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"Cindy Cindy@nospam" |
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24 Aug 2004 06:47:39 PM |
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Re: God and Satan are the same person. |
"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:5VPWc.3884$oA.2874@trndny04...
"Red Dragon" <tskhoon@streamyx.com> wrote in message
news:412983dc$1_1@news.tm.net.my...
Why did the law allow killer and victim to live in the same country and
meet
each other?
Because the victim and the killer are the same person.
We are talking about responsiblity. Before eating the appple, Adam and
Eve were devoid of knowledge of what is good or evil, alike a 3 year
old baby. Remember that God did not give them a mind like yours today.
What I understand is that "sex" was also not in their vocabulary.
Exactly
like the mentality of a 3 year old child. If the father allowed a King
Cobra to live in the same house and one day the cobra bit the baby, who
is
to be responsible?
They may have been ignorant of evil and the difference between good and
evil, but they certainly KNEW what OBEDIENCE to God was, and what He
commanded them, so they ARE responsible for that choice, NO matter, who or
what tempted them otherwise.
They couldn't know what obedience was unless God told them and nowhere in
the bible does it state that he told them what obedience meant.
I mean, these were the first people, they had no experience whatsoever, God
should have protected them, like we would do with a baby, or any animal will
defend it's young.
No moral person would knowingly leave an innocent, naive person(s) alone to
fend for themselves against an evil talking snake! Would they?
There minds were like a blackboard whipped clean, they were ready, willing
and able to learn if only God had thought to teach them instead of deceiving
them.
You understand this, don't you Dore!
You wouldn't have left your own daughter out on the street alone to be
influenced by a stranger, would you?
No, I didn't think so, but God did!
Cindy
cont
Q. Why would Satan voluntarily obey God by punishing and torturing
his
very own allies?
A. Because God and Satan are the same person.
That really isn't obeying God, but Satan, by his evil nature, enjoys the
punishing and torturing. To Satan NO ONE is his allies, for he thinks of
himself above all, and those who serve him, he mocks, stabs in the back,
rules over treacherously, makes fun of because they were stupid enough to
listen to him, and kicks them around as slaves.
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Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"Red Dragon" <tskhoon@streamyx.com> wrote in message
news:412983dc$1_1@news.tm.net.my...
Why did the law allow killer and victim to live in the same country and
meet
each other?
Because the victim and the killer are the same person.
We are talking about responsiblity. Before eating the appple, Adam and
Eve were devoid of knowledge of what is good or evil, alike a 3 year
old baby. Remember that God did not give them a mind like yours today.
What I understand is that "sex" was also not in their vocabulary.
Exactly
like the mentality of a 3 year old child. If the father allowed a King
Cobra to live in the same house and one day the cobra bit the baby, who
is
to be responsible?
Can you please write waht was the cause? I would like to reply but I
don't
have the Bible.
Can you please write properly spelt words?
Q. Why would Satan voluntarily obey God by punishing and torturing
his
very own allies?
A. Because God and Satan are the same person.
I dont understand this. Kindly elaborate. Who is allies to Satan?
Sadam
Hussein?
Khoon.
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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| Title: Re: God and Satan are the same person. -- SORRY GOD DID NOT KNOW? |
12 Sep 2004 09:01:04 AM |
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Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Libertarius" wrote:
That would mean he knowingly created Adam FOR FAILURE! But Gen.
6 says he was sorry he did it, so he obviously did NOT know "PRIOR to it
having happened", as you claim!
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
On closer reading, in context, you will no doubt note that the subject is
God's regret of not having limited their "days to 120 (years)". A
technicality which He promptly took care of.
From:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3110525.stm
"Health officials in the separatist Russian republic say great-great
grandmother Zabani Khakimova is 124 years old."
Looks like your god doesn't care about that limit any more, eh?
===>Maybe g-g grannny was an atheist? ;-) -- L.
Doesn't look like it:
"Despite her advanced age, she still works around the house, looks
after her numerous grandchildren, great-grandchildren and
great-great-grandchildren, and prays five times a day," said the
agency report."
Who she prays to is unclear, but since she's in Japan, I doubt
that it's YHWH or Jesus that she prays to...
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Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://www.eapnews.com
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: God and Satan are the same person. -- SORRY GOD DID NOT KNOW? |
12 Sep 2004 10:47:13 AM |
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Elroy Willis wrote:
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Libertarius" wrote:
That would mean he knowingly created Adam FOR FAILURE! But Gen.
6 says he was sorry he did it, so he obviously did NOT know "PRIOR to it
having happened", as you claim!
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
On closer reading, in context, you will no doubt note that the subject is
God's regret of not having limited their "days to 120 (years)". A
technicality which He promptly took care of.
From:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3110525.stm
"Health officials in the separatist Russian republic say great-great
grandmother Zabani Khakimova is 124 years old."
Looks like your god doesn't care about that limit any more, eh?
===>Maybe g-g grannny was an atheist? ;-) -- L.
Doesn't look like it:
"Despite her advanced age, she still works around the house, looks
after her numerous grandchildren, great-grandchildren and
great-great-grandchildren, and prays five times a day," said the
agency report."
Who she prays to is unclear, but since she's in Japan, I doubt
that it's YHWH or Jesus that she prays to...
===>Perhaps to a book (Lotus Sutra).
"Nam myoho renge kyo". ;-) -- L.
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| User: "JessHC" |
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| Title: Re: God and Satan are the same person. -- SORRY GOD DID NOT KNOW? |
09 Sep 2004 09:55:59 AM |
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georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<BD64741C.22CD3%chenault@mindspring.com>...
"JessHC" wrote:
And how much free will does one have regarding one's past choices? Can you
change the past?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Great scott, man! Can this really be so hard for you?
God knows what you will do because He can see it from the perspective of
after you HAVE done it PRIOR to it having happened. All of your choices are
already known to Him.
"Libertarius" wrote:
That would mean he knowingly created Adam FOR FAILURE! But Gen. 6 says he
was sorry he did it, so he obviously did NOT know "PRIOR to it having
happened", as you claim!
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
On closer reading, in context, you will no doubt note that the subject is
God's regret of not having limited their "days to 120 (years)". A
technicality which He promptly took care of.
'Closer reading' is exactly what you want to avoid; the errors and
inconsistencies are too glaring to withstand such scrutiny. Why would
an omniscient, omnipotent being do anything that it knew beforehand it
would regret doing?
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| User: "georgann" |
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12 Sep 2004 06:20:56 PM |
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"JessHC" wrote:
Why would an omniscient, omnipotent being do anything that it knew beforehand
it would regret doing?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Free will my good man, free will.
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«´¨`·.¸¸ ¸¸.·´¨ `»
All your prophecy are belong to Christ!
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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12 Sep 2004 07:21:22 PM |
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"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BD6A5217.246B6%chenault@mindspring.com...
"JessHC" wrote:
Why would an omniscient, omnipotent being do anything that it knew
beforehand
it would regret doing?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
I fail to see how free will, what your god supposedly gave us, can be used
as an excuse for HIS repeated fuckups. Please do explain.
--
__________
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "georgann" |
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12 Sep 2004 07:34:00 PM |
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"JessHC" wrote:
Why would an omniscient, omnipotent being do anything that it knew
beforehand it would regret doing?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Free will my good man, free will.
"Robibnikoff" wrote:
I fail to see how free will, what your god supposedly gave us, can be used as
an excuse for HIS repeated fuckups. Please do explain.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Its not an excuse. Its the reason that a whole lot of early people were
complete corrupt degenerates. If they didn't have free will and could ONLY
choose to please God then they wouldn't need "weeding out". So God picked
the line (Noah's) that pleased Him and He ran with it.
Your failure to "see" how this works now becomes only your failure. Not His.
--
(`'·.¸(`'·.¸(`'·.¸ ¸.·'´)¸.·'´)¸.·'´)
«´¨`·.¸¸ ¸¸.·´¨ `»
All your prophecy are belong to Christ!
(¸.·'´(¸.·'´(¸.·'´ `'·.¸)`'·.¸)`'·.¸)
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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12 Sep 2004 07:38:08 PM |
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"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BD6A6337.2490E%chenault@mindspring.com...
"JessHC" wrote:
Why would an omniscient, omnipotent being do anything that it knew
beforehand it would regret doing?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Free will my good man, free will.
"Robibnikoff" wrote:
I fail to see how free will, what your god supposedly gave us, can be
used as
an excuse for HIS repeated fuckups. Please do explain.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Its not an excuse. Its the reason that a whole lot of early people were
complete corrupt degenerates. If they didn't have free will and could ONLY
choose to please God then they wouldn't need "weeding out". So God picked
the line (Noah's) that pleased Him and He ran with it.
So, why didn't he do it right the first time? Didn't he already know it was
going to be failure?
Your failure to "see" how this works now becomes only your failure. Not
His.
Hon, let me remind you for the ten millionth time - I don't BELIEVE in your
god. There's nothing to "see'.
Damn, you're stupid.
--
__________
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "georgann" |
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13 Sep 2004 06:23:49 AM |
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I fail to see how free will, what your god supposedly gave us, can be used
as an excuse for HIS repeated fuckups. Please do explain.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Its not an excuse. Its the reason that a whole lot of early people were
complete corrupt degenerates. If they didn't have free will and could ONLY
choose to please God then they wouldn't need "weeding out". So God picked the
line (Noah's) that pleased Him and He ran with it.
"Robibnikoff" wrote:
So, why didn't he do it right the first time? Didn't he already know it was
going to be failure?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
He did do it "right" for then. Just as everything He is doing now is
"right".
And it will end up exactly as He has planned no matter how myopic you are
about extinct, may be extinct and / or will be extinct creatures.
--
(`'·.¸(`'·.¸(`'·.¸ ¸.·'´)¸.·'´)¸.·'´)
«´¨`·.¸¸ ¸¸.·´¨ `»
All your prophecy are belong to Christ!
(¸.·'´(¸.·'´(¸.·'´ `'·.¸)`'·.¸)`'·.¸)
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: God and Satan are the same person. -- SORRY GOD DID NOT KNOW? |
13 Sep 2004 06:32:00 AM |
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"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BD6AFB83.24B30%chenault@mindspring.com...
I fail to see how free will, what your god supposedly gave us, can be
used
as an excuse for HIS repeated fuckups. Please do explain.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Its not an excuse. Its the reason that a whole lot of early people were
complete corrupt degenerates. If they didn't have free will and could
ONLY
choose to please God then they wouldn't need "weeding out". So God
picked the
line (Noah's) that pleased Him and He ran with it.
"Robibnikoff" wrote:
So, why didn't he do it right the first time? Didn't he already know it
was
going to be failure?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
He did do it "right" for then.
Why not? Sorry, but I wouldn't expect an all-knowing deity to make
mistakes.
Just as everything He is doing now is
"right".
Yeah, right. Are the recent hurricanes buffeting Florida "right" to you?
And it will end up exactly as He has planned no matter how myopic you are
about extinct, may be extinct and / or will be extinct creatures.
What the hell are you going on about now?
--
__________
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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13 Sep 2004 09:03:22 AM |
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On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 07:32:00 -0400 in episode
<2qlephF11cg1iU1@uni-berlin.de> we saw our hero "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com>:
"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BD6AFB83.24B30%chenault@mindspring.com...
I fail to see how free will, what your god supposedly gave us, can be
used
as an excuse for HIS repeated fuckups. Please do explain.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Its not an excuse. Its the reason that a whole lot of early people
were complete corrupt degenerates. If they didn't have free will and
could ONLY
choose to please God then they wouldn't need "weeding out". So God
picked the
line (Noah's) that pleased Him and He ran with it.
"Robibnikoff" wrote:
So, why didn't he do it right the first time? Didn't he already know
it was
going to be failure?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
He did do it "right" for then.
Why not? Sorry, but I wouldn't expect an all-knowing deity to make
mistakes.
Actually, she's edging quite close to what you might call the "deceptive
creator." The one who "created" everything to look like the world is
governed by natural forces so more people would fail to believe this "god"
exists and, hence, provide lots and lots of people to toss into hell...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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13 Sep 2004 09:23:32 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:dImdnaN1bMs3NdjcRVn-vA@megapath.net...
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 07:32:00 -0400 in episode
<2qlephF11cg1iU1@uni-berlin.de> we saw our hero "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com>:
"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BD6AFB83.24B30%chenault@mindspring.com...
I fail to see how free will, what your god supposedly gave us, can be
used
as an excuse for HIS repeated fuckups. Please do explain.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Its not an excuse. Its the reason that a whole lot of early people
were complete corrupt degenerates. If they didn't have free will and
could ONLY
choose to please God then they wouldn't need "weeding out". So God
picked the
line (Noah's) that pleased Him and He ran with it.
"Robibnikoff" wrote:
So, why didn't he do it right the first time? Didn't he already know
it was
going to be failure?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
He did do it "right" for then.
Why not? Sorry, but I wouldn't expect an all-knowing deity to make
mistakes.
Actually, she's edging quite close to what you might call the "deceptive
creator." The one who "created" everything to look like the world is
governed by natural forces so more people would fail to believe this "god"
exists and, hence, provide lots and lots of people to toss into hell...
Lovely! :P
--
__________
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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13 Sep 2004 09:01:42 AM |
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On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:23:49 +0000 in episode
<BD6AFB83.24B30%chenault@mindspring.com> we saw our hero georgann
<chenault@mindspring.com>:
I fail to see how free will, what your god supposedly gave us, can be
used as an excuse for HIS repeated fuckups. Please do explain.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Its not an excuse. Its the reason that a whole lot of early people were
complete corrupt degenerates. If they didn't have free will and could
ONLY choose to please God then they wouldn't need "weeding out". So God
picked the line (Noah's) that pleased Him and He ran with it.
"Robibnikoff" wrote:
So, why didn't he do it right the first time? Didn't he already know it
was going to be failure?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
He did do it "right" for then. Just as everything He is doing now is
"right".
And it will end up exactly as He has planned no matter how myopic you are
about extinct, may be extinct and / or will be extinct creatures.
That's what we call a "just so" story. If everything this "god" did looks
just like natural forces did it, your belief in "god" is arbitrary.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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13 Sep 2004 09:34:27 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:23:49 +0000 in episode
<BD6AFB83.24B30%chenault@mindspring.com> we saw our hero georgann
<chenault@mindspring.com>:
I fail to see how free will, what your god supposedly gave us, can be
used as an excuse for HIS repeated fuckups. Please do explain.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Its not an excuse. Its the reason that a whole lot of early people were
complete corrupt degenerates. If they didn't have free will and could
ONLY choose to please God then they wouldn't need "weeding out". So God
picked the line (Noah's) that pleased Him and He ran with it.
"Robibnikoff" wrote:
So, why didn't he do it right the first time? Didn't he already know it
was going to be failure?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
He did do it "right" for then. Just as everything He is doing now is
"right".
And it will end up exactly as He has planned no matter how myopic you are
about extinct, may be extinct and / or will be extinct creatures.
That's what we call a "just so" story. If everything this "god" did looks
just like natural forces did it, your belief in "god" is arbitrary.
===>Superfluous. Redundant.
"Your Highness, I have no need of this hypothesis."
Pierre Laplace (1749-1827), to Napoleon on why
his works make no mention of God. -- L.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: God and Satan are the same person. -- SORRY GOD DID NOT KNOW? |
12 Sep 2004 10:21:17 PM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BD6A6337.2490E%chenault@mindspring.com...
"JessHC" wrote:
Why would an omniscient, omnipotent being do anything that it knew
beforehand it would regret doing?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Free will my good man, free will.
"Robibnikoff" wrote:
I fail to see how free will, what your god supposedly gave us, can be
used as
an excuse for HIS repeated fuckups. Please do explain.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Its not an excuse. Its the reason that a whole lot of early people were
complete corrupt degenerates. If they didn't have free will and could ONLY
choose to please God then they wouldn't need "weeding out". So God picked
the line (Noah's) that pleased Him and He ran with it.
So, why didn't he do it right the first time? Didn't he already know it was
going to be failure?
Your failure to "see" how this works now becomes only your failure. Not
His.
Hon, let me remind you for the ten millionth time - I don't BELIEVE in your
god. There's nothing to "see'.
Damn, you're stupid.
===>Who said a Gorgon must be smart?
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: God and Satan are the same person. -- SORRY GOD DID NOT KNOW? |
12 Sep 2004 10:20:05 PM |
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georgann wrote:
"JessHC" wrote:
Why would an omniscient, omnipotent being do anything that it knew
beforehand it would regret doing?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Free will my good man, free will.
"Robibnikoff" wrote:
I fail to see how free will, what your god supposedly gave us, can be used as
an excuse for HIS repeated fuckups. Please do explain.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Its not an excuse. Its the reason that a whole lot of early people were
complete corrupt degenerates. If they didn't have free will and could ONLY
choose to please God then they wouldn't need "weeding out". So God picked
the line (Noah's) that pleased Him and He ran with it.
===>Thus perpetuating his previous mistake?
Amazing what a thoughtless, incompetent deity you believe in! -- L.
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| User: "georgann" |
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13 Sep 2004 06:27:28 AM |
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Why would an omniscient, omnipotent being do anything that it knew
beforehand it would regret doing?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Free will my good man, free will.
"Robibnikoff" wrote:
I fail to see how free will, what your god supposedly gave us, can be used
as an excuse for HIS repeated fuckups. Please do explain.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Its not an excuse. Its the reason that a whole lot of early people were
complete corrupt degenerates. If they didn't have free will and could ONLY
choose to please God then they wouldn't need "weeding out". So God picked the
line (Noah's) that pleased Him and He ran with it.
"Libertarius" wrote:
Thus perpetuating his previous mistake? Amazing what a thoughtless,
incompetent deity you believe in!
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
No mistake. I thought you people already signed on with "survival of the
fittest"? Are you now saying God was somehow obligated to have the unfit
survive?
--
(`'·.¸(`'·.¸(`'·.¸ ¸.·'´)¸.·'´)¸.·'´)
«´¨`·.¸¸ ¸¸.·´¨ `»
All your prophecy are belong to Christ!
(¸.·'´(¸.·'´(¸.·'´ `'·.¸)`'·.¸)`'·.¸)
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: God and Satan are the same person. -- SORRY GOD DID NOT KNOW? |
13 Sep 2004 06:33:14 AM |
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"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BD6AFC5E.24B32%chenault@mindspring.com...
Why would an omniscient, omnipotent being do anything that it knew
beforehand it would regret doing?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Free will my good man, free will.
"Robibnikoff" wrote:
I fail to see how free will, what your god supposedly gave us, can be
used
as an excuse for HIS repeated fuckups. Please do explain.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Its not an excuse. Its the reason that a whole lot of early people were
complete corrupt degenerates. If they didn't have free will and could
ONLY
choose to please God then they wouldn't need "weeding out". So God
picked the
line (Noah's) that pleased Him and He ran with it.
"Libertarius" wrote:
Thus perpetuating his previous mistake? Amazing what a thoughtless,
incompetent deity you believe in!
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
No mistake. I thought you people already signed on with "survival of the
fittest"? Are you now saying God was somehow obligated to have the unfit
survive?
Little reminder - Atheists don't think your god is obligated to do squat
because we don't believe in he/she/it. Do try to get that through your
head.
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| User: "georgann" |
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13 Sep 2004 02:40:09 PM |
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Thus perpetuating his previous mistake? Amazing what a thoughtless,
incompetent deity you believe in!
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
No mistake. I thought you people already signed on with "survival of the
fittest"? Are you now saying God was somehow obligated to have the unfit
survive?
"Robibnikoff" wrote:
Little reminder - Atheists don't think your god is obligated to do squat
because we don't believe in he/she/it. Do try to get that through your head.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Nice bob and weave there.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: God and Satan are the same person. -- SORRY GOD DID NOT KNOW? |
13 Sep 2004 03:02:22 PM |
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"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BD6B6FD8.24E92%chenault@mindspring.com...
Thus perpetuating his previous mistake? Amazing what a thoughtless,
incompetent deity you believe in!
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
No mistake. I thought you people already signed on with "survival of the
fittest"? Are you now saying God was somehow obligated to have the unfit
survive?
"Robibnikoff" wrote:
Little reminder - Atheists don't think your god is obligated to do squat
because we don't believe in he/she/it. Do try to get that through your
head.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Nice bob and weave there.
How so? You're the one asking your target audience nonsensical questions,
not me.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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13 Sep 2004 09:00:53 AM |
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On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:27:28 +0000 in episode
<BD6AFC5E.24B32%chenault@mindspring.com> we saw our hero georgann
<chenault@mindspring.com>:
Why would an omniscient, omnipotent being do anything that it knew
beforehand it would regret doing?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Free will my good man, free will.
"Robibnikoff" wrote:
I fail to see how free will, what your god supposedly gave us, can be
used as an excuse for HIS repeated fuckups. Please do explain.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Its not an excuse. Its the reason that a whole lot of early people were
complete corrupt degenerates. If they didn't have free will and could
ONLY choose to please God then they wouldn't need "weeding out". So God
picked the line (Noah's) that pleased Him and He ran with it.
"Libertarius" wrote:
Thus perpetuating his previous mistake? Amazing what a thoughtless,
incompetent deity you believe in!
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
No mistake. I thought you people already signed on with "survival of the
fittest"? Are you now saying God was somehow obligated to have the unfit
survive?
Ah yes. The perfect, omniscient, creator "god" kept cranking out "unfit"
organisms. That's impressive...
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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13 Sep 2004 09:28:49 AM |
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georgann wrote:
Why would an omniscient, omnipotent being do anything that it knew
beforehand it would regret doing?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Free will my good man, free will.
"Robibnikoff" wrote:
I fail to see how free will, what your god supposedly gave us, can be used
as an excuse for HIS repeated fuckups. Please do explain.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Its not an excuse. Its the reason that a whole lot of early people were
complete corrupt degenerates. If they didn't have free will and could ONLY
choose to please God then they wouldn't need "weeding out". So God picked the
line (Noah's) that pleased Him and He ran with it.
"Libertarius" wrote:
Thus perpetuating his previous mistake? Amazing what a thoughtless,
incompetent deity you believe in!
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
No mistake. I thought you people already signed on with "survival of the
fittest"? Are you now saying God was somehow obligated to have the unfit
survive?
===>Sorry you can't get he point.
Let me explain:
The seed he kept, according to the story, produced
nothing different from what there was before.
Instead of getting his hands dirty again by creating a new
set of critters, the story says he simply saved a few people
and animals to start things all over after the "Flood".
But the people and animals after that mythical event were
in no way different from those that existed before.
Get it? -- L.
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| User: "georgann" |
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13 Sep 2004 05:06:05 PM |
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Its not an excuse. Its the reason that a whole lot of early people were
complete corrupt degenerates. If they didn't have free will and could ONLY
choose to please God then they wouldn't need "weeding out". So God picked
the line (Noah's) that pleased Him and He ran with it.
"Libertarius" wrote:
Thus perpetuating his previous mistake? Amazing what a thoughtless,
incompetent deity you believe in!
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
No mistake. I thought you people already signed on with "survival of the
fittest"? Are you now saying God was somehow obligated to have the unfit
survive?
"Libertarius" wrote:
Sorry you can't get he point.
Let me explain:
The seed he kept, according to the story, produced nothing different from what
there was before. Instead of getting his hands dirty again by creating a new
set of critters, the story says he simply saved a few people and animals to
start things all over after the "Flood". But the people and animals after that
mythical event were in no way different from those that existed before.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Yes it was different. That is ... the seed he kept was Noah's. ""These are
the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations,
and Noah walked with God."" Genesis 6:9
Perfect in his generations is precisely what I'm talking about.
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«´¨`·.¸¸ ¸¸.·´¨ `»
All your prophecy are belong to Christ!
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13 Sep 2004 05:08:03 PM |
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"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BD6B920C.24F29%chenault@mindspring.com...
Its not an excuse. Its the reason that a whole lot of early people
were
complete corrupt degenerates. If they didn't have free will and could
ONLY
choose to please God then they wouldn't need "weeding out". So God
picked
the line (Noah's) that pleased Him and He ran with it.
"Libertarius" wrote:
Thus perpetuating his previous mistake? Amazing what a thoughtless,
incompetent deity you believe in!
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
No mistake. I thought you people already signed on with "survival of the
fittest"? Are you now saying God was somehow obligated to have the unfit
survive?
"Libertarius" wrote:
Sorry you can't get he point.
Let me explain:
The seed he kept, according to the story, produced nothing different from
what
there was before. Instead of getting his hands dirty again by creating a
new
set of critters, the story says he simply saved a few people and animals
to
start things all over after the "Flood". But the people and animals after
that
mythical event were in no way different from those that existed before.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Yes it was different. That is ... the seed he kept was Noah's. ""These
are
the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his
generations,
and Noah walked with God."" Genesis 6:9
Perfect in his generations is precisely what I'm talking about.
Isn't the guy that got drunk and passed out naked?
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| User: "AnotherObserver®" |
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13 Sep 2004 07:41:47 PM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BD6B920C.24F29%chenault@mindspring.com...
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Perfect in his generations is precisely what I'm talking about.
Isn't the guy that got drunk and passed out naked?
Obviously, the guy was perfectly drunk. :+)
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irreligionist
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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14 Sep 2004 06:34:06 AM |
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<AnotherObserver®> wrote in message
news:r6fck05ksbs8ar008fcu91bm4q4qo8kr0m@4ax.com...
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BD6B920C.24F29%chenault@mindspring.com...
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Perfect in his generations is precisely what I'm talking about.
Isn't the guy that got drunk and passed out naked?
Obviously, the guy was perfectly drunk. :+)
And then cursed his son for coming across his naked passed-out body. Yeah,
that's perfection all right ;)
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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13 Sep 2004 07:31:22 PM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BD6B920C.24F29%chenault@mindspring.com...
Its not an excuse. Its the reason that a whole lot of early people
were
complete corrupt degenerates. If they didn't have free will and could
ONLY
choose to please God then they wouldn't need "weeding out". So God
picked
the line (Noah's) that pleased Him and He ran with it.
"Libertarius" wrote:
Thus perpetuating his previous mistake? Amazing what a thoughtless,
incompetent deity you believe in!
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
No mistake. I thought you people already signed on with "survival of the
fittest"? Are you now saying God was somehow obligated to have the unfit
survive?
"Libertarius" wrote:
Sorry you can't get he point.
Let me explain:
The seed he kept, according to the story, produced nothing different from
what
there was before. Instead of getting his hands dirty again by creating a
new
set of critters, the story says he simply saved a few people and animals
to
start things all over after the "Flood". But the people and animals after
that
mythical event were in no way different from those that existed before.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Yes it was different. That is ... the seed he kept was Noah's. ""These
are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his
generations, and Noah walked with God."" Genesis 6:9
Perfect in his generations is precisely what I'm talking about.
Isn't the guy that got drunk and passed out naked?
===>He was PERFECTLY drunk.
And cursed his son for finding him naked!
A real choice specimen picked by YHWH! -- L.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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13 Sep 2004 07:29:08 PM |
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georgann wrote:
Its not an excuse. Its the reason that a whole lot of early people were
complete corrupt degenerates. If they didn't have free will and could ONLY
choose to please God then they wouldn't need "weeding out". So God picked
the line (Noah's) that pleased Him and He ran with it.
"Libertarius" wrote:
Thus perpetuating his previous mistake? Amazing what a thoughtless,
incompetent deity you believe in!
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
No mistake. I thought you people already signed on with "survival of the
fittest"? Are you now saying God was somehow obligated to have the unfit
survive?
"Libertarius" wrote:
Sorry you can't get he point.
Let me explain:
The seed he kept, according to the story, produced nothing different from what
there was before. Instead of getting his hands dirty again by creating a new
set of critters, the story says he simply saved a few people and animals to
start things all over after the "Flood". But the people and animals after that
mythical event were in no way different from those that existed before.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Yes it was different. That is ... the seed he kept was Noah's. ""These are
the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations,
and Noah walked with God."" Genesis 6:9
Perfect in his generations is precisely what I'm talking about.
===>He may have thought so, but once again the events, reality,
proved the god of that story (copied from Sumerian lore) totally wrong.
In fact Christianity is based on the belief that there was a real "Noah",
whose descendants needed to be "redeemed" by the sacrifice
of a god-man! -- L.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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12 Sep 2004 10:18:02 PM |
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georgann wrote:
"JessHC" wrote:
Why would an omniscient, omnipotent being do anything that it knew beforehand
it would regret doing?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Free will my good man, free will.
===>That is no answer.
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08 Sep 2004 11:06:54 PM |
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georgann wrote:
"JessHC" wrote:
And how much free will does one have regarding one's past choices? Can
you change the past?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Great scott, man! Can this really be so hard for you?
God knows what you will do because He can see it from the perspective of
after you HAVE done it PRIOR to it having happened. All of your choices
are already known to Him.
"Libertarius" wrote:
That would mean he knowingly created Adam FOR FAILURE! But Gen. 6 says he
was sorry he did it, so he obviously did NOT know "PRIOR to it having
happened", as you claim!
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
On closer reading, in context, you will no doubt note that the subject is
God's regret of not having limited their "days to 120 (years)". A
technicality which He promptly took care of.
Duhhhhhhh. Gen 6:3.
BUT, see Gen. 6:7.
God repents creating man and, "I will destroy
man who I created from the face of the earth;
both man and beast and the creeping things,
and fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I
created them.
So when god says he will destroy man, man has
no longer 120 years as per god in Gen. 6:3
Do you understand the word context? Absolutely not.
I've never met a religous kook who does.
Gen 6:3 in light of Gen 6:7 is pretty meaningless.
Its rather irrelevant in context of Gen 6:7.
Do you EVER think anything through?
No.
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Bush added $2 trillion in national debt in three years. The
biggest addition of national debt of any president. There are
280 million Americans. That is $3,333 per American, $13,332
For a family of four. Bush wants to make the tax cuts that are
generating these vast debts permanent.Vote Kerry, we cannot
afford more massive debt.
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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10 Sep 2004 10:09:20 AM |
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georgann wrote:
"JessHC" wrote:
And how much free will does one have regarding one's past choices? Can you
change the past?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Great scott, man! Can this really be so hard for you?
God knows what you will do because He can see it from the perspective of
after you HAVE done it PRIOR to it having happened. All of your choices are
already known to Him.
"Libertarius" wrote:
That would mean he knowingly created Adam FOR FAILURE! But Gen. 6 says he
was sorry he did it, so he obviously did NOT know "PRIOR to it having
happened", as you claim!
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
On closer reading, in context, you will no doubt note that the subject is
God's regret of not having limited their "days to 120 (years)". A
technicality which He promptly took care of.
===>Interesting!
So, you simply confirm the idea that the "creator" was an incompetent,
thoughtless bungler who kept repeating his mistakes. -- L.
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