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"Cindy Cindy@nospam" |
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24 Aug 2004 06:47:39 PM |
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Re: God and Satan are the same person. |
"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:5VPWc.3884$oA.2874@trndny04...
"Red Dragon" <tskhoon@streamyx.com> wrote in message
news:412983dc$1_1@news.tm.net.my...
Why did the law allow killer and victim to live in the same country and
meet
each other?
Because the victim and the killer are the same person.
We are talking about responsiblity. Before eating the appple, Adam and
Eve were devoid of knowledge of what is good or evil, alike a 3 year
old baby. Remember that God did not give them a mind like yours today.
What I understand is that "sex" was also not in their vocabulary.
Exactly
like the mentality of a 3 year old child. If the father allowed a King
Cobra to live in the same house and one day the cobra bit the baby, who
is
to be responsible?
They may have been ignorant of evil and the difference between good and
evil, but they certainly KNEW what OBEDIENCE to God was, and what He
commanded them, so they ARE responsible for that choice, NO matter, who or
what tempted them otherwise.
They couldn't know what obedience was unless God told them and nowhere in
the bible does it state that he told them what obedience meant.
I mean, these were the first people, they had no experience whatsoever, God
should have protected them, like we would do with a baby, or any animal will
defend it's young.
No moral person would knowingly leave an innocent, naive person(s) alone to
fend for themselves against an evil talking snake! Would they?
There minds were like a blackboard whipped clean, they were ready, willing
and able to learn if only God had thought to teach them instead of deceiving
them.
You understand this, don't you Dore!
You wouldn't have left your own daughter out on the street alone to be
influenced by a stranger, would you?
No, I didn't think so, but God did!
Cindy
cont
Q. Why would Satan voluntarily obey God by punishing and torturing
his
very own allies?
A. Because God and Satan are the same person.
That really isn't obeying God, but Satan, by his evil nature, enjoys the
punishing and torturing. To Satan NO ONE is his allies, for he thinks of
himself above all, and those who serve him, he mocks, stabs in the back,
rules over treacherously, makes fun of because they were stupid enough to
listen to him, and kicks them around as slaves.
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Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"Red Dragon" <tskhoon@streamyx.com> wrote in message
news:412983dc$1_1@news.tm.net.my...
Why did the law allow killer and victim to live in the same country and
meet
each other?
Because the victim and the killer are the same person.
We are talking about responsiblity. Before eating the appple, Adam and
Eve were devoid of knowledge of what is good or evil, alike a 3 year
old baby. Remember that God did not give them a mind like yours today.
What I understand is that "sex" was also not in their vocabulary.
Exactly
like the mentality of a 3 year old child. If the father allowed a King
Cobra to live in the same house and one day the cobra bit the baby, who
is
to be responsible?
Can you please write waht was the cause? I would like to reply but I
don't
have the Bible.
Can you please write properly spelt words?
Q. Why would Satan voluntarily obey God by punishing and torturing
his
very own allies?
A. Because God and Satan are the same person.
I dont understand this. Kindly elaborate. Who is allies to Satan?
Sadam
Hussein?
Khoon.
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01 Sep 2004 03:06:59 PM |
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georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<BD5B58EF.20760%chenault@mindspring.com>...
Would you be so judgmental about a few cracked eggs if someone was making you
an omelet? Sounds like you wouldn't allow them to finish the job without
whining about it.
"Puck Greenman" wrote:
Why should we not be critical, of an all knowing, all powerful, god, who cant
get anything right, and then blames his creation, for his own mistakes?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
There will have been no mistakes.
Then why does god express regrets in the bible?
You forget, God isn't bound by time. And what you think is wrong today will
be right tomorrow. Only you just don't know it yet and He does.
Ah, so god can alter morality, make evil good and good evil. He
should be a politician.
Surely you've heard of Him. He was born a man some ~2000 years ago and His
name is Jesus of Nazareth.
"Puck Greenman" wrote:
Which is interesting, because there is no historic mention of a place called
Nazareth, until several years *after* he died..
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Do you know of any biography that is written prior to someone's life?
Non sequitur. The point was that *Nazareth* didn't exist when he's
supposed to have been alive, therefore he couldn't have been "Jesus of
*Nazareth.*"
"Puck Greenman" wrote:
Do you think, perhaps, that he was not Jesus of Nazareth, but Jesus the
Nazarite?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
No.
How do you explain the discrepency?
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| User: "georgann" |
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08 Sep 2004 07:22:27 AM |
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Would you be so judgmental about a few cracked eggs if someone was making
you an omelet? Sounds like you wouldn't allow them to finish the job
without whining about it.
"Puck Greenman" wrote:
Why should we not be critical, of an all knowing, all powerful, god, who
cant get anything right, and then blames his creation, for his own mistakes?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
There will have been no mistakes.
"JessHC" wrote:
Then why does god express regrets in the bible?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
His regret applied to those formed of the dust into which He had breathed
the breath of life. Read Genesis 6. His regret applied therefore to their
immortality. Read where He determines that His Spirit will not "contend
with" man forever. So with the flood He makes those who would otherwise be
immortal, mortal. Genesis 6. Read it closely. The flood only applies to
those in whom God breathed the breath of life. Not also those created in the
image of God. IOW evolutionary man was made extinct in favor of the created
man that God approved and saved via Noah's line.
You forget, God isn't bound by time. And what you think is wrong today will
be right tomorrow. Only you just don't know it yet and He does.
"JessHC" wrote:
Ah, so god can alter morality, make evil good and good evil. He should be a
politician.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
He doesn't need politics. He has complete dominion already.
Surely you've heard of Him. He was born a man some ~2000 years ago and His
name is Jesus of Nazareth.
"Puck Greenman" wrote:
Which is interesting, because there is no historic mention of a place called
Nazareth, until several years *after* he died..
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Do you know of any biography that is written prior to someone's life?
"JessHC" wrote:
Non sequitur. The point was that *Nazareth* didn't exist when he's supposed
to have been alive, therefore he couldn't have been "Jesus of *Nazareth.*"
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Irrelevant. Prophecy of the OT pointed to many things that weren't yet in
existence. Including Jesus Himself.
"Puck Greenman" wrote:
Do you think, perhaps, that he was not Jesus of Nazareth, but Jesus the
Nazarite?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
No.
"JessHC" wrote:
How do you explain the discrepency?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
There is no discrepancy. You're grasping at straws.
--
(`'.(`'.(`'. .').').')
`. . `
All your prophecy are belong to Christ!
(.'(.'(.' `'.)`'.)`'.)
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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10 Sep 2004 09:26:02 PM |
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georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
JessHC wrote:
Then why does god express regrets in the bible?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
His regret applied to those formed of the dust into which He had breathed
the breath of life. Read Genesis 6. His regret applied therefore to their
immortality. Read where He determines that His Spirit will not "contend
with" man forever. So with the flood He makes those who would otherwise be
immortal, mortal. Genesis 6. Read it closely. The flood only applies to
those in whom God breathed the breath of life. Not also those created in the
image of God. IOW evolutionary man was made extinct in favor of the created
man that God approved and saved via Noah's line.
Wow, you're starting to sound just like Jack Van Impe!
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://www.eapnews.com
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| User: "Andrew W \Paranormal Agnostic" |
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29 Aug 2004 04:05:27 PM |
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"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BD5749E8.1F3B2%chenault@mindspring.com...
God doesn't.
"Andrew W (Paranormal Agnostic)" wrote:
How do you know? Because the bible says so? Do you believe everything you
read?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
No I don't believe everything I read cause I don't always understand it
fully.
But as to God's perfection I have no doubt.
And how do know God's perfection from man's wishful pious poetry about what
they thought might be a God's perfection?
What makes you think he has any more perfection than any other life from in
the cosmos other than what men have written and assumed in their fevered
passion?
--
Andrew W.
"If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save
you..."
~ Jesus. The Gospel of Thomas.
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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29 Aug 2004 07:27:39 PM |
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On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 12:52:57 GMT, georgann <chenault@mindspring.com>
wrote:
"AnotherObserver" wrote:
Very fair of you as I do not blame God for anything. I'm not afraid to take
responsibility for myself. I ***** up. Who doesn't?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
God doesn't.
"Andrew W (Paranormal Agnostic)" wrote:
How do you know? Because the bible says so? Do you believe everything you
read?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
No I don't believe everything I read cause I don't always understand it
fully.
But as to God's perfection I have no doubt.
Just like stone age goatherds had no doubt the world was flat.
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| User: "Barry OGrady" |
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03 Sep 2004 08:10:14 AM |
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On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 00:12:53 GMT, georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote:
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Actually, understand does not require detailed information. It requires
intelligence, perception and or intuition.
"AnotherObserver" wrote:
My intuition said "Don't believe it". So, what can be said?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
It can be said that you've made a choice and cannot blame God for the
outcome.
"AnotherObserver" wrote:
Very fair of you as I do not blame God for anything. I'm not afraid to take
responsibility for myself. I ***** up. Who doesn't?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
God doesn't.
Fucking up requires existence.
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-Barry
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Web page: http://members.iinet.net.au/~barry.og
Atheist, radio scanner, LIPD information.
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| User: "AnotherObserver" |
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02 Sep 2004 09:45:11 AM |
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georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote:
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Actually, understand does not require detailed information. It requires
intelligence, perception and or intuition.
"AnotherObserver" wrote:
My intuition said "Don't believe it". So, what can be said?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
It can be said that you've made a choice and cannot blame God for the
outcome.
"AnotherObserver" wrote:
Very fair of you as I do not blame God for anything. I'm not afraid to take
responsibility for myself. I ***** up. Who doesn't?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
God doesn't.
So the Lord said, "I will destroy man whom I have created from the
face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the
air, for I am sorry that I have made them.''
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Davidwd
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irreligionist
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| User: "georgann" |
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02 Sep 2004 07:54:35 PM |
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Very fair of you as I do not blame God for anything. I'm not afraid to take
responsibility for myself. I ***** up. Who doesn't?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
God doesn't.
"AnotherObserver" wrote:
So the Lord said, "I will destroy man whom I have created from the
face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the
air, for I am sorry that I have made them.''
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
The man "formed of the dust of the earth" (your beloved man from evolution)
was not a mistake ... just not what He wanted man to become.
Little more than raw material, you could say.
--
(`'.(`'.(`'. .').').')
`. . `
All your prophecy are belong to Christ!
(.'(.'(.' `'.)`'.)`'.)
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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02 Sep 2004 08:16:02 PM |
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"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BD5D390A.20EE4%chenault@mindspring.com...
Very fair of you as I do not blame God for anything. I'm not afraid
to take
responsibility for myself. I ***** up. Who doesn't?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
God doesn't.
"AnotherObserver" wrote:
So the Lord said, "I will destroy man whom I have created from the
face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the
air, for I am sorry that I have made them.''
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
The man "formed of the dust of the earth" (your beloved man from
evolution)
was not a mistake ... just not what He wanted man to become.
So, your god isn't powerful enough to do things right the first time?
Oooookay.
--
__________
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "georgann" |
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03 Sep 2004 06:28:07 AM |
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Very fair of you as I do not blame God for anything. I'm not afraid to
take responsibility for myself. I ***** up. Who doesn't?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
God doesn't.
"AnotherObserver" wrote:
So the Lord said, "I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of
the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am
sorry that I have made them.''
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
The man "formed of the dust of the earth" (your beloved man from evolution)
was not a mistake ... just not what He wanted man to become.
"Robibnikoff" wrote:
So, your god isn't powerful enough to do things right the first time?
Oooookay.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Not so fast. The other part of that thought is that He now has man created
in His own image, male and female (not woman taken from man). Very important
is that they were "created" not "formed of the dust". And not also made
extinct with the flood of Noah which killed everything "with the breath of
life" - that would be the "formed of the dust" man things.
--
(`'.(`'.(`'. .').').')
`. . `
All your prophecy are belong to Christ!
(.'(.'(.' `'.)`'.)`'.)
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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03 Sep 2004 07:52:00 AM |
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"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BD5DCD86.212F5%chenault@mindspring.com...
Very fair of you as I do not blame God for anything. I'm not afraid
to
take responsibility for myself. I ***** up. Who doesn't?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
God doesn't.
"AnotherObserver" wrote:
So the Lord said, "I will destroy man whom I have created from the
face of
the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air,
for I am
sorry that I have made them.''
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
The man "formed of the dust of the earth" (your beloved man from
evolution)
was not a mistake ... just not what He wanted man to become.
"Robibnikoff" wrote:
So, your god isn't powerful enough to do things right the first time?
Oooookay.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Not so fast. The other part of that thought is that He now has man created
in His own image, male and female (not woman taken from man). Very
important
is that they were "created" not "formed of the dust". And not also made
extinct with the flood of Noah which killed everything "with the breath of
life" - that would be the "formed of the dust" man things.
Thanks for not answering my question and resorting to some kind of babble
instead.
--
__________
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "AnotherObserver" |
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03 Sep 2004 04:57:57 PM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
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georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
The man "formed of the dust of the earth" (your beloved man from
evolution)
was not a mistake ... just not what He wanted man to become.
"Robibnikoff" wrote:
So, your god isn't powerful enough to do things right the first time?
Oooookay.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Not so fast. The other part of that thought is that He now has man created
in His own image, male and female (not woman taken from man). Very
important
is that they were "created" not "formed of the dust". And not also made
extinct with the flood of Noah which killed everything "with the breath of
life" - that would be the "formed of the dust" man things.
Thanks for not answering my question and resorting to some kind of babble
instead.
Babble indeed! Exactly what is the difference between the ideas
"created" and "formed of the dust"?
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Davidwd
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irreligionist
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| User: "georgann" |
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05 Sep 2004 07:40:49 AM |
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"AnotherObserver" wrote:
Babble indeed! Exactly what is the difference between the ideas
"created" and "formed of the dust"?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
"Formed" as it is used this context in the Hebrew / Aramaic texts of Genesis
2 means fashioned from a pre-existing material. In this case dust / earth.
"Created" as it is used this context in the Hebrew / Aramaic texts of
Genesis 1 means brought into being from nothing.
Most people confuse the order of occurrence because of the order in which
they read it. They assume incorrectly that the created man on Day 6 precedes
the man formed of the dust. He does not.
--
(`'.(`'.(`'. .').').')
`. . `
All your prophecy are belong to Christ!
(.'(.'(.' `'.)`'.)`'.)
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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05 Sep 2004 07:19:12 PM |
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On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 12:40:49 GMT, georgann <chenault@mindspring.com>
wrote:
"AnotherObserver" wrote:
Babble indeed! Exactly what is the difference between the ideas
"created" and "formed of the dust"?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
"Formed" as it is used this context in the Hebrew / Aramaic texts of Genesis
2 means fashioned from a pre-existing material. In this case dust / earth.
You are scholar in Hebrew or Aramaic? No? Kindly keep your silly mouth
shut then. You are now projecting.
"Created" as it is used this context in the Hebrew / Aramaic texts of
Genesis 1 means brought into being from nothing.
Projection!
Most people confuse the order of occurrence because of the order in which
they read it. They assume incorrectly that the created man on Day 6 precedes
the man formed of the dust. He does not.
You do nothing else but assume.
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| User: "georgann" |
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05 Sep 2004 07:31:10 PM |
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"AnotherObserver" wrote:
Babble indeed! Exactly what is the difference between the ideas
"created" and "formed of the dust"?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
"Formed" as it is used this context in the Hebrew / Aramaic texts of Genesis
2 means fashioned from a pre-existing material. In this case dust / earth.
"Jos Flachs" wrote:
You are scholar in Hebrew or Aramaic? No? Kindly keep your silly mouth
shut then. You are now projecting.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
I have a Hebrew / Aramaic Concordance and several other reference books that
make the matter very plain. I'm sorry for you if you think you must become a
scholar in every matter under the sun before you can express yourself
accurately.
"Created" as it is used this context in the Hebrew / Aramaic texts of
Genesis 1 means brought into being from nothing.
"Jos Flachs" wrote:
Projection!
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Wrong!
Most people confuse the order of occurrence because of the order in which
they read it. They assume incorrectly that the created man on Day 6 precedes
the man formed of the dust. He does not.
"Jos Flachs" wrote:
You do nothing else but assume.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
No. I research.
--
(`'.(`'.(`'. .').').')
`. . `
All your prophecy are belong to Christ!
(.'(.'(.' `'.)`'.)`'.)
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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06 Sep 2004 07:14:03 PM |
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On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 00:31:10 GMT, georgann <chenault@mindspring.com>
wrote:
You are scholar in Hebrew or Aramaic? No? Kindly keep your silly mouth
shut then. You are now projecting.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
I have a Hebrew / Aramaic Concordance and several other reference books that
make the matter very plain. I'm sorry for you if you think you must become a
scholar in every matter under the sun before you can express yourself
accurately.
Oh, I'm so sorry. I merely speak seven languages. Contemporary
languages, mind you. I know how difficult it is to translate a text
without changing the meaning. And that is just translating from Dutch
to English, or from English to German or Thai.
Ancient Hebrew and Aramaic are at least several magnitudes more
difficult. Especially for someone like yourself who knows next to
nothing about history. Your knowledge of early christianity is not
much different from a none too bright Sunday school kid.
"Created" as it is used this context in the Hebrew / Aramaic texts of
Genesis 1 means brought into being from nothing.
"Jos Flachs" wrote:
Projection!
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Wrong!
Why don't you go play with your Etch-a-Sketch, love? I'm getting
tired of your "is not - is so!" argumentation. According to the bible
man (singular) was formed out of clay. Woman (singular) out of a rib
of that clay man. But then, you commit adultery and pretend you won't
go to hell either.
Most people confuse the order of occurrence because of the order in which
they read it. They assume incorrectly that the created man on Day 6 precedes
the man formed of the dust. He does not.
"Jos Flachs" wrote:
You do nothing else but assume.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
No. I research.
Using Dr. Seuss, I assume.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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06 Sep 2004 08:23:05 PM |
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"Jos Flachs" <|wcruise|@ksc15.th.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 00:31:10 GMT, georgann <chenault@mindspring.com>
wrote:
You are scholar in Hebrew or Aramaic? No? Kindly keep your silly mouth
shut then. You are now projecting.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
I have a Hebrew / Aramaic Concordance and several other reference books
that
make the matter very plain. I'm sorry for you if you think you must
become a
scholar in every matter under the sun before you can express yourself
accurately.
Oh, I'm so sorry. I merely speak seven languages. Contemporary
languages, mind you. I know how difficult it is to translate a text
without changing the meaning. And that is just translating from Dutch
to English, or from English to German or Thai.
Ancient Hebrew and Aramaic are at least several magnitudes more
difficult. Especially for someone like yourself who knows next to
nothing about history. Your knowledge of early christianity is not
much different from a none too bright Sunday school kid.
"Created" as it is used this context in the Hebrew / Aramaic texts of
Genesis 1 means brought into being from nothing.
"Jos Flachs" wrote:
Projection!
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Wrong!
Why don't you go play with your Etch-a-Sketch, love? I'm getting
tired of your "is not - is so!" argumentation. According to the bible
man (singular) was formed out of clay. Woman (singular) out of a rib
of that clay man. But then, you commit adultery and pretend you won't
go to hell either.
Most people confuse the order of occurrence because of the order in
which
they read it. They assume incorrectly that the created man on Day 6
precedes
the man formed of the dust. He does not.
"Jos Flachs" wrote:
You do nothing else but assume.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
No. I research.
Using Dr. Seuss, I assume.
She's full of ***** - She doesn't research. She plays around with that
stupid diagram of hers
--
__________
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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05 Sep 2004 10:51:56 AM |
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georgann wrote:
"AnotherObserver" wrote:
Babble indeed! Exactly what is the difference between the ideas
"created" and "formed of the dust"?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
"Formed" as it is used this context in the Hebrew / Aramaic texts of Genesis
2 means fashioned from a pre-existing material. In this case dust / earth.
"Created" as it is used this context in the Hebrew / Aramaic texts of
Genesis 1 means brought into being from nothing.
Most people confuse the order of occurrence because of the order in which
they read it. They assume incorrectly that the created man on Day 6 precedes
the man formed of the dust. He does not.
===>It is TWO DIFFERENT,
mutually contradictory stories, silly Gorgon! -- L.
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| User: "georgann" |
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05 Sep 2004 07:25:41 PM |
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"AnotherObserver╝" wrote:
Babble indeed! Exactly what is the difference between the ideas "created"
and "formed of the dust"?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
"Formed" as it is used this context in the Hebrew / Aramaic texts of Genesis
2 means fashioned from a pre-existing material. In this case dust / earth.
"Created" as it is used this context in the Hebrew / Aramaic texts of Genesis
1 means brought into being from nothing.
Most people confuse the order of occurrence because of the order in which
they read it. They assume incorrectly that the created man on Day 6 precedes
the man formed of the dust. He does not.
"Libertarius" wrote:
===>It is TWO DIFFERENT, mutually contradictory stories, silly Gorgon! -- L.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Silly is you. The stories are intended to give different information.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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06 Sep 2004 08:07:09 PM |
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georgann wrote:
"AnotherObserver╝" wrote:
Babble indeed! Exactly what is the difference between the ideas "created"
and "formed of the dust"?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
"Formed" as it is used this context in the Hebrew / Aramaic texts of Genesis
2 means fashioned from a pre-existing material. In this case dust / earth.
"Created" as it is used this context in the Hebrew / Aramaic texts of Genesis
1 means brought into being from nothing.
Most people confuse the order of occurrence because of the order in which
they read it. They assume incorrectly that the created man on Day 6 precedes
the man formed of the dust. He does not.
"Libertarius" wrote:
===>It is TWO DIFFERENT, mutually contradictory stories, silly Gorgon! -- L.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Silly is you. The stories are intended to give different information.
===>Of course, Gorgon.
Two different stories intended to give different information.
Story #1 depicts the mighty ELOHIM creating the Universe.
Story #2 depicts a childish, incompetent, bungling deity named
YHWH ELOHIM sculpting man and animals out of mud,
and blowing air into their noses to make them alive.
Later (Ch. 6) he is sorry he did it. ;-) -- L.
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| User: "georgann" |
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08 Sep 2004 07:28:05 AM |
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georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
"Formed" as it is used this context in the Hebrew / Aramaic texts of
Genesis 2 means fashioned from a pre-existing material. In this case dust /
earth.
"Created" as it is used this context in the Hebrew / Aramaic texts of
Genesis 1 means brought into being from nothing.
Most people confuse the order of occurrence because of the order in which
they read it. They assume incorrectly that the created man on Day 6
precedes the man formed of the dust. He does not.
"Libertarius" wrote:
===>It is TWO DIFFERENT, mutually contradictory stories, silly Gorgon! -- L.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Silly is you. The stories are intended to give different information.
"Libertarius" wrote:
Of course, Gorgon. Two different stories intended to give different
information. Story #1 depicts the mighty ELOHIM creating the Universe. Story
#2 depicts a childish, incompetent, bungling deity named YHWH ELOHIM sculpting
man and animals out of mud, and blowing air into their noses to make them
alive. Later (Ch. 6) he is sorry he did it.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Not different stories. Different information pertaining to related stories.
In Genesis 6 His regret was in making from the dust the man who had in him
the breath of life. And that man, only that man, is specifically ended with
the flood of Noah. "All in whom was the breath of life".
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All your prophecy are belong to Christ!
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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03 Sep 2004 07:05:56 PM |
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On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 11:28:07 GMT, georgann <chenault@mindspring.com>
wrote:
"Robibnikoff" wrote:
So, your god isn't powerful enough to do things right the first time?
Oooookay.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Not so fast.
Okay.
S o , y o ur g o d i s n ' t p o w e r f u l e n o u g h t o
d o t h i n g s r i g h t t h e f i r s t t i m e ?
Slow enough for you?
The other part of that thought is that He now has man created
in His own image, male and female (not woman taken from man).
Contrary to the bible, love.
Very important
is that they were "created" not "formed of the dust".
Contrary to the bible, love.
And not also made
extinct with the flood of Noah which killed everything "with the breath of
life" - that would be the "formed of the dust" man things.
Contrary to the bible, love.
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| User: "georgann" |
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05 Sep 2004 07:49:16 AM |
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georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Not so fast.
"Jos Flachs" wrote:
Okay.
S o , y o ur g o d i s n ' t p o w e r f u l e n o u g h t o d o t h
i n g s r i g h t t h e f i r s t t i m e ?
Slow enough for you?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
How very adorable.
The other part of that thought is that He now has man created in His own
image, male and female (not woman taken from man).
"Jos Flachs" wrote:
Contrary to the bible, love.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Consistent with the Bible. Read Genesis 1.
Very important is that they were "created" not "formed of the dust".
"Jos Flachs" wrote:
Contrary to the bible, love.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Perfectly consistent with the Bible. Read Genesis 1 & 2.
And not also made extinct with the flood of Noah which killed everything
"with the breath of life" - that would be the "formed of the dust" man
things.
"Jos Flachs" wrote:
Contrary to the bible, love.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Wrong. Consistent with the Bible. Regarding the flood of Noah, Genesis 7:22,
"of all that was on the dry land, all in whose nostrils was the breath of
the spirit of life, died."
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All your prophecy are belong to Christ!
(.'(.'(.' `'.)`'.)`'.)
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: God and Satan are the same person. |
04 Sep 2004 08:25:53 AM |
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On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 07:05:56 +0700 in episode
<lhpgj0p5atrui5lbelmcapjv2k5ufka3tt@4ax.com> we saw our hero Jos Flachs
<|wcruise|@ksc15.th.com>:
On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 11:28:07 GMT, georgann <chenault@mindspring.com>
wrote:
"Robibnikoff" wrote:
So, your god isn't powerful enough to do things right the first time?
Oooookay.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Not so fast.
Okay.
S o , y o ur g o d i s n ' t p o w e r f u l e n o u g h t o d o t
h i n g s r i g h t t h e f i r s t t i m e ?
Slow enough for you?
I doubt it...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "AnotherObserver" |
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03 Sep 2004 05:01:37 PM |
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georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote:
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georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
The man "formed of the dust of the earth" (your beloved man from evolution)
was not a mistake ... just not what He wanted man to become.
"Robibnikoff" wrote:
So, your god isn't powerful enough to do things right the first time?
Oooookay.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Not so fast. The other part of that thought is that He now has man created
in His own image, male and female (not woman taken from man). Very important
is that they were "created" not "formed of the dust". And not also made
extinct with the flood of Noah which killed everything "with the breath of
life" - that would be the "formed of the dust" man things.
Therefore, today, we are all descendants of "the breath of life"?
--
Davidwd
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irreligionist
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| User: "georgann" |
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05 Sep 2004 07:44:12 AM |
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"Robibnikoff" wrote:
So, your god isn't powerful enough to do things right the first time?
Oooookay.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Not so fast. The other part of that thought is that He now has man created
in His own image, male and female (not woman taken from man). Very important
is that they were "created" not "formed of the dust". And not also made
extinct with the flood of Noah which killed everything "with the breath of
life" - that would be the "formed of the dust" man things.
"AnotherObserver" wrote:
Therefore, today, we are all descendants of "the breath of life"?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Just the opposite.
All those of "the breath of life" were made extinct with the flood of Noah.
We are descendants of the man created in the image of God, male and female.
--
(`'.(`'.(`'. .').').')
`. . `
All your prophecy are belong to Christ!
(.'(.'(.' `'.)`'.)`'.)
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| User: "AnotherObserver" |
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05 Sep 2004 12:25:34 PM |
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georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote:
"Robibnikoff" wrote:
So, your god isn't powerful enough to do things right the first time?
Oooookay.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Not so fast. The other part of that thought is that He now has man created
in His own image, male and female (not woman taken from man). Very important
is that they were "created" not "formed of the dust". And not also made
extinct with the flood of Noah which killed everything "with the breath of
life" - that would be the "formed of the dust" man things.
"AnotherObserver" wrote:
Therefore, today, we are all descendants of "the breath of life"?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Just the opposite.
All those of "the breath of life" were made extinct with the flood of Noah.
We are descendants of the man created in the image of God, male and female.
Okay, apologies. After reading your response about TEN TIMES, the
question was all I could conclude.
Therefore, we are descendants of the dust and are not capable of
knowing God?
--
Davidwd
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irreligionist
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| User: "georgann" |
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05 Sep 2004 07:27:23 PM |
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Not so fast. The other part of that thought is that He now has man created
in His own image, male and female (not woman taken from man). Very
important is that they were "created" not "formed of the dust". And not
also made extinct with the flood of Noah which killed everything "with the
breath of life" - that would be the "formed of the dust" man things.
"AnotherObserver" wrote:
Therefore, today, we are all descendants of "the breath of life"?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Just the opposite.
All those of "the breath of life" were made extinct with the flood of Noah.
We are descendants of the man created in the image of God, male and female.
"AnotherObserver" wrote:
Okay, apologies. After reading your response about TEN TIMES, the question
was all I could conclude.
Therefore, we are descendants of the dust and are not capable of knowing God?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Wrong. If you were descendants of the dust you would be extinct. Never born.
--
(`'.(`'.(`'. .').').')
`. . `
All your prophecy are belong to Christ!
(.'(.'(.' `'.)`'.)`'.)
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| User: "AnotherObserver" |
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06 Sep 2004 10:37:06 AM |
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georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote:
Not so fast. The other part of that thought is that He now has man created
in His own image, male and female (not woman taken from man). Very
important is that they were "created" not "formed of the dust". And not
also made extinct with the flood of Noah which killed everything "with the
breath of life" - that would be the "formed of the dust" man things.
"AnotherObserver" wrote:
Therefore, today, we are all descendants of "the breath of life"?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Just the opposite.
All those of "the breath of life" were made extinct with the flood of Noah.
We are descendants of the man created in the image of God, male and female.
"AnotherObserver" wrote:
Okay, apologies. After reading your response about TEN TIMES, the question
was all I could conclude.
Therefore, we are descendants of the dust and are not capable of knowing God?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Wrong. If you were descendants of the dust you would be extinct. Never born.
Okay, so "the breath of life' and "from the dust" are the same people.
Confusion has been an unwelcomed friend of mine...time to up the meds.
--
Davidwd
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irreligionist
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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05 Sep 2004 10:53:39 AM |
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georgann wrote:
"Robibnikoff" wrote:
So, your god isn't powerful enough to do things right the first time?
Oooookay.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Not so fast. The other part of that thought is that He now has man created
in His own image, male and female (not woman taken from man). Very important
is that they were "created" not "formed of the dust". And not also made
extinct with the flood of Noah which killed everything "with the breath of
life" - that would be the "formed of the dust" man things.
"AnotherObserver" wrote:
Therefore, today, we are all descendants of "the breath of life"?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Just the opposite.
All those of "the breath of life" were made extinct with the flood of Noah.
We are descendants of the man created in the image of God, male and female.
===>Does that include Gorgon? ;-) -- L.
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