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16 Feb 2006 06:06:26 PM |
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Re: Freedom To Worship `~ |
In article <R7ydnUpsJLV4jWjenZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@centurytel.net>,
Honest John <honestjohn@centurytel.net> wrote:
It was the same demon that is telling you to act stupid !!
If you are going to throw insults as your debating technique,
please do try to find some that are a bit more entertaining. So
far all you've done is play the fool and that gets boring quite
quickly.
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16 Feb 2006 06:20:50 PM |
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<Hellis@no.spam> wrote in message
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In article <R7ydnUpsJLV4jWjenZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@centurytel.net>,
Honest John <honestjohn@centurytel.net> wrote:
It was the same demon that is telling you to act stupid !!
If you are going to throw insults as your debating technique,
please do try to find some that are a bit more entertaining. So
far all you've done is play the fool and that gets boring quite
quickly.
You're condemning yourself!
HJ
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16 Feb 2006 07:47:40 PM |
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In article <DL-dnfHlNPNIimjeRVn-tg@centurytel.net>,
Honest John <honestjohn@centurytel.net> wrote:
You're condemning yourself!
You're in league with Satan, kook.
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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16 Feb 2006 10:32:23 PM |
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() writes:
In article <DL-dnfHlNPNIimjeRVn-tg@centurytel.net>,
Honest John <honestjohn@centurytel.net> wrote:
You're condemning yourself!
You're in league with Satan, kook.
Honest John, in the NHL with Satan? You've got to be kidding...
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 6, Cleveland 4 (February 15)
NEXT GAME: Friday, February 17 at Iowa, 7:05
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| User: "Honest John" |
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16 Feb 2006 11:36:31 PM |
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"The Chief Idiot" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
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ellis@no.spam () writes:
In article <DL-dnfHlNPNIimjeRVn-tg@centurytel.net>,
Honest John <honestjohn@centurytel.net> wrote:
You're condemning yourself!
You're in league with Satan, kook.
Honest John, in the NHL with Satan? You've got to be kidding...
Read your Bible, Bubba.
HJ
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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17 Feb 2006 09:49:07 AM |
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"Honest John" <honestjohn@centurytel.net> writes:
"The Chief Idiot" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
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ellis@no.spam () writes:
In article <DL-dnfHlNPNIimjeRVn-tg@centurytel.net>,
Honest John <honestjohn@centurytel.net> wrote:
You're condemning yourself!
You're in league with Satan, kook.
Honest John, in the NHL with Satan? You've got to be kidding...
Read your Bible, Bubba.
Been there, done that. You're anything but factual, fake Christian.
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Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 6, Cleveland 4 (February 15)
NEXT GAME: Friday, February 17 at Iowa, 7:05
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| User: "Rodney Bowersox" |
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18 Feb 2006 12:33:14 PM |
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On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:36:31 -0600, "Honest John"
<honestjohn@centurytel.net> wrote:
Read your Bible, Bubba.
Which Bible would that be?
Latin Vulgate
Douay-Rheims Bible
King James Version
New King James Version
American Standard Version
New American Standard Bible
Third Millennium Bible
New Living Translation
New Revised Standard Version
Revised Standard Version
Today's English Version
New Century Version
God's Word Translation
World English Bible
The Bible in Basic English
The Darby Translation
The Webster Bible
Young's Literal Translation
Holman Christian Standard Bible
Wesley's New Testament
What about the Torah? The Quran?
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| User: "Feminazi Cuntkins" |
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17 Feb 2006 04:02:50 PM |
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On 16 Feb 2006 22:32:23 -0600, The Chief Instigator
<patrick@io.com>wrote:
ellis@no.spam () writes:
In article <DL-dnfHlNPNIimjeRVn-tg@centurytel.net>,
Honest John <honestjohn@centurytel.net> wrote:
You're condemning yourself!
You're in league with Satan, kook.
Honest John, in the NHL with Satan? You've got to be kidding...
Indeed, he talks to much for a hockey player.
Anyway, that Satan is SO CUTE, I feels all conflicted when I cheer!
FNC, Satan was a man with a stick in his hand...
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Poco, a menudo.
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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17 Feb 2006 07:48:40 PM |
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Feminazi Cuntkins <jaezaebael@gmail.com> writes:
On 16 Feb 2006 22:32:23 -0600, The Chief Instigator
<patrick@io.com>wrote:
ellis@no.spam () writes:
In article <DL-dnfHlNPNIimjeRVn-tg@centurytel.net>,
Honest John <honestjohn@centurytel.net> wrote:
You're condemning yourself!
You're in league with Satan, kook.
Honest John, in the NHL with Satan? You've got to be kidding...
Indeed, he talks to much for a hockey player.
That'd explain all the unsportsmanlike conduct penalties Dishonest John keeps
racking up.
Anyway, that Satan is SO CUTE, I feels all conflicted when I cheer!
FNC, Satan was a man with a stick in his hand...
and a sneaky one, at that - when he made it to the pros in Detroit (IHL) in
'94, he wouldn't wear a 6 or 16 on his sweater...no, he had to wear 59. ;-)
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Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 6, Cleveland 4 (February 15)
NEXT GAME: Friday, February 17 at Iowa, 7:05
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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17 Feb 2006 04:50:33 PM |
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Feminazi Cuntkins <jaezaebael@gmail.com> wrote:
On 16 Feb 2006 22:32:23 -0600, The Chief Instigator
<patrick@io.com>wrote:
ellis@no.spam () writes:
In article <DL-dnfHlNPNIimjeRVn-tg@centurytel.net>,
Honest John <honestjohn@centurytel.net> wrote:
You're condemning yourself!
You're in league with Satan, kook.
Honest John, in the NHL with Satan? You've got to be kidding...
Indeed, he talks to much for a hockey player.
He's the hockey puck, judging from the demonstrated intelligence
level.
lojbab
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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17 Feb 2006 07:50:21 PM |
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Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> writes:
Feminazi Cuntkins <jaezaebael@gmail.com> wrote:
On 16 Feb 2006 22:32:23 -0600, The Chief Instigator
<patrick@io.com>wrote:
ellis@no.spam () writes:
In article <DL-dnfHlNPNIimjeRVn-tg@centurytel.net>,
Honest John <honestjohn@centurytel.net> wrote:
You're condemning yourself!
You're in league with Satan, kook.
Honest John, in the NHL with Satan? You've got to be kidding...
Indeed, he talks to much for a hockey player.
He's the hockey puck, judging from the demonstrated intelligence
level.
....which is knocked over the side glass into the stands during the pre-game
skate.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 6, Cleveland 4 (February 15)
NEXT GAME: Friday, February 17 at Iowa, 7:05
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17 Feb 2006 05:28:52 PM |
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In article <mokcv15ojcapabaou5gm6kijf2av8s7oj5@4ax.com>,
Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
Feminazi Cuntkins <jaezaebael@gmail.com> wrote:
On 16 Feb 2006 22:32:23 -0600, The Chief Instigator
<patrick@io.com>wrote:
ellis@no.spam () writes:
In article <DL-dnfHlNPNIimjeRVn-tg@centurytel.net>,
Honest John <honestjohn@centurytel.net> wrote:
You're condemning yourself!
You're in league with Satan, kook.
Honest John, in the NHL with Satan? You've got to be kidding...
Indeed, he talks to much for a hockey player.
He's the hockey puck, judging from the demonstrated intelligence
level.
Why must you insult hockey pucks that way?
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| User: "Feminazi Cuntkins" |
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17 Feb 2006 06:40:49 PM |
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On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:28:52 -0000, ()wrote:
In article <mokcv15ojcapabaou5gm6kijf2av8s7oj5@4ax.com>,
Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
Feminazi Cuntkins <jaezaebael@gmail.com> wrote:
On 16 Feb 2006 22:32:23 -0600, The Chief Instigator
<patrick@io.com>wrote:
() writes:
In article <DL-dnfHlNPNIimjeRVn-tg@centurytel.net>,
Honest John <honestjohn@centurytel.net> wrote:
You're condemning yourself!
You're in league with Satan, kook.
Honest John, in the NHL with Satan? You've got to be kidding...
Indeed, he talks to much for a hockey player.
He's the hockey puck, judging from the demonstrated intelligence
level.
Why must you insult hockey pucks that way?
Bob made Baby Peter Puck cry with that comment, but he will be
punished.
FNC, the women's hockey team is going to pay for that sin...
--
Poco, a menudo.
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16 Feb 2006 08:22:50 PM |
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Hellis@my home wrote in message
news:1140140860.395630@localhost.localdomain...
In article <DL-dnfHlNPNIimjeRVn-tg@centurytel.net>,
Honest John <honestjohn@centurytel.net> wrote:
You're condemning yourself!
HJ
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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17 Feb 2006 10:56:03 AM |
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On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:22:50 -0600, Honest John wrote
(in article <PrKdnedErt3yqWjenZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@centurytel.net>):
Hellis@my home wrote in message
news:1140140860.395630@localhost.localdomain...
In article <DL-dnfHlNPNIimjeRVn-tg@centurytel.net>,
Honest John <honestjohn@centurytel.net> wrote:
You're condemning yourself!
HJ
And you're posting for Jesus under a falsie.
You don't want to risk inconvenience
for your faith, do you, asswipe?
Gray Shockley
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Vicksburg, MS US
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17 Feb 2006 11:05:15 AM |
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"Gray Thinker" <grayshockley@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:22:50 -0600, Honest John wrote
(in article <PrKdnedErt3yqWjenZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@centurytel.net>):
Hellis@my home wrote in message
news:1140140860.395630@localhost.localdomain...
In article <DL-dnfHlNPNIimjeRVn-tg@centurytel.net>,
Honest John <honestjohn@centurytel.net> wrote:
You're condemning yourself!
HJ
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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17 Feb 2006 10:53:32 AM |
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On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:22:50 -0600, Honest John wrote
(in article <PrKdnedErt3yqWjenZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@centurytel.net>):
Hellis@my home wrote in message
news:1140140860.395630@localhost.localdomain...
In article <DL-dnfHlNPNIimjeRVn-tg@centurytel.net>,
Honest John <honestjohn@centurytel.net> wrote:
You're condemning yourself!
HJ
With you around, he doesn't need to go to the effort.
Doesn't your alleged religion have something negative to
say about anonymous asswipes such as you and yourin?
Gray Shockley
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You who build these altars now
to sacrifice these children,
you must not do it anymore.
A scheme is not a vision
and you never have been tempted
by a demon or a god.
- Leonard Cohen
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17 Feb 2006 11:04:38 AM |
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"Gray Thinker" <grayshockley@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C01B5BAC0020AE0AF0284550@news.giganews.com...
On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:22:50 -0600, Honest John wrote
(in article <PrKdnedErt3yqWjenZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@centurytel.net>):
Hellis@my home wrote in message
news:1140140860.395630@localhost.localdomain...
In article <DL-dnfHlNPNIimjeRVn-tg@centurytel.net>,
Honest John <honestjohn@centurytel.net> wrote:
You're condemning yourself!
HJ
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16 Feb 2006 07:56:16 PM |
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On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 01:47:40 -0000, in alt.astrology,
() wrote:
In article <DL-dnfHlNPNIimjeRVn-tg@centurytel.net>,
Honest John <honestjohn@centurytel.net> wrote:
You're condemning yourself!
You're in league with Satan, kook.
he is a false witness,
servant of Satan...
an unrepentant Saulist.
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Ak'toh'di
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16 Feb 2006 08:23:36 PM |
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"Bob the Boob" <boobfficers@invalid.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 01:47:40 -0000, in alt.astrology,
() wrote:
In article <DL-dnfHlNPNIimjeRVn-tg@centurytel.net>,
Honest John <honestjohn@centurytel.net> wrote:
You're condemning yourself!
HJ
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| Title: Freedom To Worship Honest Porta-John Knight [was: something else] |
17 Feb 2006 11:00:56 AM |
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On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:23:36 -0600, Honest John wrote
(in article <HJCdnaRgtuwAqWjenZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@centurytel.net>):
"Bob the Boob" <boobfficers@invalid.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 01:47:40 -0000, in alt.astrology,
() wrote:
In article <DL-dnfHlNPNIimjeRVn-tg@centurytel.net>,
Honest John <honestjohn@centurytel.net> wrote:
You're condemning yourself!
HJ
Thank you, Jesus H Christ, Junior.
Or would that be Honest John and Tammy Faye?
Or would that be Honest John Swaggert?
Where you preachin', Elmer G?
Incidentally, the last time Cthulhu e-mailed me, IT told me to
remind everyone that IT was both correct and IT /was/ the lesser of
evils.
Contemplate Cthulhu/Dagon as a ///REFORM TICKET///!!!
I asked IT what IT would like to do with
George W C Bush43 and IT replied,
"Lunch".
++ gray
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17 Feb 2006 11:03:53 AM |
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"Gray Thinker" <grayshockley@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C01B5D68002115EEF0284550@news.giganews.com...
On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:23:36 -0600, Honest John wrote
(in article <HJCdnaRgtuwAqWjenZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@centurytel.net>):
"Bob the Boob" <boobfficers@invalid.net> wrote in message
news:v6bav1t68rlh4osttram8t6ravv30h7u00@4ax.com...
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 01:47:40 -0000, in alt.astrology,
() wrote:
In article <DL-dnfHlNPNIimjeRVn-tg@centurytel.net>,
Honest John <honestjohn@centurytel.net> wrote:
You're condemning yourself!
HJ
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| Title: Re: Freedom To Worship Honest Porta-John Knight [was: something else] |
17 Feb 2006 04:49:37 PM |
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"Honest John" <honestjohn@centurytel.net> wrote:
You're condemning yourself!
Why do you think anyone cares what your opinion is?
lojbab
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| Title: Re: Freedom To Worship Honest Porta-John Knight [was: something else] |
17 Feb 2006 05:37:08 PM |
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"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote in message
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"Honest John" <honestjohn@centurytel.net> wrote:
You're condemning yourself!
Why do you think anyone cares what your opinion is?
Well, I started out talking to just a couple of folks about theology, and a
bunch of Jackals jumped on me, and I bit back. If no one is interested in
what I have to say then they should stop attacking me and not address me
directly and I'll not talk to them, quite simple, really.
HJ
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17 Feb 2006 09:36:25 PM |
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In article <n9GdnXmIrLjZwmveRVn-ig@centurytel.net>,
Honest John <honestjohn@centurytel.net> showed himself
not to be much of a xtian with:
Well, I started out talking to just a couple of folks about theology, and a
bunch of Jackals jumped on me, and I bit back.
So once again we find you not following the teachings of
Jesus. What a shock.
(See Matthew 5:28, dumbass)
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17 Feb 2006 09:56:56 PM |
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Hellis@my home wrote in message
news:1140233784.792872@localhost.localdomain...
In article <n9GdnXmIrLjZwmveRVn-ig@centurytel.net>,
Honest John <honestjohn@centurytel.net> showed himself
not to be much of a xtian with:
Well, I started out talking to just a couple of folks about theology, and
a
bunch of Jackals jumped on me, and I bit back.
So once again we find you not following the teachings of
Jesus. What a shock.
Well, let's review:
First, God created and ideal world and put people in it. He gave them the
choice to build a relationship with Him or not. Those first people made a
mess of things.
Then humanity sort of started all over again. Noah and his family became
the only survivors of a worldwide flood. Noah's descendants had the same
choice, to build a relationship with God or not. Within a few generations,
things were a mess again.
God has remained intent on building a relationship with the people of the
world, though. He established a contractlike, covenant agreement with a man
named Abraham. Abraham promised to cherish and obey God and to teach his
family to do the same. God promised that out of those descendents would
come a Messiah, a man who would give His own life on the behalf of humanity.
That man was God in the form of a human. We Christians refer to him as
Jesus Christ.
Jesus lived and died and lived again. When He left our world, He left
behind the message that having a relationship with God requires faith in
Grace, rather than perfect living under the old Jewish laws. He left behind
a group of people who were supposed to keep this message going, of a New
Covenant whereby all people of the world can be saved by Grace through
faith.
Read and learn.
H.J.
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18 Feb 2006 12:01:24 AM |
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"Honest John" <honestjohn@centurytel.net> wrote:
Well, let's review:
First, God created and ideal world and put people in it. He gave them the
choice to build a relationship with Him or not. Those first people made a
mess of things.
If He created them in an "ideal world" then why couldn't He create
them well enough to NOT make a mess of things? And if He couldn't,
why didn't He have a plan already in place to solve the problem,
rather than letting things drag on until the Roman Empire?
Then humanity sort of started all over again. Noah and his family became
the only survivors of a worldwide flood. Noah's descendants had the same
choice, to build a relationship with God or not. Within a few generations,
things were a mess again.
God should have created better people the first time around?
lojbab
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| Title: Re: Freedom To Worship Honest Porta-John Knight |
18 Feb 2006 12:39:49 AM |
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"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote in message
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"Honest John" <honestjohn@centurytel.net> wrote:
Well, let's review:
First, God created and ideal world and put people in it. He gave them
the
choice to build a relationship with Him or not. Those first people made
a
mess of things.
If He created them in an "ideal world" then why couldn't He create
them well enough to NOT make a mess of things? And if He couldn't,
why didn't He have a plan already in place to solve the problem,
rather than letting things drag on until the Roman Empire?
Then humanity sort of started all over again. Noah and his family became
the only survivors of a worldwide flood. Noah's descendants had the same
choice, to build a relationship with God or not. Within a few
generations,
things were a mess again.
God should have created better people the first time around?
If God wanted robot zombies he would have created them, but he gave his
people free will and if they use that free will to love God back as he loves
them, then that is what he wants. God is Love
HJ
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| Title: Re: Freedom To Worship Honest Porta-John Knight |
20 Feb 2006 10:25:52 AM |
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"Honest John" <honestjohn@centurytel.net>
"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote in message
news:hkddv1dvaa5do6p7gkca5jtounijt1p6np@4ax.com...
"Honest John" <honestjohn@centurytel.net> wrote:
Well, let's review:
First, God created and ideal world and put people in it. He gave them
the
choice to build a relationship with Him or not. Those first people made
a
mess of things.
If He created them in an "ideal world" then why couldn't He create
them well enough to NOT make a mess of things? And if He couldn't,
why didn't He have a plan already in place to solve the problem,
rather than letting things drag on until the Roman Empire?
Then humanity sort of started all over again. Noah and his family became
the only survivors of a worldwide flood. Noah's descendants had the same
choice, to build a relationship with God or not. Within a few
generations,
things were a mess again.
God should have created better people the first time around?
If God wanted robot zombies he would have created them, but he gave his
people free will and if they use that free will to love God back as he loves
them, then that is what he wants. God is Love
If there truly had been free will, then you would have seen people
exercising free will -- some would choose to sin, and some would
choose not to sin. But, according to you, that's not the case.
You tell us that every single one of the perhaps 10,000,000,000
billion people born to date are mired in sin. Ten billion to zero
is not a sign of free will, it's a sign of inevitability.
If the gas tanks on a dozen Pintos explode, it might be
poor driving. If every single Pinto ever made exploded, then
it's faulty design.
-- cary
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| Title: Re: Freedom To Worship Honest Porta-John Knight |
20 Feb 2006 12:26:33 PM |
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"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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"Honest John" <honestjohn@centurytel.net>
"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote in message
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"Honest John" <honestjohn@centurytel.net> wrote:
Well, let's review:
First, God created and ideal world and put people in it. He gave
them
the
choice to build a relationship with Him or not. Those first people
made
a
mess of things.
If He created them in an "ideal world" then why couldn't He create
them well enough to NOT make a mess of things? And if He couldn't,
why didn't He have a plan already in place to solve the problem,
rather than letting things drag on until the Roman Empire?
Then humanity sort of started all over again. Noah and his family
became
the only survivors of a worldwide flood. Noah's descendants had the
same
choice, to build a relationship with God or not. Within a few
generations,
things were a mess again.
God should have created better people the first time around?
If God wanted robot zombies he would have created them, but he gave his
people free will and if they use that free will to love God back as he
loves
them, then that is what he wants. God is Love
If there truly had been free will, then you would have seen people
exercising free will -- some would choose to sin, and some would
choose not to sin. But, according to you, that's not the case.
You tell us that every single one of the perhaps 10,000,000,000
billion people born to date are mired in sin. Ten billion to zero
is not a sign of free will, it's a sign of inevitability.
If the gas tanks on a dozen Pintos explode, it might be
poor driving. If every single Pinto ever made exploded, then
it's faulty design.
You don't want to know the truth or you would not be grasping at straws like
you are doing. There may be no hope for you.
HJ
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Honest John <honestjohn@centurytel.net> wrote:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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"Honest John" <honestjohn@centurytel.net>
"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote in message
news:hkddv1dvaa5do6p7gkca5jtounijt1p6np@4ax.com...
"Honest John" <honestjohn@centurytel.net> wrote:
Well, let's review:
First, God created and ideal world and put people in it. He gave
them
the
choice to build a relationship with Him or not. Those first people
made
a
mess of things.
If He created them in an "ideal world" then why couldn't He create
them well enough to NOT make a mess of things? And if He couldn't,
why didn't He have a plan already in place to solve the problem,
rather than letting things drag on until the Roman Empire?
Then humanity sort of started all over again. Noah and his family
became
the only survivors of a worldwide flood. Noah's descendants had the
same
choice, to build a relationship with God or not. Within a few
generations,
things were a mess again.
God should have created better people the first time around?
If God wanted robot zombies he would have created them, but he gave his
people free will and if they use that free will to love God back as he
loves
them, then that is what he wants. God is Love
If there truly had been free will, then you would have seen people
exercising free will -- some would choose to sin, and some would
choose not to sin. But, according to you, that's not the case.
You tell us that every single one of the perhaps 10,000,000,000
billion people born to date are mired in sin. Ten billion to zero
is not a sign of free will, it's a sign of inevitability.
If the gas tanks on a dozen Pintos explode, it might be
poor driving. If every single Pinto ever made exploded, then
it's faulty design.
You don't want to know the truth or you would not be grasping at straws like
you are doing. There may be no hope for you.
HJ
Hypocrite.
--
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Official Overseer of Kooks and Saucerheads in alt.astronomy
Official Agent of Deception
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renormalization back to base memory of equalized uniform momentum."
-- nightbat the saucerhead-in-chief
"Have patience. First I shall deal with the State of Oregon
and County of Josephine, Then the AFAB, government/media
disinformation Agents with whom you conspire to libel me and my
family. Your time will come."
-- Raymond Ronald Karczewski©, usenet "christ"
"Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim, and rather ironic, coming from
someone who obviously has no understanding of what a signature is. Tell me,
Haslam, do you sign your checks as 'Can't you show a little restraint?'"
-- David Tholen, Clueless Newbie of the Month, February 2003
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