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13 Oct 2005 12:19:55 PM |
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Re: Fundy redneck delivers 16th baby, wants more |
doggoneit <doggoneit@thatsalitter.dam> wrote:
Mom delivers 16th child, thinking of more
LITTLE ROCK, Arkansas (AP) -- Michelle Duggar just delivered her 16th
child, and she's already thinking about doing it again.
Johannah Faith Duggar was born at 6:30 a.m. Tuesday and weighed 7
pounds, 6.5 ounces.
The baby's father, Jim Bob Duggar, a former state representative, said
Wednesday that mother and child were doing well. Johannah's birth was
especially exciting because it was the first time in eight years the
family has had a girl, he said.
Jim Bob Duggar, 40, said he and Michelle, 39, want more children.
"We both just love children and we consider each a blessing from the
Lord. I have asked Michelle if she wants more and she said yes, if the
Lord wants to give us some she will accept them," he said in a
telephone interview.
The Discovery Health Channel filmed Johannah's birth and plans to air
a show about the family in May.
The Learning Channel is doing another show about the family's
construction project, a 7,000-square foot house that should be
finished before Christmas. The home, which the family from the
northwest Arkansas town of Rogers has been building for two years,
will have nine bathrooms, dormitory-style bedrooms for the girls and
boys, a commercial kitchen, four washing machines and four dryers.
Jim Bob Duggar, who sells real estate, previously lost his bid for the
U.S. Senate. He said he expects to run for the state Senate next year
but isn't ready to make a formal announcement.
Michelle Duggar, 39, had her first child at age 21, four years after
the couple married.
Their children include two sets of twins, and each child has a name
beginning with the letter "J": Joshua, 17; John David, 15; Janna, 15;
Jill, 14; Jessa, 12; Jinger, 11; Joseph, 10; Josiah, 9; Joy-Anna, 8;
Jeremiah, 6; Jedidiah, 6; Jason, 5; James, 4; Justin, 2; Jackson Levi,
1; and now Johannah.
Well, I guess the bright side is how much they're saving on sanitary
napkins. She's had 16 children in the last 18 years, so she probably
hasn't gone through a whole box of Kotex in that entire time. Very
frugal.
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| User: "mcaffee" |
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13 Oct 2005 09:19:38 PM |
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And... unlike liberals,they support and raise their own children.
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| User: "Phyl" |
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13 Oct 2005 11:12:30 PM |
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mcaffee wrote:
And... unlike liberals,they support and raise their own children.
And unlike Republican Senator Santorum (conservative), they're not
expecting the state to pay for their kids' "Internet Home Schooling."
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| User: "Tbone" |
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14 Oct 2005 12:07:45 PM |
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It's funny how different people view the same situation.
Some people peer into their crystal ball and see 16 future maladjusted,
psychopathic, welfare recipients.
I see 16 american workforce members about to start contributing to the
social security fund just in time for me to retire.
Keep em comin' mama!
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| User: "taty" |
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14 Oct 2005 01:14:25 PM |
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"Tbone" <tweis2020@hotmail.com> wrote:
It's funny how different people view the same situation.
Some people peer into their crystal ball and see 16 future maladjusted,
psychopathic, welfare recipients.
I see 16 american workforce members about to start contributing to the
social security fund just in time for me to retire.
Keep em comin' mama!
Single-family cults don't usually contribute much in the form of
taxes. They tend to keep it "all in the family".
The boys will work with and for Pawpaw, and the girls will be married
off to some other nice fundy boys to produce litters of their own to
feed the cult. A few of the girls, probably the youngest, will stay
home with Mawmaw, cleaning, cooking, knitting, sewing, and changing
diapers, as Mawmaw will be producing babies till her sixties. But by
then she'll be able to do little else but open her legs and pop them
out. She'll be too tired for anything else.
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| User: "Logan Shaw" |
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14 Oct 2005 02:10:25 PM |
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taty wrote:
Single-family cults don't usually contribute much in the form of
taxes. They tend to keep it "all in the family".
The boys will work with and for Pawpaw, and the girls will be married
off to some other nice fundy boys to produce litters of their own to
feed the cult.
My experience is that if the family is really restrictive like this,
then what will eventually happen with most of the children is that
they will get a glimpse of what life is like outside the strict world
they were raised in, and they will go completely in the other direction.
- Logan
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| User: "Phoenix" |
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14 Oct 2005 04:30:14 PM |
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In article <BoT3f.27091$0c.2039@tornado.texas.rr.com>, lshaw-
usenet@austin.rr.com says...
taty wrote:
Single-family cults don't usually contribute much in the form of
taxes. They tend to keep it "all in the family".
The boys will work with and for Pawpaw, and the girls will be married
off to some other nice fundy boys to produce litters of their own to
feed the cult.
My experience is that if the family is really restrictive like this,
then what will eventually happen with most of the children is that
they will get a glimpse of what life is like outside the strict world
they were raised in, and they will go completely in the other direction.
- Logan
Your experience? Read Under the Banner of Heaven to see what happens to
some of the children of cultic families. Married and knocked up before
they ever have a chance to choose.
Ma Duggar was married at 17.
bel
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| User: "Barbara Bomberger" |
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15 Oct 2005 02:04:08 AM |
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On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:30:14 GMT, Phoenix <avianatrix@yahoo.com>
wrote:
In article <BoT3f.27091$0c.2039@tornado.texas.rr.com>, lshaw-
usenet@austin.rr.com says...
taty wrote:
Single-family cults don't usually contribute much in the form of
taxes. They tend to keep it "all in the family".
The boys will work with and for Pawpaw, and the girls will be married
off to some other nice fundy boys to produce litters of their own to
feed the cult.
My experience is that if the family is really restrictive like this,
then what will eventually happen with most of the children is that
they will get a glimpse of what life is like outside the strict world
they were raised in, and they will go completely in the other direction.
- Logan
Your experience? Read Under the Banner of Heaven to see what happens to
some of the children of cultic families. Married and knocked up before
they ever have a chance to choose.
Ma Duggar was married at 17.
bel
While her choices would not be mine, I see no evidence that she was
forced to marry. I also see that she was not "knocked up" at seventeen
but that they were childless for their first four years of marriage,
had one childand then went back on the pill untill they changed their
minds on numbers of children.
While I have issues with many parts of the fundamentalist christian
attitudes, I do not assume that every married woman was forced or
brainwashed into her current position.
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| User: "Phoenix" |
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15 Oct 2005 01:23:30 PM |
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In article <sba1l19boavt70vt5trg20ind2uf8qka7g@4ax.com>,
barbarabomberger@hotmail.com says...
On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:30:14 GMT, Phoenix <avianatrix@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Your experience? Read Under the Banner of Heaven to see what happens to
some of the children of cultic families. Married and knocked up before
they ever have a chance to choose.
Ma Duggar was married at 17.
bel
While her choices would not be mine, I see no evidence that she was
forced to marry. I also see that she was not "knocked up" at seventeen
but that they were childless for their first four years of marriage,
had one childand then went back on the pill untill they changed their
minds on numbers of children.
Yes, and the Duggars have been clear with everyone including their
children that the Pill is a sin of the worst order - that they sinned
and begged for god's forgiveness.
While I have issues with many parts of the fundamentalist christian
attitudes, I do not assume that every married woman was forced or
brainwashed into her current position.
Ma Duggar had a lot more choices in life than she is allowing her
daughters. She has brainwashed herself and restricted her own
conception of the world - which probably isn't real brainwashing, per
se.
She and Pa ARE brainwashing those children. It's much harder for girls
to get out of controlling circumstances like these than boys. Boys will
be encouraged to work in the world. Girls will stay home and raise Ma's
brood until they can escape with a boy and make one of their own.
bel - who shies away from the inaccurate term "brainwashing" normally.
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| User: "Barbara Bomberger" |
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15 Oct 2005 03:17:07 PM |
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On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 18:23:30 GMT, Phoenix <avianatrix@yahoo.com>
wrote:
In article <sba1l19boavt70vt5trg20ind2uf8qka7g@4ax.com>,
Yes, and the Duggars have been clear with everyone including their
children that the Pill is a sin of the worst order - that they sinned
and begged for god's forgiveness.
And that was a joint decision. Long as they agree I have no problem.
Your implication was otherwise. If they are both agreeable, I dont
care how many children they have.
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| User: "Phoenix" |
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15 Oct 2005 05:01:53 PM |
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In article <qro2l1d639u79tle6qij1j0g3vuhltijdb@4ax.com>,
barbarabomberger@hotmail.com says...
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 18:23:30 GMT, Phoenix <avianatrix@yahoo.com>
wrote:
In article <sba1l19boavt70vt5trg20ind2uf8qka7g@4ax.com>,
Yes, and the Duggars have been clear with everyone including their
children that the Pill is a sin of the worst order - that they sinned
and begged for god's forgiveness.
And that was a joint decision. Long as they agree I have no problem.
Your implication was otherwise. If they are both agreeable, I dont
care how many children they have.
Huh? So if parents mutually make bad decisions based on flawed
premises, you are okay with that?
bel
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| User: "Barbara Bomberger" |
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16 Oct 2005 06:37:29 AM |
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On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 22:01:53 GMT, Phoenix <avianatrix@yahoo.com>
wrote:
In article <qro2l1d639u79tle6qij1j0g3vuhltijdb@4ax.com>,
barbarabomberger@hotmail.com says...
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 18:23:30 GMT, Phoenix <avianatrix@yahoo.com>
wrote:
In article <sba1l19boavt70vt5trg20ind2uf8qka7g@4ax.com>,
Yes, and the Duggars have been clear with everyone including their
children that the Pill is a sin of the worst order - that they sinned
and begged for god's forgiveness.
And that was a joint decision. Long as they agree I have no problem.
Your implication was otherwise. If they are both agreeable, I dont
care how many children they have.
Huh? So if parents mutually make bad decisions based on flawed
premises, you are okay with that?
bel
I dont happen to think having many children is a bad decision. nOr do
I necessarily think their premise is false.
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| User: "Rod Speed" |
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15 Oct 2005 05:33:31 PM |
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Phoenix <avianatrix@yahoo.com> wrote
barbarabomberger@hotmail.com says...
Phoenix <avianatrix@yahoo.com> wrote
Yes, and the Duggars have been clear with everyone
including their children that the Pill is a sin of the worst
order - that they sinned and begged for god's forgiveness.
And that was a joint decision. Long as they agree I have
no problem. Your implication was otherwise. If they are
both agreeable, I dont care how many children they have.
Huh? So if parents mutually make bad decisions
based on flawed premises, you are okay with that?
When its something like the number of brats they
choose to have, yes, in the first world where few
choose to have anything like that many.
We wont be letting bigots like you have any say on
how many particular parents can have. Fortunately.
You dont get any say on them grovelling to some
damned god or other either and that also means
that they dont get to insist that you must grovel
to some damned god or other either.
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| User: "Logan Shaw" |
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15 Oct 2005 09:06:19 PM |
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Phoenix wrote:
In article <qro2l1d639u79tle6qij1j0g3vuhltijdb@4ax.com>,
barbarabomberger@hotmail.com says...
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 18:23:30 GMT, Phoenix <avianatrix@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Yes, and the Duggars have been clear with everyone including their
children that the Pill is a sin of the worst order - that they sinned
and begged for god's forgiveness.
If they are both agreeable, I dont
care how many children they have.
Huh? So if parents mutually make bad decisions based on flawed
premises, you are okay with that?
One of the nice things about the United States, in theory, is that we
have this idea that people have their own personal freedoms and while
we may or may not agree with them, we respect their right to have their
own opinion and we don't seek to enforce our own ways of doing things
on them because we're sure that *our* way of doing things is right.
The point is, *you* think it's a bad decision based on flawed premises.
Probably so do lots of other people. But then the Duggars might think
the things you do are bad decisions based on flawed premises.
Personally, I don't see how either view (yours or the Duggars) trumps
the other in any obvious way, so as far as I'm concerned, I don't have
a problem if you live your life the way you choose to and the Duggars
live their lives the way they chose to.
- Logan
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| User: "Kris Baker" |
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15 Oct 2005 09:13:51 PM |
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"Logan Shaw" <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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Personally, I don't see how either view (yours or the Duggars) trumps
the other in any obvious way, so as far as I'm concerned, I don't have
a problem if you live your life the way you choose to and the Duggars
live their lives the way they chose to.
- Logan
Except we're all supporting them; do you have any idea how much pressure
they put on society, and how little (if any) taxes they pay?
I don't mind their business if they'll keep it out of my face and quit
promoting themselves; at that point, we're free to criticize them because
they've become public figures (through their own choices).
Kris
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| User: "Bo" |
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17 Oct 2005 03:10:41 PM |
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"Kris Baker" <kris.baker@prodigyyy.net> wrote in message
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"Logan Shaw" <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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Personally, I don't see how either view (yours or the Duggars) trumps
the other in any obvious way, so as far as I'm concerned, I don't have
a problem if you live your life the way you choose to and the Duggars
live their lives the way they chose to.
- Logan
Except we're all supporting them; do you have any idea how much pressure
they put on society, and how little (if any) taxes they pay?
I don't mind their business if they'll keep it out of my face and quit
promoting themselves; at that point, we're free to criticize them because
they've become public figures (through their own choices).
Kris
Assume they are paying Zero taxes, is that still not 2 orders of magnitude
better than a single mother on welfare cranking out babies by
God-only-knows-who the father is THIS time for 2 or 3 or 4 kids?
I'll take a Duggar family as a contributor to society over the 'the govt
owes me a handout because ____' folks any day of the week.
Bo
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| User: "Rod Speed" |
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15 Oct 2005 10:14:44 PM |
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Kris Baker <kris.baker@prodigyyy.net> wrote
Logan Shaw <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote
Personally, I don't see how either view (yours or the Duggars) trumps the
other in any obvious way, so as far as I'm concerned, I don't have a problem
if you live your life the way you choose to and the Duggars live their lives
the way they chose to.
Except we're all supporting them;
You dont know that.
do you have any idea how much pressure they put on society,
***** all by the looks of it given that they
dont even send those brats to school.
and how little (if any) taxes they pay?
You dont like the way those with that many kids are taxed ?
Take that up with those who write the tax laws, stupid.
And its quite likely that those kids will be subsidising you when
you're in the nursing home, out of the taxes they will be paying too.
I don't mind their business if they'll keep it out of my face and quit
promoting themselves;
No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to
watch them on TV etc. If anyone is doing that, call the cops.
at that point, we're free to criticize them because they've become public
figures (through their own choices).
And they're free to make obscene gestures in your general direction too.
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| User: "Barbara Bomberger" |
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16 Oct 2005 06:38:36 AM |
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On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 02:13:51 GMT, "Kris Baker"
<kris.baker@prodigyyy.net> wrote:
"Logan Shaw" <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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Personally, I don't see how either view (yours or the Duggars) trumps
the other in any obvious way, so as far as I'm concerned, I don't have
a problem if you live your life the way you choose to and the Duggars
live their lives the way they chose to.
- Logan
Except we're all supporting them; do you have any idea how much pressure
they put on society, and how little (if any) taxes they pay?
I don't mind their business if they'll keep it out of my face and quit
promoting themselves; at that point, we're free to criticize them because
they've become public figures (through their own choices).
Kris
I will have to say that I do find the need to dress up and take
pictures and keepthemselves in the public eye odd.....
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| User: "Rod Speed" |
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16 Oct 2005 01:42:10 PM |
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Barbara Bomberger <barbarabomberger@hotmail.com> wrote
Kris Baker <kris.baker@prodigyyy.net> wrote
Logan Shaw <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote
Personally, I don't see how either view (yours or the Duggars)
trumps the other in any obvious way, so as far as I'm concerned,
I don't have a problem if you live your life the way you choose
to and the Duggars live their lives the way they chose to.
Except we're all supporting them; do you have any idea how much
pressure they put on society, and how little (if any) taxes they pay?
I don't mind their business if they'll keep it out of my face and quit
promoting themselves; at that point, we're free to criticize them
because they've become public figures (through their own choices).
I will have to say that I do find the need to dress up and
take pictures and keep themselves in the public eye odd.....
Their choice, it aint a one size fits all world...
Hardly the first to spruik their personal lifestyle choices.
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15 Oct 2005 11:22:11 PM |
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On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 02:13:51 GMT, in misc.consumers.frugal-living "Kris Baker"
<kris.baker@prodigyyy.net> wrote:
"Logan Shaw" <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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Personally, I don't see how either view (yours or the Duggars) trumps
the other in any obvious way, so as far as I'm concerned, I don't have
a problem if you live your life the way you choose to and the Duggars
live their lives the way they chose to.
- Logan
Except we're all supporting them; do you have any idea how much pressure
they put on society, and how little (if any) taxes they pay?
I don't mind their business if they'll keep it out of my face and quit
promoting themselves; at that point, we're free to criticize them because
they've become public figures (through their own choices).
Kris
Who paid for your liver transplant krissy?
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| User: "Kris Baker" |
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16 Oct 2005 11:34:55 AM |
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<jdlasfjsdaf@fdajflj.dfldasjf> wrote in message
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On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 02:13:51 GMT, in misc.consumers.frugal-living "Kris
Baker"
<kris.baker@prodigyyy.net> wrote:
"Logan Shaw" <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
news:vAi4f.38450$0c.23084@tornado.texas.rr.com...>
Personally, I don't see how either view (yours or the Duggars) trumps
the other in any obvious way, so as far as I'm concerned, I don't have
a problem if you live your life the way you choose to and the Duggars
live their lives the way they chose to.
- Logan
Except we're all supporting them; do you have any idea how much pressure
they put on society, and how little (if any) taxes they pay?
I don't mind their business if they'll keep it out of my face and quit
promoting themselves; at that point, we're free to criticize them because
they've become public figures (through their own choices).
Kris
Who paid for your liver transplant krissy?
You have me confused with one of your drunken friends.
I don't have a liver transplant, *****. I have NO transplant.
Kris
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| User: "Arvin" |
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15 Oct 2005 03:27:26 PM |
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Yeah, as long as I don't have to support them.
"Barbara Bomberger" <barbarabomberger@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 18:23:30 GMT, Phoenix <avianatrix@yahoo.com>
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| >Yes, and the Duggars have been clear with everyone including their
| >children that the Pill is a sin of the worst order - that they sinned
| >and begged for god's forgiveness.
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| And that was a joint decision. Long as they agree I have no problem.
| Your implication was otherwise. If they are both agreeable, I dont
| care how many children they have.
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| User: "Rod Speed" |
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15 Oct 2005 02:53:00 PM |
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Phoenix <avianatrix@yahoo.com> wrote
barbarabomberger@hotmail.com says...
Phoenix <avianatrix@yahoo.com> wrote
Your experience? Read Under the Banner of Heaven to see
what happens to some of the children of cultic families. Married
and knocked up before they ever have a chance to choose.
Ma Duggar was married at 17.
While her choices would not be mine, I see no evidence that
she was forced to marry. I also see that she was not "knocked
up" at seventeen but that they were childless for their first four
years of marriage, had one childand then went back on the pill
untill they changed their minds on numbers of children.
Yes, and the Duggars have been clear with everyone
including their children that the Pill is a sin of the worst
order - that they sinned and begged for god's forgiveness.
Who cares what fruit loops like that do on that sort of thing ?
While I have issues with many parts of the fundamentalist
christian attitudes, I do not assume that every married
woman was forced or brainwashed into her current position.
Ma Duggar had a lot more choices in
life than she is allowing her daughters.
You dont know that.
And you dont know what they will do regardless of what she wants anyway.
She has brainwashed herself
Not even possible.
and restricted her own conception of the world -
which probably isn't real brainwashing, per se.
Corse it isnt.
She and Pa ARE brainwashing those children.
We'll see.
It's much harder for girls to get out of controlling
circumstances like these than boys.
*****.
Boys will be encouraged to work in the world.
Girls will stay home and raise Ma's brood until they
can escape with a boy and make one of their own.
And there is no way the duggars can control
what they choose to do themselves.
You have absolutely no way of knowing how
many of the girls will be sick of hordes of kids
and choose not to go that route themselves.
Bet they wont all marry the males of the other
family either. There arent even enough of them.
bel - who shies away from the inaccurate term "brainwashing" normally.
Its completely silly in the context of Michelle.
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| User: "Logan Shaw" |
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15 Oct 2005 08:55:38 PM |
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Phoenix wrote:
In article <sba1l19boavt70vt5trg20ind2uf8qka7g@4ax.com>,
barbarabomberger@hotmail.com says...
had one childand then went back on the pill untill they changed their
minds on numbers of children.
Yes, and the Duggars have been clear with everyone including their
children that the Pill is a sin of the worst order
:
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She has brainwashed herself and restricted her own
conception of the world
Sounds like she's done anything BUT restricted her own conception...
- Logan
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| User: "Phoenix" |
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| Title: Re: Fundy redneck delivers 16th baby, wants more |
15 Oct 2005 09:50:35 PM |
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In article <uqi4f.39099$zw5.30681@tornado.texas.rr.com>, lshaw-
usenet@austin.rr.com says...
Phoenix wrote:
In article <sba1l19boavt70vt5trg20ind2uf8qka7g@4ax.com>,
barbarabomberger@hotmail.com says...
had one childand then went back on the pill untill they changed their
minds on numbers of children.
Yes, and the Duggars have been clear with everyone including their
children that the Pill is a sin of the worst order
:
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She has brainwashed herself and restricted her own
conception of the world
Sounds like she's done anything BUT restricted her own conception...
- Logan
ROFL!
bel - spanked
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| User: "Rod Speed" |
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| Title: Re: Fundy redneck delivers 16th baby, wants more |
14 Oct 2005 04:59:55 PM |
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Phoenix <avianatrix@yahoo.com> wrote:
In article <BoT3f.27091$0c.2039@tornado.texas.rr.com>, lshaw-
usenet@austin.rr.com says...
taty wrote:
Single-family cults don't usually contribute much in the form of
taxes. They tend to keep it "all in the family".
The boys will work with and for Pawpaw, and the girls will be
married off to some other nice fundy boys to produce litters of
their own to feed the cult.
My experience is that if the family is really restrictive like this,
then what will eventually happen with most of the children is that
they will get a glimpse of what life is like outside the strict world
they were raised in, and they will go completely in the other
direction.
Your experience? Read Under the Banner of Heaven to
see what happens to some of the children of cultic families.
It aint a cult.
Married and knocked up before
they ever have a chance to choose.
Ma Duggar was married at 17.
Not uncommon even with the non fundys.
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| User: "Rod Speed" |
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| Title: Re: Fundy redneck delivers 16th baby, wants more |
14 Oct 2005 03:03:59 PM |
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Logan Shaw <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote
taty wrote
Single-family cults don't usually contribute much in the form of taxes. They
tend to keep it "all in the family".
The boys will work with and for Pawpaw, and the girls will be married off to
some other nice fundy boys to produce litters of their own to feed the cult.
My experience is that if the family is really restrictive like this,
then what will eventually happen with most of the children is that
they will get a glimpse of what life is like outside the strict world
they were raised in, and they will go completely in the other
direction.
Some do, some dont, most obviously with the Amish.
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| User: "Magda" |
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| Title: Re: Fundy redneck delivers 16th baby, wants more |
14 Oct 2005 12:09:35 PM |
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On 14 Oct 2005 10:07:45 -0700, in alt.gossip.celebrities, "Tbone" <tweis2020@hotmail.com>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... It's funny how different people view the same situation.
...
... Some people peer into their crystal ball and see 16 future maladjusted,
... psychopathic, welfare recipients.
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... I see 16 american workforce members about to start contributing to the
... social security fund just in time for me to retire.
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... Keep em comin' mama!
With all the kids these 16+ are going to produce, I wouldn't count on their paying a cent
towards your retirement...
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| User: "alath" |
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| Title: Re: Fundy redneck delivers 16th baby, wants more |
18 Oct 2005 11:26:51 AM |
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My favorite thing about this thread is seeing the "tolerance and
diversity" crowd from the left in action. I've always known that the
diversity you folks embrace extends through a "diversity" of opinions
and lifestyles, from left, to far-left, to way-far-left. I guess it's
okay if you want to be intolerant bigots - you do have that right - but
at least you on the left should drop the transparent pretense of
"tolerance and diversity."
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| User: "John Smith" |
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18 Oct 2005 12:11:50 PM |
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alath wrote:
My favorite thing about this thread is seeing the "tolerance and
diversity" crowd from the left in action. I've always known that the
diversity you folks embrace extends through a "diversity" of opinions
and lifestyles, from left, to far-left, to way-far-left. I guess it's
okay if you want to be intolerant bigots - you do have that right - but
at least you on the left should drop the transparent pretense of
"tolerance and diversity."
Who the ***** said that the left controls this thread? I'm libertarian.
So are a lot of the posters. Most child-free advocates are libertarian.
When you get a website that has a page that condemns abortion, that is a
tad thick. The posters have a fear that government money is funding
them. Maybe this is not the case, but THAT IS THEIR OPINION! If the
Duggars are self-sufficient, then bless them. It will not stop anyone
from taking potshots at them. It's freedom of expression. And you have
it too. Live well with it.
John
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| User: "alath" |
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| Title: Re: Fundy redneck delivers 16th baby, wants more |
18 Oct 2005 05:50:54 PM |
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I never said anything about the left "controlling this thread." My
comments only implied that some posters on this thread are left-wing,
and that their posts exemplify the intolerance of those on the left.
And if it is true that the general tone of this thread reflects the
philosophy of libertarians, then my esteem for libertarians just
dropped considerably. I always thought libertarians espoused profound
respect for the rights of individuals to live their lives according to
their own beliefs. You're reduced libertarianism to little more than a
mean-spirited freedom to villify those with whose beliefs we do not
agree.
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