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Date: 02 Apr 2005 07:23:33 PM
Object: Re: Fundamentalist Christianity = Stockholm Syndrome
If I may stop lurking for a while...
Let's do a reality check, shall we? The Tuckers are **not** fundamentalists.
They---and I think there are at least two of them, though not necessarily a man
and a woman---are actually ridiculing fundamentalists---and
fundamentalism---every step of the way. Even those of you who say you can see
through their game seem to be taken in by it from time to time. Bill "knows"
that this Max something-or-other is the puppeteer behind the show, for example,
and he may well be, but Bill is also convinced that Lurlean is still popping out
babies she can ill afford to care for in spite of her cradle-robbing husband's
apparent problems with erectile dysfunction. Does that make sense to you?
Would any real fundamentalist church admit to having a torture chamber or
members who regularly review pornography to determine its depravity quotient?
Can't you recognize satire when you see it?
If Lurlean were as ignorant as she---or her creator---pretends she is, would she
be able to spell half the words she uses? Much is made of her supposed
illiteracy---and her "trailer trash" roots. Is religion---even of the
fundamentalist variety---always a bad thing for such people? Consider the
alternative. Why are they still part of American landscape in the first place?
Are people to blame for being poor---or poorly educated? How do we go about
educating the poor---thereby alleviating their poverty? By making fun of them?
Would you say that Lurlean is better educated than most people who grew up in
rural Mississippi---or worse?
You've got to admit that whoever the "Tuckers" are, they really know how to push
the right buttons no matter how poorly they may write. What's really
interesting to me is everyone's reaction to them. The design is ultimately
sound even if it is artificial. Bill Baker took exception to Lurlean's
assertion that he goes to orgies regularly---a supposition she based on his
admission that he was about to leave for one when he encountered her first
message on Usenet. He's catalogued several "Lurlean Lies" based around this
assumption on her part. Yet Bard Kesnit has taken Lurlean's references to
lesbians' using peanut butter as a sex aid and used it the same way. Did
Lurlean ever intimate that she tried peanut butter? Did Bill start a list of
Bard's "lies"---not that objective truth has that much to do with this newsgroup
anyway? Are you guys fighting fairly? What do your responses to the Tucker
"family"---when is the new member due to arrive again?---say about your
attitudes toward religion and family values? You're always asking the Tuckers
to prove their assertions. Do you prove yours? Does a mention in the
oft-quoted "peer-reviewed scientific journal" really establish anything? Are
the books the Bard quotes from "scientific"? If you argue yes, are you
suggesting that fundamentalism should be outlawed? Look at the form your
dialogue with the Tuckers takes.
And they raise a few interesting points that probably make more sense to
Californians struggling with linguistic pluralism than to those living in other
parts of the country---particularly the much maligned "red" states. Is there
really a "standard" written version of English? If so, who decides what it
should look like and sound like---especially given the fact that it's changing
every day?
I think this could be a classroom exercise, as somebody suggested a few months
ago. There are always new developments in September, about the time classes
start. Isn't that when Lurlean and Thurgood officially replaced Bernadette and
her husband in the cast? Somewhere in the world students are writing detailed
analyses of the points the Tuckers raise---along with your responses to
them---from whether love can truly be unconditional to whether gays should be
allowed marry in all fifty states. I say they should, by the way---and I think
that if the truth were known the "Tuckers" really agree!
Think about it the next time you respond.
Back to lurk mode for the time being...
David
In article <slrnd4qrgs.aoo.Curtis@Curtis.Sieber.com>, curtsybear says...

That's an interesting idea, however the majority of what are called
Christians probably do not suffer from this. Certainly the lunatic
fringe of the hardcore fundamentalists and the Tuckers (who put
the MENTAL in fundamental) would qualify to varying degrees, with
the Tuckers right near the top.
Howabout politicians or political parties?
Is there a reverse stockholm syndrome where the natural activity
is one of helping the person, but the person treats the helper as
a terrorist? Like the dentist?

.

User: "Bill Baker"

Title: Re: Fundamentalist Christianity = Stockholm Syndrome 03 Apr 2005 11:48:17 PM
On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 11:23:33 -0800,
wrote in message
news:<d2mrfl014bu@drn.newsguy.com>...

If I may stop lurking for a while...

Let's do a reality check, shall we? The Tuckers are **not**
fundamentalists. They---and I think there are at least two of them,
though not necessarily a man and a woman---are actually ridiculing
fundamentalists---and fundamentalism---every step of the way. Even
those of you who say you can see through their game seem to be taken in
by it from time to time. Bill "knows" that this Max something-or-other
is the puppeteer behind the show, for example,

That's true.

and he may well be, but Bill is also convinced that Lurlean is still
popping out babies she can ill afford to care for in spite of her
cradle-robbing husband's apparent problems with erectile dysfunction.

Actually, that's Bard that thinks that.

Does that make sense to you? Would any real fundamentalist church admit
to having a torture chamber or members who regularly review pornography
to determine its depravity quotient? Can't you recognize satire when you
see it?

Absolutely, but I want to get them to admit to the truth.

If Lurlean were as ignorant as she---or her creator---pretends she is,
would she be able to spell half the words she uses? Much is made of her
supposed illiteracy---and her "trailer trash" roots. Is religion---even
of the fundamentalist variety---always a bad thing for such people?
Consider the alternative. Why are they still part of American landscape
in the first place? Are people to blame for being poor---or poorly
educated? How do we go about educating the poor---thereby alleviating
their poverty? By making fun of them? Would you say that Lurlean is
better educated than most people who grew up in rural Mississippi---or
worse?

We're not ridiculing her because sHe's ignorant. We ridicule her because
sHe's ignorant and thinks that sHe is superior and better educated than
the rest of us.

You've got to admit that whoever the "Tuckers" are, they really know how
to push the right buttons no matter how poorly they may write. What's
really interesting to me is everyone's reaction to them. The design is
ultimately sound even if it is artificial. Bill Baker took exception to
Lurlean's assertion that he goes to orgies regularly

No, no, no...I never took exception to it, I merely used it to show that
she lies.

---a supposition she based on his admission that he was about to leave
for one when he encountered her first message on Usenet. He's
catalogued several "Lurlean Lies" based around this assumption on her
part.

See how well it worked? She hasn't admitted to any of them yet, either.

Yet Bard Kesnit has taken Lurlean's references to lesbians' using peanut
butter as a sex aid and used it the same way. Did Lurlean ever intimate
that she tried peanut butter? Did Bill start a list of Bard's
"lies"---not that objective truth has that much to do with this
newsgroup anyway?

There's a big difference - Bard doesn't claim that she "don't never lie".

Are you guys fighting fairly?

Are the Tuckers? Besides, who says anyone has to fight fairly?

What do your responses to the Tucker "family"---when is the new member
due to arrive again?---say about your attitudes toward religion and
family values?

Why should we show them any respect for their religion when they have
shown absolutely none for ours?

You're always asking the Tuckers to prove their assertions. Do you
prove yours?

I always prove anything I say. Where have I not?

Does a mention in the oft-quoted "peer-reviewed scientific journal"
really establish anything?

Yes. It shows that their claims are unsupportable and that their
techniques are merely the results of brainwashing.

Are the books the Bard quotes from "scientific"?

Which ones are those?

If you argue yes, are you suggesting that fundamentalism should be
outlawed? Look at the form your dialogue with the Tuckers takes.

Fundamentalism is a dangerous cult, but not everything dangerous is
outlawed.

And they raise a few interesting points that probably make more sense to
Californians struggling with linguistic pluralism than to those living
in other parts of the country---particularly the much maligned "red"
states. Is there really a "standard" written version of English? If
so, who decides what it should look like and sound like---especially
given the fact that it's changing every day?

It wouldn't be an issue if these sock puppets didn't proclaim literary
superiority to the rest of us. Not to mention superiority in every other
area.

I think this could be a classroom exercise, as somebody suggested a few
months ago. There are always new developments in September, about the
time classes start. Isn't that when Lurlean and Thurgood officially
replaced Bernadette and her husband in the cast? Somewhere in the world
students are writing detailed analyses of the points the Tuckers
raise---along with your responses to them---from whether love can truly
be unconditional to whether gays should be allowed marry in all fifty
states. I say they should, by the way---and I think that if the truth
were known the "Tuckers" really agree!

Interesting theory. One that's been brought up a few times before.

Think about it the next time you respond.

Back to lurk mode for the time being...


David

--
Lurlean Lie #31:
Did you know he finally admitted he's got smegma?
news:1dcee589.0411282155.61f2adf1@posting.google.com
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