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"Arne Langsetmo" |
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22 Aug 2003 09:40:13 AM |
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Re: God Bless Judge Roy Moore |
"ButtMaster" Dana wrote:
http://www.bushcountry.org/news/aug_news_pages/g_082103_zeiger_God_bless_judge_roy_moore.htm
God Bless Judge Roy Moore
Hans Zeiger
In a recent piece of hate mail, I was taken to task for using the term
"God-given rights." "GOD doesn't give rights; the CONSTITUTION does," wrote
the critic from Surf City, California. Actually, the constitution
acknowledges the rights that are established in the Ten Commandments of God.
TC 1). No other gods before me
TC 2). No graven images
TC 3). No blasphemy
TC 4). Honour the sabbath
BoR1). Freedom or religion, press, assembly, speech, to petition for grievances
The Ten Commandment establish no rights. Herr Zeiger here seems to
have a hard time with certain common English words like "rights".
Like Mr. Surf City, Judge Myron Thompson misunderstood the relationship
between God and government when he ruled that Alabama Supreme Court Justice
Roy Moore cannot display the Ten Commandments.
In this iconic battle between American values and liberal secularism, every
political and social debate that is worth the fight will be won or lost. The
Ten Commandments must remain on display in Montgomery, Alabama and in the
hearts of Americans from coast to coast.
_Another_ "commandment", eh?
We are blessed to live in a nation where the Ten Commandments are the basis
of our system of law and justice, . . .
Not a _single_ "commandment" is in the Constitution nor the Bill of
Rights (and in fact, the Bill of Rights disavows the first four
commandments).
What a bunch of morons.
[snip]
The genius of the constitutional Bill of Rights is that it respects the
inalienable rights to life, liberty, and property granted by God. Instead of
granting or creating rights, the Bill of Rights plainly asserts that
government lacks certain rights. "Congress shall make no law . . ." . . .
Yet the morons on the right that want to trample the Bill of Rights
insist on the most parsimonious parsing of this language, finding
the protections of the BoR so slim that the prohibition is _only_
on Congress and _only_ against the passage of actual specific law, so
as to erode as much as possible the actual right of freedom of
religion (and speech, etc.). Read this way, yes, the "Bill of
Rights" is in fact no such thing, but is instead just "bill
of prohibitions" that applies only to Congress. But strangely
enough, the Founders _thought) they knew what they were talking
about and called it a "Bill of Rights".
But it's circular argument to claim that the Bill of Rights
grants no rights not already (supposedly) given by the "Creator"
and then to write out of existence the ones that it does give.
. . . "The
right of the people . . . shall not be infringed." "The right of the people
. . . shall not be violated." The Bill of Rights tells us what government
cannot do.
And what do the "Ten Commandments" say about what the gummint
cannot do?
But to become acquainted with the actual establishment of rights, we must
turn to the moral law of God.
The First Commandment is, "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." In
response to this commandment, the Left talks about "freedom from religion."
Yet from the First Commandment to the First Amendment, there is no such
thing as freedom from religion.
Yes there is. Freedom from _your_ religion, from Osama bin Laden's
religion, from _any_ religion someone wants to shove down my throat.
In fact, the First Amendment doesn't even grant freedom OF religion. God
does. The first amendment simply says, "CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW
respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise
thereof." In other words, the federal government cannot touch our
inalienable right to worship God, and to do so as we choose. . .
Or to not worship Gawd, and/or to do so as we please. C.f. commandments
1, 2, 3, and 4.
. . . But just as no
person has the right to murder or to enslave or to terrorize, . . .
But neither the Constitution nor the Bill of Rights prohibit such.
. . . no person has
the right to escape the presence of Almighty God.
ROFLMAO. I don't _need_ to escape the "presence of [some imaginary
sky pixie in the same boat as the Easter Bunny]". All I need to
to get morons like _you_ out of my face and out of my gummint.
The Massachusetts Supreme Court of 1838 described the First Amendment as one
that, "embraces all who believe in the existence of God...[The First
Amendment] does not extend to atheists, because they do not believe in God
or religion; and therefore, their sentiments and professions, whatever they
may be, cannot be called religious sentiments and professions."
They were wrong. Freedom from religion means freedom from _your_
religion, Osama bin Laden's religion, freedom from coercion from
_all_ religions that _you_ don't adhere to and that you find
repugnant. And I simply don't adhere to one more religion than
you.
The Second Commandment says, "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven
images." Because of this commandment, we don't worship statues of George W.
Bush in our cities as the Iraqi people did in theirs under Saddam Hussein.
Tell that to the Republicans that were selling pictures of Dubya the Scared
on Air Force One, and the BK "Action Figure" dolls. But let me know
when you finish tearing down all the statues of Washington and Lincoln
across the country, and do your Taliban imitation with RPGs on
Mt. Rushmore.
In the Third Commandment, we are commanded not to "take the name of the Lord
thy God in vain." It is with great reverence that the framers of all 50
states acknowledged the guidance of Almighty God in the respective state
constitutions.
I don't think that's true. Wasn't there a commandment about bearing
false witness?
The Fourth Commandment is, "Honor the Sabbath Day to keep it holy." Contrary
to the popular bumper sticker, weekends did not originate from labor unions.
The weekend is from the Judeo-Christian tradition rooted in the Fourth
Commandment, and it is protected by federal laws, which, among other things,
prohibit the delivery of mail on Sundays.
Actually, the Post Office works on Sunday. No regular mail delivery,
but if Congress wanted to make Wednesday the day off, they could do it.
Maybe they should, just to kick your shins, and put you folks in
your place.
The American family is protected in the Fifth and Seventh commandments:
"Honor thy father and mother"; "Thou shalt not commit adultery."
"Thou shalt not murder." The right to life is sacred. If the Left had its
way with the Sixth Commandment, abortion would be unchallenged.
"Thou shalt not steal." The right to property is sacred. . . .
Ummmm, you'd better ask Jesus about that. . . .
. . . Without the Eighth
Commandment, the possibilities for income taxes and property taxes . . .
WTF does the Eighth Amendment have to do with taxes?
. . . could be
limitless: universal health care, universal welfare, and universal diversity
training.
Horrors! But I think I see where you're coming from. And where you're
going. Jesus would have too.
"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor." The truth is
sacred, too. Without truth, there would be no justice and no absolute law.
If you want truth, you should give up on your rabbits chewing a cud,
your grasshoppers with four legs, your bats being birds, your pi
of three, and your invisible sky pixie and Saviour-On-A-Stick.
"Thou shalt not covet." In a spirit of covetousness, the Left has coveted
the American experiment - they have sought to claim it for their own.
That's pretty friggin' _lame_, you know. . . .
They invented it, you morons. The American "experiment" began in large
part to get away from religious thugs and bullies like you (whereupon,
people being people, some of these people started up their own
religious thuggery here; thank goodness we had liberals like Jefferson,
Paine, and Madison to set our own religious foamers straight).
We can't let them. God bless Judge Roy Moore.
Doubt that "Gawd's blessings" is going to save his *****.
Cheers,
-- Arne Langsetmo
a.a. #101
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: God Bless Judge Roy Moore |
22 Aug 2003 01:27:56 PM |
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In article <3F462B15.B0B452AE@ix.netcom.com>, says...
"ButtMaster" Dana wrote:
http://www.bushcountry.org/news/aug_news_pages/g_082103_zeiger_God_bless_judge_roy_moore.htm
God Bless Judge Roy Moore
Hans Zeiger
In a recent piece of hate mail, I was taken to task for using the term
"God-given rights." "GOD doesn't give rights; the CONSTITUTION does," wrote
the critic from Surf City, California. Actually, the constitution
acknowledges the rights that are established in the Ten Commandments of God.
TC 1). No other gods before me
That's a violation of the free exercise clause of the first amendment.
TC 2). No graven images
Graven images are considered symbolic free speech. That's another
violation of the US constitution.
TC 3). No blasphemy
Violation of free speech.
TC 4). Honour the sabbath
Violation of free exercise, freedom of assembly and free speech
BoR1). Freedom or religion, press, assembly, speech, to petition for grievances
The Ten Commandment establish no rights. Herr Zeiger here seems to
have a hard time with certain common English words like "rights".
Not only does the ten commandments fail to grant rights, but it
unconstitutionally takes away rights that the federal bill of rights
guarantees. Therefore our federal rights are not from god, at least as
far as the ten commandments are concerned.
Every single one of the ten commandments, aside from the prohibition
against stealing or murder could arguably be said to be unconstitutional
under the bill of rights. The first commandment attempts to unlawfully
establish religion and prohibit free exercise. Depending on which
version of the commandments one reads, additional commandments also
prohibit various kinds of free speech, prohibit coveting and adultery
which we are allowed to do under an inferred right to privacy and
interfere with our right to free assembly. Since the 10k conflict so
utterly with the BoR, there is no way that one could be based on the
other.
As far as the bill of rights goes:
Amendment 1: see discussion above.
Amendment 2: The hebrews do not have an absolute right to own
whatever arms they like. At various times they are subjugated by people
like the philistines who prohibit them from owning swords or even the
tools to sharpen their farm implements. (1 Sam 13:20)
Amendment 3: David violates this when he quarters his troops
in various places, including the home of Nabal, whom David swears to kill
for initially denying hospitality to him and his outlaw gang.
(1 Sam 25:11-22).
Amendment 4: Yahweh doesn't particularly care about warrants and
frequently allows the Israelites to seize the property of others.
(Look at the whole book of Joshua)
Amendment 5: It's an understatement to say that Yahweh doesn't prohibit
double jeopardy. Exodus 34:7, Numbers 14:18 and Deuteronomy 5:9 go so far
as to hold the children responsible for the crimes of the parents.
Amendment 6: Yahweh provides no guarantee of a speedy trial by an
impartial jury of peers. At best Yahweh proposes a hodge podge of stupid
procedures, such as casting lots to determine if someone is guilty.
(1 Sam 14:42) There is no requirement that the person being punished
necessarily be told the charges against him or that he be given access to
council. Look at poor Uzzah (2 Sam 6:6).
Amendment 7: Again, Yahweh makes no guarantee that civil cases will be
tried by a jury. Very frequently a king or a lesser official was allowed
to try civil cases and there was little or no appeals process.
Amendment 8: A variety of cruel or unusual punishments are permitted to
various kings and to god himself, unlike the prudent limits imposed in
the US constitution. While there were some concepts of ransoming that
might be similar to bail, there was not prohibition against it being
excessive. Therefore the 8th amendment does seem bible inspired either.
The 9th and 10th amendments don't really apply to the bible at all.
--
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Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "MarkA" |
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| Title: Re: God Bless Judge Roy Moore |
22 Aug 2003 11:13:17 AM |
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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 14:40:13 +0000, Arne Langsetmo wrote:
"ButtMaster" Dana wrote:
http://www.bushcountry.org/news/aug_news_pages/g_082103_zeiger_God_bless_judge_roy_moore.htm
God Bless Judge Roy Moore
Hans Zeiger
In a recent piece of hate mail, I was taken to task for using the term
"God-given rights." "GOD doesn't give rights; the CONSTITUTION does,"
wrote the critic from Surf City, California. Actually, the constitution
acknowledges the rights that are established in the Ten Commandments of
God.
TC 1). No other gods before me
TC 2). No graven images
TC 3). No blasphemy
TC 4). Honour the sabbath
BoR1). Freedom or religion, press, assembly, speech, to petition for
grievances
The Ten Commandment establish no rights. Herr Zeiger here seems to have a
hard time with certain common English words like "rights".
Like Mr. Surf City, Judge Myron Thompson misunderstood the relationship
between God and government when he ruled that Alabama Supreme Court
Justice Roy Moore cannot display the Ten Commandments.
In this iconic battle between American values and liberal secularism,
Sorry I missed the original post. "Iconic battle between American values
and liberal secularism"? I thought this was a battle between American
values, as specified in the Consitition, and "conservative theocratism",
who seem unable to grasp the idea that the government should not be
actively promoting their religion. Mental illness takes many forms.
every political and social debate that is worth the fight will be won or
lost. The Ten Commandments must remain on display in Montgomery, Alabama
and in the hearts of Americans from coast to coast.
_Another_ "commandment", eh?
<snip>
-- Arne Langsetmo
a.a. #101
See what happens when you give a tribe of chimps enough brain to start to
think, but not enough to think *clearly*?
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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