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19 Jul 2005 08:40:16 PM |
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Re: Gay marriage "rights" |
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:02:53 GMT, "Preacher of Righteousness"
<Preacher of Righteousness@christ.com> wrote:
Now, we know a couple, lesbians together for 25 years, who have three
kids (now all teens). Both women carried in turn, and the sperm was
donated by family friends.
Still obscene bastards who were spawned by evil immoral conception and
birth.
Somebody sounds jealous!
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| User: "JohnN" |
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| Title: Re: Gay marriage "rights" |
20 Jul 2005 10:19:31 AM |
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And God has yet to smite them all.
JohnN
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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20 Jul 2005 04:03:05 PM |
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"JohnN" <jnorris53@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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And God has yet to smite them all.
JohnN
Maybe his smiter is broken.
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| User: "thomas p" |
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21 Jul 2005 02:04:32 AM |
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On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:03:05 GMT, "Andrealphus"
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"JohnN" <jnorris53@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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And God has yet to smite them all.
JohnN
Maybe his smiter is broken.
He's too busy torturing children.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "Matty" |
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22 Jul 2005 04:50:10 AM |
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On 2005-07-21 19:04:32 +1200, thomas p <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> said:
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:03:05 GMT, "Andrealphus"
<NOREALEMAIL2@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:
"JohnN" <jnorris53@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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And God has yet to smite them all.
JohnN
Maybe his smiter is broken.
He's too busy torturing children.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
Either that or hanging out with his boyfriend ;-)
Matty
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| User: "øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton" |
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22 Jul 2005 12:16:18 AM |
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Rabbinical punishment for homosexual acts was to have the man go roll in
the snow...
Which reminds me of the scenes in the film "Yossi & Jagger" - A
brilliant film and a must see.
http://bangitout.com/tribeca2003/yossi.html
The Tribeca Film Festival 2003
or Robert De Niro has a rabbinic goatee Festival
Yossi and Jagger by isaac galena
A Jerusalem cab at 4 AM: A friend and I, in our drunken state, suddenly
burst into song as Elton John's "Tiny Dancer" came on the late night
Israeli radio waves. In true "Almost Famous" fashion (minus Kate Hudson)
we sung our inebriated hearts out, (that is until a homeless man threw a
shekel at us). And as the cab pulled up to our stop, the Israeli driver
turned to us and asked us seriously "Slicha, Atem Homo?" - translated,
"Excuse me, are you guys homosexuals?"
It comes as no surprise that homosexuality in Israeli society is
becoming more and more prevalent and accepted. With the secular
anti-religious political party, Shinui, becoming the country's majority,
Israelis have extended a fluorescent welcome bouquet to the gay
community - which finally may begin to explain all the rampant skin
tight pants wearing in Tel Aviv. But what about gays in the Israeli
military? You don't hear too much about that coming out of Israel.
Actually, there isn't anything really much to talk about. Israel has
become one of the most liberal countries in the world when it comes to
allowing gays in the military. Ironically "Being Gay" used to be the old
comic excuse to get out of doing military service, nowadays, being gay
doesn't mean Jack (Will & Grace pun intended).
So why is there such a controversial buzz surrounding "Yossi and
Jagger", the critically acclaimed Israeli film about a secret gay
relationship among two Israeli soldiers if the novelty of "Gay
Relationships" in Israel is so pass?? Why is this film in contention to
win Best Picture at the Tribeca Film festival? Why is there "Standing
Room Only" in this packed Tribeca film house, which I find myself in
currently? Isn't Gay Film so last week?
After seeing the movie, it is simple. This film touches on issues far
beyond just being gay and in the army and in love. Sure the PR sells it
as a full throttle gay flick, however, the real reason why this movie
was introduced to Tribeca as "The Gem of the Festival" is because it
finally introduces the liberal anti-Israel Free-Palestine world to the
face of the Israeli Soldier, and guess what? It's kinda hard to tell the
two apart.
Think about it - these days, CNN makes the Israeli soldiers as likable
as Star Wars' evil Storm Troopers. Anytime the media uses the term
"occupation" it is always followed with a deck of standardized images of
some pissed-off, unshaven, heavily armed Israeli soldier at a
checkpoint. Rarely does the media remind us that these soldiers are all
just 18-20 years old kids; who if living in America would probably be
pledging a frat, protesting a war, or smoking a bong. Don't forget, it's
not like here in the US, where one voluntarily signs up for "The
Corps" - every Israeli has to do army time. The lopsided, violence
loving media images and rhetoric leads one to forget that these Israeli
soldiers are still just kids trying to figure themselves out - their
sexuality, their aspirations, their politics, their religion, their
morals, their dreams.
Yossi and Jagger is a film that finally captures just that. The 67
minute film, which was shot in just 9 days, introduces the world to the
Israeli soldier you don't know: The in the closet gay, the lovable free
spirit, the spiritual Zen Buddhist, the comedic aspiring chef, the
promiscuous *****, the party raver, the heartbroken reject, the lovesick
gal, the comic goofball. I know what you're thinking: Heck, this sounds
more like The Breakfast Club than Platoon meets The Birdcage. Well it
is-except the girls are named Yaeli and Goldie and they dig guys named
Oneg and Lior. Secret gay romance is just the tip of this iceberg, and
the film tackles jealousy, angst, comedy, fear, sadness, and love - all
with equal sensitivity. As the lead gay soldier, Jagger, who is
nicknamed that for his strikingly good rock-star looks, puts it "Life
should be just like an American Movie."
And that's what is so terribly troubling for the average murse-carrying
Chelsea movie goer. How the hell can they go on attending "Israelis are
Nazis" protests when they've seen hunky gay Israeli soldiers, who may
have more passion for life, happiness, art and love than they do? It is
shattering.
But more than just stereotype shattering, this movie is entertaining as
well. The cast is amazingly talented, and if you've been to Israel
before, it is scary to think how much it feels like you've sat next to
any of the movie's characters at the Tachanah bus station at one time or
another.
The writing, I must say, blew my mind. Aside from a quasi-Shakespearean
love/tragedy story line and some sharp cut & paste references, there is
such delicate detail that triggers a unique spice of humanity to every
scene. You have a creative cook who when he runs out of supplies, makes
sushi for the troops. There is a lovesick soldier who when trying to
tell a girl he loves her - puts on a Clemsnide CD , a low-fi US band
with Israeli front-man(This was my Moment of Zen). Two comedic soldiers
when on a deadly combat ambush start to ponder "who is hotter? -
Michelle Pfeifer or Sharon Stone." The tough-guy commander, Yossi,
telling his nervous troops before the big ambush that he doesn't intend
to see any of their mothers anytime soon, unless it is at their
weddings-and then he adds with a touch of Jewish neurosis - "that is, if
they you don't forget to invite me."
It is these little touches that make this film realistic and lovable.
Even the lyrics to the movie's background music (which were also
cleverly subtitled) lend further depth to every scene. And it is
shocking how this movie develops from being about a secret gay
relationship to a complex story of the Israeli army and a slice of life.
It goes without saying that this film deserves recognition - both within
and outside the Jewish community. Despite its $20,000 budget, and
original "Made for TV" agenda, this movie has sent ripples across the
Tribeca Film Festival and probably will continue to shatter barriers
across the world; not only for the gay community, but for the die hard
liberals who will now see an Israeli soldier on CNN differently. He
won't just focus on the rifle slung around his arm, but rather see the
heart on his sleeve as well.
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL2@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in message
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: "JohnN" <jnorris53@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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| Title: Re: Gay marriage "rights" |
22 Jul 2005 10:29:09 AM |
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"øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote in message
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Rabbinical punishment for homosexual acts was to have the man go roll in
the snow...
Shrinkage!
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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22 Jul 2005 10:35:28 AM |
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"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote in message
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Rabbinical punishment for homosexual acts was to have the man go roll in
the snow...
Shrinkage!
George Constanza - Is that you? :)
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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23 Jul 2005 03:50:48 AM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote in message
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Rabbinical punishment for homosexual acts was to have the man go roll
in
the snow...
Shrinkage!
George Constanza - Is that you? :)
:)
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| User: "Achy Breaky Clayton" |
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25 Jul 2005 02:16:04 AM |
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"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote in message
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Rabbinical punishment for homosexual acts was to have the man go roll in
the snow...
Shrinkage!
Sounds quite refreshing actually after a hard night of shagging!!
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| User: "øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton" |
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25 Jul 2005 11:18:21 PM |
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indeed :)
unless of course the shagging was done in the snow... *chuckle*
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: "Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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: > "øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote in message
: > news:rg%De.20439$dz.13366@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
: > > Rabbinical punishment for homosexual acts was to have the man go
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: > Shrinkage!
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: Sounds quite refreshing actually after a hard night of shagging!!
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| User: "Matty" |
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26 Jul 2005 04:39:53 AM |
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On 2005-07-26 16:18:21 +1200, "øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton"
<riain@zion.org.il> said:
indeed :)
unless of course the shagging was done in the snow... *chuckle*
If one was shaggy and in the snow, no shrinkage would have occured ;-)
Matty
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: "Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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: > "øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote in message
: > news:rg%De.20439$dz.13366@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
: > > Rabbinical punishment for homosexual acts was to have the man go roll in
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: > Shrinkage!
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: Sounds quite refreshing actually after a hard night of shagging!!
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| User: "øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton" |
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26 Jul 2005 10:43:00 PM |
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*chuckle*
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: On 2005-07-26 16:18:21 +1200, "øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton"
: <riain@zion.org.il> said:
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: > indeed :)
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: > unless of course the shagging was done in the snow... *chuckle*
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: If one was shaggy and in the snow, no shrinkage would have occured ;-)
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: > "Achy Breaky Clayton" <cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonymails.com> wrote in
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: > : > > Rabbinical punishment for homosexual acts was to have the man
go roll in
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| User: "øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton" |
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22 Jul 2005 11:55:35 PM |
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*chuckle*
Well, that was one reason maybe, but it was, and still is, a belief of
some Chasidic Jews that, well, err, when I man gets too hot and doesn't
cool down, he will be tempted to have sex, even with other men...
"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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: "øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote in message
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: > Rabbinical punishment for homosexual acts was to have the man go
roll in
: > the snow...
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| User: "Matty" |
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23 Jul 2005 01:47:49 AM |
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On 2005-07-23 16:55:35 +1200, "øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton"
<riain@zion.org.il> said:
*chuckle*
Well, that was one reason maybe, but it was, and still is, a belief of
some Chasidic Jews that, well, err, when I man gets too hot and doesn't
cool down, he will be tempted to have sex, even with other men...
LOL, no different to 'rushing in and having a cold shower" ;-) or "real
men don't eat quiche" :-P
Matty
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: "øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote in message
: news:rg%De.20439$dz.13366@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
: > Rabbinical punishment for homosexual acts was to have the man go roll in
: > the snow...
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: Shrinkage!
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| User: "thomas p" |
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22 Jul 2005 09:48:15 AM |
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On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:16:18 +0300, "øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton"
<riain@zion.org.il> wrote:
Rabbinical punishment for homosexual acts was to have the man go roll in
the snow...
That must be terribly inconvenient sometimes - obtaining snow that is.
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Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "maf 1029" |
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| Title: Re: Gay marriage "rights" |
22 Jul 2005 12:23:11 AM |
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On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:16:18 +0300, "øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton"
<riain@zion.org.il> wrote:
Rabbinical punishment for homosexual acts was to have the man go roll in
the snow...
Which reminds me of the scenes in the film "Yossi & Jagger" - A
brilliant film and a must see.
http://bangitout.com/tribeca2003/yossi.html
I caught it the other night on _here!_.
IMO, Y&J ranks right up there with Antonia's Line as one of my
modern-day favorite films.
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| User: "øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton" |
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22 Jul 2005 11:53:48 PM |
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:)
"maf 1029" <guesswho@yahoo.nopsamnet> wrote in message
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: On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:16:18 +0300, "øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton"
: <riain@zion.org.il> wrote:
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: >Rabbinical punishment for homosexual acts was to have the man go roll
in
: >the snow...
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: >Which reminds me of the scenes in the film "Yossi & Jagger" - A
: >brilliant film and a must see.
: >
: >http://bangitout.com/tribeca2003/yossi.html
:
: I caught it the other night on _here!_.
: IMO, Y&J ranks right up there with Antonia's Line as one of my
: modern-day favorite films.
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| User: "The Secretary of HomIntern" |
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21 Jul 2005 03:16:12 AM |
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Hail Eris! It was a dark and stormy night in alt.politics.homosexuality,
when JohnN wrote:
And God has yet to smite them all.
Could you please inform 'im that if he's going to smite us, we'd appreciate
it if he just got on with it? We're getting a little impatient with all the
dire threats that are followed by a total failure of action.
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