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"Cindy Cindy@nospam" |
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24 Aug 2004 06:47:39 PM |
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Re: God and Satan are the same person. |
"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Red Dragon" <tskhoon@streamyx.com> wrote in message
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Why did the law allow killer and victim to live in the same country and
meet
each other?
Because the victim and the killer are the same person.
We are talking about responsiblity. Before eating the appple, Adam and
Eve were devoid of knowledge of what is good or evil, alike a 3 year
old baby. Remember that God did not give them a mind like yours today.
What I understand is that "sex" was also not in their vocabulary.
Exactly
like the mentality of a 3 year old child. If the father allowed a King
Cobra to live in the same house and one day the cobra bit the baby, who
is
to be responsible?
They may have been ignorant of evil and the difference between good and
evil, but they certainly KNEW what OBEDIENCE to God was, and what He
commanded them, so they ARE responsible for that choice, NO matter, who or
what tempted them otherwise.
They couldn't know what obedience was unless God told them and nowhere in
the bible does it state that he told them what obedience meant.
I mean, these were the first people, they had no experience whatsoever, God
should have protected them, like we would do with a baby, or any animal will
defend it's young.
No moral person would knowingly leave an innocent, naive person(s) alone to
fend for themselves against an evil talking snake! Would they?
There minds were like a blackboard whipped clean, they were ready, willing
and able to learn if only God had thought to teach them instead of deceiving
them.
You understand this, don't you Dore!
You wouldn't have left your own daughter out on the street alone to be
influenced by a stranger, would you?
No, I didn't think so, but God did!
Cindy
cont
Q. Why would Satan voluntarily obey God by punishing and torturing
his
very own allies?
A. Because God and Satan are the same person.
That really isn't obeying God, but Satan, by his evil nature, enjoys the
punishing and torturing. To Satan NO ONE is his allies, for he thinks of
himself above all, and those who serve him, he mocks, stabs in the back,
rules over treacherously, makes fun of because they were stupid enough to
listen to him, and kicks them around as slaves.
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"Red Dragon" <tskhoon@streamyx.com> wrote in message
news:412983dc$1_1@news.tm.net.my...
Why did the law allow killer and victim to live in the same country and
meet
each other?
Because the victim and the killer are the same person.
We are talking about responsiblity. Before eating the appple, Adam and
Eve were devoid of knowledge of what is good or evil, alike a 3 year
old baby. Remember that God did not give them a mind like yours today.
What I understand is that "sex" was also not in their vocabulary.
Exactly
like the mentality of a 3 year old child. If the father allowed a King
Cobra to live in the same house and one day the cobra bit the baby, who
is
to be responsible?
Can you please write waht was the cause? I would like to reply but I
don't
have the Bible.
Can you please write properly spelt words?
Q. Why would Satan voluntarily obey God by punishing and torturing
his
very own allies?
A. Because God and Satan are the same person.
I dont understand this. Kindly elaborate. Who is allies to Satan?
Sadam
Hussein?
Khoon.
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| User: "Dore" |
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| Title: Re: God and Satan are the same person. |
26 Aug 2004 07:28:31 PM |
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"Cindy" <Cindy@nospam> wrote in message
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They couldn't know what obedience was unless God told them and nowhere in
the bible does it state that he told them what obedience meant.
I mean, these were the first people, they had no experience whatsoever,
God
should have protected them, like we would do with a baby, or any animal
will
defend it's young.
They KNEW GOD, personally, intimately and closely. They KNEW His power,
majesty, glory, might, and authority, so they KNEW that when God said
something, it was to be taken seriously and honored completely. They were
NOT dumb with NO intelligence whatsoever.
cont
No moral person would knowingly leave an innocent, naive person(s) alone
to
fend for themselves against an evil talking snake! Would they?
They were NOT naive and stupid. When Eve listened to the snake, she KNEW
what God had told her and what the snake was telling her was NOT what God
had said. She chose to believe the snake and ignore what God has told her.
cont
There minds were like a blackboard whipped clean, they were ready, willing
and able to learn if only God had thought to teach them instead of
deceiving
them.
How would YOU know what God had taught them?
cont
You wouldn't have left your own daughter out on the street alone to be
influenced by a stranger, would you?
if I told my daughter NOT to talk to strangers, and she did, who's fault was
it?
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"Cindy" <Cindy@nospam> wrote in message
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"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:5VPWc.3884$oA.2874@trndny04...
"Red Dragon" <tskhoon@streamyx.com> wrote in message
news:412983dc$1_1@news.tm.net.my...
Why did the law allow killer and victim to live in the same country
and
meet
each other?
Because the victim and the killer are the same person.
We are talking about responsiblity. Before eating the appple, Adam
and
Eve were devoid of knowledge of what is good or evil, alike a 3
year
old baby. Remember that God did not give them a mind like yours today.
What I understand is that "sex" was also not in their vocabulary.
Exactly
like the mentality of a 3 year old child. If the father allowed a
King
Cobra to live in the same house and one day the cobra bit the baby,
who
is
to be responsible?
They may have been ignorant of evil and the difference between good and
evil, but they certainly KNEW what OBEDIENCE to God was, and what He
commanded them, so they ARE responsible for that choice, NO matter, who
or
what tempted them otherwise.
They couldn't know what obedience was unless God told them and nowhere in
the bible does it state that he told them what obedience meant.
I mean, these were the first people, they had no experience whatsoever,
God
should have protected them, like we would do with a baby, or any animal
will
defend it's young.
No moral person would knowingly leave an innocent, naive person(s) alone
to
fend for themselves against an evil talking snake! Would they?
There minds were like a blackboard whipped clean, they were ready, willing
and able to learn if only God had thought to teach them instead of
deceiving
them.
You understand this, don't you Dore!
You wouldn't have left your own daughter out on the street alone to be
influenced by a stranger, would you?
No, I didn't think so, but God did!
Cindy
cont
Q. Why would Satan voluntarily obey God by punishing and torturing
his
very own allies?
A. Because God and Satan are the same person.
That really isn't obeying God, but Satan, by his evil nature, enjoys the
punishing and torturing. To Satan NO ONE is his allies, for he thinks of
himself above all, and those who serve him, he mocks, stabs in the back,
rules over treacherously, makes fun of because they were stupid enough
to
listen to him, and kicks them around as slaves.
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"Red Dragon" <tskhoon@streamyx.com> wrote in message
news:412983dc$1_1@news.tm.net.my...
Why did the law allow killer and victim to live in the same country
and
meet
each other?
Because the victim and the killer are the same person.
We are talking about responsiblity. Before eating the appple, Adam
and
Eve were devoid of knowledge of what is good or evil, alike a 3
year
old baby. Remember that God did not give them a mind like yours today.
What I understand is that "sex" was also not in their vocabulary.
Exactly
like the mentality of a 3 year old child. If the father allowed a
King
Cobra to live in the same house and one day the cobra bit the baby,
who
is
to be responsible?
Can you please write waht was the cause? I would like to reply but I
don't
have the Bible.
Can you please write properly spelt words?
Q. Why would Satan voluntarily obey God by punishing and torturing
his
very own allies?
A. Because God and Satan are the same person.
I dont understand this. Kindly elaborate. Who is allies to Satan?
Sadam
Hussein?
Khoon.
.
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| User: "Cindy" |
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| Title: Re: God and Satan are the same person. |
27 Aug 2004 01:34:15 PM |
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"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:PevXc.9755$VY.3782@trndny09...
"Cindy" <Cindy@nospam> wrote in message
news:BIqdnXFgF5TPTrbcRVn-gg@comcast.com...
They couldn't know what obedience was unless God told them and nowhere in
the bible does it state that he told them what obedience meant.
I mean, these were the first people, they had no experience whatsoever,
God
should have protected them, like we would do with a baby, or any animal
will
defend it's young.
They KNEW GOD, personally, intimately and closely. They KNEW His power,
majesty, glory, might, and authority, so they KNEW that when God said
something, it was to be taken seriously and honored completely. They were
NOT dumb with NO intelligence whatsoever.
They had no experience whatsoever, they needed to be watched over, helped
and cared for, not just dumped out in the cruel world to fend for
themselves!
No moral person would knowingly leave an innocent, naive person(s) alone
to
fend for themselves against an evil talking snake! Would they?
They were NOT naive and stupid. When Eve listened to the snake, she KNEW
what God had told her and what the snake was telling her was NOT what God
had said. She chose to believe the snake and ignore what God has told her.
But with limited experience in life, how old were they? You or I wouldn't
tempt our little children to play with a vicious dog or rat, would we?
And the consequences were much greater than just being bitten, God should
have known and been a little bit smarter. I bet you could have done better,
right?
You wouldn't have left your own daughter out on the street alone to be
influenced by a stranger, would you?
if I told my daughter NOT to talk to strangers, and she did, who's fault
was
it?
It would have been you fault if she was harmed and man's law is moral enough
to attempt to protect the innocents from neglect.
Are you saying that man is more moral than God?
Cindy
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| User: "Dore" |
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27 Aug 2004 07:22:19 PM |
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"Cindy" <Cindy@nospam.com> wrote in message
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They had no experience whatsoever, they needed to be watched over, helped
and cared for, not just dumped out in the cruel world to fend for
themselves!
The world wasn't cruel, it was a garden of Eden, with beauty, elegance,
perfection and wonder, all at their disposal to explore without molestation.
God gave them ALL that they needed to make their own choices as well as the
ability to live in the environment that was so wonderfully given them.
cont
But with limited experience in life, how old were they? You or I wouldn't
tempt our little children to play with a vicious dog or rat, would we?
They weren't very old. However, if you told your little child to stay away
from vicious dogs or they would get bitten and they disobeyed you and got
bitten, who's fault was it, since they KNEW that what YOU said was TRUE? You
are trying to say that is is OK for children to be disobedient without
consequences, especially when they were duly warned of the consequences.
Your children must be undisciplined spoiled brats who have absolutely NO
respect for you whatsoever.
cont
And the consequences were much greater than just being bitten, God should
have known and been a little bit smarter. I bet you could have done
better,
right?
The consequences were clearly given. There was NO excuse for disobedience?
As for me, I KNOW who God is and I respect Him and His words, will, ways,
knowledge, wisdom, power and authority, for He is GOD, and thus completely
accept His choices, no matter what they are. If I disobey Him, I thoroughly
expect the consequences to be given me, and I would deserve them, and accept
them, for He is a JUST and PERFECT God.
cont
It would have been you fault if she was harmed and man's law is moral
enough
to attempt to protect the innocents from neglect.
No, it is HER fault because it was HER choice. I warned her. Do you expect
God to put a leash on you, or would you rather be treated with respect of
your own mind and ability to make your own choices? If the consequences were
duly warned, and were ignored, then the person who was guilty of
disobedience, should expect the consequences that were warned to occur.
Man's law has no morality, for it is not concerned with truth or justice, it
is only concerned with observance of the law. There was NO neglect, for the
consequences of disobedience was duly warned. If the law says that you
murder someone and the consequences of that act, result in imprisonment for
life, don't you expect to receive that consequence? NO matter the degree of
disobedience, the consequences of the disobedience remains as it was warned.
cont
Are you saying that man is more moral than God?
Man isn't moral and that is man's whole problem. Just because you want other
humans to treat you like an ignorant baboon on a leash, with no
intelligence, that you are incapable of making choices on your own and
accepting the results of those choices, is YOUR problem. I prefer to be
treated with respect and appreciation of my own maturity in making my own
decisions without someone standing over me controlling my every move. I am
mature enough to understand that my choices have consequences, therefore I
discipline myself accordingly, and if I make wrong choices, then I
completely expect and accept the consequences of that choice. It's called
being an adult.
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"Cindy" <Cindy@nospam.com> wrote in message
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"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Cindy" <Cindy@nospam> wrote in message
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They couldn't know what obedience was unless God told them and nowhere
in
the bible does it state that he told them what obedience meant.
I mean, these were the first people, they had no experience whatsoever,
God
should have protected them, like we would do with a baby, or any animal
will
defend it's young.
They KNEW GOD, personally, intimately and closely. They KNEW His power,
majesty, glory, might, and authority, so they KNEW that when God said
something, it was to be taken seriously and honored completely. They
were
NOT dumb with NO intelligence whatsoever.
They had no experience whatsoever, they needed to be watched over, helped
and cared for, not just dumped out in the cruel world to fend for
themselves!
No moral person would knowingly leave an innocent, naive person(s)
alone
to
fend for themselves against an evil talking snake! Would they?
They were NOT naive and stupid. When Eve listened to the snake, she KNEW
what God had told her and what the snake was telling her was NOT what
God
had said. She chose to believe the snake and ignore what God has told
her.
But with limited experience in life, how old were they? You or I wouldn't
tempt our little children to play with a vicious dog or rat, would we?
And the consequences were much greater than just being bitten, God should
have known and been a little bit smarter. I bet you could have done
better,
right?
You wouldn't have left your own daughter out on the street alone to be
influenced by a stranger, would you?
if I told my daughter NOT to talk to strangers, and she did, who's fault
was
it?
It would have been you fault if she was harmed and man's law is moral
enough
to attempt to protect the innocents from neglect.
Are you saying that man is more moral than God?
Cindy
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| User: "Andrew W \Paranormal Agnostic" |
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| Title: Re: God and Satan are the same person. |
28 Aug 2004 12:24:10 AM |
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"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Cindy" <Cindy@nospam.com> wrote in message
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They had no experience whatsoever, they needed to be watched over, helped
and cared for, not just dumped out in the cruel world to fend for
themselves!
The world wasn't cruel, it was a garden of Eden, with beauty, elegance,
perfection and wonder, all at their disposal to explore without
molestation.
Except that this beautiful, elegant and perfect garden featured a little
serpent called Satan who did molest them.
Who let him in there I wonder.
God gave them ALL that they needed to make their own choices as well as
the
ability to live in the environment that was so wonderfully given them.
And then taken away from them because of one little mistake.
--
Andrew W.
"If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save
you..."
~ Jesus. The Gospel of Thomas.
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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27 Aug 2004 07:25:31 PM |
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On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 00:22:19 +0000 in episode <%eQXc.116$B91.46@trndny08>
we saw our hero "Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net>:
"Cindy" <Cindy@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:CbednQlB_ofJ47LcRVn-oA@comcast.com...
But with limited experience in life, how old were they? You or I
wouldn't tempt our little children to play with a vicious dog or rat,
would we?
They weren't very old. However, if you told your little child to stay away
from vicious dogs or they would get bitten and they disobeyed you and got
bitten, who's fault was it, since they KNEW that what YOU said was TRUE?
You are trying to say that is is OK for children to be disobedient without
consequences, especially when they were duly warned of the consequences.
Your children must be undisciplined spoiled brats who have absolutely NO
respect for you whatsoever.
If they are incapable of *understanding the consequences, the *parent is
at fault.
You can be put in *jail for failing to prevent that kind of thing from
happening to a young child.
We humans are far, far more "moral" than this "god" thing ever was...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Often anger is a sign of engagement with life. People who
are angry are touched deeply by the events of their lives
and feel strongly about them....Anger is just a demand for
change, a passionate wish for things to be different....
And, as it was for me, it may be the first expression of
the will to live." -- Rachel Naomi Remen
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| User: "Andrew W \Paranormal Agnostic" |
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| Title: Re: God and Satan are the same person. |
27 Aug 2004 05:22:25 PM |
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"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:PevXc.9755$VY.3782@trndny09...
"Cindy" <Cindy@nospam> wrote in message
news:BIqdnXFgF5TPTrbcRVn-gg@comcast.com...
They couldn't know what obedience was unless God told them and nowhere in
the bible does it state that he told them what obedience meant.
I mean, these were the first people, they had no experience whatsoever,
God
should have protected them, like we would do with a baby, or any animal
will
defend it's young.
They KNEW GOD, personally, intimately and closely. They KNEW His power,
majesty, glory, might, and authority, so they KNEW that when God said
something, it was to be taken seriously and honored completely. They were
NOT dumb with NO intelligence whatsoever.
If they knew all this about God then what were they hoping to achieve by
going against him? Suicide?
cont
No moral person would knowingly leave an innocent, naive person(s) alone
to
fend for themselves against an evil talking snake! Would they?
They were NOT naive and stupid. When Eve listened to the snake, she KNEW
what God had told her and what the snake was telling her was NOT what God
had said. She chose to believe the snake and ignore what God has told her.
Again, what did she hope to achieve by doing this?
If they were so smart and informed then they must have had some kind of
plan.
If you were there like you've claimed then you should know what their plan
was.
What was it?
cont
There minds were like a blackboard whipped clean, they were ready,
willing
and able to learn if only God had thought to teach them instead of
deceiving
them.
How would YOU know what God had taught them?
How about demonstrating how much *you* know about what God taught A&E.
cont
You wouldn't have left your own daughter out on the street alone to be
influenced by a stranger, would you?
if I told my daughter NOT to talk to strangers, and she did, who's fault
was
it?
So you would just let your daughter be raped or killed in order to teach her
to be a good and righteous person?
That's a brilliant teaching method.
You should call the education department and tell them about it :-q
--
Andrew W.
"If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save
you..."
~ Jesus. The Gospel of Thomas.
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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| User: "Dore" |
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| Title: Re: God and Satan are the same person. |
27 Aug 2004 07:41:31 PM |
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"Andrew W (Paranormal Agnostic)" <nospaam_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote
in message news:412fb426$0$5450$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
If they knew all this about God then what were they hoping to achieve by
going against him? Suicide?
If you knew that engaging in promiscuous sex would result in aids, and yet
some strange beautiful woman threw herself at you, and seduced you, then
what would you hope to achieve by indulging in it?
cont
Again, what did she hope to achieve by doing this?
If they were so smart and informed then they must have had some kind of
plan.
If you were there like you've claimed then you should know what their plan
was.
What was it?
They were informed, however the snake lied to them and told them that they
would be as God, thus LOVING God, and seeing how awesome and wonderful He
is, they got caught up in that and conveniently forgot what God had said for
their own desires.
cont
How about demonstrating how much *you* know about what God taught A&E.
Well, let's see, they were created as perfect, pure and spiritual beings.
They were taught that the whole of Eden and all it contained was theirs to
explore and enjoy. He taught them that they had dominion over all of the
animals and lower life forms. He taught them, through their personal
experience with Him, that He was God, the CREATOR of all things, with all
power, knowledge, wisdom, and authority. He taught them what each thing in
the garden was and what it was for, with the ability to make their own
choices accordingly. He gave them the knowledge, wisdom and imagination to
take what was available in the garden to do with whatever at will. The ONLY
restriction He made was with that ONE tree.
cont
So you would just let your daughter be raped or killed in order to teach
her
to be a good and righteous person?
That's a brilliant teaching method.
You should call the education department and tell them about i
So I guess that you never leave your kids out of your sight, because you
know that they have NO respect for you, nor anything you say, and your
leash is so tight that your kids are incapable, nor permitted to make any
choices on their own? Your poor kids. I guess you have NO respect for them
and their intelligence either.
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"Andrew W (Paranormal Agnostic)" <nospaam_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote
in message news:412fb426$0$5450$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:PevXc.9755$VY.3782@trndny09...
"Cindy" <Cindy@nospam> wrote in message
news:BIqdnXFgF5TPTrbcRVn-gg@comcast.com...
They couldn't know what obedience was unless God told them and nowhere
in
the bible does it state that he told them what obedience meant.
I mean, these were the first people, they had no experience whatsoever,
God
should have protected them, like we would do with a baby, or any animal
will
defend it's young.
They KNEW GOD, personally, intimately and closely. They KNEW His power,
majesty, glory, might, and authority, so they KNEW that when God said
something, it was to be taken seriously and honored completely. They
were
NOT dumb with NO intelligence whatsoever.
If they knew all this about God then what were they hoping to achieve by
going against him? Suicide?
cont
No moral person would knowingly leave an innocent, naive person(s)
alone
to
fend for themselves against an evil talking snake! Would they?
They were NOT naive and stupid. When Eve listened to the snake, she KNEW
what God had told her and what the snake was telling her was NOT what
God
had said. She chose to believe the snake and ignore what God has told
her.
Again, what did she hope to achieve by doing this?
If they were so smart and informed then they must have had some kind of
plan.
If you were there like you've claimed then you should know what their plan
was.
What was it?
cont
There minds were like a blackboard whipped clean, they were ready,
willing
and able to learn if only God had thought to teach them instead of
deceiving
them.
How would YOU know what God had taught them?
How about demonstrating how much *you* know about what God taught A&E.
cont
You wouldn't have left your own daughter out on the street alone to be
influenced by a stranger, would you?
if I told my daughter NOT to talk to strangers, and she did, who's fault
was
it?
So you would just let your daughter be raped or killed in order to teach
her
to be a good and righteous person?
That's a brilliant teaching method.
You should call the education department and tell them about it :-q
--
Andrew W.
"If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save
you..."
~ Jesus. The Gospel of Thomas.
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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| User: "Andrew W \Paranormal Agnostic" |
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| Title: Re: God and Satan are the same person. |
28 Aug 2004 01:30:27 AM |
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"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:%wQXc.315$hq5.203@trndny09...
"Andrew W (Paranormal Agnostic)" <nospaam_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote
in message news:412fb426$0$5450$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
If they knew all this about God then what were they hoping to achieve by
going against him? Suicide?
If you knew that engaging in promiscuous sex would result in aids, and yet
some strange beautiful woman threw herself at you, and seduced you, then
what would you hope to achieve by indulging in it?
I don't think they would have believed that rebelling against God would be
as good as having sex.
They must have had another reason.
cont
Again, what did she hope to achieve by doing this?
If they were so smart and informed then they must have had some kind of
plan.
If you were there like you've claimed then you should know what their
plan
was.
What was it?
They were informed, however the snake lied to them and told them that they
would be as God, thus LOVING God, and seeing how awesome and wonderful He
is, they got caught up in that and conveniently forgot what God had said
for
their own desires.
cont
How about demonstrating how much *you* know about what God taught A&E.
Well, let's see, they were created as perfect, pure and spiritual beings.
They were taught that the whole of Eden and all it contained was theirs to
explore and enjoy. He taught them that they had dominion over all of the
animals and lower life forms. He taught them, through their personal
experience with Him, that He was God, the CREATOR of all things, with all
power, knowledge, wisdom, and authority. He taught them what each thing
in
the garden was and what it was for, with the ability to make their own
choices accordingly. He gave them the knowledge, wisdom and imagination to
take what was available in the garden to do with whatever at will. The
ONLY
restriction He made was with that ONE tree.
Hmm. Their whole lives summed up in one paragraph.
Great life they had.
There's nothing new in all that. It's what most people already know.
I think that you don't know any more than most other bible fanatics.
cont
So you would just let your daughter be raped or killed in order to teach
her
to be a good and righteous person?
That's a brilliant teaching method.
You should call the education department and tell them about i
So I guess that you never leave your kids out of your sight, because you
know that they have NO respect for you, nor anything you say, and your
leash is so tight that your kids are incapable, nor permitted to make any
choices on their own? Your poor kids. I guess you have NO respect for them
and their intelligence either.
I would explain to them the nature of the dangers and give them details of
what could happen, not just issue one blunt warning such as "thou shalt
surely die".
Even warning labels on machines often give more details than that.
Details are important for making informed choices but the bible God gave no
details and thus could not expect intelligent choices from A&E.
--
Andrew W.
"If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save
you..."
~ Jesus. The Gospel of Thomas.
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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31 Aug 2004 12:37:30 PM |
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Dore wrote:
< snip >
The ONLY
restriction He made was with that ONE tree.
Yes, the tree whose fruit gave them the knowledge of good and evil. So,
before they ate the fruit, they wouldn't have known that eating the
fruit (and thus disobeying God) was "bad".
Nice Catch-22 there.
< snip >
So I guess that you never leave your kids out of your sight,
If I was omniscient, I wouldn't be *able* to leave them out of my sight.
because you
know that they have NO respect for you, nor anything you say,
If I had never taught them right from wrong, how could they make any
reasoned decisions about what I tell them?
and your
leash is so tight that your kids are incapable, nor permitted to make any
choices on their own? Your poor kids. I guess you have NO respect for them
and their intelligence either.
Neither does your God.
It's like me telling my son not to go out onto the road. If I were to
emulate God, as soon as I caught him out on the road, I should hit him
with my car. Hey, I *told* him not to go on the road! Besides, it's
not like I killed him; I just crippled him. Sheesh!
And someday, when my battered and broken son has kids of his own, I
should RUN THEM DOWN, TOO! After all, they also deserve to be punished
for their dad's decision! Mwah-hah-haha! Stop looking at me like that!
Everything I do is just and good because I say so!
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism
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31 Aug 2004 12:21:47 PM |
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Andrew W (Paranormal Agnostic) wrote:
"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:PevXc.9755$VY.3782@trndny09...
< snip >
They KNEW GOD, personally, intimately and closely. They KNEW His power,
majesty, glory, might, and authority, so they KNEW that when God said
something, it was to be taken seriously and honored completely. They were
NOT dumb with NO intelligence whatsoever.
If they knew all this about God then what were they hoping to achieve by
going against him? Suicide?
That's a question I've always had about Satan and his rebellion against
God. The rebellious angels all had first-hand knowledge that God is
omnipotent and omniscient. What was the point of the rebellion? They
couldn't possibly have thought they'd win.
Anyway, it amazes me how this supposedly perfect god keeps creating
beings who rebel against him. I think he just gets off on smiting other
sentients; at least, that's a pretty common occurrence in his supposed
biography.
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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31 Aug 2004 12:13:42 PM |
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Dore wrote:
< snip >
They were NOT naive and stupid. When Eve listened to the snake, she KNEW
what God had told her and what the snake was telling her was NOT what God
had said. She chose to believe the snake and ignore what God has told her.
Not that it's relevant to this thread, but I'd like to point out for the
umpteenth time that the snake *was* telling the truth.
< snip >
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism
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01 Sep 2004 01:37:48 AM |
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Tukla Ratte <tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote in message news:<2pjpu7FlkpadU1@uni-berlin.de>...
Dore wrote:
< snip >
They were NOT naive and stupid. When Eve listened to the snake, she KNEW
what God had told her and what the snake was telling her was NOT what God
had said. She chose to believe the snake and ignore what God has told her.
Not that it's relevant to this thread, but I'd like to point out for the
umpteenth time that the snake *was* telling the truth.
Which of course implies that God is the enemy.
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02 Sep 2004 11:42:45 AM |
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Tukla Ratte <tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote:
Dore wrote:
< snip >
They were NOT naive and stupid. When Eve listened to the snake, she KNEW
what God had told her and what the snake was telling her was NOT what God
had said. She chose to believe the snake and ignore what God has told her.
Not that it's relevant to this thread, but I'd like to point out for the
umpteenth time that the snake *was* telling the truth.
< snip >
I've pointed to that fact countless times as well. They never listen
and are all doomed to hell. Jeebus© was the Snake© and they are all
worshipping the wrong god! It's okay, once they're dead and in hell,
they'll remember the signs that they wouldn't see while those of the
snake faith will chant "nana nana boo boo, we were right and you lose"
--
Davidwd
~~~~~~~~~
irreligionist
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| User: "bob young" |
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26 Aug 2004 09:09:56 PM |
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Dore wrote:
"Cindy" <Cindy@nospam> wrote in message
news:BIqdnXFgF5TPTrbcRVn-gg@comcast.com...
They couldn't know what obedience was unless God told them and nowhere in
the bible does it state that he told them what obedience meant.
I mean, these were the first people, they had no experience whatsoever,
God
should have protected them, like we would do with a baby, or any animal
will
defend it's young.
They KNEW GOD, personally, intimately and closely. They KNEW His power,
majesty, glory, might, and authority, so they KNEW that when God said
something, it was to be taken seriously and honored completely. They were
NOT dumb with NO intelligence whatsoever.
cont
No moral person would knowingly leave an innocent, naive person(s) alone
to
fend for themselves against an evil talking snake! Would they?
They were NOT naive and stupid. When Eve listened to the snake, she KNEW
what God had told her and what the snake was telling her was NOT what God
had said. She chose to believe the snake and ignore what God has told her.
cont
There minds were like a blackboard whipped clean, they were ready, willing
and able to learn if only God had thought to teach them instead of
deceiving
them.
How would YOU know what God had taught them?
cont
You wouldn't have left your own daughter out on the street alone to be
influenced by a stranger, would you?
if I told my daughter NOT to talk to strangers, and she did, who's fault was
it?
If you told your daughter, like your parents told you, to believe in your god
and no other god, who's fault was it for fitting her with blinkers and
destroying her ability to think straight for the rest of her life?
Bob
Hong Kong
Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to
evade the need to think and evaluate evidence.
Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of,
the lack of evidence.
[Richard Dawkins]
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"Cindy" <Cindy@nospam> wrote in message
news:BIqdnXFgF5TPTrbcRVn-gg@comcast.com...
"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:5VPWc.3884$oA.2874@trndny04...
"Red Dragon" <tskhoon@streamyx.com> wrote in message
news:412983dc$1_1@news.tm.net.my...
Why did the law allow killer and victim to live in the same country
and
meet
each other?
Because the victim and the killer are the same person.
We are talking about responsiblity. Before eating the appple, Adam
and
Eve were devoid of knowledge of what is good or evil, alike a 3
year
old baby. Remember that God did not give them a mind like yours today.
What I understand is that "sex" was also not in their vocabulary.
Exactly
like the mentality of a 3 year old child. If the father allowed a
King
Cobra to live in the same house and one day the cobra bit the baby,
who
is
to be responsible?
They may have been ignorant of evil and the difference between good and
evil, but they certainly KNEW what OBEDIENCE to God was, and what He
commanded them, so they ARE responsible for that choice, NO matter, who
or
what tempted them otherwise.
They couldn't know what obedience was unless God told them and nowhere in
the bible does it state that he told them what obedience meant.
I mean, these were the first people, they had no experience whatsoever,
God
should have protected them, like we would do with a baby, or any animal
will
defend it's young.
No moral person would knowingly leave an innocent, naive person(s) alone
to
fend for themselves against an evil talking snake! Would they?
There minds were like a blackboard whipped clean, they were ready, willing
and able to learn if only God had thought to teach them instead of
deceiving
them.
You understand this, don't you Dore!
You wouldn't have left your own daughter out on the street alone to be
influenced by a stranger, would you?
No, I didn't think so, but God did!
Cindy
cont
Q. Why would Satan voluntarily obey God by punishing and torturing
his
very own allies?
A. Because God and Satan are the same person.
That really isn't obeying God, but Satan, by his evil nature, enjoys the
punishing and torturing. To Satan NO ONE is his allies, for he thinks of
himself above all, and those who serve him, he mocks, stabs in the back,
rules over treacherously, makes fun of because they were stupid enough
to
listen to him, and kicks them around as slaves.
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"Red Dragon" <tskhoon@streamyx.com> wrote in message
news:412983dc$1_1@news.tm.net.my...
Why did the law allow killer and victim to live in the same country
and
meet
each other?
Because the victim and the killer are the same person.
We are talking about responsiblity. Before eating the appple, Adam
and
Eve were devoid of knowledge of what is good or evil, alike a 3
year
old baby. Remember that God did not give them a mind like yours today.
What I understand is that "sex" was also not in their vocabulary.
Exactly
like the mentality of a 3 year old child. If the father allowed a
King
Cobra to live in the same house and one day the cobra bit the baby,
who
is
to be responsible?
Can you please write waht was the cause? I would like to reply but I
don't
have the Bible.
Can you please write properly spelt words?
Q. Why would Satan voluntarily obey God by punishing and torturing
his
very own allies?
A. Because God and Satan are the same person.
I dont understand this. Kindly elaborate. Who is allies to Satan?
Sadam
Hussein?
Khoon.
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| User: "Dore" |
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27 Aug 2004 07:03:39 PM |
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:412E97F4.F8DE937A@netvigator.com...
If you told your daughter, like your parents told you, to believe in your
god
and no other god, who's fault was it for fitting her with blinkers and
destroying her ability to think straight for the rest of her life?
I don't see how telling the truth is fitting anyone with blinkers, in fact,
just the opposite, it is lies that do that. Since there is NO other God,
then NOT believing in Him, is what causes people the inability to think
straight for all they then know is lies, confusion, chaos, evil, and
darkness etc.
cont
Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to
evade the need to think and evaluate evidence.
Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of,
the lack of evidence.
[Richard Dawkins]
Faith is what makes a man, no matter what he believes in. If he believes in
lies, then his evaluation of any evidence is jaded and misconstrued, because
he cannot see clearly. Take money for example, there is much evidence that
it is nothing more than a limiting, controlling, oppressive, corrupt,
enslavement of mankind, and yet most of mankind has faith in it and believes
it is necessary for life and that is why mankind is enslaved to it, causing
them to be without, causing them to be limited, sorrowful, living in fear
being without it, abused, oppressed. The fact is, when you have faith in God
and believe what He says, HE provides the believer with greater things for
consideration, evaluation, evidence, knowledge and wisdom in the greater
things in life. The unbeliever is limited to a two dimensional inadequate
understanding of only the physical realm, which even with all that exists in
it, he still doesn't understand most of it and never will because he has NO
concept of the intangible and greater things of this life.
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:412E97F4.F8DE937A@netvigator.com...
Dore wrote:
"Cindy" <Cindy@nospam> wrote in message
news:BIqdnXFgF5TPTrbcRVn-gg@comcast.com...
They couldn't know what obedience was unless God told them and nowhere
in
the bible does it state that he told them what obedience meant.
I mean, these were the first people, they had no experience
whatsoever,
God
should have protected them, like we would do with a baby, or any
animal
will
defend it's young.
They KNEW GOD, personally, intimately and closely. They KNEW His power,
majesty, glory, might, and authority, so they KNEW that when God said
something, it was to be taken seriously and honored completely. They
were
NOT dumb with NO intelligence whatsoever.
cont
No moral person would knowingly leave an innocent, naive person(s)
alone
to
fend for themselves against an evil talking snake! Would they?
They were NOT naive and stupid. When Eve listened to the snake, she KNEW
what God had told her and what the snake was telling her was NOT what
God
had said. She chose to believe the snake and ignore what God has told
her.
cont
There minds were like a blackboard whipped clean, they were ready,
willing
and able to learn if only God had thought to teach them instead of
deceiving
them.
How would YOU know what God had taught them?
cont
You wouldn't have left your own daughter out on the street alone to be
influenced by a stranger, would you?
if I told my daughter NOT to talk to strangers, and she did, who's fault
was
it?
If you told your daughter, like your parents told you, to believe in your
god
and no other god, who's fault was it for fitting her with blinkers and
destroying her ability to think straight for the rest of her life?
Bob
Hong Kong
Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to
evade the need to think and evaluate evidence.
Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of,
the lack of evidence.
[Richard Dawkins]
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"Cindy" <Cindy@nospam> wrote in message
news:BIqdnXFgF5TPTrbcRVn-gg@comcast.com...
"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:5VPWc.3884$oA.2874@trndny04...
"Red Dragon" <tskhoon@streamyx.com> wrote in message
news:412983dc$1_1@news.tm.net.my...
Why did the law allow killer and victim to live in the same
country
and
meet
each other?
Because the victim and the killer are the same person.
We are talking about responsiblity. Before eating the appple,
Adam
and
Eve were devoid of knowledge of what is good or evil, alike a
3
year
old baby. Remember that God did not give them a mind like yours
today.
What I understand is that "sex" was also not in their vocabulary.
Exactly
like the mentality of a 3 year old child. If the father allowed a
King
Cobra to live in the same house and one day the cobra bit the
baby,
who
is
to be responsible?
They may have been ignorant of evil and the difference between good
and
evil, but they certainly KNEW what OBEDIENCE to God was, and what He
commanded them, so they ARE responsible for that choice, NO matter,
who
or
what tempted them otherwise.
They couldn't know what obedience was unless God told them and nowhere
in
the bible does it state that he told them what obedience meant.
I mean, these were the first people, they had no experience
whatsoever,
God
should have protected them, like we would do with a baby, or any
animal
will
defend it's young.
No moral person would knowingly leave an innocent, naive person(s)
alone
to
fend for themselves against an evil talking snake! Would they?
There minds were like a blackboard whipped clean, they were ready,
willing
and able to learn if only God had thought to teach them instead of
deceiving
them.
You understand this, don't you Dore!
You wouldn't have left your own daughter out on the street alone to be
influenced by a stranger, would you?
No, I didn't think so, but God did!
Cindy
cont
Q. Why would Satan voluntarily obey God by punishing and
torturing
his
very own allies?
A. Because God and Satan are the same person.
That really isn't obeying God, but Satan, by his evil nature, enjoys
the
punishing and torturing. To Satan NO ONE is his allies, for he
thinks of
himself above all, and those who serve him, he mocks, stabs in the
back,
rules over treacherously, makes fun of because they were stupid
enough
to
listen to him, and kicks them around as slaves.
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"Red Dragon" <tskhoon@streamyx.com> wrote in message
news:412983dc$1_1@news.tm.net.my...
Why did the law allow killer and victim to live in the same
country
and
meet
each other?
Because the victim and the killer are the same person.
We are talking about responsiblity. Before eating the appple,
Adam
and
Eve were devoid of knowledge of what is good or evil, alike a
3
year
old baby. Remember that God did not give them a mind like yours
today.
What I understand is that "sex" was also not in their vocabulary.
Exactly
like the mentality of a 3 year old child. If the father allowed a
King
Cobra to live in the same house and one day the cobra bit the
baby,
who
is
to be responsible?
Can you please write waht was the cause? I would like to reply
but I
don't
have the Bible.
Can you please write properly spelt words?
Q. Why would Satan voluntarily obey God by punishing and
torturing
his
very own allies?
A. Because God and Satan are the same person.
I dont understand this. Kindly elaborate. Who is allies to Satan?
Sadam
Hussein?
Khoon.
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| User: "Andrew W \Paranormal Agnostic" |
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| Title: Re: God and Satan are the same person. |
28 Aug 2004 12:57:28 AM |
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"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:vZPXc.1953$tI.1050@trndny04...
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:412E97F4.F8DE937A@netvigator.com...
If you told your daughter, like your parents told you, to believe in your
god
and no other god, who's fault was it for fitting her with blinkers and
destroying her ability to think straight for the rest of her life?
I don't see how telling the truth is fitting anyone with blinkers, in
fact,
Truth? What a laugh.
just the opposite, it is lies that do that. Since there is NO other God,
then NOT believing in Him, is what causes people the inability to think
straight for all they then know is lies, confusion, chaos, evil, and
darkness etc.
cont
Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to
evade the need to think and evaluate evidence.
Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of,
the lack of evidence.
[Richard Dawkins]
Faith is what makes a man, no matter what he believes in.
Yes. Faith in one's own abilities and value because without that, one cannot
achieve anything.
If he believes in
lies, then his evaluation of any evidence is jaded and misconstrued,
because
he cannot see clearly. Take money for example, there is much evidence that
Evidence? We have facts about money. We don't need evidence. Where have you
been?
it is nothing more than a limiting, controlling, oppressive, corrupt,
enslavement of mankind,
It is not money that's limiting, controlling, oppressive etc. It's the
corporations that control it that are. Money is just paper, plastic and
metal. It's like saying that guns kill. It's not guns that kill, it's people
that kill.
and yet most of mankind has faith in it and believes
it is necessary for life and that is why mankind is enslaved to it,
causing
them to be without, causing them to be limited, sorrowful, living in fear
being without it, abused, oppressed.
Without money we would have to go back to the old days of trading items.
If you have something you no longer need, and want to trade it with
something that someone else has and vice versa, but your item has more value
than their's then you have a problem.
You can try to find some extra things of their's to make up the value but it
could get complicated.
That's why they invented currency. It makes trade easier and fairer.
The fact is, when you have faith in God
and believe what He says, HE provides the believer with greater things for
consideration, evaluation, evidence, knowledge and wisdom in the greater
things in life.
How about food, clothing and shelter?
How are you going to get those?
You can't survive on consideration, evaluation, evidence etc alone.
The unbeliever is limited to a two dimensional inadequate
understanding of only the physical realm, which even with all that exists
in
it, he still doesn't understand most of it and never will because he has
NO
concept of the intangible and greater things of this life.
And the believer is limited to a two dimensional world where they're only
allowed to do what they're told by an old Jewish book.
--
Andrew W.
"If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save
you..."
~ Jesus. The Gospel of Thomas.
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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| User: "Red Dragon" |
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28 Aug 2004 02:28:05 AM |
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Faith is what makes a man, no matter what he believes in. If he believes
in
lies, then his evaluation of any evidence is jaded and misconstrued,
because
he cannot see clearly. Take money for example, there is much evidence that
it is nothing more than a limiting, controlling, oppressive, corrupt,
enslavement of mankind, and yet most of mankind has faith in it and
believes
it is necessary for life and that is why mankind is enslaved to it,
causing
them to be without, causing them to be limited, sorrowful, living in fear
being without it, abused, oppressed.
Anyone complaining about the evil of money can give me all of theirs as I
am willing to suffer for you the limiting, controlling, oppresive, corrupt,
enslavement of manking, to be without, sorrowful, living in fear, abused and
oppressed. I will be happy to suffer for you. My bank account is Citibank
987654321.
Thanks
Khoon
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| User: "Dore" |
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29 Aug 2004 09:01:43 PM |
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"Red Dragon" <tskhoon@streamyx.com> wrote in message
news:413034ea_2@news.tm.net.my...
Anyone complaining about the evil of money can give me all of theirs as I
am willing to suffer for you the limiting, controlling, oppresive,
corrupt,
enslavement of manking, to be without, sorrowful, living in fear, abused
and
oppressed. I will be happy to suffer for you. My bank account is
Citibank
987654321.
As well as suffering the torments of hell. You just sold your soul to the
devil. After screaming in the horrors of hell until you can't stand another
minute, let me know if it was worth it.
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"Red Dragon" <tskhoon@streamyx.com> wrote in message
news:413034ea_2@news.tm.net.my...
Faith is what makes a man, no matter what he believes in. If he believes
in
lies, then his evaluation of any evidence is jaded and misconstrued,
because
he cannot see clearly. Take money for example, there is much evidence
that
it is nothing more than a limiting, controlling, oppressive, corrupt,
enslavement of mankind, and yet most of mankind has faith in it and
believes
it is necessary for life and that is why mankind is enslaved to it,
causing
them to be without, causing them to be limited, sorrowful, living in
fear
being without it, abused, oppressed.
Anyone complaining about the evil of money can give me all of theirs as I
am willing to suffer for you the limiting, controlling, oppresive,
corrupt,
enslavement of manking, to be without, sorrowful, living in fear, abused
and
oppressed. I will be happy to suffer for you. My bank account is
Citibank
987654321.
Thanks
Khoon
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: God and Satan are the same person. |
29 Aug 2004 09:18:04 PM |
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"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:bUvYc.13080$qY.5559@trndny05...
"Red Dragon" <tskhoon@streamyx.com> wrote in message
news:413034ea_2@news.tm.net.my...
Anyone complaining about the evil of money can give me all of theirs as
I
am willing to suffer for you the limiting, controlling, oppresive,
corrupt,
enslavement of manking, to be without, sorrowful, living in fear, abused
and
oppressed. I will be happy to suffer for you. My bank account is
Citibank
987654321.
As well as suffering the torments of hell. You just sold your soul to the
devil. After screaming in the horrors of hell until you can't stand
another
minute, let me know if it was worth it.
Hey, you're the one that claims to have been there while being anally probed
by demons while your god, apparently a Santa look-a-like, looks on and
"whinces".
You tell us? Was it worth it?
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Andrew W \Paranormal Agnostic" |
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04 Sep 2004 11:23:36 PM |
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"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Red Dragon" <tskhoon@streamyx.com> wrote in message
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Anyone complaining about the evil of money can give me all of theirs as I
am willing to suffer for you the limiting, controlling, oppresive,
corrupt,
enslavement of manking, to be without, sorrowful, living in fear, abused
and
oppressed. I will be happy to suffer for you. My bank account is
Citibank
987654321.
As well as suffering the torments of hell. You just sold your soul to the
devil. After screaming in the horrors of hell until you can't stand
another
minute, let me know if it was worth it.
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Dore
You can take your dumb hell doctrine and go to hell.
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Andrew W.
"If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save
you..."
~ Jesus. The Gospel of Thomas.
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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| User: "Puck Greenman" |
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01 Sep 2004 07:48:04 AM |
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:28:31 GMT, "Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net>
wrote:
They were NOT naive and stupid. When Eve listened to the snake, she KNEW
what God had told her and what the snake was telling her was NOT what God
had said. She chose to believe the snake and ignore what God has told her.
Are you saying that A&E already new the difference between good and
bad, before they ate the fruit?
If they did not, they were nieve(sp), if they did, the ban on the
fruit?
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Puck Greenman
#162
BAAWA Knight.
Blesed is the self righteous xtian,
for his is the sure and certain knowledge
that no matter what load of tripe he
comes out with:
God told him to say it.
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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26 Aug 2004 01:48:44 PM |
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Cindy wrote:
"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
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< snip >
You wouldn't have left your own daughter out on the street alone to be
influenced by a stranger, would you?
No, I didn't think so, but God did!
And let's not even try to figure out how an omniscient, omnipresent god
didn't notice what was going on.
< snip >
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Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism
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| User: "Dore" |
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26 Aug 2004 07:31:42 PM |
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"Tukla Ratte" <tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote in message
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And let's not even try to figure out how an omniscient, omnipresent god
didn't notice what was going on.
Watching, knowing and seeing what is going on, without intervention, to
test Adam and Eve and their choices, was the purpose of the tree and the
snake in the first place.
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Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"Tukla Ratte" <tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote in message
news:2p6pgnFh3jhvU1@uni-berlin.de...
Cindy wrote:
"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:5VPWc.3884$oA.2874@trndny04...
< snip >
You wouldn't have left your own daughter out on the street alone to be
influenced by a stranger, would you?
No, I didn't think so, but God did!
And let's not even try to figure out how an omniscient, omnipresent god
didn't notice what was going on.
< snip >
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Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism
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| User: "Cindy" |
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27 Aug 2004 01:33:36 PM |
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"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:OhvXc.9762$VY.6592@trndny09...
"Tukla Ratte" <tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote in message
news:2p6pgnFh3jhvU1@uni-berlin.de...
And let's not even try to figure out how an omniscient, omnipresent god
didn't notice what was going on.
Watching, knowing and seeing what is going on, without intervention, to
test Adam and Eve and their choices, was the purpose of the tree and the
snake in the first place.
So God doesn't know everything then?
Cindy
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| User: "Dore" |
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27 Aug 2004 06:52:47 PM |
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"Cindy" <Cindy@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:78-dnehQ9Iqw47LcRVn-gw@comcast.com...
So God doesn't know everything then?
Knowing all things and allowing others to make choices of their own free
will is not the same thing.
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Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"Cindy" <Cindy@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:78-dnehQ9Iqw47LcRVn-gw@comcast.com...
"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:OhvXc.9762$VY.6592@trndny09...
"Tukla Ratte" <tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote in message
news:2p6pgnFh3jhvU1@uni-berlin.de...
And let's not even try to figure out how an omniscient, omnipresent god
didn't notice what was going on.
Watching, knowing and seeing what is going on, without intervention, to
test Adam and Eve and their choices, was the purpose of the tree and
the
snake in the first place.
So God doesn't know everything then?
Cindy
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| User: "Andrew W \Paranormal Agnostic" |
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27 Aug 2004 11:44:08 PM |
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"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:jPPXc.113$B91.78@trndny08...
"Cindy" <Cindy@nospam.com> wrote in message
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So God doesn't know everything then?
Knowing all things and allowing others to make choices of their own free
will is not the same thing.
Choices?
You mean 'Do as I say or die' ?
Yeah, great selection of choices they are.
--
Andrew W.
"If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save
you..."
~ Jesus. The Gospel of Thomas.
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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| User: "Dore" |
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28 Aug 2004 06:16:30 PM |
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"Andrew W (Paranormal Agnostic)" <nospaam_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote
in message news:41300d9c$0$19287$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
Choices?
You mean 'Do as I say or die' ?
Yeah, great selection of choices they are.
You are blind, standing on the edge of a cliff. I told you not to take a
step forward or you fall to your death. Now you have a choice, you can
either obey my word or take a step. Not much of a choice, however obviously
worth making the right one.
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Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"Andrew W (Paranormal Agnostic)" <nospaam_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote
in message news:41300d9c$0$19287$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:jPPXc.113$B91.78@trndny08...
"Cindy" <Cindy@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:78-dnehQ9Iqw47LcRVn-gw@comcast.com...
So God doesn't know everything then?
Knowing all things and allowing others to make choices of their own free
will is not the same thing.
Choices?
You mean 'Do as I say or die' ?
Yeah, great selection of choices they are.
--
Andrew W.
"If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save
you..."
~ Jesus. The Gospel of Thomas.
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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| User: "Andrew W \Paranormal Agnostic" |
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29 Aug 2004 05:20:05 AM |
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"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:in8Yc.7633$Yo2.3756@trndny01...
"Andrew W (Paranormal Agnostic)" <nospaam_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote
in message news:41300d9c$0$19287$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
Choices?
You mean 'Do as I say or die' ?
Yeah, great selection of choices they are.
You are blind, standing on the edge of a cliff. I told you not to take a
step forward or you fall to your death. Now you have a choice, you can
either obey my word or take a step. Not much of a choice, however
obviously
worth making the right one.
Is this how you would test your children? By putting them on the edge of a
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