756):
"Twenty times in the course of my late reading, have I been upon the point of
breaking out, 'this would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no
religion in it.'"
From a letter to Thomas Jefferson:
"I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the
abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved - the Cross. Consider
what calamities that engine of grief has produced!"
Additional quotes from John Adams:
"Where do we find a precept in the Bible for Creeds, Confessions, Doctrines and
Oaths, and whole carloads of trumpery that we find religion encumbered with in
these days?"
"The Doctrine of the divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for
absurdity."
"...Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural
authority of the people alone, without a pretence of miracle or mystery, and
which are destined to spread over the northern part of that whole quarter of the
globe, are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind."
Thomas Jefferson (the third President of the United States)
Jefferson's interpretation of the first amendment in a letter to the Danbury
Baptist Association (January 1, 1802):
"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and
his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that
the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I
contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which
declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment
of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of
separation between church and State."
From Jefferson's biography:
"...an amendment was proposed by inserting the words, 'Jesus Christ...the holy
author of our religion,' which was rejected 'By a great majority in proof that
they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the
Gentile, the Christian and the Mohammedan, the Hindoo and the Infidel of every
denomination.'"
Jefferson's "The Statute of Virginia for Religious Freedom":
"Our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions, more than on our
opinions in physics and geometry. . . ."
Jefferson's Notes on the State of Virginia (Query 17, "Religion"):
"The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious
to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty
gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. . . ."
"Reason and persuasion are the only practicable instruments. To make way for
these free inquiry must be indulged; how can we wish others to indulge it while
we refuse ourselves? But every state, says an inquisitor, has established some
religion. No two, say I, have established the same. Is this a proof of the
infallibility of establishments?"
Jefferson's letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823:
"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being
as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the
generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."
Additional quotes from Thomas Jefferson:
"It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by
itself."
"They [the clergy] believe that any portion of power confided to me, will be
exerted in opposition of their schemes. And they believe rightly: for I have
sworn upon the alter of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over
the mind of man."
"In every country and in every age the priest has been hostile to liberty; he is
always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection
to his own."
"Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every
opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there
be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded
fear....Do not be frightened from this inquiry by any fear of its consequences.
If it end in a belief that there is no God, you will find incitements to virtue
on the comfort and pleasantness you feel in its exercise and in the love of
others which it will procure for you."
"...that our civil rights have no dependence on religious opinions, any more
than our opinions in physics and geometry."
James Madison (the fourth President of the United States)
Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments:
"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every
noble enterprise....During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment
of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less, in all
places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in laity; in
both, superstition, bigotry, and persecution."
Additional quote from James Madison:
"Religion and government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are
mixed together."
Benjamin Franklin
From Franklin's autobiography, p. 66:
"My parents had given me betimes religious impressions, and I received from my
infancy a pious education in the principles of Calvinism. But scarcely was I
arrived at fifteen years of age, when, after having doubted in turn of different
tenets, according as I found them combated in the different books that I read, I
began to doubt of Revelation itself."
From Franklin's autobiography, p. 66:
"...Some books against Deism fell into my hands....It happened that they wrought
an effect on me quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments
of the Deists, which were quote to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger than
the refutations, in short, I soon became a thorough Deist."
Thomas Paine
From The Age of Reason, pp. 8-9:
"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman
church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church,
nor by any church that I know of....Each of those churches accuse the other of
unbelief; and of my own part, I disbelieve them all."
From The Age of Reason:
"All natural institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish,
appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave
mankind, and monopolize power and profit."
From The Age of Reason:
"The most detestable wickedness, the most horrid cruelties, and the greatest
miseries that have afflicted the human race have had their origin in this thing
called revelation, or revealed religion."
From The Age of Reason:
"What is it the Bible teaches us? - rapine, cruelty, and murder."
From The Age of Reason:
"Loving of enemies is another dogma of feigned morality, and has beside no
meaning....Those who preach the doctrine of loving their enemies are in general
the greatest prosecutors, and they act consistently by so doing; for the
doctrine is hypocritical, and it is natural that hypocrisy should act the
reverse of what it preaches."
From The Age of Reason:
"The Bible was established altogether by the sword, and that in the worst use of
it - not to terrify but to extirpate."
Additional quote from Thomas Paine:
"It is the duty of every true Deist to vindicate the moral justice of God
against the evils of the Bible."
Ethan Allen
From Religion of the American Enlightenment:
"Denominated a Deist, the reality of which I have never disputed, being
conscious that I am no Christian."
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15 Aug 2003 03:25:31 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:17:39 -0600, "=> Vox Populi ©" <vox@popu.li>
wrote:
"Uncle Samuel" <stars@bars> wrote in message
news:ssnojv8ighp6qle9rkrdu2bdjphdpg9tpf@4ax.com...
On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:56:17 GMT, Ken Smith <Ranger57@concentric.net>
wrote:
Uncle Samuel wrote:
On 14 Aug 2003 00:47:28 -0000, Jiggs McManus <anon@cheshire.dyndns.dk>
wrote:
(They attempt to desTroy freedom, the ACLU patches things up.)
DENVER -- The American Civil Liberties Union filed a federal lawsuit
Tuesday seeking to throw out a new Colorado law requiring teachers and
students to say the Pledge of Allegiance.
Well now, we can't have any patriotism creeping into the muddled pool
of screwed up liberal moronic daily life can we?
You jerk.
Sam, would you be down with changing the words of the Pledge to "One
nation under Al'lah?"
Do you think any Islamic freaks founded this nation?
I don't think
We know ...
so.
You're stupid ...?
Bite off.
Bite this
Bit it yerself you America-hating crank.
Islamic freaks did NOT found America - nuff said!
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| User: "= Vox Populi ©" |
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15 Aug 2003 03:31:54 PM |
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"Uncle Samuel" <stars@bars> wrote in message
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On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:17:39 -0600, "=> Vox Populi ©" <vox@popu.li>
wrote:
"Uncle Samuel" <stars@bars> wrote in message
news:ssnojv8ighp6qle9rkrdu2bdjphdpg9tpf@4ax.com...
On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:56:17 GMT, Ken Smith <Ranger57@concentric.net>
wrote:
Uncle Samuel wrote:
On 14 Aug 2003 00:47:28 -0000, Jiggs McManus <anon@cheshire.dyndns.dk>
wrote:
(They attempt to desTroy freedom, the ACLU patches things up.)
DENVER -- The American Civil Liberties Union filed a federal lawsuit
Tuesday seeking to throw out a new Colorado law requiring teachers and
students to say the Pledge of Allegiance.
Well now, we can't have any patriotism creeping into the muddled pool
of screwed up liberal moronic daily life can we?
You jerk.
Sam, would you be down with changing the words of the Pledge to "One
nation under Al'lah?"
Do you think any Islamic freaks founded this nation?
I don't think
We know ...
so.
You're stupid ...?
Bite off.
Bite this
Bit it yerself you America-hating crank.
Islamic freaks did NOT found America - nuff said!
Nor did Babble Thumping christian perverts ...
PS: you snipped the quotes from your Founding PimpDaddies ...
"Point for point, the Founding Fathers' argument for liberty was the exact
counterpart of the Puritans' argument for dictatorship - but in reverse, moving
from the opposite starting point to the opposite conclusion. Man, the Founding
Fathers said in essence (with a large assist from Locke and others), is the
rational being; no authority, human or otherwise, can demand blind obedience
from such a being - not in the realm of thought or, therefore, in the realm of
action, either. By his very nature, they said, man must be left free to exercise
his reason and then to act accordingly, i.e., by the guidance of his best
rational judgment. Because this world is of vital importance, they added, the
motive of man's action should be the pursuit of happiness. Because the
individual, not a supernatural power, is the creator of wealth, a man should
have the right to private property, the right to keep and use or trade his own
product. And because man is basically good, they held, there is no need to leash
him; there is nothing to fear in setting free a rational animal.
"This, in substance, was the American argument for man's inalienable
rights. It was the argument that reason demands freedom."
-Leonard Peikoff, "Religion vs. America," The Voice of Reason
United States Constitution
The First Amendment
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..."
Article VI, Section 3
"...no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or
public trust under the United States."
John Adams (the second President of the United States)
Adams signed the Treaty of Tripoli (June 7, 1797). Article 11 states:
"The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the
Christian religion."
From a letter to Charles Cushing (October 19, 1756):
"Twenty times in the course of my late reading, have I been upon the point of
breaking out, 'this would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no
religion in it.'"
From a letter to Thomas Jefferson:
"I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the
abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved - the Cross. Consider
what calamities that engine of grief has produced!"
Additional quotes from John Adams:
"Where do we find a precept in the Bible for Creeds, Confessions, Doctrines and
Oaths, and whole carloads of trumpery that we find religion encumbered with in
these days?"
"The Doctrine of the divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for
absurdity."
"...Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural
authority of the people alone, without a pretence of miracle or mystery, and
which are destined to spread over the northern part of that whole quarter of the
globe, are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind."
Thomas Jefferson (the third President of the United States)
Jefferson's interpretation of the first amendment in a letter to the Danbury
Baptist Association (January 1, 1802):
"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and
his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that
the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I
contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which
declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment
of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of
separation between church and State."
From Jefferson's biography:
"...an amendment was proposed by inserting the words, 'Jesus Christ...the holy
author of our religion,' which was rejected 'By a great majority in proof that
they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the
Gentile, the Christian and the Mohammedan, the Hindoo and the Infidel of every
denomination.'"
Jefferson's "The Statute of Virginia for Religious Freedom":
"Our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions, more than on our
opinions in physics and geometry. . . ."
Jefferson's Notes on the State of Virginia (Query 17, "Religion"):
"The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious
to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty
gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. . . ."
"Reason and persuasion are the only practicable instruments. To make way for
these free inquiry must be indulged; how can we wish others to indulge it while
we refuse ourselves? But every state, says an inquisitor, has established some
religion. No two, say I, have established the same. Is this a proof of the
infallibility of establishments?"
Jefferson's letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823:
"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being
as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the
generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."
Additional quotes from Thomas Jefferson:
"It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by
itself."
"They [the clergy] believe that any portion of power confided to me, will be
exerted in opposition of their schemes. And they believe rightly: for I have
sworn upon the alter of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over
the mind of man."
"In every country and in every age the priest has been hostile to liberty; he is
always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection
to his own."
"Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every
opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there
be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded
fear....Do not be frightened from this inquiry by any fear of its consequences.
If it end in a belief that there is no God, you will find incitements to virtue
on the comfort and pleasantness you feel in its exercise and in the love of
others which it will procure for you."
"...that our civil rights have no dependence on religious opinions, any more
than our opinions in physics and geometry."
James Madison (the fourth President of the United States)
Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments:
"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every
noble enterprise....During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment
of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less, in all
places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in laity; in
both, superstition, bigotry, and persecution."
Additional quote from James Madison:
"Religion and government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are
mixed together."
Benjamin Franklin
From Franklin's autobiography, p. 66:
"My parents had given me betimes religious impressions, and I received from my
infancy a pious education in the principles of Calvinism. But scarcely was I
arrived at fifteen years of age, when, after having doubted in turn of different
tenets, according as I found them combated in the different books that I read, I
began to doubt of Revelation itself."
From Franklin's autobiography, p. 66:
"...Some books against Deism fell into my hands....It happened that they wrought
an effect on me quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments
of the Deists, which were quote to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger than
the refutations, in short, I soon became a thorough Deist."
Thomas Paine
From The Age of Reason, pp. 8-9:
"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman
church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church,
nor by any church that I know of....Each of those churches accuse the other of
unbelief; and of my own part, I disbelieve them all."
From The Age of Reason:
"All natural institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish,
appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave
mankind, and monopolize power and profit."
From The Age of Reason:
"The most detestable wickedness, the most horrid cruelties, and the greatest
miseries that have afflicted the human race have had their origin in this thing
called revelation, or revealed religion."
From The Age of Reason:
"What is it the Bible teaches us? - rapine, cruelty, and murder."
From The Age of Reason:
"Loving of enemies is another dogma of feigned morality, and has beside no
meaning....Those who preach the doctrine of loving their enemies are in general
the greatest prosecutors, and they act consistently by so doing; for the
doctrine is hypocritical, and it is natural that hypocrisy should act the
reverse of what it preaches."
From The Age of Reason:
"The Bible was established altogether by the sword, and that in the worst use of
it - not to terrify but to extirpate."
Additional quote from Thomas Paine:
"It is the duty of every true Deist to vindicate the moral justice of God
against the evils of the Bible."
Ethan Allen
From Religion of the American Enlightenment:
"Denominated a Deist, the reality of which I have never disputed, being
conscious that I am no Christian."
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16 Aug 2003 04:52:51 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:31:54 -0600, "=> Vox Populi ©" <vox@popu.li>
wrote:
"Uncle Samuel" <stars@bars> wrote in message
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On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:17:39 -0600, "=> Vox Populi ©" <vox@popu.li>
wrote:
"Uncle Samuel" <stars@bars> wrote in message
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On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:56:17 GMT, Ken Smith <Ranger57@concentric.net>
wrote:
Uncle Samuel wrote:
On 14 Aug 2003 00:47:28 -0000, Jiggs McManus <anon@cheshire.dyndns.dk>
wrote:
(They attempt to desTroy freedom, the ACLU patches things up.)
DENVER -- The American Civil Liberties Union filed a federal lawsuit
Tuesday seeking to throw out a new Colorado law requiring teachers and
students to say the Pledge of Allegiance.
Well now, we can't have any patriotism creeping into the muddled pool
of screwed up liberal moronic daily life can we?
You jerk.
Sam, would you be down with changing the words of the Pledge to "One
nation under Al'lah?"
Do you think any Islamic freaks founded this nation?
I don't think
We know ...
so.
You're stupid ...?
Bite off.
Bite this
Bit it yerself you America-hating crank.
Islamic freaks did NOT found America - nuff said!
Nor did Babble Thumping christian perverts ...
No, it was founded by masons...go figger...
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17 Aug 2003 10:21:02 AM |
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"Uncle Samuel" <stars@bars> wrote in message
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On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:31:54 -0600, "=> Vox Populi ©" <vox@popu.li>
wrote:
"Uncle Samuel" <stars@bars> wrote in message
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On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:17:39 -0600, "=> Vox Populi ©" <vox@popu.li>
wrote:
"Uncle Samuel" <stars@bars> wrote in message
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On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:56:17 GMT, Ken Smith <Ranger57@concentric.net>
wrote:
Uncle Samuel wrote:
On 14 Aug 2003 00:47:28 -0000, Jiggs McManus
<anon@cheshire.dyndns.dk>
wrote:
(They attempt to desTroy freedom, the ACLU patches things up.)
DENVER -- The American Civil Liberties Union filed a federal lawsuit
Tuesday seeking to throw out a new Colorado law requiring teachers
and
students to say the Pledge of Allegiance.
Well now, we can't have any patriotism creeping into the muddled
pool
of screwed up liberal moronic daily life can we?
You jerk.
Sam, would you be down with changing the words of the Pledge to "One
nation under Al'lah?"
Do you think any Islamic freaks founded this nation?
I don't think
We know ...
so.
You're stupid ...?
Bite off.
Bite this
Bit it yerself you America-hating crank.
Islamic freaks did NOT found America - nuff said!
Nor did Babble Thumping christian perverts ...
No, it was founded by masons...go figger...
And carpenters and blacksmiths and millwrights ... and whores
and liars and murderers and thieves ...
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17 Aug 2003 03:59:25 PM |
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On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 09:21:02 -0600, "=> Vox Populi ©" <vox@popu.li>
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"Uncle Samuel" <stars@bars> wrote in message
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On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:31:54 -0600, "=> Vox Populi ©" <vox@popu.li>
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"Uncle Samuel" <stars@bars> wrote in message
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On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:17:39 -0600, "=> Vox Populi ©" <vox@popu.li>
wrote:
"Uncle Samuel" <stars@bars> wrote in message
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On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:56:17 GMT, Ken Smith <Ranger57@concentric.net>
wrote:
Uncle Samuel wrote:
On 14 Aug 2003 00:47:28 -0000, Jiggs McManus
<anon@cheshire.dyndns.dk>
wrote:
(They attempt to desTroy freedom, the ACLU patches things up.)
DENVER -- The American Civil Liberties Union filed a federal lawsuit
Tuesday seeking to throw out a new Colorado law requiring teachers
and
students to say the Pledge of Allegiance.
Well now, we can't have any patriotism creeping into the muddled
pool
of screwed up liberal moronic daily life can we?
You jerk.
Sam, would you be down with changing the words of the Pledge to "One
nation under Al'lah?"
Do you think any Islamic freaks founded this nation?
I don't think
We know ...
so.
You're stupid ...?
Bite off.
Bite this
Bit it yerself you America-hating crank.
Islamic freaks did NOT found America - nuff said!
Nor did Babble Thumping christian perverts ...
No, it was founded by masons...go figger...
And carpenters and blacksmiths and millwrights ... and whores
and liars and murderers and thieves ...
Those were the first residents, not the founding fathers.
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15 Aug 2003 11:16:38 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:25:31 -0600, Uncle Samuel <stars@bars> posted
in alt.atheism:
Islamic freaks did NOT found America - nuff said!
Neither did Christians. Deists did. Deists who thought that
religion, and Christianity in particular, was the worst thing to ever
befall mankind.
--
"Every sensible man, every honest man, must hold the christian sect in horror. 'But what
shall we substitute in its place?' you say. What? A ferocious animal has sucked the
blood of my relatives. I tell you to rid yourselves of this beast and you ask me what
you shall put in its place?" - Voltaire
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Theodore A. Kaldis" |
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16 Aug 2003 12:32:15 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
Uncle Samuel wrote:
Islamic freaks did NOT found America - nuff said!
Neither did Christians.
BBBZZZZZZZZZTTTTT!!! Wrong!
Deists did.
Revisionism.
Deists who thought that religion, and Christianity in particular, was the
worst thing to ever befall mankind.
Anyone who says that is a bald-faced liar. Especially in the face of what
islam is, both historically and today.
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Theodore A. Kaldis
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"Theodore A. Kaldis" <kaldis@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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Al Klein wrote:
Uncle Samuel wrote:
Islamic freaks did NOT found America - nuff said!
Neither did Christians.
BBBZZZZZZZZZTTTTT!!! Wrong!
You're lying again Ted.
Why are you such a pathological lying piece of *****?
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16 Aug 2003 04:52:57 PM |
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On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 11:39:48 -0600, "=> Vox Populi ©" <vox@popu.li>
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"Theodore A. Kaldis" <kaldis@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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Al Klein wrote:
Uncle Samuel wrote:
Islamic freaks did NOT found America - nuff said!
Neither did Christians.
BBBZZZZZZZZZTTTTT!!! Wrong!
You're lying again Ted.
Mebbe masons scare him...
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17 Aug 2003 10:22:32 AM |
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"Uncle Samuel" <stars@bars> wrote in message
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On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 11:39:48 -0600, "=> Vox Populi ©" <vox@popu.li>
wrote:
"Theodore A. Kaldis" <kaldis@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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Al Klein wrote:
Uncle Samuel wrote:
Islamic freaks did NOT found America - nuff said!
Neither did Christians.
BBBZZZZZZZZZTTTTT!!! Wrong!
You're lying again Ted.
Mebbe masons scare him...
Maybe you're just pathologically terrified of the unknown ....
which is you case is quite a lot ...
--
"Man is a Religious Animal.
He is the only Religious Animal.
He is the only animal that has
the True Religion- several of them.
He is the only animal that loves his neighbor as himself
and cuts his throat if his theology isn't straight."
- Mark Twain
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17 Aug 2003 03:59:29 PM |
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On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 09:22:32 -0600, "=> Vox Populi ©" <vox@popu.li>
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"Uncle Samuel" <stars@bars> wrote in message
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On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 11:39:48 -0600, "=> Vox Populi ©" <vox@popu.li>
wrote:
"Theodore A. Kaldis" <kaldis@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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Al Klein wrote:
Uncle Samuel wrote:
Islamic freaks did NOT found America - nuff said!
Neither did Christians.
BBBZZZZZZZZZTTTTT!!! Wrong!
You're lying again Ted.
Mebbe masons scare him...
Maybe you're just pathologically terrified of the unknown ....
Hardly.
which is you case is quite a lot ...
is you kidding?
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18 Aug 2003 10:14:31 AM |
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"Uncle Samuel" <stars@bars> wrote in message
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On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 09:22:32 -0600, "=> Vox Populi ©" <vox@popu.li>
wrote:
"Uncle Samuel" <stars@bars> wrote in message
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On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 11:39:48 -0600, "=> Vox Populi ©" <vox@popu.li>
wrote:
"Theodore A. Kaldis" <kaldis@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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Al Klein wrote:
Uncle Samuel wrote:
Islamic freaks did NOT found America - nuff said!
Neither did Christians.
BBBZZZZZZZZZTTTTT!!! Wrong!
You're lying again Ted.
Mebbe masons scare him...
Maybe you're just pathologically terrified of the unknown ....
Hardly.
which is you case is quite a lot ...
is you kidding?
I be serious as a heart attack ...
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18 Aug 2003 01:02:48 PM |
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On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:14:31 -0600, "=> Vox Populi ©" <vox@popu.li>
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"Uncle Samuel" <stars@bars> wrote in message
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On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 09:22:32 -0600, "=> Vox Populi ©" <vox@popu.li>
wrote:
"Uncle Samuel" <stars@bars> wrote in message
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On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 11:39:48 -0600, "=> Vox Populi ©" <vox@popu.li>
wrote:
"Theodore A. Kaldis" <kaldis@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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Al Klein wrote:
Uncle Samuel wrote:
Islamic freaks did NOT found America - nuff said!
Neither did Christians.
BBBZZZZZZZZZTTTTT!!! Wrong!
You're lying again Ted.
Mebbe masons scare him...
Maybe you're just pathologically terrified of the unknown ....
Hardly.
which is you case is quite a lot ...
is you kidding?
I be serious as a heart attack ...
Well pickle my ham hocks and dip me in sorghum!
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16 Aug 2003 09:09:12 PM |
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On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 04:16:38 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:25:31 -0600, Uncle Samuel <stars@bars> posted
in alt.atheism:
Islamic freaks did NOT found America - nuff said!
Neither did Christians.
Let alone Christian freaks! :)
David Dvorkin
david@dvorkin.com
PIT PLANET: http://www.dvorkin.com/pitplan
DAWN CRESCENT: http://www.dvorkin.com/dawncresc
BUSINESS SECRETS FROM THE STARS: http://www.dvorkin.com/bizstars
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16 Aug 2003 08:49:13 PM |
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On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 15:52:54 -0600, Uncle Samuel <stars@bars> posted
in alt.atheism:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 04:16:38 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:25:31 -0600, Uncle Samuel <stars@bars> posted
in alt.atheism:
Islamic freaks did NOT found America - nuff said!
Neither did Christians. Deists did. Deists who thought that
religion, and Christianity in particular, was the worst thing to ever
befall mankind.
Call a spade a spade, they were Masons ya moron!
So why did Franklin call himself a Deist?
Oh! Because what you said has nothing to do with what I said.
--
"The doctrine that the earth is neither the center of the universe nor immovable, but
moves even with a daily rotation, is absurd, and both philosophically and theologically
false, and at the least an error of faith."
- Catholic Church's decision against Galileo Galilei
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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17 Aug 2003 12:46:26 AM |
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"Uncle Samuel" <stars@bars> wrote in message
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On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 01:49:13 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 15:52:54 -0600, Uncle Samuel <stars@bars> posted
in alt.atheism:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 04:16:38 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:25:31 -0600, Uncle Samuel <stars@bars> posted
in alt.atheism:
Islamic freaks did NOT found America - nuff said!
Neither did Christians. Deists did. Deists who thought that
religion, and Christianity in particular, was the worst thing to ever
befall mankind.
Call a spade a spade, they were Masons ya moron!
So why did Franklin call himself a Deist?
DOH, so why did Al not inhale?
MORON!
And why was Mary land called Mary land?
IMHO every religion believes THEY could best rule all the rest of us.
AND in my POV every religion is so full of ***** when they start deciding WHO
is most worthy I want to puke.
Leave us (USA) to our original SECULAR foundations and we all stand a chance
a Life, Liberty and the PURSUIT of Happiness.
BTW, we could stand a little humility from our Chief Excutive. One who
commands POWER and uses it least carries far more respect than one who
flaunts it with pre-emtive strikes at 100 pound weaklings.
We once may have been hated out of jealousy, now we are being hated for
being the BULLY of the world.
Even faking a little humility will go a long way to keeping an alliance of
some folks that we NEED believe it or not.
Max
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17 Aug 2003 10:30:35 AM |
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"aka MAX" <suenarsh@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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"Uncle Samuel" <stars@bars> wrote in message
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On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 01:49:13 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 15:52:54 -0600, Uncle Samuel <stars@bars> posted
in alt.atheism:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 04:16:38 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:25:31 -0600, Uncle Samuel <stars@bars> posted
in alt.atheism:
Islamic freaks did NOT found America - nuff said!
Neither did Christians. Deists did. Deists who thought that
religion, and Christianity in particular, was the worst thing to ever
befall mankind.
Call a spade a spade, they were Masons ya moron!
So why did Franklin call himself a Deist?
DOH, so why did Al not inhale?
MORON!
And why was Mary land called Mary land?
Because "worthless commonwealth just south of Penn's Woods"
didn't fit on a coin ....?
IMHO every religion believes THEY could best rule all the rest of us.
Quite, and the inhereant and grotesque problem with allowing or tolerating
any superstitious nonsense.
AND in my POV every religion is so full of ***** when they start deciding WHO
is most worthy I want to puke.
Or kill ...their firstborn ...
Leave us (USA) to our original SECULAR foundations and we all stand a chance
a Life, Liberty and the PURSUIT of Happiness.
Not as long as the First Amendemtn reamins intact (one of the Founding Father's
biggest
mistakes), superstition and quackery (religion) needs to be condemned and
discouraged
in it's entirety, at every instance, for there to be chance at evading societal
de-evolution.
BTW, we could stand a little humility from our Chief Excutive. One who
commands POWER and uses it least carries far more respect than one who
flaunts it with pre-emtive strikes at 100 pound weaklings.
***** him, he's a amoral criminal fascist *****, and deserves what all of his ilk
eventually get.
We once may have been hated out of jealousy, now we are being hated for
being the BULLY of the world.
Thank's to the Criminal Bu$h Mob ... and the ignorant terrified U$ populace.
Even faking a little humility will go a long way to keeping an alliance of
some folks that we NEED believe it or not.
The U$$A won't receive, nor deserves, their alliance.
Max
--
Proof the U$$A is the "greatest" nation on earth:
Prisoners (per 1,000 people)
United States 4.2
United Kingdom 1.0
Germany 0.8
France 0.8
Austria 0.8
Spain 0.8
Switzerland 0.7
Denmark 0.7
Belgium 0.7
Italy 0.6
Sweden 0.6
Japan 0.4
Netherlands 0.4
Annual reports of police brutality (per 100,000 people)
United States 92.5
United Kingdom 6.0
France 0.7
Death row inmates
United States 2,124
Japan 38
All others 0
Murder rate (per 100,000 people)
United States 8.40
Canada 5.45
Denmark 5.17
France 4.60
Portugal 4.50
Australia 4.48
Germany 4.20
Belgium 2.80
Spain 2.28
Switzerland 2.25
Italy 2.18
Norway 1.99
United Kingdom 1.97
Austria 1.80
Greece 1.76
Sweden 1.73
Japan 1.20
Ireland 0.96
Finland 0.70
Murder rate for males age 15-24 (per 100,000 people)
United States 24.4
Canada 2.6
Sweden 2.3
Norway 2.3
Finland 2.3
Denmark 2.2
United Kingdom 2.0
Netherlands 1.2
Germany 0.9
Japan 0.5
Rape (per 100,000 people)
United States 37.20
Sweden 15.70
Denmark 11.23
Germany 8.60
Norway 7.87
United Kingdom 7.26
Finland 7.20
France 6.77
Switzerland 6.15
Luxembourg 5.00
Spain 4.43
Austria 4.40
Belgium 4.00
Greece 2.40
Ireland 1.72
Japan 1.40
Portugal 1.20
Armed robbery (per 100,000 people)
United States 221
Canada 94
France 90
Belgium 66
United Kingdom 63
Italy 50
Sweden 49
Germany 47
Ireland 46
Denmark 44
Finland 38
Switzerland 23
Norway 22
Greece 7
Japan 1
TYPE OF OFFENSE (Sentenced Pop. Only) - Federal Prisoners
Drug Offenses 59.6%
Robbery 9.8%
Property Offenses 5.5%
Extortion, Fraud, Bribery 6.8%
Violent Offenses 2.7%
Firearms, Explosives, Arson 8.6%
White Collar 1.0%
Immigration 2.8%
Courts or Corrections 0.8%
National Security 0.1%
Continuing Criminal Enterprise 0.8%
Miscellaneous 1.5%
THE INTERNATIONAL EVIDENCE
The U.S. is the most violent society in the industrialized world, and probably
the entire world as well. Although it doesn't have the most police per capita,
the U.S. does have the toughest laws and punishments by far. The question of
which came first, the chicken or the egg, is becoming much less relevant as time
passes; the U.S. has been following this "get tough" approach for decades, with
no significant reduction of its violent crime rate.
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17 Aug 2003 03:59:37 PM |
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On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 09:30:35 -0600, "=> Vox Populi ©" <vox@popu.li>
wrote:
"aka MAX" <suenarsh@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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"Uncle Samuel" <stars@bars> wrote in message
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On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 01:49:13 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 15:52:54 -0600, Uncle Samuel <stars@bars> posted
in alt.atheism:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 04:16:38 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:25:31 -0600, Uncle Samuel <stars@bars> posted
in alt.atheism:
Islamic freaks did NOT found America - nuff said!
Neither did Christians. Deists did. Deists who thought that
religion, and Christianity in particular, was the worst thing to ever
befall mankind.
Call a spade a spade, they were Masons ya moron!
So why did Franklin call himself a Deist?
DOH, so why did Al not inhale?
MORON!
And why was Mary land called Mary land?
Because "worthless commonwealth just south of Penn's Woods"
didn't fit on a coin ....?
rotflol
IMHO every religion believes THEY could best rule all the rest of us.
Quite, and the inhereant and grotesque problem with allowing or tolerating
any superstitious nonsense.
Crap, tolerance is a virtue.
AND in my POV every religion is so full of ***** when they start deciding WHO
is most worthy I want to puke.
Or kill ...their firstborn ...
Disproportionate response.
Leave us (USA) to our original SECULAR foundations and we all stand a chance
a Life, Liberty and the PURSUIT of Happiness.
Not as long as the First Amendemtn reamins intact (one of the Founding Father's
biggest
mistakes), superstition and quackery (religion) needs to be condemned and
discouraged
in it's entirety, at every instance, for there to be chance at evading societal
de-evolution.
Nah, it still has moral value.
BTW, we could stand a little humility from our Chief Excutive. One who
commands POWER and uses it least carries far more respect than one who
flaunts it with pre-emtive strikes at 100 pound weaklings.
***** him, he's a amoral criminal fascist *****, and deserves what all of his ilk
eventually get.
Libel again?
We once may have been hated out of jealousy, now we are being hated for
being the BULLY of the world.
Thank's to the Criminal Bu$h Mob ... and the ignorant terrified U$ populace.
More libel.
Even faking a little humility will go a long way to keeping an alliance of
some folks that we NEED believe it or not.
The U$$A won't receive, nor deserves, their alliance.
Sadly they already own us, have for some time.
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18 Aug 2003 10:18:46 AM |
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"Uncle Samuel" <stars@bars> wrote in message
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On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 09:30:35 -0600, "=> Vox Populi ©" <vox@popu.li>
wrote:
"aka MAX" <suenarsh@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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"Uncle Samuel" <stars@bars> wrote in message
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On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 01:49:13 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 15:52:54 -0600, Uncle Samuel <stars@bars> posted
in alt.atheism:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 04:16:38 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:25:31 -0600, Uncle Samuel <stars@bars> posted
in alt.atheism:
Islamic freaks did NOT found America - nuff said!
Neither did Christians. Deists did. Deists who thought that
religion, and Christianity in particular, was the worst thing to ever
befall mankind.
Call a spade a spade, they were Masons ya moron!
So why did Franklin call himself a Deist?
DOH, so why did Al not inhale?
MORON!
And why was Mary land called Mary land?
Because "worthless commonwealth just south of Penn's Woods"
didn't fit on a coin ....?
rotflol
IMHO every religion believes THEY could best rule all the rest of us.
Quite, and the inhereant and grotesque problem with allowing or tolerating
any superstitious nonsense.
Crap, tolerance is a virtue.
Cute sound bite ... and complete *****.
Should anyone tolerate Hitler, Stalin, Amin ?
AND in my POV every religion is so full of ***** when they start deciding
WHO
is most worthy I want to puke.
Or kill ...their firstborn ...
Disproportionate response.
Not according to your Holy Babble ...
Leave us (USA) to our original SECULAR foundations and we all stand a
chance
a Life, Liberty and the PURSUIT of Happiness.
Not as long as the First Amendemtn remains intact (one of the Founding
Father's
biggest
mistakes), superstition and quackery (religion) needs to be condemned and
discouraged
in it's entirety, at every instance, for there to be chance at evading
societal
de-evolution.
Nah, it still has moral value.
More inane *****. There is no value in tolerating superstitions and
mental illness to the detriment of society/others.
BTW, we could stand a little humility from our Chief Excutive. One who
commands POWER and uses it least carries far more respect than one who
flaunts it with pre-emtive strikes at 100 pound weaklings.
***** him, he's a amoral criminal fascist *****, and deserves what all of his
ilk
eventually get.
Libel again?
It's got to be false to be libel numbnuts.
We once may have been hated out of jealousy, now we are being hated for
being the BULLY of the world.
Thank's to the Criminal Bu$h Mob ... and the ignorant terrified U$ populace.
More libel.
Ibid.
Even faking a little humility will go a long way to keeping an alliance of
some folks that we NEED believe it or not.
The U$$A won't receive, nor deserves, their alliance.
Sadly they already own us, have for some time.
Still no reason to cower and hide behind your ignorance, fear and
superstition ...
--
"This would be the best of all possible worlds,
if there were no religions in it."
- John Adams
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18 Aug 2003 01:02:57 PM |
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On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:18:46 -0600, "=> Vox Populi ©" <vox@popu.li>
wrote:
"Uncle Samuel" <stars@bars> wrote in message
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On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 09:30:35 -0600, "=> Vox Populi ©" <vox@popu.li>
wrote:
"aka MAX" <suenarsh@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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"Uncle Samuel" <stars@bars> wrote in message
news:eu1ujvk0b571oq516nvl7r534ptrshfu12@4ax.com...
On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 01:49:13 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 15:52:54 -0600, Uncle Samuel <stars@bars> posted
in alt.atheism:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 04:16:38 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:25:31 -0600, Uncle Samuel <stars@bars> posted
in alt.atheism:
Islamic freaks did NOT found America - nuff said!
Neither did Christians. Deists did. Deists who thought that
religion, and Christianity in particular, was the worst thing to ever
befall mankind.
Call a spade a spade, they were Masons ya moron!
So why did Franklin call himself a Deist?
DOH, so why did Al not inhale?
MORON!
And why was Mary land called Mary land?
Because "worthless commonwealth just south of Penn's Woods"
didn't fit on a coin ....?
rotflol
IMHO every religion believes THEY could best rule all the rest of us.
Quite, and the inhereant and grotesque problem with allowing or tolerating
any superstitious nonsense.
Crap, tolerance is a virtue.
Cute sound bite ... and complete *****.
Not really.
Should anyone tolerate Hitler, Stalin, Amin ?
Did I say it was to be extended to criminals?
AND in my POV every religion is so full of ***** when they start deciding
WHO
is most worthy I want to puke.
Or kill ...their firstborn ...
Disproportionate response.
Not according to your Holy Babble ...
You mean the customs of the day, doncha?
Leave us (USA) to our original SECULAR foundations and we all stand a
chance
a Life, Liberty and the PURSUIT of Happiness.
Not as long as the First Amendemtn remains intact (one of the Founding
Father's
biggest
mistakes), superstition and quackery (religion) needs to be condemned and
discouraged
in it's entirety, at every instance, for there to be chance at evading
societal
de-evolution.
Nah, it still has moral value.
More inane *****. There is no value in tolerating superstitions and
mental illness to the detriment of society/others.
The basic premises have value, don't git hung on semantics and ancient
history.
BTW, we could stand a little humility from our Chief Excutive. One who
commands POWER and uses it least carries far more respect than one who
flaunts it with pre-emtive strikes at 100 pound weaklings.
***** him, he's a amoral criminal fascist *****, and deserves what all of his
ilk
eventually get.
Libel again?
It's got to be false to be libel numbnuts.
So he's a criminal eh?
Proof please!
We once may have been hated out of jealousy, now we are being hated for
being the BULLY of the world.
Thank's to the Criminal Bu$h Mob ... and the ignorant terrified U$ populace.
More libel.
Ibid.
Proof please!
Even faking a little humility will go a long way to keeping an alliance of
some folks that we NEED believe it or not.
The U$$A won't receive, nor deserves, their alliance.
Sadly they already own us, have for some time.
Still no reason to cower and hide behind your ignorance, fear and
superstition ...
Who's hiding, I just think the base teachings have some value. YMMV.
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18 Aug 2003 01:46:30 PM |
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"Uncle Samuel" <stars@bars> wrote in message
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On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:18:46 -0600, "=> Vox Populi ©" <vox@popu.li>
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"Uncle Samuel" <stars@bars> wrote in message
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"Uncle Samuel" <stars@bars> wrote in message
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On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 01:49:13 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
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On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 15:52:54 -0600, Uncle Samuel <stars@bars> posted
in alt.atheism:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 04:16:38 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:25:31 -0600, Uncle Samuel <stars@bars>
posted
in alt.atheism:
Islamic freaks did NOT found America - nuff said!
Neither did Christians. Deists did. Deists who thought that
religion, and Christianity in particular, was the worst thing to
ever
befall mankind.
Call a spade a spade, they were Masons ya moron!
So why did Franklin call himself a Deist?
DOH, so why did Al not inhale?
MORON!
And why was Mary land called Mary land?
Because "worthless commonwealth just south of Penn's Woods"
didn't fit on a coin ....?
rotflol
IMHO every religion believes THEY could best rule all the rest of us.
Quite, and the inhereant and grotesque problem with allowing or tolerating
any superstitious nonsense.
Crap, tolerance is a virtue.
Cute sound bite ... and complete *****.
Not really.
Totally!
Should anyone tolerate Hitler, Stalin, Amin ?
Did I say it was to be extended to criminals?
Since when are virtues limited to application?
So it's ok to lie to a liar?
Steal from a thief?
Bugger a buggerer?
Kill a killer ...a killer ... a killer .... (oops, feedback loop)
AND in my POV every religion is so full of ***** when they start deciding
WHO
is most worthy I want to puke.
Or kill ...their firstborn ...
Disproportionate response.
Not according to your Holy Babble ...
You mean the customs of the day, doncha?
Monday?
Leave us (USA) to our original SECULAR foundations and we all stand a
chance
a Life, Liberty and the PURSUIT of Happiness.
Not as long as the First Amendemtn remains intact (one of the Founding
Father's
biggest
mistakes), superstition and quackery (religion) needs to be condemned and
discouraged
in it's entirety, at every instance, for there to be chance at evading
societal
de-evolution.
Nah, it still has moral value.
More inane *****. There is no value in tolerating superstitions and
mental illness to the detriment of society/others.
The basic premises have value, don't git hung on semantics and ancient
history.
My pungent turds have value ... the question is to whom?
BTW, we could stand a little humility from our Chief Excutive. One who
commands POWER and uses it least carries far more respect than one who
flaunts it with pre-emtive strikes at 100 pound weaklings.
***** him, he's a amoral criminal fascist *****, and deserves what all of
his
ilk
eventually get.
Libel again?
It's got to be false to be libel numbnuts.
So he's a criminal eh?
Proof please!
His own words, he confessed to using cocaine for one thing, and
he was DUI at least once that we know of ...
We once may have been hated out of jealousy, now we are being hated for
being the BULLY of the world.
Thank's to the Criminal Bu$h Mob ... and the ignorant terrified U$
populace.
More libel.
Ibid.
Proof please!
Ibid.
Even faking a little humility will go a long way to keeping an alliance
of
some folks that we NEED believe it or not.
The U$$A won't receive, nor deserves, their alliance.
Sadly they already own us, have for some time.
Still no reason to cower and hide behind your ignorance, fear and
superstition ...
Who's hiding, I just think the base teachings have some value. YMMV.
What value is there in lies, deception, fear, racism, sexism, exploitation,
rape,
torture, murder, killing and the superstition(s) that promote the same?
Unless you are speaking from the point of view of those promoting the
myths/superstitions as a devise to control and manipulate large populaces ...
--
"Imagine the people who believe such things
and who are not ashamed to ignore, totally,
all the patient findings of thinking minds through
all the centuries since the Bible was written.
And it is these ignorant people, the most uneducated,
the most unimaginative, the most unthinking among us,
who would make themselves the guides and leaders of
us all; who would force their feeble and childish beliefs
on us; who would invade our schools and libraries and
homes. I personally resent it bitterly..."
-- Isaac Asimov,
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On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 12:46:30 -0600, "=> Vox Populi ©" <vox@popu.li>
posted in alt.atheism:
"Uncle Samuel" <stars@bars> wrote in message
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On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:18:46 -0600, "=> Vox Populi ©" <vox@popu.li>
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Libel again?
It's got to be false to be libel numbnuts.
So he's a criminal eh?
Proof please!
His own words, he confessed to using cocaine for one thing, and
he was DUI at least once that we know of ...
And being AWOL is a crime. For 30 years! I guess once he got into
office he excused himself.
--
"To surrender to ignorance and call it God has always been premature, and it remains
premature today."
- Isaac Asimov
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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19 Aug 2003 04:56:18 AM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 12:46:30 -0600, "=> Vox Populi ©" <vox@popu.li>
posted in alt.atheism:
"Uncle Samuel" <stars@bars> wrote in message
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On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:18:46 -0600, "=> Vox Populi ©" <vox@popu.li>
wrote:
Libel again?
It's got to be false to be libel numbnuts.
So he's a criminal eh?
Proof please!
His own words, he confessed to using cocaine for one thing, and
he was DUI at least once that we know of ...
And being AWOL is a crime. For 30 years! I guess once he got into
office he excused himself.
--
"To surrender to ignorance and call it God has always been premature, and
it remains
premature today."
- Isaac Asimov
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy,
education and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man
would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of
punishment and hope of reward after death."
-Albert Einstein
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19 Aug 2003 08:40:32 AM |
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Al Klein wrote:
[re: George W. Bush]
And being AWOL is a crime.
Except that he really wasn't AWOL. He traded some time in the Texas National
Guard with some later service with the Alabama National Guard. Completely
within the rules. But due to some clerical error or something, he was
mistakenly listed as AWOL from the TNG. It all got sorted out later. But
the left, of course, isn't interested in any of that. All they're interested
in is in tarnishing him. And (like atheists) they're not above stretching
the truth to acheive their ends.
--
Theodore A. Kaldis
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19 Aug 2003 10:05:47 PM |
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 06:40:32 -0700, "Theodore A. Kaldis"
<kaldis@worldnet.att.net> posted in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
[re: George W. Bush]
And being AWOL is a crime.
Except that he really wasn't AWOL. He traded some time in the Texas National
Guard with some later service with the Alabama National Guard.
1) without permission of any kind. In fact, he was told that he
categorically COULD NOT do his service in that unit.
2) he never served in Alabama, not one day.
Completely within the rules.
If your father was GHW Bush, maybe. You or I would have served time.
Well, I would have. Odds are that you never served.
But due to some clerical error or something, he was
mistakenly listed as AWOL from the TNG. It all got sorted out later.
Never, but neocons like that lie.
--
"A stupid man's report of what a clever man says is never accurate because he
unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand."
-- Bertrand Russell.
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20 Aug 2003 07:37:09 AM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 06:40:32 -0700, "Theodore A. Kaldis"
<kaldis@worldnet.att.net> posted in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
[re: George W. Bush]
And being AWOL is a crime.
Except that he really wasn't AWOL. He traded some time in the Texas National
Guard with some later service with the Alabama National Guard.
1) without permission of any kind. In fact, he was told that he
categorically COULD NOT do his service in that unit.
2) he never served in Alabama, not one day.
Completely within the rules.
If your father was GHW Bush, maybe. You or I would have served time.
Well, I would have. Odds are that you never served.
Ted's admitted that he hasn't.
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20 Aug 2003 09:59:28 PM |
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On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 06:32:05 -0700, "Theodore A. Kaldis"
<kaldis@worldnet.att.net> posted in alt.atheism:
I've already said before that when I was of age
blah, blah.
Short version, coward, is that you let others do your fighting for
you.
--
"We should do unto others as we would want them to do unto us. If I were an unborn
fetus I would want others to use force to protect me, therefore using force against
abortionists is *justifiable homocide*."
- "Pro-Life" doctor killer Paul Hill
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rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Uncle Samuel stars@bars" |
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19 Aug 2003 12:19:53 PM |
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 04:20:44 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 12:46:30 -0600, "=> Vox Populi ©" <vox@popu.li>
posted in alt.atheism:
"Uncle Samuel" <stars@bars> wrote in message
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On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:18:46 -0600, "=> Vox Populi ©" <vox@popu.li>
wrote:
Libel again?
It's got to be false to be libel numbnuts.
So he's a criminal eh?
Proof please!
His own words, he confessed to using cocaine for one thing, and
he was DUI at least once that we know of ...
And being AWOL is a crime. For 30 years! I guess once he got into
office he excused himself.
Was he convicted?
No.
End of story.
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19 Aug 2003 03:12:30 PM |
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"Uncle Samuel" <stars@bars> wrote in message
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 04:20:44 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 12:46:30 -0600, "=> Vox Populi ©" <vox@popu.li>
posted in alt.atheism:
"Uncle Samuel" <stars@bars> wrote in message
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On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:18:46 -0600, "=> Vox Populi ©" <vox@popu.li>
wrote:
Libel again?
It's got to be false to be libel numbnuts.
So he's a criminal eh?
Proof please!
His own words, he confessed to using cocaine for one thing, and
he was DUI at least once that we know of ...
And being AWOL is a crime. For 30 years! I guess once he got into
office he excused himself.
Was he convicted?
No.
End of story.
Was Saddam convicted? Was Osamma convicted? Was Hitler convicted? Was Stalin
convicted?
No?
End of story, numbnuts.
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19 Aug 2003 03:31:48 PM |
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:12:30 -0600, "=> Vox Populi ©" <vox@popu.li>
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"Uncle Samuel" <stars@bars> wrote in message
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 04:20:44 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 12:46:30 -0600, "=> Vox Populi ©" <vox@popu.li>
posted in alt.atheism:
"Uncle Samuel" <stars@bars> wrote in message
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