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"Cindy Cindy@nospam" |
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24 Aug 2004 06:47:39 PM |
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Re: God and Satan are the same person. |
"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Red Dragon" <tskhoon@streamyx.com> wrote in message
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Why did the law allow killer and victim to live in the same country and
meet
each other?
Because the victim and the killer are the same person.
We are talking about responsiblity. Before eating the appple, Adam and
Eve were devoid of knowledge of what is good or evil, alike a 3 year
old baby. Remember that God did not give them a mind like yours today.
What I understand is that "sex" was also not in their vocabulary.
Exactly
like the mentality of a 3 year old child. If the father allowed a King
Cobra to live in the same house and one day the cobra bit the baby, who
is
to be responsible?
They may have been ignorant of evil and the difference between good and
evil, but they certainly KNEW what OBEDIENCE to God was, and what He
commanded them, so they ARE responsible for that choice, NO matter, who or
what tempted them otherwise.
They couldn't know what obedience was unless God told them and nowhere in
the bible does it state that he told them what obedience meant.
I mean, these were the first people, they had no experience whatsoever, God
should have protected them, like we would do with a baby, or any animal will
defend it's young.
No moral person would knowingly leave an innocent, naive person(s) alone to
fend for themselves against an evil talking snake! Would they?
There minds were like a blackboard whipped clean, they were ready, willing
and able to learn if only God had thought to teach them instead of deceiving
them.
You understand this, don't you Dore!
You wouldn't have left your own daughter out on the street alone to be
influenced by a stranger, would you?
No, I didn't think so, but God did!
Cindy
cont
Q. Why would Satan voluntarily obey God by punishing and torturing
his
very own allies?
A. Because God and Satan are the same person.
That really isn't obeying God, but Satan, by his evil nature, enjoys the
punishing and torturing. To Satan NO ONE is his allies, for he thinks of
himself above all, and those who serve him, he mocks, stabs in the back,
rules over treacherously, makes fun of because they were stupid enough to
listen to him, and kicks them around as slaves.
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Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"Red Dragon" <tskhoon@streamyx.com> wrote in message
news:412983dc$1_1@news.tm.net.my...
Why did the law allow killer and victim to live in the same country and
meet
each other?
Because the victim and the killer are the same person.
We are talking about responsiblity. Before eating the appple, Adam and
Eve were devoid of knowledge of what is good or evil, alike a 3 year
old baby. Remember that God did not give them a mind like yours today.
What I understand is that "sex" was also not in their vocabulary.
Exactly
like the mentality of a 3 year old child. If the father allowed a King
Cobra to live in the same house and one day the cobra bit the baby, who
is
to be responsible?
Can you please write waht was the cause? I would like to reply but I
don't
have the Bible.
Can you please write properly spelt words?
Q. Why would Satan voluntarily obey God by punishing and torturing
his
very own allies?
A. Because God and Satan are the same person.
I dont understand this. Kindly elaborate. Who is allies to Satan?
Sadam
Hussein?
Khoon.
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| User: "Lawrence Seib" |
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| Title: Re: God and Satan are the same person. |
31 Aug 2004 12:12:37 PM |
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georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<BD59D1E8.1FDD3%chenault@mindspring.com>...
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
That's your delusion. RE: No atheist has ever been able to prove that He
does not exist.
"JessHC" wrote:
You must mean "no theist has ever been able to prove that He exists." There
are several logical proofs that your god doesn't exist.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
You may have seen several logical "arguments" in your wanderings, but I
guarantee they were not proofs.
"JessHC" wrote:
The christian god is described as omniscient and omnipotent, and is also
described as having granted free will. Omniscience and free will are
logically contradictory, therefore, unless the christian god can contradict
logic, it cannot exist. Omnipotence itself involves logical contradiction.
Additionally, the christian god is described as possessing or being infinite
love, but is also described as having created evil and strife. An nfinitely
loving being would not impose evil and strife on its children, therefore the
christian god cannot exist. An infinitely loving god would desire as much
happiness as possible for its children. However, hiding from its children
who are actively desiring it's embrace is not the act of an infinitely
loving god; therefore, the christian god cannot exist.
Please provide evidence the christian god can contradict logic.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
That won't be necessary, you see, because you blew it on your first
supposed point about omniscience and free will being logically
contradictory.
They may look contradictory to you due to a failure to
comprehend how they are not, but they are not.
How can there be free will if any deity knows what your
will do?
Larry
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| User: "georgann" |
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31 Aug 2004 12:51:12 PM |
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georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
That won't be necessary, you see, because you blew it on your first supposed
point about omniscience and free will being logically contradictory. They may
look contradictory to you due to a failure to comprehend how they are not,
but they are not.
"Lawrence Seib" wrote:
How can there be free will if any deity knows what your will do?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Easy. He is identical in the past present and future. To see your future
isn't the same as affecting it. All the choices are always yours.
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| User: "Puck Greenman" |
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01 Sep 2004 09:08:52 AM |
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On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 17:51:12 GMT, georgann <chenault@mindspring.com>
wrote:
Easy. He is identical in the past present and future. To see your future
isn't the same as affecting it. All the choices are always yours.
Is it possible to make a choice, which your god does not know we will
make.
If it is not, then there is no way to tell free willed humans, from
pre-programmed robots:
There is no difference, the future is fixed for both, and neither can
do anything about it.
How does that become "free will"?
--
Puck Greenman
#162
BAAWA Knight.
Blesed is the self righteous xtian,
for his is the sure and certain knowledge
that no matter what load of tripe he
comes out with:
God told him to say it.
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| User: "georgann" |
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01 Sep 2004 09:43:24 AM |
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Easy. He is identical in the past present and future. To see your future
isn't the same as affecting it. All the choices are always yours.
"Puck Greenman" wrote:
Is it possible to make a choice, which your god does not know we will make.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Incorrect.
"Puck Greenman" wrote:
If it is not, then there is no way to tell free willed humans, from
pre-programmed robots: There is no difference, the future is fixed for both,
and neither can do anything about it.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Also incorrect.
"Puck Greenman" wrote:
How does that become "free will"?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Because both of your premises are incorrect.
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«´¨`·.¸¸ ¸¸.·´¨ `»
All your prophecy are belong to Christ!
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| User: "JessHC" |
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01 Sep 2004 02:49:32 PM |
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georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<BD5B584B.2075E%chenault@mindspring.com>...
Easy. He is identical in the past present and future. To see your future
isn't the same as affecting it. All the choices are always yours.
"Puck Greenman" wrote:
Is it possible to make a choice, which your god does not know we will make.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Incorrect.
It was a question; how is it be incorrect?
"Puck Greenman" wrote:
If it is not, then there is no way to tell free willed humans, from
pre-programmed robots: There is no difference, the future is fixed for both,
and neither can do anything about it.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Also incorrect.
Thank you for that detailed explanation.
"Puck Greenman" wrote:
How does that become "free will"?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Because both of your premises are incorrect.
Non sequitur.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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01 Sep 2004 04:30:48 PM |
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On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 12:49:32 -0700 in episode
<d58e3ac.0409011149.3876a245@posting.google.com> we saw our hero
jesshc@phantomemail.com (JessHC):
georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:<BD5B584B.2075E%chenault@mindspring.com>...
Easy. He is identical in the past present and future. To see your
future isn't the same as affecting it. All the choices are always
yours.
"Puck Greenman" wrote:
Is it possible to make a choice, which your god does not know we will
make.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Incorrect.
It was a question; how is it be incorrect?
"Puck Greenman" wrote:
If it is not, then there is no way to tell free willed humans, from
pre-programmed robots: There is no difference, the future is fixed for
both, and neither can do anything about it.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Also incorrect.
Thank you for that detailed explanation.
"Puck Greenman" wrote:
How does that become "free will"?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Because both of your premises are incorrect.
Non sequitur.
Georgann's middle name is "non sequitur."
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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01 Sep 2004 09:16:27 AM |
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georgann wrote:
Easy. He is identical in the past present and future. To see your future
isn't the same as affecting it. All the choices are always yours.
"Puck Greenman" wrote:
Is it possible to make a choice, which your god does not know we will
make.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Incorrect.
Correct, but then yiou are notable unreasoning so
no one would expect rationallity out of you.
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| User: "Lawrence Seib" |
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31 Aug 2004 09:56:54 PM |
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georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<BD5A32CB.2019B%chenault@mindspring.com>...
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
That won't be necessary, you see, because you blew it on your first supposed
point about omniscience and free will being logically contradictory. They may
look contradictory to you due to a failure to comprehend how they are not,
but they are not.
"Lawrence Seib" wrote:
How can there be free will if any deity knows what your will do?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Easy. He is identical in the past present and future. To see your future
isn't the same as affecting it. All the choices are always yours.
If they can be seen, it is not possible to do otherwise,
thus free will is an illusion.
Larry
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| User: "georgann" |
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01 Sep 2004 09:36:12 AM |
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"Lawrence Seib" wrote:
How can there be free will if any deity knows what your will do?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Easy. He is identical in the past present and future. To see your future
isn't the same as affecting it. All the choices are always yours.
"Lawrence Seib" wrote:
If they can be seen, it is not possible to do otherwise, thus free will is an
illusion.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Wrong. His seeing your future is the same thing as seeing the past.
His seeing your future changes nothing of what you will do.
--
(`'·.¸(`'·.¸(`'·.¸ ¸.·'´)¸.·'´)¸.·'´)
«´¨`·.¸¸ ¸¸.·´¨ `»
All your prophecy are belong to Christ!
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| User: "JessHC" |
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01 Sep 2004 03:01:58 PM |
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georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<BD5B569B.2075B%chenault@mindspring.com>...
"Lawrence Seib" wrote:
How can there be free will if any deity knows what your will do?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Easy. He is identical in the past present and future. To see your future
isn't the same as affecting it. All the choices are always yours.
"Lawrence Seib" wrote:
If they can be seen, it is not possible to do otherwise, thus free will is an
illusion.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Wrong. His seeing your future is the same thing as seeing the past.
And how much free will does one have regarding one's past choices?
Can you change the past?
His seeing your future changes nothing of what you will do.
That's kind of the point.
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| User: "georgann" |
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05 Sep 2004 07:21:59 AM |
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georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Wrong. His seeing your future is the same thing as seeing the past.
"JessHC" wrote:
And how much free will does one have regarding one's past choices? Can you
change the past?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Great scott, man! Can this really be so hard for you?
God knows what you will do because He can see it from the perspective of
after you HAVE done it PRIOR to it having happened. All of your choices are
already known to Him.
His seeing your future changes nothing of what you will do.
"JessHC" wrote:
That's kind of the point.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
You have no point.
God's omniscience does nothing to affect your free will.
Atheists are pretty much proof of that.
--
(`'·.¸(`'·.¸(`'·.¸ ¸.·'´)¸.·'´)¸.·'´)
«´¨`·.¸¸ ¸¸.·´¨ `»
All your prophecy are belong to Christ!
(¸.·'´(¸.·'´(¸.·'´ `'·.¸)`'·.¸)`'·.¸)
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| User: "JessHC" |
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05 Sep 2004 02:06:35 PM |
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georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<BD607D26.21985%chenault@mindspring.com>...
"JessHC" wrote:
And how much free will does one have regarding one's past choices? Can you
change the past?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Great scott, man! Can this really be so hard for you?
Not in the least. It astounds me that you don't see the connection
between being unable to change the past, which is known, and being
unable to change the future, which is known to an omniscient god. It
astounds me that you can make the claim you do below, that every
choice that can ever be made has *already* been made as far as an
omniscient deity is concerned, and still insist that those choice
aren't *by necessity* predetermined and immutable. You apparently
haven't clued into the "fact" that, as far as an omniscient god is
concerned, *everything* is in the past.
Take, as a poor analogy, a film. As far as the characters in the film
(and the audience watching) are concerned, the events are unfolding at
they experience them. However, the denouement is fixed; it isn't
going to be different each time the film is shown. The characters
always make exactly the same choices.
That's how life appears to an omniscient god. It can view any
sequence, in any order, but the characters will always make the same
choices.
God knows what you will do because He can see it from the perspective of
after you HAVE done it PRIOR to it having happened. All of your choices are
already known to Him.
Great. Now explain how, if all of my choices "are already known to
Him," it is possible for me to freely choose to do *anything* other
than what is "already known to Him." Is that possible? Can I make a
choice different from what is "already known to him"?
His seeing your future changes nothing of what you will do.
"JessHC" wrote:
That's kind of the point.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
You have no point.
In fact, the point is that *you* can't reconcile "free will,"
"omniscience," and "predetermination." All you can do is wave your
hands and chant "You don't understand. God can do anything, it says
so in the bible."
God's omniscience does nothing to affect your free will.
Because, of course, god doesn't exist; stories don't actually affect
reality.
Atheists are pretty much proof of that.
Again, I agree, but not for the reasons you claim.
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| User: "JessHC" |
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05 Sep 2004 02:08:54 PM |
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georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<BD607D26.21985%chenault@mindspring.com>...
"JessHC" wrote:
And how much free will does one have regarding one's past choices? Can you
change the past?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Great scott, man! Can this really be so hard for you?
Not in the least. It astounds me that you don't see the connection
between being unable to change the past, which is known, and being
unable to change the future, which is known to an omniscient god. It
astounds me that you can make the claim you do below, that every
choice that can ever be made has *already* been made as far as an
omniscient deity is concerned, and still insist that those choice
aren't *by necessity* predetermined and immutable. You apparently
haven't clued into the "fact" that, as far as an omniscient god is
concerned, *everything* is in the past.
Take, as a poor analogy, a film. As far as the characters in the film
(and the audience watching) are concerned, the events are unfolding at
they experience them. However, the denouement is fixed; it isn't
going to be different each time the film is shown. The characters
always make exactly the same choices.
That's how life appears to an omniscient god. It can view any
sequence, in any order, but the characters will always make the same
choices.
God knows what you will do because He can see it from the perspective of
after you HAVE done it PRIOR to it having happened. All of your choices are
already known to Him.
Great. Now explain how, if all of my choices "are already known to
Him," it is possible for me to freely choose to do *anything* other
than what is "already known to Him." Is that possible? Can I make a
choice different from what is "already known to him"?
His seeing your future changes nothing of what you will do.
"JessHC" wrote:
That's kind of the point.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
You have no point.
In fact, the point is that *you* can't reconcile "free will,"
"omniscience," and "predetermination." All you can do is wave your
hands and chant "You don't understand. God can do anything, it says
so in the bible."
God's omniscience does nothing to affect your free will.
Because, of course, god doesn't exist; stories don't actually affect
reality.
Atheists are pretty much proof of that.
Again, I agree, but not for the reasons you claim.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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05 Sep 2004 10:50:02 AM |
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georgann wrote:
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Wrong. His seeing your future is the same thing as seeing the past.
"JessHC" wrote:
And how much free will does one have regarding one's past choices? Can you
change the past?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Great scott, man! Can this really be so hard for you?
God knows what you will do because He can see it from the perspective of
after you HAVE done it PRIOR to it having happened. All of your choices are
already known to Him.
===>That would mean he knowingly created Adam FOR FAILURE!
But Gen. 6 says he was sorry he did it, so he obviously did NOT know
"PRIOR to it having happened", as you claim! -- L.
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| User: "georgann" |
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08 Sep 2004 07:32:30 AM |
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"JessHC" wrote:
And how much free will does one have regarding one's past choices? Can you
change the past?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Great scott, man! Can this really be so hard for you?
God knows what you will do because He can see it from the perspective of
after you HAVE done it PRIOR to it having happened. All of your choices are
already known to Him.
"Libertarius" wrote:
That would mean he knowingly created Adam FOR FAILURE! But Gen. 6 says he
was sorry he did it, so he obviously did NOT know "PRIOR to it having
happened", as you claim!
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
On closer reading, in context, you will no doubt note that the subject is
God's regret of not having limited their "days to 120 (years)". A
technicality which He promptly took care of.
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«´¨`·.¸¸ ¸¸.·´¨ `»
All your prophecy are belong to Christ!
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08 Sep 2004 07:36:35 AM |
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"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BD64741C.22CD3%chenault@mindspring.com...
"JessHC" wrote:
And how much free will does one have regarding one's past choices? Can
you
change the past?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Great scott, man! Can this really be so hard for you?
God knows what you will do because He can see it from the perspective
of
after you HAVE done it PRIOR to it having happened. All of your choices
are
already known to Him.
"Libertarius" wrote:
That would mean he knowingly created Adam FOR FAILURE! But Gen. 6 says
he
was sorry he did it, so he obviously did NOT know "PRIOR to it having
happened", as you claim!
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
On closer reading, in context, you will no doubt note that the subject is
God's regret of not having limited their "days to 120 (years)". A
technicality which He promptly took care of.
Why didn't he just not have this "technicality" in the first place?
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Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "georgann" |
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08 Sep 2004 04:19:02 PM |
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georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Great scott, man! Can this really be so hard for you?
God knows what you will do because He can see it from the perspective of
after you HAVE done it PRIOR to it having happened. All of your choices are
already known to Him.
"Libertarius" wrote:
That would mean he knowingly created Adam FOR FAILURE! But Gen. 6 says he
was sorry he did it, so he obviously did NOT know "PRIOR to it having
happened", as you claim!
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
On closer reading, in context, you will no doubt note that the subject is
God's regret of not having limited their "days to 120 (years)". A
technicality which He promptly took care of.
"Robibnikoff" wrote:
Why didn't he just not have this "technicality" in the first place?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Because the immortality of man in God's presence is the ultimate goal. And
the way He has it worked out, that's exactly what He gets.
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«´¨`·.¸¸ ¸¸.·´¨ `»
All your prophecy are belong to Christ!
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: God and Satan are the same person. -- SORRY GOD DID NOT KNOW? |
09 Sep 2004 06:21:22 AM |
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"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BD64EF85.22E43%chenault@mindspring.com...
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Great scott, man! Can this really be so hard for you?
God knows what you will do because He can see it from the perspective
of
after you HAVE done it PRIOR to it having happened. All of your
choices are
already known to Him.
"Libertarius" wrote:
That would mean he knowingly created Adam FOR FAILURE! But Gen. 6 says
he
was sorry he did it, so he obviously did NOT know "PRIOR to it having
happened", as you claim!
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
On closer reading, in context, you will no doubt note that the subject
is
God's regret of not having limited their "days to 120 (years)". A
technicality which He promptly took care of.
"Robibnikoff" wrote:
Why didn't he just not have this "technicality" in the first place?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Because the immortality of man in God's presence is the ultimate goal.
Uh huh - Did he tell you this personally?
And
the way He has it worked out, that's exactly what He gets.
See above.
So, why go through all the ***** to get there?
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Resident Witchypoo
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09 Sep 2004 09:53:46 AM |
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georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<BD64EF85.22E43%chenault@mindspring.com>...
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Great scott, man! Can this really be so hard for you?
God knows what you will do because He can see it from the perspective of
after you HAVE done it PRIOR to it having happened. All of your choices are
already known to Him.
"Libertarius" wrote:
That would mean he knowingly created Adam FOR FAILURE! But Gen. 6 says he
was sorry he did it, so he obviously did NOT know "PRIOR to it having
happened", as you claim!
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
On closer reading, in context, you will no doubt note that the subject is
God's regret of not having limited their "days to 120 (years)". A
technicality which He promptly took care of.
"Robibnikoff" wrote:
Why didn't he just not have this "technicality" in the first place?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Because the immortality of man in God's presence is the ultimate goal. And
the way He has it worked out, that's exactly what He gets.
You just shift with the wind.
It's funny he didn't have it worked out to get exactly what he wanted
the first time. God regrets making humans immortal because it's not
the right kind of immortality, so he decides to start over, is that
what you're struggling to say? How is it possible for god to know
everything that will ever happen, and then create immortal creatures,
regret having made them immortal when he presumeably knew *as he was
creating them* exactly what the outcome would be, and then decide
they'd better not eat from the tree of the fruit of life lest they
become immortal?
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08 Sep 2004 11:14:25 PM |
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georgann wrote:
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Great scott, man! Can this really be so hard for you?
God knows what you will do because He can see it from the perspective
of after you HAVE done it PRIOR to it having happened. All of your
choices are already known to Him.
"Libertarius" wrote:
That would mean he knowingly created Adam FOR FAILURE! But Gen. 6 says
he was sorry he did it, so he obviously did NOT know "PRIOR to it
having happened", as you claim!
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
On closer reading, in context, you will no doubt note that the subject
is God's regret of not having limited their "days to 120 (years)". A
technicality which He promptly took care of.
"Robibnikoff" wrote:
Why didn't he just not have this "technicality" in the first place?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Because the immortality of man in God's presence is the ultimate goal. And
the way He has it worked out, that's exactly what He gets.
Gen 3:22
And the Lord God said, Behold, the man has become as one of
us; to know good and evil, therefore lest he reach out his hand
and take also and EAT AND LIVE FOREVER;
Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden,
to til the ground from which he was taken.
No, just the opposite. God did not want man kind knowing good
and evil and being immortal, becoming a god like god and his lout sons.
You simply refuse to read the bible with your brain in gear.
You simply cannot be honest about any of this, you refuse
to even try.
A perfect bad example to others.
Your stinky bible tells us god did not want mankind to be
immortal in the least.
Which is why personal immortality is missing in the
Torah.
--
Bush added $2 trillion in national debt in three years. The
biggest addition of national debt of any president. There are
280 million Americans. That is $3,333 per American, $13,332
For a family of four. Bush wants to make the tax cuts that are
generating these vast debts permanent.Vote Kerry, we cannot
afford more massive debt.
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "georgann" |
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09 Sep 2004 06:35:53 AM |
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On closer reading, in context, you will no doubt note that the subject is
God's regret of not having limited their "days to 120 (years)". A
technicality which He promptly took care of.
"Robibnikoff" wrote:
Why didn't he just not have this "technicality" in the first place?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Because the immortality of man in God's presence is the ultimate goal. And
the way He has it worked out, that's exactly what He gets.
"wbarwell" wrote:
Gen 3:22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man has become as one of us; to
know good and evil, therefore lest he reach out his hand and take also and EAT
AND LIVE FOREVER; Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of
Eden, to til the ground from which he was taken.
No, just the opposite. God did not want man kind knowing good and evil and
being immortal, becoming a god like god and his lout sons.
You simply refuse to read the bible with your brain in gear. You simply cannot
be honest about any of this, you refuse to even try. A perfect bad example to
others.
Your stinky bible tells us god did not want mankind to be immortal in the
least. Which is why personal immortality is missing in the Torah.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
You don't know what you're talking about.
At least I read the Bible all the way through. RE: The New Heaven and Earth
and the immortality of man
Revelation 21 1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first
heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea.
2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from
God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud
voice from the throne, saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men,
and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself
will be among them, 4 and He will wipe away every tear from their eyes;
and there will no longer be any death; there will no longer be any mourning,
or crying, or pain; the first things have passed away." 5 And He who sits
on the throne said, "Behold, I am making all things new." And He said,
"Write, for these words are faithful and true." 6 Then He said to me, "It
is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will
give to the one who thirsts from the spring of the water of life without
cost. 7 "He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be his God
and he will be My son.
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«´¨`·.¸¸ ¸¸.·´¨ `»
All your prophecy are belong to Christ!
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10 Sep 2004 09:35:22 PM |
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georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from
God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband.
This is a giant floating city coming down from the sky? A mother
ship, perhaps?
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://www.eapnews.com
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10 Sep 2004 10:59:55 PM |
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On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 02:35:22 +0000 in episode
<l1p4k0hodjtr9jhekut9c7jtovsbodsfvr@4ax.com> we saw our hero Elroy Willis
<elo@airmail.net>:
georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from
God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband.
This is a giant floating city coming down from the sky? A mother ship,
perhaps?
What do the Goauld call their ships again?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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11 Sep 2004 10:28:35 AM |
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Mark K. Bilbo <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in alt.atheism
we saw our hero Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net>:
georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from
God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband.
This is a giant floating city coming down from the sky? A mother ship,
perhaps?
What do the Goauld call their ships again?
I don't remember for sure, but I think they were Golden/Guolden
colored...
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://www.eapnews.com
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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11 Sep 2004 11:09:36 AM |
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On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 15:28:35 +0000 in episode
<6766k0l8ao4c1uuehimjcliql3c7kkvbe3@4ax.com> we saw our hero Elroy Willis
<elo@airmail.net>:
Mark K. Bilbo <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in alt.atheism
we saw our hero Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net>:
georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven
from
God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband.
This is a giant floating city coming down from the sky? A mother ship,
perhaps?
What do the Goauld call their ships again?
I don't remember for sure, but I think they were Golden/Guolden colored...
I think that deserves an eye roll. <g>
(I *still wish SG-1 would do an episode with a Goauld named "Yahweh" <eg>)
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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11 Sep 2004 12:59:29 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in alt.atheism
we saw our hero Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> write:
Mark K. Bilbo <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in alt.atheism
we saw our hero Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net>:
georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven
from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband.
This is a giant floating city coming down from the sky? A mother ship,
perhaps?
What do the Goauld call their ships again?
I don't remember for sure, but I think they were Golden/Guolden colored...
I think that deserves an eye roll. <g>
Maybe even a guffaw or a jafah or two...
Then were shaped like pyramids as well, so I imagine georgann would
be attracted to the idea like a golden magnet or moth to a flame,
don't you think... :)
(I *still wish SG-1 would do an episode with a Goauld named "Yahweh"
<eg>)
I'm waiting for a "miniature people" episode myself, with the premise
of Gulliver meeting some Ra-el-y small people on some other planet who
willingly shrunk themselves down to the size of mice, in order to
conserve natural resources... :)
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://www.eapnews.com
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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11 Sep 2004 03:07:25 PM |
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On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 17:59:29 +0000 in episode
<d1e6k09lpsrsd48uktacihkjjn5c2tpan2@4ax.com> we saw our hero Elroy Willis
<elo@airmail.net>:
Mark K. Bilbo <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in alt.atheism
we saw our hero Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> write:
Mark K. Bilbo <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in alt.atheism
we saw our hero Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net>:
georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven
from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband.
This is a giant floating city coming down from the sky? A mother
ship, perhaps?
What do the Goauld call their ships again?
I don't remember for sure, but I think they were Golden/Guolden
colored...
I think that deserves an eye roll. <g>
Maybe even a guffaw or a jafah or two...
Then were shaped like pyramids as well, so I imagine georgann would be
attracted to the idea like a golden magnet or moth to a flame, don't you
think... :)
(I *still wish SG-1 would do an episode with a Goauld named "Yahweh"
<eg>)
I'm waiting for a "miniature people" episode myself, with the premise of
Gulliver meeting some Ra-el-y small people on some other planet who
willingly shrunk themselves down to the size of mice, in order to conserve
natural resources... :)
Do Ha'tak have windshield wipers?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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09 Sep 2004 02:38:29 PM |
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georgann wrote:
"wbarwell" wrote:
Gen 3:22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man has become as one of us;
to know good and evil, therefore lest he reach out his hand and take also
and EAT AND LIVE FOREVER; Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the
garden of Eden, to til the ground from which he was taken.
No, just the opposite. God did not want man kind knowing good and evil
and being immortal, becoming a god like god and his lout sons.
You simply refuse to read the bible with your brain in gear. You simply
cannot be honest about any of this, you refuse to even try. A perfect bad
example to others.
Your stinky bible tells us god did not want mankind to be immortal in the
least. Which is why personal immortality is missing in the Torah.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
You don't know what you're talking about.
At least I read the Bible all the way through. RE: The New Heaven and
Earth and the immortality of man
The ramblings of relevations has nothing to do with
with Genesis 6. And nobody ever explains why god refused
to allow man to become gods as per Genesis 3:22
Jesus prophecied he'd preside over the end of the earth (Matt 24:3)
and Judgement day itself, Matt 16:27-8, (Matthew 25:31-6).
In this generation (Matt 24:36) in the lifetimes of "Some standing here"
(Matt 16:26-8) in the lifetime of the high priest ate Jerusalem
(Matt 26:64, Matt 24:30)
"This generation" was to see the sun and moon fail in their light,
the stars to fall from heaven, and Jesus to descend from heaven
with is fathers angels, who'd gather the elect.
This was all to happen 1930 years ago.
Revelations also fails for the same reasons, It didn't happen
long ago as 'prophecied'.
Its all bull doo doo, about as relevant as Mithraism.
And has nothing to do with the original argument you duffed
due to failure to attempt to even comprehend the argument at hand.
--
Bush added $2 trillion in national debt in three years. The
biggest addition of national debt of any president. There are
280 million Americans. That is $3,333 per American, $13,332
For a family of four. Bush wants to make the tax cuts that are
generating these vast debts permanent.Vote Kerry, we cannot
afford more massive debt.
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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10 Sep 2004 09:31:37 PM |
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georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Libertarius" wrote:
That would mean he knowingly created Adam FOR FAILURE! But Gen. 6 says he
was sorry he did it, so he obviously did NOT know "PRIOR to it having
happened", as you claim!
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
On closer reading, in context, you will no doubt note that the subject is
God's regret of not having limited their "days to 120 (years)". A
technicality which He promptly took care of.
From:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3110525.stm
"Health officials in the separatist Russian republic say great-great
grandmother Zabani Khakimova is 124 years old."
Looks like your god doesn't care about that limit any more, eh?
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://www.eapnews.com
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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11 Sep 2004 05:22:50 PM |
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Elroy Willis wrote:
georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Libertarius" wrote:
That would mean he knowingly created Adam FOR FAILURE! But Gen. 6 says he
was sorry he did it, so he obviously did NOT know "PRIOR to it having
happened", as you claim!
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
On closer reading, in context, you will no doubt note that the subject is
God's regret of not having limited their "days to 120 (years)". A
technicality which He promptly took care of.
From:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3110525.stm
"Health officials in the separatist Russian republic say great-great
grandmother Zabani Khakimova is 124 years old."
Looks like your god doesn't care about that limit any more, eh?
===>Maybe g-g grannny was an atheist? ;-) -- L.
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