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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Marguerita"
Date: 02 Apr 2004 08:21:45 AM
Object: Re: God is a *****
On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 17:59:56 +0200, "JPL Verhey" <petervar@12move.nl>
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"PaulAbeles" <sirpaul@buckhouse.windsor.uk> wrote in message
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"Sheldon Liberman" <sheldon.liberman@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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PaulAbeles wrote:

As I was having dinner tonight, my dog came across for a pat. As he

held

his

warm muzzle against my hand I thought about God.

I said to myself, " What sort of God would allow horrific cruelty to
animals?."

Then I consoled myself. I cant blame God. God is a myth.

But to those who believe in God, I say, " Your God is a c..t.


Did you ever stop to think about the fact that G-d existence doesn't
depend on your ability to understand His motives for anything?

Do you have children? Were they ever young enough and immature enough
that they didn't undestand what actions you did on their behalf, liking
regulating their bedtime, forcing them to go to school, forcing them to
have flu shots, etc. I'll bet they thought you were mean at the time.

It's one thing to be athiest, but what sort of person goes around saying
teh things you do? How can you be so absolutely certain that there isn't
a reality beyond what you're senses tell you, that you would figure you
had absolutely nothing to lose by speaking as you do. What do you gain
by it?

Even Bertram Russell said that if he was wrong and he met His Maker, he
would argue lack of evidence. How would you argue being so pernicious,
so truculent?

Are you this way in all walks of life? Gee, I hope not.


BTW I was referring to your God. If I had a God he/she would be kind and
protective of animals and humans.

I often think of God and wish my version did exist.


Since that God you often think of doesn't exist, you (we) have the wonderful
opportunity to emulate him/her/it. Maybe thats what your dog was asking?

Last week I was in Spain, and loning out there in the Pyrenee bush I met the
Patriarch of all dogs, a most magnificant and huge grey wolfe. Eye to eye it
had all reasons not to trust me I guess, and quickly disappeared. Luckily
not to get some of his friends or family and organise them a nice meal with
me.

Wolves very, very rarely attack people. There are no documented wolf
attacks in Europe, and elsewhere it's likely that the reported attacks
(which are rare anyway) are the result of interbred wolf-dogs or rabid
animals.
If you really did see one in the Pyrenees you were very lucky... there
aren't many of them up there! Was it near Andorra?
M
.

User: "JPL Verhey"

Title: Re: God is a ***** 02 Apr 2004 08:05:28 AM
"Marguerita" <marguerita@hottermail.co.uk> wrote in message
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On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 17:59:56 +0200, "JPL Verhey" <petervar@12move.nl>
wrote:


"PaulAbeles" <sirpaul@buckhouse.windsor.uk> wrote in message
news:UxAac.134452$Wa.39250@news-server.bigpond.net.au...


"Sheldon Liberman" <sheldon.liberman@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:406ACC93.9070908@sympatico.ca...



PaulAbeles wrote:

As I was having dinner tonight, my dog came across for a pat. As he

held

his

warm muzzle against my hand I thought about God.

I said to myself, " What sort of God would allow horrific cruelty

to

animals?."

Then I consoled myself. I cant blame God. God is a myth.

But to those who believe in God, I say, " Your God is a c..t.


Did you ever stop to think about the fact that G-d existence doesn't
depend on your ability to understand His motives for anything?

Do you have children? Were they ever young enough and immature enough
that they didn't undestand what actions you did on their behalf,

liking

regulating their bedtime, forcing them to go to school, forcing them

to

have flu shots, etc. I'll bet they thought you were mean at the time.

It's one thing to be athiest, but what sort of person goes around

saying

teh things you do? How can you be so absolutely certain that there

isn't

a reality beyond what you're senses tell you, that you would figure

you

had absolutely nothing to lose by speaking as you do. What do you

gain

by it?

Even Bertram Russell said that if he was wrong and he met His Maker,

he

would argue lack of evidence. How would you argue being so

pernicious,

so truculent?

Are you this way in all walks of life? Gee, I hope not.


BTW I was referring to your God. If I had a God he/she would be kind

and

protective of animals and humans.

I often think of God and wish my version did exist.


Since that God you often think of doesn't exist, you (we) have the

wonderful

opportunity to emulate him/her/it. Maybe thats what your dog was asking?

Last week I was in Spain, and loning out there in the Pyrenee bush I met

the

Patriarch of all dogs, a most magnificant and huge grey wolfe. Eye to eye

it

had all reasons not to trust me I guess, and quickly disappeared. Luckily
not to get some of his friends or family and organise them a nice meal

with

me.


Wolves very, very rarely attack people. There are no documented wolf
attacks in Europe, and elsewhere it's likely that the reported attacks
(which are rare anyway) are the result of interbred wolf-dogs or rabid
animals.

Yes fortunately I knew there wasn't a real reason to ***** in my pants.. but
the old myth of the bloodthursty wolf did have an effect I admit.


If you really did see one in the Pyrenees you were very lucky... there
aren't many of them up there! Was it near Andorra?

Well actually it was "somewhere" in Catalonia.. and we found indeed in
Catalonia a wolf was spotted this year.. last time in februari. A unique
event though. We decided to tell no one.. otherwise hunters with bullets no
doubt would chase and kill the beautiful animal. The speculation is it came
from Italy, maybe escaped from a zoo! All the more reason to leave it alone
and free.
.
User: "Marguerita"

Title: Re: God is a ***** 02 Apr 2004 06:59:35 PM
On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 16:05:28 +0200, "JPL Verhey" <petervar@12move.nl>
wrote:

Yes fortunately I knew there wasn't a real reason to ***** in my pants.. but
the old myth of the bloodthursty wolf did have an effect I admit.

I can imagine. They are very impressive animals, far larger than most
people expect.

Well actually it was "somewhere" in Catalonia.. and we found indeed in
Catalonia a wolf was spotted this year.. last time in februari. A unique
event though. We decided to tell no one.. otherwise hunters with bullets no
doubt would chase and kill the beautiful animal. The speculation is it came
from Italy, maybe escaped from a zoo! All the more reason to leave it alone
and free.

Always best to keep quiet about it. The populations in some of the
more remote regions of Europe have been increasing for a while, but
they still need a lot of protection. There are still too many people
who regard them as being that bloodthirsty killer of the myths.
I've been hoping that the biologists who've been fighting for a
Scottish reintroduction plan might get somewhere but it seems to be no
further on than it was ten years ago. It'd be cool to be able to see
them closer to home :-)
M
.



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