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"George Hammond" |
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12 Mar 2007 01:50:19 PM |
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Re: GOD AS THE HISTORY OF CURVATURE=G_uv |
On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:20:48 GMT, George Hammond
<nospam@nospam.org> wrote:
On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:31:06 +0100, "John Christiansen"
<superkaempe@mail1.stofanet.dk> wrote:
<snip a lot of bs>
[Hammond]
Richard Dawkins fits your description, yet he is a COMPLETE
FOOL who is embarresing Oxford University and academia by
publishing atheistic books such as _The God Delusion_.
Fact is, since a rigorous scientific proof of God has been
found.... ALL ATHEISTS are now proven to be fools!
That is what I call slander until you can prove it in court, are you ready
for that?
John Christiansen
[Hammond]
You bet I am.
Anytime you're ready.
The SUPREME COURT would be the best venue for proving that
the discovery of the world's first SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF GOD
now justifies:
1. The religious rights of the Fundamentalists
2. Teaching Religion in the Science curriculem of our
public schools.
3. Teachin Creationism as a "proven scientific theory".
4. "In God We Trust" is NOT a violation of Church and
State!
5. The legal restraint of Atheists like Dawkins from
publishing slanderous atheistic and anti-scientific
propaganda such as "The God Delusion".
Any time you want to try me, just file a lawsuit, and I'll
get the NAE and the ACLU to defend me bigshot! I'll make
the Scopes Trial look like a Sunday School picknic!
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO CRUSIFY THIS PHYSICIST
ON THE CARTESIAN COORDINATE SYSTEM!
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SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE
http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god
mirror site:
http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com
GOD=G_uv (a folk song on mp3)
http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3
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| User: "Bill M" |
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| Title: Re: GOD AS THE HISTORY OF CURVATURE=G_uv |
12 Mar 2007 04:24:05 PM |
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God created this???
He created hunger pains to force man to eat and drink, suffocation panic to
force man to breathe, and a powerful sex drive to force man to procreate.
(Frequently in excess of mans ability to feed and care for his creations!)
Why create greed and selfishness which encourages man to steel, lie,
subjugate and even kill other men?
This is supposedly to keep man in line and force him to follow god's wishes
and commands. This is characteristic of a dictator and slave master not the
characteristics of a loving god.
Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer, create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Floods,
Wars, Earth Quakes, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases and
serious body malfunctions? There are 12,000 known diseases that affect and
punish mankind indiscriminately. Why does he permit millions of both young
and old to starve to death or die of miserable diseases? Why punish millions
of INNOCENT CHILDREN in this horrible way?
Why does this all powerful and caring god permit totally "innocent children"
to die at birth? Or worse, be born lacking eyesight, a fully developed
brain, deaf and dumb, missing limbs etc.? Why are some born idiots and
others with super intelligence? Why are some born into wealth and others
pauper poor? Why are his human creations designed to deteriorate into a
miserable and devastating old age regardless of their religious affiliation?
God supposedly created the world like it is to punish man for Adam and Eve's
'original sin'. Why does he also punish supposedly innocent animals with
thousands of diseases, birth defects, starvation and to be eaten alive by
other animals?
Why did this all powerful and loving creator create things like sharks,
jelly fish, octopus, lions, tigers, rhinoceros, Wolves, poisonous snakes,
stinging and poisonous insects, poisonous plants etc.? Why did this caring
benevolent god create animals (including man) that need to painfully kill
and eat other animals to survive?
World War I claimed 9,000,000 lives of people of many religious faiths.
World II indiscriminately claimed over 20,000,000 lives of people of all
ages and religious faiths, plus a vast destruction of property and more
millions maimed for life.
The recent Asian Tsunami has claimed the lives of 200,000 men, women and
children of all religious persuasions. Over 100,000 of these were totally
INNOCENT children!
There were three major epidemics of the Bubonic Plaque - in the 6th, 14th.
and 17th centuries. The death toll was over 137 million men, women and
totally innocent children.
The influenza of 1918-1919 killed at least 25 million men, women and
innocent children indiscriminately.
Diseases like malaria, AIDS, tuberculosis, etc. maim and kill millions
indiscriminately every year. More millions die of starvation and
malnutrition.
These indiscriminately afflicted the young and old, atheists and those of
all religious persuasions.
Meanwhile MAN, not god, has developed defenses and cures for hundreds of
serious diseases. Man has learned to create shelter, heat and cooling,
purify water, world wide electronic communications, power and transportation
systems including flying through the air.
Man has created a wonderful medical and drug system and improved housing and
food production. The result of MAN'S inventiveness has
DOUBLED the average life span. None of this was created by any gods.
Perhaps your loving and caring god is actually a cruel, heartless, mean and
torturing tyrant. If he treats us so cruelly during life, why do you think
he will let us enjoy peace and eternal happiness in his Heaven? And why does
he keep all this a secret by preventing communication with our dead parents,
siblings and friends? (Or this god?)
There are thousands of religious and god beliefs but NO OJECTIVE VERIFIABLE
EVIDENCE for the actual existence of ANY of these gods. ALL god beliefs are
based on the unsubstantiated 'opinions' of errant men.
If there is a god that created the Universe, he is obviously not an
all-caring and benevolent god. Nor is he an "Intelligent Designer". The
objective evidence is if there is a god creator, he has NO concern about the
welfare of the creatures on Earth.
The objective evidence is that no gods created man but quite the opposite;
that man created gods!
I challenge god believers to supply ANY objective verifiable evidence that
their god actually exists except in their over active imaginations.
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| User: "Mettas Mother" |
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| Title: Re: GOD AS THE HISTORY OF CURVATURE=G_uv |
12 Mar 2007 04:28:09 PM |
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Actually GOD wanted to help everyone live peaceful lives,
but that could happend. It is all my fault. I could not control myself!
I died some two thousand years ago.
God existed then. But one day when we were playing
poker we got drunk and some of us thought god
cheated and we drove the knife through god's heart!
After god's death we regretted our actions, because
then we had one lesser partner at poker!
So please blame me and not GOD!
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:VFiJh.6952$B7.4280@bigfe9...
God created this???
He created hunger pains to force man to eat and drink, suffocation panic to
force man to breathe, and a powerful sex drive to force man to procreate.
(Frequently in excess of mans ability to feed and care for his creations!)
Why create greed and selfishness which encourages man to steel, lie,
subjugate and even kill other men?
This is supposedly to keep man in line and force him to follow god's wishes
and commands. This is characteristic of a dictator and slave master not the
characteristics of a loving god.
Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer, create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Floods,
Wars, Earth Quakes, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases and
serious body malfunctions? There are 12,000 known diseases that affect and
punish mankind indiscriminately. Why does he permit millions of both young
and old to starve to death or die of miserable diseases? Why punish millions
of INNOCENT CHILDREN in this horrible way?
Why does this all powerful and caring god permit totally "innocent children"
to die at birth? Or worse, be born lacking eyesight, a fully developed
brain, deaf and dumb, missing limbs etc.? Why are some born idiots and
others with super intelligence? Why are some born into wealth and others
pauper poor? Why are his human creations designed to deteriorate into a
miserable and devastating old age regardless of their religious affiliation?
God supposedly created the world like it is to punish man for Adam and Eve's
'original sin'. Why does he also punish supposedly innocent animals with
thousands of diseases, birth defects, starvation and to be eaten alive by
other animals?
Why did this all powerful and loving creator create things like sharks,
jelly fish, octopus, lions, tigers, rhinoceros, Wolves, poisonous snakes,
stinging and poisonous insects, poisonous plants etc.? Why did this caring
benevolent god create animals (including man) that need to painfully kill
and eat other animals to survive?
World War I claimed 9,000,000 lives of people of many religious faiths.
World II indiscriminately claimed over 20,000,000 lives of people of all
ages and religious faiths, plus a vast destruction of property and more
millions maimed for life.
The recent Asian Tsunami has claimed the lives of 200,000 men, women and
children of all religious persuasions. Over 100,000 of these were totally
INNOCENT children!
There were three major epidemics of the Bubonic Plaque - in the 6th, 14th.
and 17th centuries. The death toll was over 137 million men, women and
totally innocent children.
The influenza of 1918-1919 killed at least 25 million men, women and
innocent children indiscriminately.
Diseases like malaria, AIDS, tuberculosis, etc. maim and kill millions
indiscriminately every year. More millions die of starvation and
malnutrition.
These indiscriminately afflicted the young and old, atheists and those of
all religious persuasions.
Meanwhile MAN, not god, has developed defenses and cures for hundreds of
serious diseases. Man has learned to create shelter, heat and cooling,
purify water, world wide electronic communications, power and transportation
systems including flying through the air.
Man has created a wonderful medical and drug system and improved housing and
food production. The result of MAN'S inventiveness has
DOUBLED the average life span. None of this was created by any gods.
Perhaps your loving and caring god is actually a cruel, heartless, mean and
torturing tyrant. If he treats us so cruelly during life, why do you think
he will let us enjoy peace and eternal happiness in his Heaven? And why does
he keep all this a secret by preventing communication with our dead parents,
siblings and friends? (Or this god?)
There are thousands of religious and god beliefs but NO OJECTIVE VERIFIABLE
EVIDENCE for the actual existence of ANY of these gods. ALL god beliefs are
based on the unsubstantiated 'opinions' of errant men.
If there is a god that created the Universe, he is obviously not an
all-caring and benevolent god. Nor is he an "Intelligent Designer". The
objective evidence is if there is a god creator, he has NO concern about the
welfare of the creatures on Earth.
The objective evidence is that no gods created man but quite the opposite;
that man created gods!
I challenge god believers to supply ANY objective verifiable evidence that
their god actually exists except in their over active imaginations.
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| User: "Mettas Mother" |
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12 Mar 2007 04:31:06 PM |
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Actually GOD wanted to help everyone live peaceful lives,
but that could not happen. It is all my fault. I could not control myself!
I died some two thousand years ago.
God existed then. But one day when we were playing
poker we got drunk and some of us thought god
cheated and we drove the knife through god's heart!
After god's death we regretted our actions, because
then we had one lesser partner at poker!
So please blame me and not GOD!
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:VFiJh.6952$B7.4280@bigfe9...
God created this???
He created hunger pains to force man to eat and drink, suffocation panic to
force man to breathe, and a powerful sex drive to force man to procreate.
(Frequently in excess of mans ability to feed and care for his creations!)
Why create greed and selfishness which encourages man to steel, lie,
subjugate and even kill other men?
This is supposedly to keep man in line and force him to follow god's wishes
and commands. This is characteristic of a dictator and slave master not the
characteristics of a loving god.
Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer, create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Floods,
Wars, Earth Quakes, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases and
serious body malfunctions? There are 12,000 known diseases that affect and
punish mankind indiscriminately. Why does he permit millions of both young
and old to starve to death or die of miserable diseases? Why punish millions
of INNOCENT CHILDREN in this horrible way?
Why does this all powerful and caring god permit totally "innocent children"
to die at birth? Or worse, be born lacking eyesight, a fully developed
brain, deaf and dumb, missing limbs etc.? Why are some born idiots and
others with super intelligence? Why are some born into wealth and others
pauper poor? Why are his human creations designed to deteriorate into a
miserable and devastating old age regardless of their religious affiliation?
God supposedly created the world like it is to punish man for Adam and Eve's
'original sin'. Why does he also punish supposedly innocent animals with
thousands of diseases, birth defects, starvation and to be eaten alive by
other animals?
Why did this all powerful and loving creator create things like sharks,
jelly fish, octopus, lions, tigers, rhinoceros, Wolves, poisonous snakes,
stinging and poisonous insects, poisonous plants etc.? Why did this caring
benevolent god create animals (including man) that need to painfully kill
and eat other animals to survive?
World War I claimed 9,000,000 lives of people of many religious faiths.
World II indiscriminately claimed over 20,000,000 lives of people of all
ages and religious faiths, plus a vast destruction of property and more
millions maimed for life.
The recent Asian Tsunami has claimed the lives of 200,000 men, women and
children of all religious persuasions. Over 100,000 of these were totally
INNOCENT children!
There were three major epidemics of the Bubonic Plaque - in the 6th, 14th.
and 17th centuries. The death toll was over 137 million men, women and
totally innocent children.
The influenza of 1918-1919 killed at least 25 million men, women and
innocent children indiscriminately.
Diseases like malaria, AIDS, tuberculosis, etc. maim and kill millions
indiscriminately every year. More millions die of starvation and
malnutrition.
These indiscriminately afflicted the young and old, atheists and those of
all religious persuasions.
Meanwhile MAN, not god, has developed defenses and cures for hundreds of
serious diseases. Man has learned to create shelter, heat and cooling,
purify water, world wide electronic communications, power and transportation
systems including flying through the air.
Man has created a wonderful medical and drug system and improved housing and
food production. The result of MAN'S inventiveness has
DOUBLED the average life span. None of this was created by any gods.
Perhaps your loving and caring god is actually a cruel, heartless, mean and
torturing tyrant. If he treats us so cruelly during life, why do you think
he will let us enjoy peace and eternal happiness in his Heaven? And why does
he keep all this a secret by preventing communication with our dead parents,
siblings and friends? (Or this god?)
There are thousands of religious and god beliefs but NO OJECTIVE VERIFIABLE
EVIDENCE for the actual existence of ANY of these gods. ALL god beliefs are
based on the unsubstantiated 'opinions' of errant men.
If there is a god that created the Universe, he is obviously not an
all-caring and benevolent god. Nor is he an "Intelligent Designer". The
objective evidence is if there is a god creator, he has NO concern about the
welfare of the creatures on Earth.
The objective evidence is that no gods created man but quite the opposite;
that man created gods!
I challenge god believers to supply ANY objective verifiable evidence that
their god actually exists except in their over active imaginations.
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| User: "Ahmed Ouahi, Architect" |
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| Title: Re: GOD AS THE HISTORY OF CURVATURE=G_uv |
12 Mar 2007 03:36:09 PM |
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Amazing, it is exactly, that way, that the politics work!
--
Ahmed Ouahi, Architect
Best Regards!
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:VFiJh.6952$B7.4280@bigfe9...
God created this???
He created hunger pains to force man to eat and drink, suffocation panic
to
force man to breathe, and a powerful sex drive to force man to procreate.
(Frequently in excess of mans ability to feed and care for his creations!)
Why create greed and selfishness which encourages man to steel, lie,
subjugate and even kill other men?
This is supposedly to keep man in line and force him to follow god's
wishes
and commands. This is characteristic of a dictator and slave master not
the
characteristics of a loving god.
Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer, create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Floods,
Wars, Earth Quakes, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases and
serious body malfunctions? There are 12,000 known diseases that affect and
punish mankind indiscriminately. Why does he permit millions of both young
and old to starve to death or die of miserable diseases? Why punish
millions
of INNOCENT CHILDREN in this horrible way?
Why does this all powerful and caring god permit totally "innocent
children"
to die at birth? Or worse, be born lacking eyesight, a fully developed
brain, deaf and dumb, missing limbs etc.? Why are some born idiots and
others with super intelligence? Why are some born into wealth and others
pauper poor? Why are his human creations designed to deteriorate into a
miserable and devastating old age regardless of their religious
affiliation?
God supposedly created the world like it is to punish man for Adam and
Eve's
'original sin'. Why does he also punish supposedly innocent animals with
thousands of diseases, birth defects, starvation and to be eaten alive by
other animals?
Why did this all powerful and loving creator create things like sharks,
jelly fish, octopus, lions, tigers, rhinoceros, Wolves, poisonous snakes,
stinging and poisonous insects, poisonous plants etc.? Why did this caring
benevolent god create animals (including man) that need to painfully kill
and eat other animals to survive?
World War I claimed 9,000,000 lives of people of many religious faiths.
World II indiscriminately claimed over 20,000,000 lives of people of all
ages and religious faiths, plus a vast destruction of property and more
millions maimed for life.
The recent Asian Tsunami has claimed the lives of 200,000 men, women and
children of all religious persuasions. Over 100,000 of these were totally
INNOCENT children!
There were three major epidemics of the Bubonic Plaque - in the 6th, 14th.
and 17th centuries. The death toll was over 137 million men, women and
totally innocent children.
The influenza of 1918-1919 killed at least 25 million men, women and
innocent children indiscriminately.
Diseases like malaria, AIDS, tuberculosis, etc. maim and kill millions
indiscriminately every year. More millions die of starvation and
malnutrition.
These indiscriminately afflicted the young and old, atheists and those of
all religious persuasions.
Meanwhile MAN, not god, has developed defenses and cures for hundreds of
serious diseases. Man has learned to create shelter, heat and cooling,
purify water, world wide electronic communications, power and
transportation
systems including flying through the air.
Man has created a wonderful medical and drug system and improved housing
and
food production. The result of MAN'S inventiveness has
DOUBLED the average life span. None of this was created by any gods.
Perhaps your loving and caring god is actually a cruel, heartless, mean
and
torturing tyrant. If he treats us so cruelly during life, why do you think
he will let us enjoy peace and eternal happiness in his Heaven? And why
does
he keep all this a secret by preventing communication with our dead
parents,
siblings and friends? (Or this god?)
There are thousands of religious and god beliefs but NO OJECTIVE
VERIFIABLE
EVIDENCE for the actual existence of ANY of these gods. ALL god beliefs
are
based on the unsubstantiated 'opinions' of errant men.
If there is a god that created the Universe, he is obviously not an
all-caring and benevolent god. Nor is he an "Intelligent Designer". The
objective evidence is if there is a god creator, he has NO concern about
the
welfare of the creatures on Earth.
The objective evidence is that no gods created man but quite the opposite;
that man created gods!
I challenge god believers to supply ANY objective verifiable evidence that
their god actually exists except in their over active imaginations.
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| User: "G. L. Bradford" |
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| Title: Re: GOD AS THE HISTORY OF CURVATURE=G_uv |
18 Mar 2007 06:44:17 PM |
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"Ahmed Ouahi, Architect" <ahmed.ouahi@welho.com> wrote in message
news:et4dk0$87o$1@nyytiset.pp.htv.fi...
Amazing, it is exactly, that way, that the politics work!
Why have anything at all if there is no movement, no [change] in state
whatsoever? No variation, no diversity, no difference, no equal but
opposites -- no "for every action there is an equal but opposite reaction,"
no three or more dimensionality to be had, whatsoever. Nothing complex.
Nothing proprietary. Nothing free. Nothing independent. Nothing disorderly.
Nothing consequential. Nothing momentus. No one irresponsible, therefore no
one responsible.
Why have anything at all if there is no movement at all, no change at all?
I see God, and universal constancy, as utterly inflexible, as irresistably
immovable, as ever unchanging. Therefore everything else is everything
God -- and universal constancy -- is not. In other words, has to it, 'LIFE'!
Now I know how utterly impossible this is for most people, but I have no
difficulty whatsoever in suddenly completely reversing the picture I just
drew of "God, and universal constancy" and "everything else." Everything
else remaining everything God -- and universal constancy -- is not.
GLB
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| User: "Ahmed Ouahi, Architect" |
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| Title: Re: GOD AS THE HISTORY OF CURVATURE=G_uv |
18 Mar 2007 07:50:37 PM |
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That is what it makes all the difference!
However, the diversity and the diversification, which is a strictly and
absolutely the beauty of the creation, and which it does makes the word and
the life enjoyable to be lived, and which it does makes its pefection, that
none of all the politics, since their start, that they have had ever arrive
to deal with this beauty.
Therefore, this is the absolute reason, for what they are -the politics- a
just repeating everything what they are stated a long time ago, means since,
they started to put the creation down, under any kind of a *****, which
is their speciality.
For the time being, it is something along their -politics- a definitely
invariable behaviours, which it does show, that they are the only
themeselves that they have had makes the religion and make it more a
doctrinal, that they can play with the human mind, including the fear and
the rules along any corner.
However, as a matter a fact, everybody knows, that it has had ever been
enough for the politics, to rule and to control a people, something, that
God himself does not do, because, in the meantime, the politics, they do
want to deal with the life and the death of the people, in an addition to
control even thei behavious, and the worst, is to control also the money,
that it is the source of their surviving along their stuggling for the
beauty of their existence along the beauty of this life all along, and that
is what is all about.
--
Ahmed Ouahi, Architect
Best Regards!
"G. L. Bradford" <glbrad01@insightbb.com> wrote in message
news:MtydnXI5C-VaU2DYnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@insightbb.com...
"Ahmed Ouahi, Architect" <ahmed.ouahi@welho.com> wrote in message
news:et4dk0$87o$1@nyytiset.pp.htv.fi...
Amazing, it is exactly, that way, that the politics work!
Why have anything at all if there is no movement, no [change] in state
whatsoever? No variation, no diversity, no difference, no equal but
opposites -- no "for every action there is an equal but opposite
reaction,"
no three or more dimensionality to be had, whatsoever. Nothing complex.
Nothing proprietary. Nothing free. Nothing independent. Nothing
disorderly.
Nothing consequential. Nothing momentus. No one irresponsible, therefore
no
one responsible.
Why have anything at all if there is no movement at all, no change at
all?
I see God, and universal constancy, as utterly inflexible, as irresistably
immovable, as ever unchanging. Therefore everything else is everything
God -- and universal constancy -- is not. In other words, has to it,
'LIFE'!
Now I know how utterly impossible this is for most people, but I have no
difficulty whatsoever in suddenly completely reversing the picture I just
drew of "God, and universal constancy" and "everything else." Everything
else remaining everything God -- and universal constancy -- is not.
GLB
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| User: "George Hammond" |
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| Title: Re: GOD AS THE HISTORY OF CURVATURE=G_uv |
12 Mar 2007 04:47:01 PM |
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On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:24:05 -0500, "Bill M"
<wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
God created this???
World War I claimed 9,000,000 lives of people of many religious faiths.
World II indiscriminately claimed over 20,000,000 lives
Bubonic Plaque - The death toll was over 137 million
[Hammond]
All that only adds up to a few % of the world population.
The human condition is written on the face of every man in
the world and can be seen on t.v. daily. We don't need you
to cite statistics to tell us what reality is.... we can see
it and 98% of the world is still able to manage a smile on
occasion, and the best people are working furiously to save
those who can't.
As an atheist, I would think you would take a
constructive posture towards Hammond's scientific proof of
God and FINSD SOMEONE who is qualified to make a COMPETENT
scientific comment about it instead of POSTING NONSENSE AND
RIDICULE!!!
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SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE
http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god
mirror site:
http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com
GOD=G_uv (a folk song on mp3)
http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3
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