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"david ford" |
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26 Sep 2005 10:42:19 PM |
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Re: Get religion back into US schools. |
Bob wrote:
On 26 Sep 2005 "david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
Keep secular religions in U.S. schools.
there are no secular religions in public schools, ford's paranoia
notwithstanding.
Do you think secular humanism is in U.S. schools?
Do you consider secular humanism a secular religion?
the courts on the secular religion of secular humanism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1127528146.999596.314660%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
URLs in
Hitler opposed Christianity
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1117657689.616680.167840%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
[Humanist Manifesto II, at
<http://www.americanhumanist.org/about/manifesto2.html>]"THIRD: We
affirm that moral values derive their source from human experience.
Ethics is autonomous and situational needing no theological or
ideological sanction. Ethics stems from human need and interest."
[Humanist Manifesto III, at
<http://www.americanhumanist.org/3/HumandItsAspirations.htm>]"The
lifestance of Humanism-- guided by reason, inspired by compassion, and
informed by experience-- encourages us to live life well and fully. It
evolved through the ages and continues to develop through the efforts
of thoughtful people who recognize that values and ideals, however
carefully wrought, are subject to change as our knowledge and
understandings advance."
1998 Morain & Morain: "humanism.... frees one from guilt," 1989
Frederick Edwords, 1976 "A New Bill of Sexual Rights and
Responsibilities"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0409201821.588252b6%40posting.google.com
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30 Sep 2005 04:38:12 AM |
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Given that religion has now been shown to be harmful, you're backing a
loser:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
reports a study that finds that:
"In general, higher rates of belief in and worship of a creator
correlate with higher rates of homicide, juvenile and early adult
mortality, STD infection rates, teen pregnancy, and abortion in the
prosperous democracies"
and
"The United States is almost always the most dysfunctional of the
developing democracies, sometimes spectacularly so, and almost always
scores poorly. The view of the U.S. as a "shining city on the hill"
to the rest of the world is falsified when it comes to basic measures
of societal health."
and
"Indeed, the data examined in this study demonstrates that only the
more secular, pro-evolution democracies have, for the first time in
history, come closest to achieving practical "cultures of life"
that feature low rates of lethal crime, juvenile-adult mortality, sex
related dysfunction, and even abortion."
QED.
Budikka
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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30 Sep 2005 04:58:06 AM |
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On 30 Sep 2005 02:38:12 -0700 in alt.atheism, Budikka666
("Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
Given that religion has now been shown to be harmful, you're backing a
loser:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
reports a study that finds that:
"In general, higher rates of belief in and worship of a creator
correlate with higher rates of homicide, juvenile and early adult
mortality, STD infection rates, teen pregnancy, and abortion in the
prosperous democracies"
and
"The United States is almost always the most dysfunctional of the
developing democracies, sometimes spectacularly so, and almost always
scores poorly. The view of the U.S. as a "shining city on the hill"
to the rest of the world is falsified when it comes to basic measures
of societal health."
and
"Indeed, the data examined in this study demonstrates that only the
more secular, pro-evolution democracies have, for the first time in
history, come closest to achieving practical "cultures of life"
that feature low rates of lethal crime, juvenile-adult mortality, sex
related dysfunction, and even abortion."
QED.
Speaking of which there were 3 letters in the Times about that today.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,59-1804015,00.html
The most amusing:
Sir, "Religious belief can cause damage to a society, contributing
towards high murder rates, abortion, sexual promiscuity and suicide."
People who say church is boring may need to think again.
GAVIN DRAKE
(Director of communications for the Bishop and Diocese of Lichfield)
Cannock, Staffordshire
(fairly painless signup required, IIRC).
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| User: "" |
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01 Oct 2005 08:44:34 AM |
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Sir, "Religious belief can cause damage to a society, contributing
towards high murder rates, abortion, sexual promiscuity and suicide."
The Gregory Paul survey, which is where I think this comes from is
simply a survey. American religion is largely heretical. I refer now to
Evangelical so called Christians. It is heresy since Evangelism does
NOT follow Christ.
Dr. Paul is a sociologist not a theologian and what his survey in fact
shows is that heretical belief is more dangerous than no belief at all.
This is an argment for either teaching atheism pure and simple or
teaching a proper theology.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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01 Oct 2005 06:31:58 PM |
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On 1 Oct 2005 06:44:34 -0700, wrote:
Sir, "Religious belief can cause damage to a society, contributing
towards high murder rates, abortion, sexual promiscuity and suicide."
The Gregory Paul survey, which is where I think this comes from is
simply a survey. American religion is largely heretical. I refer now to
Evangelical so called Christians. It is heresy since Evangelism does
NOT follow Christ.
Dr. Paul is a sociologist not a theologian and what his survey in fact
shows is that heretical belief is more dangerous than no belief at all.
This is an argment for either teaching atheism pure and simple or
teaching a proper theology.
I bet if the survey had been held in Scotland, you would STILL claim
that it included "no true Scotsmen"...
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| User: "" |
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02 Oct 2005 10:22:18 AM |
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I bet if the survey had been held in Scotland, you would STILL claim
that it included "no true Scotsmen"...
No I have some very specific theological points.
1) Christ denied that there was a connection between misfortune, either
corporate or individual and Sin. "Were the people killed in the Tower
of Siloam more guilty than the rest..... I say they were not".
Evangelism says that Katrina was caused by "Southern Decadence" and was
deserved.----As incidentally was 9/11. Whose side are they on?
2) God's grace is open to everyone - therd ios no elect. We do however
have free will.
A Christian is one who follows Christ. The Evangelicals I am afraid do
not. They much more follow the old testament idea of wrath.
People get depressed and may commit suicide if they feel they are non
elected.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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02 Oct 2005 02:37:38 PM |
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wrote:
I bet if the survey had been held in Scotland, you would STILL claim
that it included "no true Scotsmen"...
Only one.
No I have some very specific theological points.
1) Christ denied that there was a connection between misfortune,
either corporate or individual and Sin. "Were the people killed in
the Tower of Siloam more guilty than the rest..... I say they were
not". Evangelism says that Katrina was caused by "Southern Decadence"
and was deserved.----As incidentally was 9/11. Whose side are they on?
2) God's grace is open to everyone - therd ios no elect. We do however
have free will.
A Christian is one who follows Christ. The Evangelicals I am afraid do
not. They much more follow the old testament idea of wrath.
People get depressed and may commit suicide if they feel they are non
elected.
They use the same book to show that they are right and you are wrong.
If your god was as smart as somebody who writes a football rule book, there
would not be 20,000 different Christian sects.
People argue about *if* an event happened, a score or a foul, but they do
not argue about what the event is. It is clearly stated and all agree about
how it is done.
If your book was valid then *everybody* would agree on how you get to heaven
but might not agree if you were going or not.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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02 Oct 2005 06:07:52 PM |
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On 2 Oct 2005 08:22:18 -0700, wrote:
I bet if the survey had been held in Scotland, you would STILL claim
that it included "no true Scotsmen"...
No I have some very specific theological points.
1) Christ denied that there was a connection between misfortune, either
corporate or individual and Sin. "Were the people killed in the Tower
of Siloam more guilty than the rest..... I say they were not".
Evangelism says that Katrina was caused by "Southern Decadence" and was
deserved.----As incidentally was 9/11. Whose side are they on?
Good cherry-picking point!
But if you aim for theological accuracy, you should at least brush up
on your Greek grammar.
Except the people in this story were killed when the tower fell ON
them. (eph ous)
And there were only 18 of them.
Herdly Katrina or 9/11.
But your point about Christians being inconsistent in their
application of the scriptures is noted.
Are you claiming to be immune from this process?
Be careful how you answer this...
2) God's grace is open to everyone - therd ios no elect. We do however
have free will.
This is hardly a theological point.
More like vague and incoherent hand-waving.
A Christian is one who follows Christ. The Evangelicals I am afraid do
not. They much more follow the old testament idea of wrath.
So you think the biblical old testament is a load of old cobblers,
then?
I just picked a random passage from the NT.
(Or at least I think it was random!)
Epistle to the Hebrews 3,18:
"And to whom did He swear they would not enter into His rest, except
those not obeying?"
(My translation)
Which clearly says that only those who do *NOT* obey Him will enter
into His rest.
So perhaps these "Not true Christians" are obeying the letter of your
Story-Book after all!
People get depressed and may commit suicide if they feel they are non
elected.
I wish that your mighty Emporer Dubya would get that feeling, and act
apon it...
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| User: "" |
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03 Oct 2005 12:56:16 PM |
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We are getting to a point where we can see that the Bible is mutually
contradictory. I would like David Ford to consider just one book, the
book of Leviticus where laws and specific prohibitions were laid down.
Some of these are extremely petty.
Peter had a famous dream "Peter, kill and eat" which threw out most of
these prohibitions. David Ford must have some basis of his own as to
what he will accept or reject. To me it is the New Testament that
defines what Christianity is.
We must judge things in relation to our own experience. We must also
look at how the Bible came to be written in a scholarly sense. The
problem of evil has been debated by doctors of the Church. Christ
denied that it had anything to do with punishment and our theological
thoughts must be consistent with this. Even in the Old Testament the
book of Job contradicts earlier books.
The idea of an elect is to me repugnant. Theologically foreknowledge is
different from predestination. In predestination God has given up on
you and there is nothing you casn do about it.
The God of Genesis is a superterrorist, there is no other way to
describe Him. If we "glorified" a terrorist group who managed to
acquire 2 nuclear bombs of kiloton yield which destroyed 2 mining
communities, and then went on to acquire a doomsday machine (not Jack's
warp drive because even Noah could not escape from Inflation!) and the
group managed to survive underground.
It would be illegal under forthcoming leglislation in Britain to
glorify this.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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02 Oct 2005 05:30:04 PM |
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On 2 Oct 2005 08:22:18 -0700, wrote:
I bet if the survey had been held in Scotland, you would STILL claim
that it included "no true Scotsmen"...
No I have some very specific theological points.
1) Christ denied that there was a connection between misfortune, either
corporate or individual and Sin. "Were the people killed in the Tower
of Siloam more guilty than the rest..... I say they were not".
Evangelism says that Katrina was caused by "Southern Decadence" and was
deserved.----As incidentally was 9/11. Whose side are they on?
Good cherry-picking point!
Except the people in this story were killed when the tower fell ON
them.
(eph ous)
And there were only 18 of them.
2) God's grace is open to everyone - therd ios no elect. We do however
have free will.
A Christian is one who follows Christ. The Evangelicals I am afraid do
not. They much more follow the old testament idea of wrath.
People get depressed and may commit suicide if they feel they are non
elected.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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30 Sep 2005 05:31:31 AM |
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On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 10:58:06 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On 30 Sep 2005 02:38:12 -0700 in alt.atheism, Budikka666
("Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
Given that religion has now been shown to be harmful, you're backing a
loser:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
reports a study that finds that:
"In general, higher rates of belief in and worship of a creator
correlate with higher rates of homicide, juvenile and early adult
mortality, STD infection rates, teen pregnancy, and abortion in the
prosperous democracies"
and
"The United States is almost always the most dysfunctional of the
developing democracies, sometimes spectacularly so, and almost always
scores poorly. The view of the U.S. as a "shining city on the hill"
to the rest of the world is falsified when it comes to basic measures
of societal health."
and
"Indeed, the data examined in this study demonstrates that only the
more secular, pro-evolution democracies have, for the first time in
history, come closest to achieving practical "cultures of life"
that feature low rates of lethal crime, juvenile-adult mortality, sex
related dysfunction, and even abortion."
QED.
Speaking of which there were 3 letters in the Times about that today.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,59-1804015,00.html
The most amusing:
Sir, "Religious belief can cause damage to a society, contributing
towards high murder rates, abortion, sexual promiscuity and suicide."
People who say church is boring may need to think again.
GAVIN DRAKE
(Director of communications for the Bishop and Diocese of Lichfield)
Cannock, Staffordshire
:
"Director of communications for the Bishop and Diocese of Lichfield"
Isn't that another name for "God"?
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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30 Sep 2005 05:54:29 AM |
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On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 20:01:31 +0930 in alt.atheism, Michael Gray
(Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 10:58:06 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On 30 Sep 2005 02:38:12 -0700 in alt.atheism, Budikka666
("Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
Given that religion has now been shown to be harmful, you're backing a
loser:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
reports a study that finds that:
"In general, higher rates of belief in and worship of a creator
correlate with higher rates of homicide, juvenile and early adult
mortality, STD infection rates, teen pregnancy, and abortion in the
prosperous democracies"
and
"The United States is almost always the most dysfunctional of the
developing democracies, sometimes spectacularly so, and almost always
scores poorly. The view of the U.S. as a "shining city on the hill"
to the rest of the world is falsified when it comes to basic measures
of societal health."
and
"Indeed, the data examined in this study demonstrates that only the
more secular, pro-evolution democracies have, for the first time in
history, come closest to achieving practical "cultures of life"
that feature low rates of lethal crime, juvenile-adult mortality, sex
related dysfunction, and even abortion."
QED.
Speaking of which there were 3 letters in the Times about that today.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,59-1804015,00.html
The most amusing:
Sir, "Religious belief can cause damage to a society, contributing
towards high murder rates, abortion, sexual promiscuity and suicide."
People who say church is boring may need to think again.
GAVIN DRAKE
(Director of communications for the Bishop and Diocese of Lichfield)
Cannock, Staffordshire
:
"Director of communications for the Bishop and Diocese of Lichfield"
Isn't that another name for "God"?
I think you're confusing a job title with the proper name "Aliester
Campbell".
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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30 Sep 2005 06:08:24 AM |
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On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 11:54:29 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 20:01:31 +0930 in alt.atheism, Michael Gray
(Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 10:58:06 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On 30 Sep 2005 02:38:12 -0700 in alt.atheism, Budikka666
("Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
Given that religion has now been shown to be harmful, you're backing a
loser:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
reports a study that finds that:
"In general, higher rates of belief in and worship of a creator
correlate with higher rates of homicide, juvenile and early adult
mortality, STD infection rates, teen pregnancy, and abortion in the
prosperous democracies"
and
"The United States is almost always the most dysfunctional of the
developing democracies, sometimes spectacularly so, and almost always
scores poorly. The view of the U.S. as a "shining city on the hill"
to the rest of the world is falsified when it comes to basic measures
of societal health."
and
"Indeed, the data examined in this study demonstrates that only the
more secular, pro-evolution democracies have, for the first time in
history, come closest to achieving practical "cultures of life"
that feature low rates of lethal crime, juvenile-adult mortality, sex
related dysfunction, and even abortion."
QED.
Speaking of which there were 3 letters in the Times about that today.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,59-1804015,00.html
The most amusing:
Sir, "Religious belief can cause damage to a society, contributing
towards high murder rates, abortion, sexual promiscuity and suicide."
People who say church is boring may need to think again.
GAVIN DRAKE
(Director of communications for the Bishop and Diocese of Lichfield)
Cannock, Staffordshire
:
"Director of communications for the Bishop and Diocese of Lichfield"
Isn't that another name for "God"?
I think you're confusing a job title with the proper name "Aliester
Campbell".
You don't mean Alastair Crowley?
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| User: "Ian H Spedding" |
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30 Sep 2005 07:05:17 AM |
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Michael Gray wrote:
..
On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 11:54:29 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 20:01:31 +0930 in alt.atheism, Michael Gray
(Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 10:58:06 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On 30 Sep 2005 02:38:12 -0700 in alt.atheism, Budikka666
("Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
Given that religion has now been shown to be harmful, you're backing a
loser:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
reports a study that finds that:
"In general, higher rates of belief in and worship of a creator
correlate with higher rates of homicide, juvenile and early adult
mortality, STD infection rates, teen pregnancy, and abortion in the
prosperous democracies"
and
"The United States is almost always the most dysfunctional of the
developing democracies, sometimes spectacularly so, and almost always
scores poorly. The view of the U.S. as a "shining city on the hill"
to the rest of the world is falsified when it comes to basic measures
of societal health."
and
"Indeed, the data examined in this study demonstrates that only the
more secular, pro-evolution democracies have, for the first time in
history, come closest to achieving practical "cultures of life"
that feature low rates of lethal crime, juvenile-adult mortality, sex
related dysfunction, and even abortion."
QED.
Speaking of which there were 3 letters in the Times about that today.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,59-1804015,00.html
The most amusing:
Sir, "Religious belief can cause damage to a society, contributing
towards high murder rates, abortion, sexual promiscuity and suicide."
People who say church is boring may need to think again.
GAVIN DRAKE
(Director of communications for the Bishop and Diocese of Lichfield)
Cannock, Staffordshire
:
"Director of communications for the Bishop and Diocese of Lichfield"
Isn't that another name for "God"?
I think you're confusing a job title with the proper name "Aliester
Campbell".
You don't mean Alastair Crowley?
Is there a difference?
Ian
--
Ian H Spedding
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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30 Sep 2005 06:18:23 PM |
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On 30 Sep 2005 05:05:17 -0700, "Ian H Spedding"
<ian.spedding@homecall.co.uk> wrote:
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(Director of communications for the Bishop and Diocese of Lichfield)
Cannock, Staffordshire
:
"Director of communications for the Bishop and Diocese of Lichfield"
Isn't that another name for "God"?
I think you're confusing a job title with the proper name "Aliester
Campbell".
You don't mean Alastair Crowley?
Is there a difference?
One's a long since deceased devil-worshipper.
I'm not sure which one, though.
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| User: "Bob" |
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27 Sep 2005 06:09:58 AM |
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On 26 Sep 2005 20:42:19 -0700, "david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu>
wrote:
Bob wrote:
On 26 Sep 2005 "david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
Keep secular religions in U.S. schools.
there are no secular religions in public schools, ford's paranoia
notwithstanding.
Do you think secular humanism is in U.S. schools?
no.
Do you consider secular humanism a secular religion?
i don't care.
the courts on the secular religion of secular humanism
irrelevant.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1127528146.999596.314660%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
URLs in
Hitler opposed Christianity
non sequitur. irrelevant. what in the world does this have to do with
anything? this is the equivalent of usenet drooling.
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to see who "wf3h" is, go to "qrz.com"
and enter 'wf3h' in the field
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27 Sep 2005 01:21:46 PM |
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david ford wrote:
Bob wrote:
On 26 Sep 2005 "david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
Keep secular religions in U.S. schools.
there are no secular religions in public schools, ford's
paranoia notwithstanding.
Do you think secular humanism is in U.S. schools?
Do you consider secular humanism a secular religion?
Nobody is making kiddies say secular humanist pledges
or say secular humanist prayers in school.
Why are you such a jerk?
Just can't help it?
--
The official spokesman of the Foxes said
today that investigation into what happened
to the henhouse may be needed.
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "stew dean" |
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27 Sep 2005 03:36:23 AM |
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david ford wrote:
Bob wrote:
On 26 Sep 2005 "david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
Keep secular religions in U.S. schools.
there are no secular religions in public schools, ford's paranoia
notwithstanding.
Do you think secular humanism is in U.S. schools?
It's everywhere.
Do you consider secular humanism a secular religion?
No. It's secular and independent of any religion.
Urls snipped, especially the Hitler one.
Stew Dean
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| User: "Robi" |
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27 Sep 2005 04:47:07 AM |
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I don't think that religious education in American schools would do any
harm. I'm certain that one of the reasons for the increasing
secularisation of the UK is compulsory religious education. Apparently
something like 65% of British people under the age of 35 don't know
what happened at Easter.
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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27 Sep 2005 05:34:17 AM |
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On 27 Sep 2005 02:47:07 -0700 in alt.atheism, Robi ("Robi"
<robi_tola@hotmail.com>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
I don't think that religious education in American schools would do any
harm. I'm certain that one of the reasons for the increasing
secularisation of the UK is compulsory religious education. Apparently
something like 65% of British people under the age of 35 don't know
what happened at Easter.
Or more properly what is said to have happened at Easter according to
various Christian opinions...
But more generally, I tend to agree that Religious Education (RE)
*should* be taught in school, but taught as any other subject: "this
is what this group believes, that's what that group believes...,"
something of the history of world religions, and so forth, on the
basis that given the way the world is, such knowledge helps in
understanding it.
But this *must* be done from an academic perspective and in academic
terms, albeit that Hinduism always gets a lot of sniggers given the
Lingam, and so forth.
Personally, I think it's problematic to understand the way the world
is *unless* one knows at least something of the history of religion: I
mean would there have been a United States had the Pilgrim Fathers not
been convinced that there was far too much religious tolerance in
Europe?
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| Title: Re: Get religion back into US schools. |
27 Sep 2005 11:48:58 AM |
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"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
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But more generally, I tend to agree that Religious Education (RE)
*should* be taught in school, but taught as any other subject: "this
is what this group believes, that's what that group believes...,"
something of the history of world religions, and so forth, on the
basis that given the way the world is, such knowledge helps in
understanding it.
But this *must* be done from an academic perspective and in academic
terms, albeit that Hinduism always gets a lot of sniggers given the
Lingam, and so forth.
Personally, I think it's problematic to understand the way the world
is *unless* one knows at least something of the history of religion: I
mean would there have been a United States had the Pilgrim Fathers not
been convinced that there was far too much religious tolerance in
Europe?
I agree that children should be exposed to the
history of world religions, especially since we live
in an ever-shrinking (in terms of communications
lags and inter-connectivity) world. Even a cursory
(descriptive) introduction would make them aware
that there is more than one way to view beliefs in
the supernatural.
I'm afraid, though, that the religious right would
use that as an opening to push their non-scientific,
illogical views on a variety of school courses:
-biology - as being fought now
-physics - god vs the Big Bang
-agriculture - 'only god can make a tree' so don't
bother finding ways to make hardier stock, etc.
-health - prayer works, forget medical science
(would that many of them would!)
others?
Perhaps as an elective course it might work, or
as one segment of a world history/culture course.
I don't have kids and have no idea what is
taught in schools these days, other than the
basics. Maybe there already is such a segment
taught in schools. Anyone know?
Gail
aa#2247
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| User: "Bob Pease" |
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| Title: Re: Get religion back into US schools. |
27 Sep 2005 09:15:47 AM |
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"Robi" <robi_tola@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I don't think that religious education in American schools would do any
harm. I'm certain that one of the reasons for the increasing
secularisation of the UK is compulsory religious education. Apparently
something like 65% of British people under the age of 35 don't know
what happened at Easter.
The Easter Bunny comes out, and if he sees his shadow, it's six more weeks
of Winter.
RJ P
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| User: "Ordog" |
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| Title: Re: Get religion back into US schools. |
27 Sep 2005 10:15:43 PM |
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Bob Pease wrote:
"Robi" <robi_tola@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Apparently
something like 65% of British people under the age of 35 don't know
what happened at Easter.
The Easter Bunny comes out, and if he sees his shadow, it's six more weeks
of Winter.
You did not mention the Easter Eggs (made of chocolate, of course). A
grave sacrilege. My kids would never have forgiven you for that!
Ordog
"Beware of the man whose God is in the skies." Bernard Shaw
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Get religion back into US schools. |
28 Sep 2005 03:09:05 AM |
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If the Easter Bunny is a he, how'd he get the eggs?
Do different color eggs come from different color bunnies as do
different color of people come from different color people?
Variety is the spice of life ... and I llllllike it!
BTW, I'm Wiccan.
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| User: "TomS" |
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| Title: Re: Get religion back into US schools. |
28 Sep 2005 10:47:30 AM |
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"On 28 Sep 2005 01:09:05 -0700, in article
<1127894945.075403.172930@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
joandra_vandowall@yahoo.com stated..."
If the Easter Bunny is a he, how'd he get the eggs?
Do different color eggs come from different color bunnies as do
different color of people come from different color people?
Variety is the spice of life ... and I llllllike it!
BTW, I'm Wiccan.
You should be aware of the *scientific* version.
Intelligent Eggism does not specify anything about the
identity of the bringer of Easter Eggs. It could be, for all
that we can determine scientifically, space aliens. Any
further questions about the bringer are not within the scope
of the science.
We do not endorse the teaching of Intelligent Eggism in K-12
schools. Rather, we recommend just Teaching The Controversy.
If, however, you care to believe that the bringer of Easter
Eggs is the Easter Bunny, you are welcome under our Big Top Strategy.
--
---Tom S. <http://talkreason.org/articles/chickegg.cfm>
"The utmost, therefore that the argument [derived from the analogy with human
art] can prove is an _architect of the world, who is always very much hampered
by the adaptabilities of the material in which he works, not a _creator of the
world to whose idea everything is subject." Kant, Critique of Pure Reason, A627
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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| Title: Re: Get religion back into US schools. |
28 Sep 2005 10:30:10 AM |
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wrote:
If the Easter Bunny is a he, how'd he get the eggs?
Independent contractors.
Do different color eggs come from different color bunnies as do
different color of people come from different color people?
Variety is the spice of life ... and I llllllike it!
BTW, I'm Wiccan.
--
The official spokesman of the Foxes said
today that investigation into what happened
to the henhouse may be needed.
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Ordog" |
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| Title: Re: Get religion back into US schools. |
28 Sep 2005 04:17:28 AM |
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wrote:
If the Easter Bunny is a he, how'd he get the eggs?
Do different color eggs come from different color bunnies as do
different color of people come from different color people?
Variety is the spice of life ... and I llllllike it!
BTW, I'm Wiccan.
Silly, but true! Chocolate eggs come from chocolate bunnies.
(There is a very serious life philosophy underlying this fact!)
Ordog
"Beware of the man whose God is in the skies." Bernard Shaw
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: Get religion back into US schools. |
28 Sep 2005 05:13:42 AM |
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On 28 Sep 2005 02:17:28 -0700 in talk.origins, Ordog ("Ordog"
<odbok001@sneakemail.com>) said, directing the reply to talk.origins
joandra_vandowall@yahoo.com wrote:
If the Easter Bunny is a he, how'd he get the eggs?
Do different color eggs come from different color bunnies as do
different color of people come from different color people?
Variety is the spice of life ... and I llllllike it!
BTW, I'm Wiccan.
Silly, but true! Chocolate eggs come from chocolate bunnies.
(There is a very serious life philosophy underlying this fact!)
Indeed. But I think it should be noted that the Easter Bunny is in
fact a transgendered platypus.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Get religion back into US schools. |
28 Sep 2005 05:58:39 AM |
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"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
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On 28 Sep 2005 02:17:28 -0700 in talk.origins, Ordog ("Ordog"
<odbok001@sneakemail.com>) said, directing the reply to talk.origins
joandra_vandowall@yahoo.com wrote:
If the Easter Bunny is a he, how'd he get the eggs?
Do different color eggs come from different color bunnies as do
different color of people come from different color people?
Variety is the spice of life ... and I llllllike it!
BTW, I'm Wiccan.
Silly, but true! Chocolate eggs come from chocolate bunnies.
(There is a very serious life philosophy underlying this fact!)
Indeed. But I think it should be noted that the Easter Bunny is in
fact a transgendered platypus.
Blasphemy! May the goddess smite you! ;)
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: Get religion back into US schools. |
28 Sep 2005 06:22:09 AM |
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On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 06:58:39 -0400 in alt.atheism, Robibnikoff
("Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com>) said, directing the reply
to alt.atheism
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:q3rkj1hvua86rkbe7mbhgg1aq7h4dtec0t@4ax.com...
On 28 Sep 2005 02:17:28 -0700 in talk.origins, Ordog ("Ordog"
<odbok001@sneakemail.com>) said, directing the reply to talk.origins
joandra_vandowall@yahoo.com wrote:
If the Easter Bunny is a he, how'd he get the eggs?
Do different color eggs come from different color bunnies as do
different color of people come from different color people?
Variety is the spice of life ... and I llllllike it!
BTW, I'm Wiccan.
Silly, but true! Chocolate eggs come from chocolate bunnies.
(There is a very serious life philosophy underlying this fact!)
Indeed. But I think it should be noted that the Easter Bunny is in
fact a transgendered platypus.
Blasphemy! May the goddess smite you! ;)
Chance'd be a fine thing....
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| User: "Iain" |
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| Title: Re: Get religion back into US schools. |
28 Sep 2005 06:30:38 AM |
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Therion Ware wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 06:58:39 -0400 in alt.atheism, Robibnikoff
("Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com>) said, directing the reply
to alt.atheism
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:q3rkj1hvua86rkbe7mbhgg1aq7h4dtec0t@4ax.com...
On 28 Sep 2005 02:17:28 -0700 in talk.origins, Ordog ("Ordog"
<odbok001@sneakemail.com>) said, directing the reply to talk.origins
joandra_vandowall@yahoo.com wrote:
If the Easter Bunny is a he, how'd he get the eggs?
Do different color eggs come from different color bunnies as do
different color of people come from different color people?
Variety is the spice of life ... and I llllllike it!
BTW, I'm Wiccan.
Silly, but true! Chocolate eggs come from chocolate bunnies.
(There is a very serious life philosophy underlying this fact!)
Indeed. But I think it should be noted that the Easter Bunny is in
fact a transgendered platypus.
Blasphemy! May the goddess smite you! ;)
Chance'd be a fine thing....
You know what they they: Cuckoo in may, Ooh arr ooh arr ay!
~Iain
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