On 14 Aug 2003 00:59:45 -0700, (Kix Adams) wrote:
"juliekale" <me[spammenot]@juliekale.com> wrote in message news:<sUe_a.30684$qg3.2040176@twister.tampabay.rr.com>...
It's so very interesting to me that in the bible you see so many examples of
children paying for the sins of their parents, despite the fact that this is
supposed to be something god finds unjust and unreasonable.
Could you give me an example of what you're talking about? Because I'm
not real clear on what you mean and I would like to respond if
possible.
You should read the Bible.
You're talking about one mistake made by two ignorant people who were not
told that their actions would cause such great harm to humanity, and yet
your loving god has chosen to punish the whole of humanity for something we
had nothing to do with.
Oh, but it wasn't a mistake. A mistake is when you innocently do
something out of pure ignorance, like turning down a one way street
because the sign was missing that warned you not to enter. This, on
the other hand was a concious, deliberate decision to disobey the ONE
commandment God gave them. Claiming this act was a mistake is what a
small child would say in order to get out of punishement after he
deliberately wrote all over the wall with a magic marker. Did I
explain that well enough for you to see the difference?
I see the difference. It would have been a mistake if A and E knew the
difference between right and wrong, but that didn't happen until after
the tree scam. It was a deliberate decision by God to use them as an
excuse to downgrade all of creation.
God is the sort that would remove the one way sign and rejoice when cars
collide.
Oh, and the fact that God has forgiving me of every sin I've commited
in my life and promises he will do the same for anyone tells me that
he is indeed a V-E-R-Y loving God.
God should forgive us for being as he made us, but should we forgive God?
Why should I seek forgivness when I had no part in creating my own sinful
nature?
We don't ask forgiveness for having a sinful nature. We ask
forgiveness for all the times we've given into that nature.
Why must we fight our God given nature?
Adam and
Eve basically told God, by their actions that they wanted the free
will to choose beteen doing good and doing evil. God gave them that
free will, but as we've heard many times lately, freedom isn't free.
We are ALL tempted, every last one of us, and every last one of us
gives in at one time or another. The price of those sins is eternal
damnation, if we don't ask for forgiveness for them.
We are the victims here. You would punish a child for having abusive parents.
But that really is a very easy thing to do.. if you listen to what God has
put in your heart.
God put a shooshing sound in my heart.
There has only been one person in all the history of mankind who was
totally innocent of any sin.. That person was Jesus Christ.
Why didn't God make us all totally innocent of any sin?
And the
reason this perfect man was beaten, stabbed, nailed to a cross and
spent three days in hell, was to pay the price for ALL of us who
choose to accept the firgiveness and salvation he offers. Kind of like
having someone offer to pay all your traffic tickets for you. He has
promised us that if we come to him in prayer and gives our lives over
to him in sincere repentence then our debt is paid in full and
forgiveness is ours, JUST FOR THE ASKING.
Wow! So, only after God was appeased by a stupid ritual was he able
to forgive us for being the way he made us. God could have made us
all perfect but then he would have had no excuse to abuse us.
Without it, we go from god's frying pan into his fire.
I don't know that I would call this life God's frying pan. *smile* I
think mankind has to pretty much bear the responsibility for this
world being as messed up as it is.
It's not our fault, but our creator refuses to accept responsibility for what
he has created. If we don't work at overcoming our God given nature we
won't get ahead.
But, we do have a choice about where we will go when this life is over.
We can choose either lack of existence or non-existance.
That is a promise from God himself.
God has never failed to let us down.
-Barry
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