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31 Jul 2003 09:59:49 AM |
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Re: get god out of government |
God is not in our Government; His name is just blasphemed there by
power-hungry people who want to exploit him so that they will have the
political power to commit evilactions.
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| User: "Urthman" |
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| Title: Re: get god out of government |
31 Jul 2003 12:42:37 PM |
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"Jack" <Anon@noSpam.net> wrote in message
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God is not in our Government; His name is just blasphemed there by
power-hungry people who want to exploit him so that they will have the
political power to commit evilactions.
There can be no 'God' in government. God has always been about choice and
not the direct control of puppets. Beware the false prophets and other used
car salesmen.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: get god out of government |
31 Jul 2003 01:43:30 PM |
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In alt.philosophy Urthman <nospam@jsent.biz> wrote:
There can be no 'God' in government.
God is on our money.
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| User: "Urthman" |
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| Title: Re: get god out of government |
01 Aug 2003 03:10:56 PM |
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<tomcatpolka@yaNOSPAMhoo.com> wrote in message
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In alt.philosophy Urthman <nospam@jsent.biz> wrote:
There can be no 'God' in government.
God is on our money.
God is on the "root of all evil"? Hmmm ... ;)
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: get god out of government |
01 Aug 2003 03:36:54 PM |
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In alt.philosophy Urthman <nospam@jsent.biz> wrote:
God is on the "root of all evil"? Hmmm ... ;)
It's the "love of money which is the root of all evil". You can still
like it a lot.
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| User: "Joe Creaney" |
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| Title: Re: get god out of government |
03 Aug 2003 11:52:05 PM |
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wrote:
In alt.philosophy Urthman <nospam@jsent.biz> wrote:
God is on the "root of all evil"? Hmmm ... ;)
It's the "love of money which is the root of all evil". You can still
like it a lot.
Some people are so concerned about petty things.
Look at the root of religion not as you see it as distorted by some
people and decide if it something good or bad. I am not big on religion
because they are very restrictive on sex. Other than that it promotes a
more productive society saying that we should respect other people and
their property help the poor, not enslave each other. God is simply
what we have found over time to create a better society.
I don't believe in metaphysics but I see religion as a short cut to
value system that creates a more pleasant society in general.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: get god out of government |
04 Aug 2003 11:46:39 PM |
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On Sun, 03 Aug 2003 23:52:05 -0500, Joe Creaney <mail@annuna.com>
posted in alt.atheism:
Look at the root of religion not as you see it as distorted by some
people and decide if it something good or bad. I am not big on religion
because they are very restrictive on sex. Other than that it promotes a
more productive society saying that we should respect other people and
their property
Only if you define "people" as "those who believe the way we do".
not enslave each other.
The bible says that it's perfectly okay to enslave each other. It
even gives rules for how slaves are to behave.
God is simply what we have found over time to create a better society.
"God" is already defined - you'll have to find some other word for
that.
I don't believe in metaphysics but I see religion as a short cut to
value system that creates a more pleasant society in general.
You consider killing others for not accepting your beliefs "a more
pleasant society in general"? Then you may call yourself a True
Christian - you've certainly earned he title.
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"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid
consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and
ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who
works on the basis of reward and punishment. "
- Letter to M. Berkowitz, October 25, 1950; Einstein Archive 59-215
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rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Joe Creaney" |
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| Title: Re: get god out of government |
05 Aug 2003 12:49:30 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Sun, 03 Aug 2003 23:52:05 -0500, Joe Creaney <mail@annuna.com>
posted in alt.atheism:
Look at the root of religion not as you see it as distorted by some
people and decide if it something good or bad. I am not big on religion
because they are very restrictive on sex. Other than that it promotes a
more productive society saying that we should respect other people and
their property
Only if you define "people" as "those who believe the way we do".
Take the values of the bible and reverse them. Would would you rather
live in Roman Society or in a Christian one that replaced it.
not enslave each other.
The bible says that it's perfectly okay to enslave each other. It
even gives rules for how slaves are to behave.
No it doesn't. The old testament does but the new testament replaced
the old testament. How is slavery in any testament any way consistent
with the teachings of Jesus? You would have to accept others holding
slaves because you have to accept the society you live in but you focus
on you actions and persuade others.
God is simply what we have found over time to create a better society.
"God" is already defined - you'll have to find some other word for
that.
I don't believe in metaphysics but I see religion as a short cut to
value system that creates a more pleasant society in general.
You consider killing others for not accepting your beliefs "a more
pleasant society in general"? Then you may call yourself a True
Christian - you've certainly earned he title.
You are going back 400 years. I do accept killing others who don't
share my beliefs. I have have no problem having others who kill killed.
The idea that you shouldn't kill a moral one. I can discuss how I
think that Christianity is a corruption of it self. See separate post.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: get god out of government |
06 Aug 2003 09:18:05 PM |
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On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 12:49:30 -0500, Joe Creaney <mail@annuna.com>
posted in alt.atheism:
Take the values of the bible and reverse them. Would would you rather
live in Roman Society or in a Christian one that replaced it.
I don't see much difference between the Roman Circuses and the
Christian Inquisitions.
The bible says that it's perfectly okay to enslave each other. It
even gives rules for how slaves are to behave.
No it doesn't.
All the bibles I've read do.
The old testament does but the new testament replaced
the old testament.
Not according to the old testament. But Matthew 10:24, Luke 12:47 and
Ephesians 6:5, among others, condone slavery.
How is slavery in any testament any way consistent
with the teachings of Jesus?
The NT *IS* the teachings of Jesus, according to Christianity.
You would have to accept others holding
slaves because you have to accept the society you live in
An omnipotent god "has to accept"?
but you focus on you actions and persuade others.
IOW, you either condone or ignore slavery.
I don't believe in metaphysics but I see religion as a short cut to
value system that creates a more pleasant society in general.
You consider killing others for not accepting your beliefs "a more
pleasant society in general"? Then you may call yourself a True
Christian - you've certainly earned he title.
You are going back 400 years.
I'm talking about Christianity. It's been around for 2,000 years, not
400 years.
I do accept killing others who don't share my beliefs.
Then you don't accept your bible.
I can discuss how I think that Christianity is a corruption of it self.
Nothing to discuss - it's a corruption. It was a corruption when Saul
invented it.
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"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your
Christ."
- Mohandas Gandhi
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rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: get god out of government |
06 Aug 2003 04:08:46 PM |
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In alt.philosophy Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
The bible says that it's perfectly okay to enslave each other. It
even gives rules for how slaves are to behave.
That was Locke's view. In his opinion, Natural Rights did not extend to
slaves collected in a just war.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: get god out of government |
07 Aug 2003 09:22:50 PM |
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On 6 Aug 2003 21:08:46 GMT, posted in
alt.atheism:
In alt.philosophy Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
The bible says that it's perfectly okay to enslave each other. It
even gives rules for how slaves are to behave.
That was Locke's view.
It was the view of those who wrote the bible, more than 3,000 years
before Locke.
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"I don't try to imagine a God; it suffices to stand in awe of the structure of the world
insofar as it allows our inadequate senses to appreciate it."
- Letter to S. Flesch, April 16, 1954; Einstein Archive 30-1154
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Thomas P." |
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| Title: Re: get god out of government |
07 Aug 2003 02:29:53 AM |
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On 6 Aug 2003 21:08:46 GMT, wrote:
In alt.philosophy Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
The bible says that it's perfectly okay to enslave each other. It
even gives rules for how slaves are to behave.
That was Locke's view. In his opinion, Natural Rights did not extend to
slaves collected in a just war.
Such a war would be defined as a war that his side won.
Thomas P.
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| User: "Lord Calvert" |
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| Title: Re: get god out of government |
31 Jul 2003 02:26:54 PM |
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There can be no 'God' in government.
This should be qualified. There can be no "God" in a FREE government.
Theocratic dictatorial regimes abound like Taliban-run Afghanistan, Saudi
Arabia, Iran under the Ayatollahs, the Juche run North Korean government, the
Catholic Vatican government and, of course, the United States under Bush and
Ashcroft.
God is on our money.
Thanks to the anti-American Christian-supremacist McCarthyites during the
1950s. Certainly it wasn't there when the country was founded and the change is
relatively recent. You want proof? Go get a "silver certificate" dollar from
the 1930s. A lot of people keep them around because they're reasonably rare but
do turn up once in a while. Look for "In God We Trust" on the dollar. You will
not find it. Our country survived just fine for 181 years without a religious
slogan on our currency. The last 46 does not an eternity make.
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Ill-Legal Dept. "Abandon Hope All Ye Who Enter Here"
"My country, right or wrong; to be defended when right and righted when wrong."
- Thomas Jefferson
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