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Topic:	Religions > Atheism
User:	"gatekeeper"
Date:	04 Oct 2006 02:39:29 AM
Object:	Re: Gatekeeper to offer evidence of God on 10/4 Bring your questions

gatekeeper wrote:

Free Lunch wrote:

On 26 Sep 2006 18:39:12 -0700, in talk.origins
"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote in
<1159321152.634855.5970@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>:

Free Lunch wrote:

On 25 Sep 2006 22:19:06 -0700, in talk.origins
"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote in
<1159247946.535119.12830@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>:

Free Lunch wrote:

On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 18:27:22 -0400, in talk.origins
"Dan Wood" <danwood34@gmail.com> wrote in
<2JYRg.13014$vi3.6750@bignews3.bellsouth.net>:

"Ye Old One" <usenet@mcsuk.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 19:09:56 -0400, "Dan Wood" <danwood34@gmail.com>
enriched this group when s/he wrote:

"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
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Dan Wood wrote:

[SNIPALOT]

No problem. I am a Christian, but I'm not a creationist. I believe

God

could

have created the universe, planets and life any way he chose. If he

chose

to create through evolution, who am I to dispute the evidence?

Dan Wood, DDS

===>That is a "goddidit" just the same,
though a move in the right direction.
You show that evolution and theism are not
totally incompatible, but do not show any value
to the pseudo-hypothesis of "God". -- L.

You have the right to believe anything that seems
reasonable and logical to you and I wish the best
for you. I hope for the same right for myself.

Until someone demonstrates that there is no God
I have no choice, but to accept God's existence
as a reality. Even so I have no imperative to
convince anyone of the validity of my position.

Dan

That is a slightly mad standpoint to take. Until there is some shread
of evidence for the existance of god(s) then the logical standpoint
woudl be to reject the concept of god(s).

There is evidence which I personally find satisfying.
But I have found that most skeptics demand proof
of God's existence before they are willing to consider
any evidence as potentially evidence for God.
IOW if there is any evidence which proves God
this evidence is inadmissible until God is shown
to exist.

And this, in my opinion, constitutes a hopeless catch - 22
situation.

It would be, if it were true. Offer the evidence. Let us be rational in
accepting it or rejecting it.

Part of the evidence is your inability to be rational, your rational
powers have been corrupted.

Please provide evidence to support your claim.

If the lense on the Hubble was out of
focus, the batteries all dead, would it affect your ability to observe
Andromeda? And yet Andromeda would still be there to be marveled at by
a child on a dark night using simple binoculars. How much more tragic,
that you a supposedly intelligent mature individual would not even lift
your eyes, less you see the stars for the first time, as if they could
not possibly exist.

So, you are back to unthinking assertions and unsupportable claims.

Lift up your eyes all you nations, the King of Kings has entered the
City of God!

The Eastgate is open, the King is in residence! Whomsoever will, may
come in!

So you say, but when asked for help with the evidence, you insult those
who ask you.

I did not hear you asking for help with the evidence. What evidence
are you asking about?

I have asked for evidence to support the claim that "But I have found
that most skeptics demand proof of God's existence before they are
willing to consider any evidence as potentially evidence for God." You
responded with the utterly meaningless "Part of the evidence is your
inability to be rational, your rational powers have been corrupted."

What help are you desiring? If I missed your
question, I apologize, but as you know this is a very busy, noisy
street! Please restate your question, and I will try to listen better!

I am asking for evidence to support the claim that one or more gods
exist and furthermore what evidence can you point to that the particular
god that you believe in exists.

The Eastgate is open, The King is in residence! Whomsoever will may
come in!

Gatekeeper

I am very interested, and willing to answer your questions, but a few
things first!

First, you already have ask more than one question, so I need you to
further explain what is your question, or if you are asking more than
one, that is ok also. However I want you to be clear to yourself, me,
and others, what your questions are!

Second, what sincere response can I expect from you, to my answer. In
other words, is your question sincere, or just conversational. I will
be willing to answer your question either way, but that way there is no
unexpected response from you, that would surprise us both.

Third, I believe the more the merrier, so I would like to suggest that
I not actually answer this question until others who are also
interested, have opportunity to check in, and indicate their interest
as well. That way we can have a real party!

Fourth, in order to accomplish this I would like to move this
discussion to a new thread, that way the discussion is not just between
you and I, lost in this rather large thread!
In fact, I am going to copy your question to a new thread as soon as I
get done here, and then if others want to check in, they could post as
well, possibly indicating the nature of evidence that they would like
to see. That way we could most efficiently answer all of your
questions, and have a single thread to work with. I will have it set up
to cross post to all of the current threads that this thread goes to so
that no one is left out of this grand experiment.

If you have any other suggestions, I would be more than glad to
entertain them on this new thread. I would be prepared to give you an
answer in a week, today being 9/27, so that on 10/04, we could have
everyone happily gathered. If this is suitable to you, please let me
know, on the new thread. I will be looking for your response!

The Eastgate is open, the King is in residence! Whomsoever will, may
come in!

Gatekeeper

Free Lunch wrote,
"I am asking for evidence to support the claim that one or more gods
exist and furthermore what evidence can you point to that the
particular
god that you believe in exists"
This thread was started to answer Free Lunch's questions as restated
above, and my answer simply follows -
You are the evidence that there is one God, only one God, and that this
God is the one God that I believe exists, and is revealed by Jesus, and
the Holy Spirit! This applies to you all as well, that ask this
question, and have so patiently waited for an answer, and even more so
to you all, for the evidence is even that much more multiplied by each
one of you!
As a witness, I have testified of the evidence that I have, it is up to
you to weigh the evidence, as to whether what I say is true or not!
Weigh carefully, for it is your own souls that are in the balance!
The Eastgate is open, the King is in residence! Whomsoever will, may
come in!
Gatekeeper
.

User: "Mark Nutter"
Title: Re: Gatekeeper to offer evidence of God on 10/4 Bring your questions	05 Oct 2006 02:32:56 PM

Gatekeeper wrote:

On 5 Oct 2006 11:03:54 -0700, Mark Nutter wrote:

gatekeeper wrote:

And yet you are the ones that say you do not believe in Him, when He
is, I AM! That is how He referred to Himself, when ask by His
diciples, Whom should we say sent us!

So say the traditions of men. God does not call Himself that. You read
that story from the tradition named "The Book of Exodus," chapter 3,
verse 14.

I am one of His disciples, and I
can only give you the answer He said to give, and that is the evidence
He offers you now, He is, I AM! Now it is up to you to annalyze the
evidence!

You are a disciple of the traditions of men, and the answers you give
come from those traditions. God is not speaking the words you are
putting in His mouth.

Do you expect me to believe that a God who supposedly
destroyed the entire earth by water, turned rivers into blood, and
blotted out the sun so that the whole land was in total darkness, is
such a wimpy weakling today that He could not get my attention if He
made a serious attempt to do so?

Oh, He will get your attention, you shall see Him, and you shall be
changed!

Yeah, no kidding? And when will that be? You keep blaming me for not
seeing Him, and now it turns out He hasn't even given me an opportunity
yet. And guess what, I've got another prophecy for you: He never will.
He can't. He's only a character in the superstitious traditions of men.

Your God simply does not show up. His behavior is not my fault. I don't
control it. I'm not responsible for it.
I've already told you quite a bit about Her, but it's more than you
deserve, frankly. You do not seek the truth, you only want to claim
you've already got it.

God is neither a him nor a her, since male and female are reproductive
roles, and God does not have sex and/or baby gods. It is convenient to
use sexual pronouns just because we're used to them, and since your God
is a Him, it's clearer to call my God "Her," to emphasize the
difference.
My God is infinite, existing at all times and in all places. She is
vast and miniscule, incomprehensible and the source of all
understanding. She is not made in the image of finite man, so it is
necessarily inaccurate to refer to Her as what we think of as a
"person." On the other hand, it is helpful for our limited
understanding to be able to treat Her like a person, so that we're not
overwhelmed by Her infinite nature. Her laws cannot be broken, and She
cannot be manipulated into playing favorites or giving out unearned and
undeserved blessings. She is not hurt or insulted by anyone who fails
or refuses to believe in Her. She sends no one to any Heaven, nor does
She torment them in any Hell. You obey Her laws whether you want to or
not. The only "sin" is to reject Her laws, but since Her laws cannot be
broken, it's a self-punishing sin. You only hurt yourself by resisting
Her.
m
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User: "Pangur Ban"
Title: Re: Gatekeeper to offer evidence of God on 10/4 Bring your questions	05 Oct 2006 08:21:56 PM

"Mark Nutter" <manutter51@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1160076776.782104.34550@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com:

Gatekeeper wrote:

On 5 Oct 2006 11:03:54 -0700, Mark Nutter wrote:

gatekeeper wrote:

God is neither a him nor a her, since male and female are reproductive
roles, and God does not have sex and/or baby gods. It is convenient to
use sexual pronouns just because we're used to them, and since your
God is a Him, it's clearer to call my God "Her," to emphasize the
difference.

My God is infinite, existing at all times and in all places. She is
vast and miniscule, incomprehensible and the source of all
understanding. She is not made in the image of finite man, so it is
necessarily inaccurate to refer to Her as what we think of as a
"person." On the other hand, it is helpful for our limited
understanding to be able to treat Her like a person, so that we're not
overwhelmed by Her infinite nature. Her laws cannot be broken, and She
cannot be manipulated into playing favorites or giving out unearned
and undeserved blessings. She is not hurt or insulted by anyone who
fails or refuses to believe in Her. She sends no one to any Heaven,
nor does She torment them in any Hell. You obey Her laws whether you
want to or not. The only "sin" is to reject Her laws, but since Her
laws cannot be broken, it's a self-punishing sin. You only hurt
yourself by resisting Her.

Could you please give an example of one of Her laws?
Pangur - nonchristian theist
.

User: "Mark Nutter"
Title: Re: Gatekeeper to offer evidence of God on 10/4 Bring your questions	06 Oct 2006 07:36:58 AM

Pangur Ban wrote:

"Mark Nutter" <manutter51@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1160076776.782104.34550@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com:

You obey Her laws whether you
want to or not. The only "sin" is to reject Her laws, but since Her
laws cannot be broken, it's a self-punishing sin. You only hurt
yourself by resisting Her.

Could you please give an example of one of Her laws?

Sure: the law of gravity, Ohm's Law, Newton's Three Laws of Motion,
etc.
m
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User: "Pangur Ban"
Title: Re: Gatekeeper to offer evidence of God on 10/4 Bring your questions	06 Oct 2006 07:50:52 AM

"Mark Nutter" <manutter51@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1160138218.244847.227530@c28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:

Pangur Ban wrote:

"Mark Nutter" <manutter51@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1160076776.782104.34550@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com:

You obey Her laws whether you
want to or not. The only "sin" is to reject Her laws, but since Her
laws cannot be broken, it's a self-punishing sin. You only hurt
yourself by resisting Her.

Could you please give an example of one of Her laws?

Sure: the law of gravity, Ohm's Law, Newton's Three Laws of Motion,
etc.

(compliment) Very clever! I thought you were writing about her; the
laws confirm it. Wonder if GK "got it"?
Pangur - much impressed by your whole post
.

User: "R.S."
Title: Re: Gatekeeper to offer evidence of God on 10/4 Bring your questions	07 Oct 2006 08:24:11 AM

Gatekeeper wrote:

On 5 Oct 2006 11:03:54 -0700, Mark Nutter wrote:

gatekeeper wrote:

Mark Nutter wrote:

gatekeeper wrote:

And so you will have no excuse when you see Him, for you have had many
opportunities to acknowledge Him! However it is still not to late! God
loves you!

What, God's going to punish us for not pretending we could "see" the
Emperor's New Clothes you're trying to pull over our eyes? Some "love"
that is. We do not need any excuses; God acts as though He does not
believe your superstitious traditions, and we are merely following His
example.

You really like that story, even my children understood that the
Emperor had no clothes, however, there was no question that everyone
could see the Emperor. You claim you can not even see Him!

Then your children missed the point, because the point of the story is
that people can be bamboozled into pretending and even believing that
they see something that's not there, if you appeal to their pride. The
crafty tailors fooled the Emperor by claiming that only people with an
important virtue (intelligence, in this case) could see their fabric.
Admitting you couldn't see it was supposed to be shameful, because you
were afraid people would mock you for lacking that virtue.

You keep reminding me of the tailors, because you keep insisting that
you have something that isn't really there, and then accusing us of
some kind of shameful handicap for not "seeing" (or at least pretending
to see) the fine "fabrics" you're displaying for us. Like your
"evidence" that isn't really evidence, where you claim the fault is
entirely ours for not seeing any evidence there.

And yet you are the ones that say you do not believe in Him, when He
is, I AM! That is how He referred to Himself, when ask by His
diciples, Whom should we say sent us! I am one of His disciples, and I
can only give you the answer He said to give, and that is the evidence
He offers you now, He is, I AM! Now it is up to you to annalyze the
evidence!

The point of the Emperor's New Clothes is not about whether or not the
Emperor was really there. According to the story, he was. The reason I
say I do not see your God is because I'm being truthful: He's not
showing up. Do you expect me to believe that a God who supposedly
destroyed the entire earth by water, turned rivers into blood, and
blotted out the sun so that the whole land was in total darkness, is
such a wimpy weakling today that He could not get my attention if He
made a serious attempt to do so?

Oh, He will get your attention, you shall see Him, and you shall be
changed!

Your God simply does not show up. His behavior is not my fault. I don't
control it. I'm not responsible for it.

But you do say you have a relationship with a god, tell me about this
god! Or is he not really someone you can talk about?

I've already told you quite a bit about Her, but it's more than you
deserve, frankly. You do not seek the truth, you only want to claim
you've already got it.

m

So god is a her, that is a start, but I do not see where you have told
me much more than that! Maybe nothing more to tell! I will do more
research later, but my message is still the same, God loves you,

The Eastgate is open, the King is in residence! Whosoever will, may
come in!

Gatekeeper

I Believe in GOD the FATHER ALMIGHTY, (Omnipotent, Omniscient)
MAKER of Heaven and Earth, (CREATOR of All Things)
and in JESUS CHRIST, (The LIVING WORD - HOLY BIBLE - MADE FLESH)
HIS only SON, (ORIGINAL SON)
our LORD, (SAVIOR of our Souls - Conscious Being of Memory and Thought)
WHO was conceived by the HOLY GHOST, (Spirit of Life Essence Itself -
Hovered over the waters)
Born of the Virgin Mary,
Suffered under Pontious Pilate,
Was Crucified, (As Sacrifice to attone (Payment/Punnishment) for every
Evil Thought and Deed we ever did or will do)
Died and was Buried,
HE decended into HELL, (To claim Victory over the Devil - Satan the
Fallen Angel)
On the Third Day HE rose from the Dead, (Main Reason for Believing in
the Christian Faith
- HIS and Our Victory Over Death - Eternal Life of our Spirit and Soul)
HE assended into Heaven,
And sits on the RIGHT HAND (Side)
Of GOD the FATHER ALMIGHTY,

From where HE will judge the Living and the Dead,

*(This is why you want to be Sorry for Every Evil Thought and doing
Every Deed because its the right thing to do,
(IN SPOKEN WORDS)
Ask JESUS for Your Forgivness of these Evil Thoughts and Deeds - SINS
Accept JESUS as your personal LORD (Guide in life) and SAVIOR (of your
Spirit and Soul)
And know in your heart that because you asked, you are forgiven (and
you meant it - which means you don't continue to deliberately SIN -
analogy is how many times can I fool around before you (JESUS) realize
I'm not sincere and divorce me)
I BELIEVE in the HOLY GHOST, (True Penacostal Experience - SEEK AN
Evangelical Pentacostal Church)
The Holy Christian Church, (ALL Christian Believers that have repented
of SINS and ACCEPTED JESUS CHRIST as their personal LORD and SAVIOR)
the Communion of the Saints, (THE REMINDER THAT JESUS CHRIST LIVED,
SUFFERED, DIED, and ROSE AGAIN from the DEAD)
the Forgiveness of Sins, (Through JESUS CHRIST'S Sacrifice of giving
his Life suffering on the Cross (IN WHICH HE NEVER SINED - for
Redemption of Ours SINS - TOOK OUR SINS AS HIS OWN )
And the LIFE Everlasting, (SPIRIT-Life Essence and SOUL-Conscious
Memory and Thought)
AMEN
This is my belief,
I don't demand you to believe what I believe,
I ask you to consider in the span of the time of Forever,
wouldn't you rather have an eternal conscious existence - memory and
thought (forever) (KEEP YOUR SOUL),
than have a short conscious existence (live in FLESH)
for a maximum of say 100 years (a blink of an Eye) then die (LOSE YOUR
SOUL)
compared to Eternity (Forever).
I Believe that the BOOK - RELEASING THE SPIRIT - by WATCHMAN NEE
could explain things better to you, and with an OPEN MIND may even
change
your opinion about CHRISTIANITY and YOUR LIFE in General.
(It's Bible Insights are incredible to say the least)
A Good Audio CD - to Teach you what to do to accept JESUS is
SHARE JESUS WITHOUT FEAR by William Fay
(If you really want to experience what GOD has for your Life,
Pray outloud in JESUS Name that GOD'S WILL be Done on Earth as it is in
Heaven (GOD'S WILL is identified in the Holy Bible and you have the
right to Claim anything that GOD has written in the Bible for yourself
and others - read outloud the exact Bible verse you are claiming)
(A Very Good Reason to Read the Bible)
(So Do Not Pray for your own personal desires but for the WILL of GOD
to Be Done and claim it!)
Put GOD First in Your Life
Attempt to Eliminate your Selfish and Egotistical Mentality, Wrath,
Pride, Greed, Lust, Sloth, Glutony, Envy (Soulishness) and
your Fleshy Desires (experiences of sinful actions of your five senses
- sight, hearing, touch, taste, smell)
(THE ways you SIN)

From Your Life.

Be Kind, with a true concern for the well-being of others, Humble,
considerate, generous in helping others improve their lives. The Bible
book of Proverbs is a good guide to a way of living. You will be
Blessed if you believe this to be true.
I don't condemn anyone for having their own opinion, so I would hope
you might allow me the same consideration.
Another Inspiring BOOK - The Heavenly Man - by Brother Yun and Paul
Hattaway
(True Story of Christian Brother Yun)
I Hope You the very best always, whether or not you agree with me, and
wish you and you family a Blessed Life.
Sincerely, A Christian
Remember the Holy Bible is
History - HIS STORY
and the most widely distributed Book in the World!
How did it get to be so? IT"S THE TRUTH and also the SPIRIT of GOD!
You be the Judge!
.

User: "Earle Jones"
Title: Re: Gatekeeper to offer evidence of God on 10/4 Bring your questions	07 Oct 2006 07:00:43 PM

In article <1160227451.299373.249920@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>,
"R.S." <rand@hickorytech.net> wrote:

Gatekeeper wrote:

On 5 Oct 2006 11:03:54 -0700, Mark Nutter wrote:

gatekeeper wrote:

Mark Nutter wrote:

gatekeeper wrote:

And so you will have no excuse when you see Him, for you have had
many
opportunities to acknowledge Him! However it is still not to late!
God
loves you!

[...]
*
Sorry that I was offline on 10/4. Could someone please send me the
"evidence of God" that Gatekeeper posted?
Thanks,
earle
*
.

User: "Mark Nutter"
Title: Re: Gatekeeper to offer evidence of God on 10/4 Bring your questions	07 Oct 2006 07:47:40 PM

Earle Jones wrote:

Sorry that I was offline on 10/4. Could someone please send me the
"evidence of God" that Gatekeeper posted?

He said, and I quote,
"You are the evidence that there is one God, only one God, and that
this
God is the one God that I believe exists, and is revealed by Jesus, and
the Holy Spirit!"
That was it. He has since admitted that
"I obviscated [obfuscated?], in order to hide my
real intention in presenting evidence, was to draw you all out from
your hiding places, and 'make you put your money where your mouth is!'"
Evidently he was fantasizing that we were all timidly cowering and
hiding, and had to be tricked into openly confronting his "evidence."
He also had this idea that we would blindly mock whatever evidence he
presented to us, and so he was going to trick us again by offering us
ourselves as evidence of his God, so that if we mocked his evidence,
we'd be mocking ourselves:
"I realize that you would love to have some bit of evidence that you
could point at and mock, and say see he has nothing, because we can
discount anything he presents us with! The only problem with that, is
that by presenting you as the evidence, you are not willing to mock
yourselves, or discount yourself as nothing."
So this was all a carefully orchestrated plot to act out some kind of
melodramatic psychodrama in which he got to play the role of the
devious puppetmaster and the rest of us were supposed to dangle
helplessly from his strings. Only it didn't work out that way because
several people noticed his failure to deliver any genuine evidence, as
promised. ;-)
Since then he's been twisting in the wind, trying to find some way to
blame the rest of us for failing to do the necessary grunt work to dig
up the purported evidence which would vindicate him and prove ourselves
wrong. He's also pointedly ignoring numerous attempts to clarify for
him exactly what kind of evidence would be genuinely convincing,
prefering instead to claim that nobody has ever asked him for anything
other than what he has given.
It's been quite the sideshow, really. :-D
m
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User: "gatekeeper"
Title: Re: Gatekeeper to offer evidence of God on 10/4 Bring your questions	08 Oct 2006 03:41:43 AM

Mark Nutter wrote:

Earle Jones wrote:

Sorry that I was offline on 10/4. Could someone please send me the
"evidence of God" that Gatekeeper posted?

He said, and I quote,

"You are the evidence that there is one God, only one God, and that
this
God is the one God that I believe exists, and is revealed by Jesus, and
the Holy Spirit!"

That was it. He has since admitted that

"I obviscated [obfuscated?], in order to hide my
real intention in presenting evidence, was to draw you all out from
your hiding places, and 'make you put your money where your mouth is!'"

Evidently he was fantasizing that we were all timidly cowering and
hiding, and had to be tricked into openly confronting his "evidence."
He also had this idea that we would blindly mock whatever evidence he
presented to us, and so he was going to trick us again by offering us
ourselves as evidence of his God, so that if we mocked his evidence,
we'd be mocking ourselves:

"I realize that you would love to have some bit of evidence that you
could point at and mock, and say see he has nothing, because we can
discount anything he presents us with! The only problem with that, is
that by presenting you as the evidence, you are not willing to mock
yourselves, or discount yourself as nothing."

So this was all a carefully orchestrated plot to act out some kind of
melodramatic psychodrama in which he got to play the role of the
devious puppetmaster and the rest of us were supposed to dangle
helplessly from his strings. Only it didn't work out that way because
several people noticed his failure to deliver any genuine evidence, as
promised. ;-)

Since then he's been twisting in the wind, trying to find some way to
blame the rest of us for failing to do the necessary grunt work to dig
up the purported evidence which would vindicate him and prove ourselves
wrong. He's also pointedly ignoring numerous attempts to clarify for
him exactly what kind of evidence would be genuinely convincing,
prefering instead to claim that nobody has ever asked him for anything
other than what he has given.

It's been quite the sideshow, really. :-D

m

You ask a general question for evidence, I offered you general
evidence! If that was not what you really wanted, that is not my
problem!
I have also since offered you and others the opportunity to restate
your request, and I will do my best to offer you specific evidence to
meet your criteria, which I can only guess at. I could guess at your
criteria for a long time, and never arrive at anything acceptable to
you. For this reason, I am asking you to provide a specific request!
I would think that you as an apostate believer, could come up with a
serious question, that I could not answer, but so far all you have
done is whined about my previous offering, which was based on your (or
I should say FL's) rather poorly stated initial request. I also during
that week long waiting period spoke often to you in particular, and
reminded you and others to state your request, which none of you did.
I needled you with my continual reminding of the upcoming date, and all
you did was play games as if you were some sort of prophet. You were
so busy playing around, you failed to see the weakness of your
position. Some even worried more about their popcorn!
So I again encourage you to ask your questions, which Scripture has
stated, that I should be ready to give an answer for the Hope that is
in me, but you must ask your question! I continue to look forward to
your sincere question, which I will answer only on alt.bible, since one
of the accusations has been that I am trolling, and wasting bandwidth
with the cross-posting! So with this post, I am giving notice that I
will answer questions posted only on alt.bible, and will only post my
answer on alt.bible!
I will do my best to give you an answer for the hope that is in me, and
as always, I am glad to announce,
The Eastgate is open, the King is in residence! Whomsoever will, may
come in!
Gatekeeper
.

User: "Earle Jones"
Title: Re: Gatekeeper to offer evidence of God on 10/4 Bring your questions	08 Oct 2006 02:41:22 PM

In article <1160296902.964299.170430@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote:

Mark Nutter wrote:

Earle Jones wrote:

Sorry that I was offline on 10/4. Could someone please send me the
"evidence of God" that Gatekeeper posted?

He said, and I quote,

"You are the evidence that there is one God, only one God, and that
this
God is the one God that I believe exists, and is revealed by Jesus, and
the Holy Spirit!"

*
Me??
You mean that I, Earle Douglas Jones, formerly of Birmingham,
Alabama and now living in northern California am the evidence that
there is on God as revealed by Jesus?
Holy *****!
If I had known that, I would have put on a clean shirt.
earle
*
.

User: "Michael Gray"
Title: Re: Gatekeeper to offer evidence of God on 10/4 Bring your questions	08 Oct 2006 05:08:23 PM

On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 12:41:22 -0700, Earle Jones
<earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote:
- Refer: <earle.jones-F62F84.12412208102006@netnews.comcast.net>

In article <1160296902.964299.170430@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote:

Mark Nutter wrote:

Earle Jones wrote:

Sorry that I was offline on 10/4. Could someone please send me the
"evidence of God" that Gatekeeper posted?

He said, and I quote,

"You are the evidence that there is one God, only one God, and that
this
God is the one God that I believe exists, and is revealed by Jesus, and
the Holy Spirit!"

*
Me??

You mean that I, Earle Douglas Jones, formerly of Birmingham,
Alabama and now living in northern California am the evidence that
there is on God as revealed by Jesus?

Holy *****!

If I had known that, I would have put on a clean shirt.

earle
*

I hope that doesn't mean I now have to worship you.
(No offence, your eternal majesty!)
.

User: "Ye Old One"
Title: Re:Gatekeeper failed to offer evidence of God on 4/10 - Now condemned as a troll.	08 Oct 2006 04:17:27 AM

On 8 Oct 2006 01:41:43 -0700, "gatekeeper"
<gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:

You ask a general question for evidence, I offered you general
evidence!

Stupid lying troll.
--
Bob.
.

User: "gatekeeper"
Title: Re: Re:Gatekeeper failed to offer evidence of God on 4/10 - Now condemned as a troll.	08 Oct 2006 07:43:17 AM

Ye Old One wrote:

On 8 Oct 2006 01:41:43 -0700, "gatekeeper"
<gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:

You ask a general question for evidence, I offered you general
evidence!

Stupid lying troll.

--
Bob.

Bob, who goes by the nym, Ye Old One, I know that you think that I am a
"stupid lying troll!" Please be assured that I am neither, stupid,
lying, or a troll!
The fact that those who ask questions of me, did not phrase their
questions wisely is not my problem. That you did not even take time to
phrase a question at all, and only showed up to enjoy the party, does
not guarantee you anything! If anyone is Lazy, apparently a fool, and
obviously a liar, it is you, who's father is the father of lies. That
you then try to whine and complain to gain an audience, indicates how
uncouth are your lies! Which you even now demonstrate to all with your
denigrating post!
In spite of this, I have offered you the opportunity to resubmit your
question to me, even yet, and you have yet to take advantage of my
offer. Demonstating again the deceitfulness of sin, and the darkness
that can consume a mind! I would encourage you to consider the Love of
God, for which you so desparately need to have your sin removed as far
as the East is from the West, and to Know the Love of God that passes
understanding! I know that He Loves you, and I Love you in Christ! My
answer to you continuing to post the post for which you seem so fond,
is to take the oportunity that presents itself with each of your post,
to tell you and all that hear, that God Loves you, and I Love you with
the Love of Christ, who came, died, was resurrected, and is now
ascended to the Throne of the Father.
You can call me a stupid, lying troll all you want, and that will not
change God's Love for you, or my Love for you! He Died for me as well,
and now it is with total Joy, that I rejoice to serve Him! If I am to
bear some shame, dishonor, or stripes for Him, what is a little name
calling, but the fulfilment of my greatest Joy. This is music to my
ears, for He gave Himself for me, who had nothing to give in return.
What shall it profit a man to gain the whole world, and lose his own
soul!
On the other hand, he is no fool, who gives what he can not keep, to
gain what he can not lose! I have gained Life everlasting and full of
Joy, what is it that I should bear your insults! For the scriptures say
in so doing I am completing the suffering of Christ! And this is the
highest calling for those of us who call ourselves by His Name, even
Christ our Lord! Hallelujah! Amen!
The Eastgate is open, the King is in residence! Whomsoever will, may
come in!
Gatekeeper
.

User: "Earle Jones"
Title: Re: Gatekeeper failed to offer evidence of God on 4/10 - Now condemned as a troll.	08 Oct 2006 02:42:38 PM

In article <1160311397.416049.266680@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote:

Ye Old One wrote:

On 8 Oct 2006 01:41:43 -0700, "gatekeeper"
<gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:

You ask a general question for evidence, I offered you general
evidence!

Stupid lying troll.

--
Bob.

Bob, who goes by the nym, Ye Old One, I know that you think that I am a
"stupid lying troll!" Please be assured that I am neither, stupid,
lying, or a troll!

*
I'll buy two out of three -- you are not a troll or lying.
earle
*
.

User: "Mark Nutter"
Title: Re: Gatekeeper failed to offer evidence of God on 4/10 - Now condemned as a troll.	08 Oct 2006 02:58:47 PM

Earle Jones wrote:

In article <1160311397.416049.266680@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote:

Bob, who goes by the nym, Ye Old One, I know that you think that I am a
"stupid lying troll!" Please be assured that I am neither, stupid,
lying, or a troll!

*
I'll buy two out of three -- you are not a troll or lying.

I'll even go so far as to say I don't believe GK is particularly
stupid. His arguments are fairly pathetic, but then again, he's got the
task of proving, by talk alone, that his God is real, in the absence of
any behavior on God's part that would be consistent with that
proposition. That would be a tall order even for a genius to undertake.
Small wonder an ordinary guy would fall short.
You may think he's foolish to have bought into that in the first place,
but having come from a fervent Christian background myself, I would
have a lot more sympathy. You don't choose your mate based on cold,
unfeeling rational analysis, and you don't choose your God that way
either, at least in most cases. I have been among the harshest critics
of GK's arguments and tactics, however I respect that he is an ordinary
guy trying to do the best he can with what he's got. I try to expose
the flaws in his beliefs, in case it helps him or anyone else to repent
of putting their faith in the superstitious traditions of men, but I do
not condemn GK himself. Perhaps he will find his way to the truth some
day. It happened to me.
m
.

User: "Earle Jones"
Title: Re: Gatekeeper failed to offer evidence of God on 4/10 - Now condemned as a troll.	08 Oct 2006 05:25:30 PM

In article <1160337527.790678.149700@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Mark Nutter" <manutter51@yahoo.com> wrote:

Earle Jones wrote:

In article <1160311397.416049.266680@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote:

Bob, who goes by the nym, Ye Old One, I know that you think that I am a
"stupid lying troll!" Please be assured that I am neither, stupid,
lying, or a troll!

*
I'll buy two out of three -- you are not a troll or lying.

***
In my case, I chose my mate by force of testosterone, and my God by
logic. Around the age of 18, my science education came into violent
conflict with my Sunday School indoctrination. One of them had to
be wrong. The decision was not all that difficult.
***

I have been among the harshest critics
of GK's arguments and tactics, however I respect that he is an ordinary
guy trying to do the best he can with what he's got. I try to expose
the flaws in his beliefs, in case it helps him or anyone else to repent
of putting their faith in the superstitious traditions of men, but I do
not condemn GK himself. Perhaps he will find his way to the truth some
day. It happened to me.

m

***
I'm glad that you were 'saved'!
earle
*
.

User: "Mark Nutter"
Title: Re: Gatekeeper failed to offer evidence of God on 4/10 - Now condemned as a troll.	08 Oct 2006 07:00:08 PM

Earle Jones wrote:

In article <1160337527.790678.149700@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Mark Nutter" <manutter51@yahoo.com> wrote:

I'll buy that, but I think that makes you an exceptional person,
relatively speaking. ;)

***

***
I'm glad that you were 'saved'!

So'm I brutha. So'm I.
m
.

User: "Ye Old One"
Title: Re: Re: Gatekeeper failed to offer evidence of God on 4/10 - Now condemned as a troll.	09 Oct 2006 04:55:00 AM

On 8 Oct 2006 17:00:08 -0700, "Mark Nutter" <manutter51@yahoo.com>
enriched this group when s/he wrote:

Earle Jones wrote:

In article <1160337527.790678.149700@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Mark Nutter" <manutter51@yahoo.com> wrote:

I'll buy that, but I think that makes you an exceptional person,
relatively speaking. ;)

I saw the light when I was 13. Until then I had gone to church at
least once every sunday and often during the week as well. But as I
learned more and more about the real world, religion stopped giving
the answers and science took over.
I'm glad neither of my children were exposed to the lies of the church
during their impressionable period.
--
Bob.
.

User: "Ye Old One"
Title: Re:Gatekeeper failed to offer evidence of God on 4/10 - Now condemned as a troll.	08 Oct 2006 09:46:45 AM

On 8 Oct 2006 05:43:17 -0700, "gatekeeper"
<gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:

Ye Old One wrote:

On 8 Oct 2006 01:41:43 -0700, "gatekeeper"
<gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:

You ask a general question for evidence, I offered you general
evidence!

Stupid lying troll.

--
Bob.

Bob, who goes by the nym, Ye Old One, I know that you think that I am a
"stupid lying troll!" Please be assured that I am neither, stupid,
lying, or a troll!

Then prove everyone wrong and at least make an attempt to post some
evidence for the existance of god(s).

The fact that those who ask questions of me, did not phrase their
questions wisely is not my problem.

What can be simpler "post some evidence for the existance of god(s)?"

That you did not even take time to
phrase a question at all,

There was no need to question you, not until AFTER you posted the
evidence you claimed would prove the existanc eof god(s).

and only showed up to enjoy the party, does
not guarantee you anything! If anyone is Lazy, apparently a fool, and
obviously a liar, it is you, who's father is the father of lies. That
you then try to whine and complain to gain an audience, indicates how
uncouth are your lies! Which you even now demonstrate to all with your
denigrating post!

Oh do look at the troll trying to dig his way out of the hole he fell
in :)
You made a rod for your own back when you claimed you were going to
post evidence for the existance of god(s). You have been given ample
opportunity to either retract your claim or to post some evidence for
the existance of god(s).
Clearly you have no evidence or you would have posted it by now.
Result: you are either a liar, a troll, stupid - or more likely it
seems a mix of all three.

In spite of this, I have offered you the opportunity to resubmit your
question to me, even yet, and you have yet to take advantage of my
offer.

Lying stupid troll.
[snip more of his rubbish]
--
Bob.
.

User: "Mark Nutter"
Title: Re: Re:Gatekeeper failed to offer evidence of God on 4/10 - Now condemned as a troll.	08 Oct 2006 09:42:24 AM

gatekeeper wrote:

The fact that those who ask questions of me, did not phrase their
questions wisely is not my problem.

You might as well admit that you're just looking for excuses to ignore
the clear, specific, and unanswerable challenges you've been given in
response to your claims of evidence. You really are not fooling anyone
with this "everyone is wrong but me" schtick. You claimed you had
evidence, and when you posted what you had, not even you could see any
way in which it supported your claim. You just started right in with
the badmouthing. But you didn't fool anybody, and you still don't.
Every fraud blames his victims. Your Emperor is naked, and your
attempts to belittle us cannot drown out the snickers.
m
.

User: "William T. Goat"
Title: Re: Gatekeeper to offer evidence of God on 10/4 Bring your questions	08 Oct 2006 10:11:20 PM

gatekeeper wrote:

Please provide evidence that I was not created by the gods of the Hindu
religion.
--Billy
.

User: "gatekeeper"
Title: Re: Gatekeeper to offer evidence of God on 10/4 Bring your questions	08 Oct 2006 10:19:22 PM

William T. Goat wrote:

gatekeeper wrote:

Please provide evidence that I was not created by the gods of the Hindu
religion.

--Billy

Please note that I have said I will only answer questions posted
directly on alt.bible, not cross posted, and I will only post my answer
on alt.bible. Please repost your request only on alt.bible, and I will
be glad to give you a response!
The Eastgate is open, the King is in Residence! Whomsoever will, may
come in!
Gatekeeper
.

User: "Ye Old One"
Title: Re: Gatekeeper failed to offer evidence of god on 4/10 - Now stands exposed as a lying troll.	09 Oct 2006 03:02:35 AM

On 8 Oct 2006 20:19:22 -0700, "gatekeeper"
<gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:

William T. Goat wrote:

gatekeeper wrote:

Please provide evidence that I was not created by the gods of the Hindu
religion.

--Billy

Oh dear - look at the stupid little troll ducking for cover. Like all
troll he exhibits a total inability to face the truth and admit he
lied to people on an open newsgroup.
--
Bob.
.

User: "Michael Gray"
Title: Re: Gatekeeper failed to offer evidence of god on 4/10 - Now stands exposed as a lying troll.	10 Oct 2006 06:12:07 AM

On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 08:02:35 GMT, Ye Old One <usenet@mcsuk.net> wrote:
- Refer: <qb0ki21upm5ggjum8vs14fdk7t47160rv0@4ax.com>

On 8 Oct 2006 20:19:22 -0700, "gatekeeper"
<gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:

William T. Goat wrote:

gatekeeper wrote:

Please provide evidence that I was not created by the gods of the Hindu
religion.

--Billy

Oh dear - look at the stupid little troll ducking for cover. Like all
troll he exhibits a total inability to face the truth and admit he
lied to people on an open newsgroup.

This friggin' lunatic may actually be so off-the-planet that he
actually has no conscious recognition of any form of reality,
including that he has been caught out committing the most juvenile
fraud.
"My dog at my proof of god, honest"
May Almighty Bob save us all from this kind of sick individual.
.

User: "Ye Old One"
Title: Re: Re: Gatekeeper failed to offer evidence of god on 4/10 - Now stands exposed as a lying troll.	10 Oct 2006 06:30:41 AM

On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 20:42:07 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:

On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 08:02:35 GMT, Ye Old One <usenet@mcsuk.net> wrote:
- Refer: <qb0ki21upm5ggjum8vs14fdk7t47160rv0@4ax.com>

On 8 Oct 2006 20:19:22 -0700, "gatekeeper"
<gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:

William T. Goat wrote:

gatekeeper wrote:

Please provide evidence that I was not created by the gods of the Hindu
religion.

--Billy

Oh dear - look at the stupid little troll ducking for cover. Like all
trolls he exhibits a total inability to face the truth and admit he
lied to people on an open newsgroup.

This friggin' lunatic may actually be so off-the-planet that he
actually has no conscious recognition of any form of reality,
including that he has been caught out committing the most juvenile
fraud.

"My dog at my proof of god, honest"

May Almighty Bob save us all from this kind of sick individual.

Wish I could :)
Beleive me, if I could wave a wand and make religion vanish from this
planet then I would. It is long past the time that mankind should have
put the childish notions of religion far behind him.
--
Bob.
.

User: "Michael Gray"
Title: Re: Gatekeeper failed to offer evidence of god on 4/10 - Now stands exposed as a lying troll.	10 Oct 2006 07:20:15 AM

On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:30:41 GMT, Ye Old One <usenet@mcsuk.net> wrote:
- Refer: <8s0ni29i95vo2ec2lgce7hh2dlud52u3g2@4ax.com>

On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 20:42:07 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:

On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 08:02:35 GMT, Ye Old One <usenet@mcsuk.net> wrote:
- Refer: <qb0ki21upm5ggjum8vs14fdk7t47160rv0@4ax.com>

On 8 Oct 2006 20:19:22 -0700, "gatekeeper"
<gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:

William T. Goat wrote:

gatekeeper wrote:

Please provide evidence that I was not created by the gods of the Hindu
religion.

--Billy

Oh dear - look at the stupid little troll ducking for cover. Like all
trolls he exhibits a total inability to face the truth and admit he
lied to people on an open newsgroup.

This friggin' lunatic may actually be so off-the-planet that he
actually has no conscious recognition of any form of reality,
including that he has been caught out committing the most juvenile
fraud.

"My dog at my proof of god, honest"

May Almighty Bob save us all from this kind of sick individual.

Wish I could :)

Beleive me, if I could wave a wand and make religion vanish from this
planet then I would. It is long past the time that mankind should have
put the childish notions of religion far behind him.

That was supposed to be:
"My dog ATE my proof of god, honest", of course...
.

User: "gatekeeper"
Title: Re: Gatekeeper failed to offer evidence of god on 4/10 - Now stands exposed as a lying troll.	09 Oct 2006 11:26:02 PM

Ye Old One wrote:

On 8 Oct 2006 20:19:22 -0700, "gatekeeper"
<gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:

snip

Oh dear - look at the stupid little troll ducking for cover. Like all
troll he exhibits a total inability to face the truth and admit he
lied to people on an open newsgroup.

--
Bob.

Bob, who goes by the nym, Ye Old One, I know that you think that I am a
"stupid lying troll!" Please be assured that I am neither, stupid,
lying, or a troll!
The fact that those who ask questions of me, did not phrase their
questions wisely is not my problem. That you did not even take time to
phrase a question at all, and only showed up to enjoy the party, does
not guarantee you anything! If anyone is Lazy, apparently a fool, and
obviously a liar, it is you, who's father is the father of lies. That
you then try to whine and complain to gain an audience, indicates how
uncouth are your lies! Which you even now demonstrate to all with your
denigrating post!
In spite of this, I have offered you the opportunity to resubmit your
question to me, even yet, and you have yet to take advantage of my
offer. Demonstating again the deceitfulness of sin, and the darkness
that can consume a mind! I would encourage you to consider the Love of
God, for which you so desparately need to have your sin removed as far
as the East is from the West, and to Know the Love of God that passes
understanding! I know that He Loves you, and I Love you in Christ! My
answer to you for continuing to post the post for which you seem so
fond,
is to take the oportunity that presents itself with each of your post,
to tell you and all that hear, that God Loves you, and I Love you with
the Love of Christ, who came, died, was resurrected, and is now
ascended to the Throne of the Father.
You can call me a stupid, lying troll all you want, and that will not
change God's Love for you, or my Love for you! He Died for me as well,
and now it is with total Joy, that I rejoice to serve Him! If I am to
bear some shame, dishonor, or stripes for Him, what is a little name
calling, but the fulfilment of my greatest Joy. This is music to my
ears, for He gave Himself for me, who had nothing to give in return.
What shall it profit a man to gain the whole world, and lose his own
soul!
On the other hand, he is no fool, who gives what he can not keep, to
gain what he can not lose! I have gained Life everlasting and full of
Joy, what is it that I should bear your insults! For the scriptures say
in so doing I am completing the suffering of Christ! And this is the
highest calling for those of us who call ourselves by His Name, even
Christ our Lord! Hallelujah! Amen!
The Eastgate is open, the King is in residence! Whomsoever will, may
come in!
Gatekeeper
.

User: "Mark Nutter"
Title: Re: Gatekeeper failed to offer evidence of god on 4/10 - Now stands exposed as a lying troll.	10 Oct 2006 05:33:14 AM

gatekeeper wrote:

You sure your a gatekeeper? You act like you think you're some kind of
despotic ringmaster, cracking the whip and demanding that we all jump
through hoops before you will condescend to dole out obscure little
hints which might, if we all work hard enough, give us the opportunity
to create for ourselves what you promised you would give to us.
Ye Olde One has pointed out to you many times that you did not include
any actual evidence in what you delivered. It was only after you
repeatedly failed to correct this situation (or even to acknowledge it)
that he began to mock you.
In the spirit of Proverbs 26:5, I will now give you not just evidence
but PROOF that you have been deceived by the superstitious traditions
of men. Insects. Insects are the proof that your traditions are
superstitious and false, and that you are heedlessly following the
ignorant feelings and imaginations of the heart.

In spite of this, I have offered you the opportunity to resubmit your
question to me, even yet, and you have yet to take advantage of my
offer.

Yeah, hop through that hoop! Sit up! Roll over! Do your tricks well,
like a good trained monkey, and *maybe* GK will drop another vague,
obscure hint so that he can put a little variety into his claims that
you are not working hard enough to prove yourself wrong and to
vindicate his traditions for him.

Demonstating again the deceitfulness of sin, and the darkness
that can consume a mind!

Yeah, we can all see the deceit.

I would encourage you to consider the Love of
God, for which you so desparately need to have your sin removed as far
as the East is from the West, and to Know the Love of God that passes
understanding! I know that He Loves you, and I Love you in Christ!

Then why don't you make it easier for him to do that? You know what the
most basic and obvious evidence would be if your God were really true.
Why don't you show him that evidence? Why are you imposing arbitrary
demands, and railing against him for failing to undertake whatever work
it is that you won't tell us how to do? Why do you offer us only the
superstitious traditions and reasonings of men? Have you no actual God
to show us, for us to believe in?

My
answer to you for continuing to post the post for which you seem so
fond,
is to take the oportunity that presents itself with each of your post,
to tell you and all that hear, that God Loves you, and I Love you with
the Love of Christ, who came, died, was resurrected, and is now
ascended to the Throne of the Father.

But we already know that men teach the superstitious traditions of
other men. You demonstrate only that you have put your faith in men and
their traditions. Why do you not show us this God which you claim is so
loving and powerful? If He's as loving and wise and powerful as you
claim, why can't He tolerate spending any time with us in
objectively-real, tangible, two-way face-to-face visible and audible
interaction? Is He simply unable to do so? But that would contradict
the traditions of men which you hold forth so earnestly.
You claim to want to present evidence of your God, but all you actually
deliver is consistent evidence that whatever God there may be is not a
God who believes in your tales.

You can call me a stupid, lying troll all you want, and that will not
change God's Love for you, or my Love for you! He Died for me as well,
and now it is with total Joy, that I rejoice to serve Him!

Too bad you seem unable to supplement that "total Joy" with a little
genuine evidence.

If I am to
bear some shame, dishonor, or stripes for Him, what is a little name
calling, but the fulfilment of my greatest Joy. This is music to my
ears, for He gave Himself for me, who had nothing to give in return.
What shall it profit a man to gain the whole world, and lose his own
soul!

What does it profit a man to despise what he really has, and trade it
for the fantasies and self-deceptions of superstitious men? The men in
whose promises you trust have no power to fulfill them, either to bless
you or to curse those who oppose you. Most of them are now dead, and
have no power to do anything, good or evil. We ask you for the evidence
you promised, and you deliver only the empty words of men, and call
them God's words, as if to prove that you cannot tell the difference.
You testify, and your testimony confirms that I am correct in
everything I say about your traditions and your faith in them.

On the other hand, he is no fool, who gives what he can not keep, to
gain what he can not lose!

The man who originally said that died young, trusting in the promises
of other dead men who have no power to deliver what they promised. Any
more than you have the power to deliver the genuine evidence you
promised.

I have gained Life everlasting and full of
Joy, what is it that I should bear your insults! For the scriptures say
in so doing I am completing the suffering of Christ! And this is the
highest calling for those of us who call ourselves by His Name, even
Christ our Lord! Hallelujah! Amen!

You have gained the superstitious traditions of men who have no power
to bestow eternal life. You have gained the power to delude yourself,
and cause yourself to think you are seeing and hearing what is not
physically there. You have gained the power to convince yourself that
you're so much better off than we are, even though you lack the power
to admit that you are doing so. And for this you give praises to a god
made in your own image, in the image of men, who does not even have the
power to show up and speak for Himself.
m
.

User: "Michael Gray"
Title: Re: Gatekeeper to offer evidence of God on 10/4 Bring your questions	09 Oct 2006 04:40:05 PM

On 8 Oct 2006 20:19:22 -0700, "gatekeeper"
<gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1160363962.284115.229690@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>

William T. Goat wrote:

gatekeeper wrote:

Please provide evidence that I was not created by the gods of the Hindu
religion.

--Billy

What a pathetic excuse to avoid even the flimsiest scrutiny, you
craven coward.
Your fellow deludees must be cringing with embarrassment.
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User: "gatekeeper"
Title: Re: Gatekeeper to offer evidence of God on 10/4 Bring your questions	09 Oct 2006 11:16:37 PM

Michael Gray wrote:

On 8 Oct 2006 20:19:22 -0700, "gatekeeper"
<gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote:
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William T. Goat wrote:

gatekeeper wrote:

Please provide evidence that I was not created by the gods of the Hindu
religion.

--Billy

What a pathetic excuse to avoid even the flimsiest scrutiny, you
craven coward.
Your fellow deludees must be cringing with embarrassment.

I will post here, using your cross posted groups, since you seem to
feel that I am afraid of meeting you on level ground! There is no
fear, or intimidation for I know who is on my side! The King of Glory
is on my side, He is on my right hand and my left. You do not fight
me, but you are fignting Him, who someday you shall stand before and
give account! Then you will have all the evidence that you demand of
Him now! I hope you have all your cute little answers written down on
your crib sheet, you will need them! In the future, I will only answer
you on alt.bible Thank you for your interest! God Loves you, and I Love
you in Christ, seek Him while He may yet be found,
The Eastgate is open, the King is in residence! Whosoever will, may
come in!
Gatekeeper
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User: "Michael Gray"
Title: Re: Gatekeeper to offer evidence of God on 10/4 Bring your questions	10 Oct 2006 06:08:38 AM

On 9 Oct 2006 21:16:37 -0700, "gatekeeper"
<gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote:
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Michael Gray wrote:

On 8 Oct 2006 20:19:22 -0700, "gatekeeper"
<gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1160363962.284115.229690@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>

William T. Goat wrote:

gatekeeper wrote:

Please provide evidence that I was not created by the gods of the Hindu
religion.

--Billy

What a pathetic excuse to avoid even the flimsiest scrutiny, you
craven coward.
Your fellow deludees must be cringing with embarrassment.

I will post here, using your cross posted groups, since you seem to
feel that I am afraid of meeting you on level ground!

An atheist made you change what is laughingly referred to as your
"mind", eh?
Wonders will never cease.

There is no
fear, or intimidation for I know who is on my side!

Elvis?

The King of Glory
is on my side, He is on my right hand and my left.

Fat Elvis!

You do not fight
me,

Correct, for a change.

but you are fignting Him,

Fat Elvis?
I don't do Sumo any more.

who someday you shall stand before and
give account!

Visa, or Mastercard?

Then you will have all the evidence that you demand of
Him now!

You shameless perpetual lying *****.

I hope you have all your cute little answers written down on
your crib sheet, you will need them!