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"Ike" |
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07 Jan 2006 09:34:22 PM |
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Re: Fundamental Forces blind chance or fine tuning? |
"Nightphoenix" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message
news:91f837240601070849k7fe35a44v898e626fde4bf0f0@mail.gmail.com...
The four fundamental forces come into play both in the vastness of
the cosmos and in the infinite smallness of atomic structures. Yes,
everything we see around us is involved.
Elements vital for our life (particularly carbon, oxygen, and iron)
could not exist were it not for the fine-tuning of the four forces
evident in the universe. We already mentioned one force, gravity.
Another is the electromagnetic force. If it were significantly weaker,
electrons would not be held around the nucleus of an atom. 'Would that
be serious?' some might wonder. Yes, because atoms could not combine
to form molecules. Conversely, if this force were much stronger,
electrons would be trapped on the nucleus of an atom. There could be
no chemical reactions between atoms—meaning no life. Even from this
standpoint, it is clear that our existence and life depend on the
fine-tuning of the electromagnetic force.
And consider the cosmic scale: A slight difference in the
electromagnetic force would affect the sun and thus alter the light
reaching the earth, making photosynthesis in plants difficult or
impossible. It could also rob water of its unique properties, which
are vital for life. So again, the precise tuning of the
electromagnetic force determines whether we live or not.
That proves we could not exist unless we did!
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Fundamental Forces blind chance or fine tuning? |
08 Jan 2006 10:41:33 AM |
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In <2L%vf.6581$M%4.2043@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>, "Ike"
<accordiondocxyzxyzxyz@mindspring.com> wrote:
"Nightphoenix" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message
news:91f837240601070849k7fe35a44v898e626fde4bf0f0@mail.gmail.com...
The four fundamental forces come into play both in the vastness of
the cosmos and in the infinite smallness of atomic structures. Yes,
everything we see around us is involved.
Elements vital for our life (particularly carbon, oxygen, and iron)
could not exist were it not for the fine-tuning of the four forces
evident in the universe. We already mentioned one force, gravity.
Another is the electromagnetic force. If it were significantly weaker,
electrons would not be held around the nucleus of an atom. 'Would that
be serious?' some might wonder. Yes, because atoms could not combine to
form molecules. Conversely, if this force were much stronger, electrons
would be trapped on the nucleus of an atom. There could be no chemical
reactions between atoms--meaning no life. Even from this standpoint, it
is clear that our existence and life depend on the fine-tuning of the
electromagnetic force.
And consider the cosmic scale: A slight difference in the
electromagnetic force would affect the sun and thus alter the light
reaching the earth, making photosynthesis in plants difficult or
impossible. It could also rob water of its unique properties, which are
vital for life. So again, the precise tuning of the electromagnetic
force determines whether we live or not.
That proves we could not exist unless we did!
WHAT? You mean we wouldn't exist if we didn't????
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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So much for that "storm of the century" excuse
http://makeashorterlink.com/?A3992495C
NO held hostage by oil corporations,
ANWR demanded as ransom
http://makeashorterlink.com/?J5C92195C
White House balks at spending on US citizens,
needs more billions for Iraq!
http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D93595C
(Tell me again how much we spent bailing out the S&Ls?)
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Fundamental Forces blind chance or fine tuning? |
08 Jan 2006 04:01:06 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
<snip>
That proves we could not exist unless we did!
WHAT? You mean we wouldn't exist if we didn't????
Yep.
Tomorrows lecture will deal with the 6000 year old universe and explain how
the speed of light has changed to allow for anything more than 6000 light
years away to show up.
Day after tomorrow here will be a fight to the death between the two
speakers as one defends "just right for life" and the other defends changes.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Fundamental Forces blind chance or fine tuning? |
08 Jan 2006 05:53:01 PM |
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In <CYfwf.4498$fb4.3407@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
<snip>
That proves we could not exist unless we did!
WHAT? You mean we wouldn't exist if we didn't????
Yep.
Tomorrows lecture will deal with the 6000 year old universe and explain
how the speed of light has changed to allow for anything more than 6000
light years away to show up.
Day after tomorrow here will be a fight to the death between the two
speakers as one defends "just right for life" and the other defends
changes.
I thought the death match was between the YEC and the OEC...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
So much for that "storm of the century" excuse
http://makeashorterlink.com/?A3992495C
NO held hostage by oil corporations,
ANWR demanded as ransom
http://makeashorterlink.com/?J5C92195C
White House balks at spending on US citizens,
needs more billions for Iraq!
http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D93595C
(Tell me again how much we spent bailing out the S&Ls?)
http://www.nola.com
.
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| User: "thomas p" |
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| Title: Re: Fundamental Forces blind chance or fine tuning? |
09 Jan 2006 09:46:01 AM |
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On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 17:53:01 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In <CYfwf.4498$fb4.3407@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
<snip>
That proves we could not exist unless we did!
WHAT? You mean we wouldn't exist if we didn't????
Yep.
Tomorrows lecture will deal with the 6000 year old universe and explain
how the speed of light has changed to allow for anything more than 6000
light years away to show up.
Day after tomorrow here will be a fight to the death between the two
speakers as one defends "just right for life" and the other defends
changes.
I thought the death match was between the YEC and the OEC...
Ever notice how close they are to "retch"?
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Fundamental Forces blind chance or fine tuning? |
09 Jan 2006 11:08:08 AM |
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In <aru4s1lrsucgmvppmghku62anbco6lq4un@4ax.com>, thomas p
<tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 17:53:01 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In <CYfwf.4498$fb4.3407@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
<snip>
That proves we could not exist unless we did!
WHAT? You mean we wouldn't exist if we didn't????
Yep.
Tomorrows lecture will deal with the 6000 year old universe and explain
how the speed of light has changed to allow for anything more than 6000
light years away to show up.
Day after tomorrow here will be a fight to the death between the two
speakers as one defends "just right for life" and the other defends
changes.
I thought the death match was between the YEC and the OEC...
Ever notice how close they are to "retch"?
YEC has always reminded me of sound my dogs make.
(Right before I have to mop up)
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
Charity hospital closes for good
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F3D51207C
A city on hold
http://makeashorterlink.com/?Y3E55207C
If Katrina was a "judgment," god hates poor people
and churches but loves a good party...
http://www.nola.com/mardigras/
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "thomas p" |
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| Title: Re: Fundamental Forces blind chance or fine tuning? |
09 Jan 2006 02:34:58 PM |
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On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 11:08:08 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In <aru4s1lrsucgmvppmghku62anbco6lq4un@4ax.com>, thomas p
<tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 17:53:01 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In <CYfwf.4498$fb4.3407@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
<snip>
That proves we could not exist unless we did!
WHAT? You mean we wouldn't exist if we didn't????
Yep.
Tomorrows lecture will deal with the 6000 year old universe and explain
how the speed of light has changed to allow for anything more than 6000
light years away to show up.
Day after tomorrow here will be a fight to the death between the two
speakers as one defends "just right for life" and the other defends
changes.
I thought the death match was between the YEC and the OEC...
Ever notice how close they are to "retch"?
YEC has always reminded me of sound my dogs make.
(Right before I have to mop up)
My cats like to go to the middle of the carpet, when they feel
something coming up.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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| Title: Re: Fundamental Forces blind chance or fine tuning? |
08 Jan 2006 04:43:52 PM |
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On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 22:01:06 GMT, in alt.talk.creationism
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
<CYfwf.4498$fb4.3407@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
<snip>
That proves we could not exist unless we did!
WHAT? You mean we wouldn't exist if we didn't????
Yep.
Tomorrows lecture will deal with the 6000 year old universe and explain how
the speed of light has changed to allow for anything more than 6000 light
years away to show up.
Day after tomorrow here will be a fight to the death between the two
speakers as one defends "just right for life" and the other defends changes.
Science by Champion. That should be interesting.
I suppose all the 'Christian' proponents will want to fight Stephen
Hawking. If their muscles are as weak as their arguments, even he might
be too tough for them.
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