| Topic: |
Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"Kenny Leong" |
| Date: |
21 Aug 2003 08:53:30 PM |
| Object: |
Re: God KILLED his SON for one rotten APPLE ! |
(Truth Hunter) wrote in message news:<e164e783.0308101615.5a3d9f84@posting.google.com>...
God KILLED his SON for one rotten APPLE !
Well, christians believe that 1) god is all-knowing. 2) god is a
perfect designer. 3) god is a perfect planner.
Combine all three attributes above and consider the following
things...
First...according to christians, there was no earth, and no people
before 'god' created the earth and people. Therefore, people did not
exist physically exist.
If people did not physically exist, then here's big question for the
christians. The question is ... if god is a all-knowing, perfect
designer, and perfect planner, then could god possibly make a product
that does something unexpected (in god's view)? If god CAN make a
product that does something unexpected to god (such as the product has
true free-will), then it means that god is not all-knowing, and god is
not a perfect designer, and god is not a perfect planner.
If god CANNOT make a product that does something unexpected, then it
means that god is all-knowing, and god is a perfect designer, and also
a perfect planner. This means that a all-knowing, perfect designer,
and perfect planner cannot make a product with free-will. If certain
folks insist that 'god' can make a product with free-will, then
there's a fatal violation of just three of god's fundamental
attributes.
So ... relating this to the apple. If some folks reckon that god is
all-knowing, a perfect designer, and perfect planner, then it was god
that created every single event by perfect all-knowing design and
planning..including the apple, and what adam and eve were going to do
etc. Every single mechanical action for adam and eve was designed and
planned by god with perfect knowledge in advance of adam and eve's
physical creation. Given this situation, there's no way that god could
become upset, sad, or angry about his/her/it's perfectly sequenced
future events.
Kenny L.
So...if god is a all-knowing, perfect designer, and perfect planner,
then any future
.
|
|
| User: "Kenny Leong" |
|
| Title: Re: God KILLED his SON for one rotten APPLE ! |
09 Sep 2003 04:37:12 PM |
|
|
duke32 <duke32@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<5rrrlvkahp7latvmrd7edui3a7hvmmtuc2@4ax.com>...
On 9 Sep 2003 06:22:20 -0700, (Kenny Leong)
wrote:
Does god 'what his/her/it's FINAL action is? hahahaha!!
Say what?
And does 'god' know what every single one of his/her/its future
actions will be?
Does God know his own future action? Is that the question. You need
to elloquate better.
'elloquate'? hahahahaha!! Yes dukey, we know you're making up your own
words these days. There's also no need to lie about yourself, saying
that you use that words in front of your friends. Well, I'd gather
that they're your invisible imaginary friends, if you insist that you
use those words in front of your 'friends'. hehehe
Kenny L.
.
|
|
|
|
| User: "Kenny Leong" |
|
| Title: Re: God KILLED his SON for one rotten APPLE ! |
31 Aug 2003 11:11:44 PM |
|
|
duke32 <duke32@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<a8j4lvk1tbn2abvak25atfdpb96pej6ehb@4ax.com>...
On 29 Aug 2003 18:35:12 -0700, (Kenny Leong)
wrote:
If you reckon that god didn't make any decisions for you, AND you also
reckon that god knows exactly what decisions you will make....then AT
WHAT STAGE OF YOUR DID GOD KNOW ALL OF YOUR DECISIONS? Was it before
you were physically created? Or after you were physically created?
Before.
Ok..you reckon 'before'. Then it means only one thing. It means that
all your mechanical actions are locked in before you were even created
physically. Locked in permanently and fixed. Too bad buddy, it means
you have no free-will.
If god didn't know what decisions you were going to make BEFORE you
were physically created, then god obviously doesn't know everything
now, does he/she/it?
Except that he does know before, as I said above.
Yes, which as I said already...it means you therefore have no
free-will because all of your mechanical actions are locked in
permanently and fixed before you were even created physically.
If god knows what decisions you were going to make BEFORE you were
physically created, then obviously you (yes, you...duke32) are a
nutcase.
Sorry, but God says you are wrong.
No such thing as god. And I'm actually right.
This is because you (YES..you duke32 you moron) thinks that
god doesn't make any decisions for you. But YET, if god doesn't make
any decisions for you, AND you weren't YET around to make any
decisions, AND god is supposed to know EVERYTHING (even before you
were physically created)....THEN ... how could god know all your
decisions before you were even there to make them...and YET you
believe that god knows everything, and god knows all of your decisions
in advance? BUT .. you weren't even around to make decisions at the
time that god all-knowingly designed and planned your every mechanical
movement.
God knows everything. Whether you like it or not, he has known for
all time if you are a loser bound for hell. You don't know, of
course, but he does.
No such thing as god.
With God, nothing is impossible.
No such thing as god. Also let me further correct you by saying that
only 'you' believe that nothing is impossible, since you clearly have
illogical and incoherent thinking.
See...the problem is that you're a dum dum. But it's ok..there are
many other people like you if that serves as any consolation.
Except that my plans are to go out a winner, and you appear to enjoy
setting yourself up as a loser.
Well, your 'plans' are irrelevant because we can all see that you're a
loser. And you said 'appear to enjoy'. But as we have all known, you
have no credibility in things you say.
Kenny L
duke, American-American
*****
2Cor 5:10 - For we must all appear before the
judgment seat of Christ, that each one may
receive what is due him for the things done
while in the body, whether good or bad.
*****
.
|
|
|
| User: "duke32" |
|
| Title: Re: God KILLED his SON for one rotten APPLE ! |
01 Sep 2003 12:16:00 PM |
|
|
On 31 Aug 2003 21:11:44 -0700, (Kenny Leong)
wrote:
If you reckon that god didn't make any decisions for you, AND you also
reckon that god knows exactly what decisions you will make....then AT
WHAT STAGE OF YOUR DID GOD KNOW ALL OF YOUR DECISIONS? Was it before
you were physically created? Or after you were physically created?
Before.
Ok..you reckon 'before'. Then it means only one thing. It means that
all your mechanical actions are locked in before you were even created
physically.
Of course not. That's only true in a videocam.
Locked in permanently and fixed. Too bad buddy, it means
you have no free-will.
Sorry, you're wrong as usual.
If god didn't know what decisions you were going to make BEFORE you
were physically created, then god obviously doesn't know everything
now, does he/she/it?
Except that he does know before, as I said above.
Yes, which as I said already...it means you therefore have no
free-will because all of your mechanical actions are locked in
permanently and fixed before you were even created physically.
no they're not locked in. You have yet to freely make them.
With God, nothing is impossible.
No such thing as god.
The evidence says otherwise.
duke, American-American
*****
2Cor 5:10 - For we must all appear before the
judgment seat of Christ, that each one may
receive what is due him for the things done
while in the body, whether good or bad.
*****
.
|
|
|
| User: "Kenny Leong" |
|
| Title: Re: God KILLED his SON for one rotten APPLE ! |
01 Sep 2003 10:10:56 PM |
|
|
duke32 <duke32@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<1fv6lvssf06j88fcc46sr9un7jrom6dsvi@4ax.com>...
On 31 Aug 2003 21:11:44 -0700, (Kenny Leong)
wrote:
If you reckon that god didn't make any decisions for you, AND you also
reckon that god knows exactly what decisions you will make....then AT
WHAT STAGE OF YOUR DID GOD KNOW ALL OF YOUR DECISIONS? Was it before
you were physically created? Or after you were physically created?
Before.
Ok..you reckon 'before'. Then it means only one thing. It means that
all your mechanical actions are locked in before you were even created
physically.
Of course not. That's only true in a videocam.
The situation is exactly that... a complete replay of what 'god'
designed and planned for you 'virtually' BEFORE you were physically
created. GAME OVER for you sonny boy.
Locked in permanently and fixed. Too bad buddy, it means
you have no free-will.
Sorry, you're wrong as usual.
No...you're wrong as usual buddy. You're not only wrong. You're warped
in your ways of thinking.
If god didn't know what decisions you were going to make BEFORE you
were physically created, then god obviously doesn't know everything
now, does he/she/it?
Except that he does know before, as I said above.
Yes, which as I said already...it means you therefore have no
free-will because all of your mechanical actions are locked in
permanently and fixed before you were even created physically.
no they're not locked in. You have yet to freely make them.
You never had the opportunity to freely choose anything for yourself
right from the start sonny jim, because a all-knowing, perfect
designer, and perfect planner (aka god as I told you before) never
all-knowingly designed and planned your every mechanical movement
BEFORE you were even created physically....and BEFORE you could even
make any choices for yourself. So if you weren't around to make any
choices YET (since you didn't physically exist) AND god already
designed and planned your every future action, then you never had
free-will to begin with, you numbskull. You know that already. But
you're the dead cat flogger type as we all know ;)
With God, nothing is impossible.
You're wrong. God can't be a all-knowing, perfect designer and planner
if god allows you to have free-will because as I said...such a entity
can never make a product that he/she/it lacks 'ANY' amount of control
over. Such a entity has 'COMPLETE' control over its product, otherwise
the entity would not be all-knowing, and would not be a perfect
designer, and would not be a perfect planner. And the christian belief
is that god is a all-knowing, perfect designer, and perfect planner.
All of your mechanical actions are therefore locked in and you cannot
freely choose ANYTHING at all. If you believe that you can freely
choose things for yourself, then 'god' is NOT all-knowing, and is also
not a perfect designer or perfect planner.
So duke32 you dum dum, you are free to choose which one it's going to
be. You have free-will AND god is NOT a all-knowing, perfect designer
and planner? OR god is a all-knowing, perfect designer and planner AND
you have NO free-will? You get to choose which one it will be. Take
your time.
Kenny L.
.
|
|
|
|
| User: "JessHC" |
|
| Title: Re: God KILLED his SON for one rotten APPLE ! |
01 Sep 2003 03:48:29 PM |
|
|
duke32 <duke32@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<1fv6lvssf06j88fcc46sr9un7jrom6dsvi@4ax.com>...
On 31 Aug 2003 21:11:44 -0700, (Kenny Leong)
wrote:
If you reckon that god didn't make any decisions for you, AND you also
reckon that god knows exactly what decisions you will make....then AT
WHAT STAGE OF YOUR DID GOD KNOW ALL OF YOUR DECISIONS? Was it before
you were physically created? Or after you were physically created?
Before.
Ok..you reckon 'before'. Then it means only one thing. It means that
all your mechanical actions are locked in before you were even created
physically.
Of course not. That's only true in a videocam.
Okay, so then god DOESN'T know what our final choice will be. Hey,
duke's given us back our free will. How magnanimous.
Locked in permanently and fixed. Too bad buddy, it means
you have no free-will.
Sorry, you're wrong as usual.
No, in fact he's correct, based on your own argument that god knows
what we're going to do before we're born. Which of course at another
point you argued wasn't the case.
If god didn't know what decisions you were going to make BEFORE you
were physically created, then god obviously doesn't know everything
now, does he/she/it?
Except that he does know before, as I said above.
Yes, which as I said already...it means you therefore have no
free-will because all of your mechanical actions are locked in
permanently and fixed before you were even created physically.
no they're not locked in. You have yet to freely make them.
Great, that means we can change our final choice. Thanks.
With God, nothing is impossible.
No such thing as god.
The evidence says otherwise.
You mean all that evidence you can't be bothered to present?
.
|
|
|
| User: "duke32" |
|
| Title: Re: God KILLED his SON for one rotten APPLE ! |
01 Sep 2003 06:32:23 PM |
|
|
On 1 Sep 2003 13:48:29 -0700, (JessHC) wrote:
Okay, so then god DOESN'T know what our final choice will be. Hey,
duke's given us back our free will. How magnanimous.
Of course he does, videocams are only for human usage.
Locked in permanently and fixed. Too bad buddy, it means
you have no free-will.
Sorry, you're wrong as usual.
No, in fact he's correct, based on your own argument that god knows
what we're going to do before we're born. Which of course at another
point you argued wasn't the case.
Not a chance of that - God knows you and every decision you will make
before the universe was even formed.
Jess, I know this is tough for you, but you have to learn to keep my
words straight.
Great, that means we can change our final choice. Thanks.
No, but if you'll sleep better, take 2 aspirins and go to be.
With God, nothing is impossible.
No such thing as god.
The evidence says otherwise.
You mean all that evidence you can't be bothered to present?
I can't fill your vessel because of the hole in the bottom.
duke, American-American
*****
2Cor 5:10 - For we must all appear before the
judgment seat of Christ, that each one may
receive what is due him for the things done
while in the body, whether good or bad.
*****
.
|
|
|
| User: "Kenny Leong" |
|
| Title: Re: God KILLED his SON for one rotten APPLE ! |
02 Sep 2003 12:45:39 AM |
|
|
duke32 <duke32@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<9fl7lvo409djce6s77n0r7lvemmq26i2bc@4ax.com>...
On 1 Sep 2003 13:48:29 -0700, (JessHC) wrote:
Okay, so then god DOESN'T know what our final choice will be. Hey,
duke's given us back our free will. How magnanimous.
Of course he does, videocams are only for human usage.
Irrelevant.
Your 'god' wrote the whole script, produced, filmed and directed the
whole movie. It means that your every future mechanical action was
fixed and locked into place before you were even created physically.
The proof is in the christian beliefs that god is a all-knowing,
perfect designer and perfect planner, combined with the evidence in
the bible, quoted below.
"The steps of a man are established by the LORD"
Psalm37:23
"Man's steps are ordained by the LORD"
Proverbs20:24
GAME OVER for you duke32. You're an embarrassment to human
intelligence bud.
Kenny L.
.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "JessHC" |
|
| Title: Re: God KILLED his SON for one rotten APPLE ! |
01 Sep 2003 01:19:24 AM |
|
|
duke32 <duke32@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<a8j4lvk1tbn2abvak25atfdpb96pej6ehb@4ax.com>...
On 29 Aug 2003 18:35:12 -0700, (Kenny Leong)
wrote:
<snip>
God knows everything. Whether you like it or not, he has known for
all time if you are a loser bound for hell. You don't know, of
course, but he does.
Great, wonderful. So if god knows a particular person is bound for
hell even before that person is born, is it possible for that person
to choose heaven?
With God, nothing is impossible.
He's certainly created a lot of infinite stupidity.
<snip>
Except that my plans are to go out a winner, and you appear to enjoy
setting yourself up as a loser.
Plans go awry. God might know you're not going out a winner, and you
won't be able to do anything about it, because god already knows.
.
|
|
|
| User: "duke32" |
|
| Title: Re: God KILLED his SON for one rotten APPLE ! |
01 Sep 2003 12:17:19 PM |
|
|
On 31 Aug 2003 23:19:24 -0700, (JessHC) wrote:
God knows everything. Whether you like it or not, he has known for
all time if you are a loser bound for hell. You don't know, of
course, but he does.
Great, wonderful. So if god knows a particular person is bound for
hell even before that person is born, is it possible for that person
to choose heaven?
God would know that you chose heaven.
With God, nothing is impossible.
He's certainly created a lot of infinite stupidity.
Yes you are.
duke, American-American
*****
2Cor 5:10 - For we must all appear before the
judgment seat of Christ, that each one may
receive what is due him for the things done
while in the body, whether good or bad.
*****
.
|
|
|
| User: "JessHC" |
|
| Title: Re: God KILLED his SON for one rotten APPLE ! |
01 Sep 2003 03:44:21 PM |
|
|
duke32 <duke32@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<nkv6lvkmvnu7rqdsl0bt19um4ah9mesp34@4ax.com>...
On 31 Aug 2003 23:19:24 -0700, (JessHC) wrote:
God knows everything. Whether you like it or not, he has known for
all time if you are a loser bound for hell. You don't know, of
course, but he does.
Great, wonderful. So if god knows a particular person is bound for
hell even before that person is born, is it possible for that person
to choose heaven?
God would know that you chose heaven.
You didn't answer the question. God knows a particular person is
going to choose hell. It is possible for that person to choose
heaven? Yes or no.
With God, nothing is impossible.
He's certainly created a lot of infinite stupidity.
Yes you are.
Ooo, you're almost as clever as my eight year old son. No, wait, I
take that back; you're not nearly as clever as he is. You should be
embarassed, but I doubt you're smart enough.
I keep waiting for that intellectual smack down you promised, but
apparently it isn't a high priority for you.
.
|
|
|
| User: "duke32" |
|
| Title: Re: God KILLED his SON for one rotten APPLE ! |
01 Sep 2003 06:39:31 PM |
|
|
On 1 Sep 2003 13:44:21 -0700, (JessHC) wrote:
God would know that you chose heaven.
You didn't answer the question. God knows a particular person is
going to choose hell. It is possible for that person to choose
heaven? Yes or no.
Sure, all he wanted to, but seeing as his *final* choice was hell just
before he died, it didn't do him any good.
With God, nothing is impossible.
He's certainly created a lot of infinite stupidity.
Yes you are.
Ooo, you're almost as clever as my eight year old son. No, wait, I
take that back; you're not nearly as clever as he is. You should be
embarassed, but I doubt you're smart enough.
You son laughs at you behind your back, doesn't he. You're an
embarrassment to him, aren't you.
I keep waiting for that intellectual smack down you promised, but
apparently it isn't a high priority for you.
Swoosh - the sound it made when it went right past your head.
duke, American-American
*****
2Cor 5:10 - For we must all appear before the
judgment seat of Christ, that each one may
receive what is due him for the things done
while in the body, whether good or bad.
*****
.
|
|
|
| User: "JessHC" |
|
| Title: Re: God KILLED his SON for one rotten APPLE ! |
02 Sep 2003 04:51:06 PM |
|
|
duke32 <duke32@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<fml7lvo2eejh26mcvpkad51dv5k2hbirul@4ax.com>...
On 1 Sep 2003 13:44:21 -0700, (JessHC) wrote:
God would know that you chose heaven.
You didn't answer the question. God knows a particular person is
going to choose hell. It is possible for that person to choose
heaven? Yes or no.
Sure, all he wanted to, but seeing as his *final* choice was hell just
before he died, it didn't do him any good.
It appears to be impossible for you to give a straight answer.
With God, nothing is impossible.
He's certainly created a lot of infinite stupidity.
Yes you are.
Ooo, you're almost as clever as my eight year old son. No, wait, I
take that back; you're not nearly as clever as he is. You should be
embarassed, but I doubt you're smart enough.
You son laughs at you behind your back, doesn't he. You're an
embarrassment to him, aren't you.
Nope. My son loves and respects me, because I love and respect him.
Too bad that's a concept alien to you.
I keep waiting for that intellectual smack down you promised, but
apparently it isn't a high priority for you.
Swoosh - the sound it made when it went right past your head.
Nice try. You mean the sound of the vacuum leak in your head? You're
all sound and fury, signifying nothing. You're like that joke: "Wanna
see my quick draw? Wanna see it again?" I think you're lying about
being 61, but it's possible you're just that severely stunted.
.
|
|
|
| User: "duke32" |
|
| Title: Re: God KILLED his SON for one rotten APPLE ! |
03 Sep 2003 07:24:26 AM |
|
|
On 2 Sep 2003 14:51:06 -0700, (JessHC) wrote:
Sure, all he wanted to, but seeing as his *final* choice was hell just
before he died, it didn't do him any good.
It appears to be impossible for you to give a straight answer.
My answer is straight on even as you can't comprehend it.
Nice try. You mean the sound of the vacuum leak in your head? You're
all sound and fury, signifying nothing. You're like that joke: "Wanna
see my quick draw? Wanna see it again?" I think you're lying about
being 61, but it's possible you're just that severely stunted.
What's the matter, jess. You starting to see your position fall
apart. It will fall apart, you know.
duke, American-American
*****
2Cor 5:10 - For we must all appear before the
judgment seat of Christ, that each one may
receive what is due him for the things done
while in the body, whether good or bad.
*****
.
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "JessHC" |
|
| Title: Re: God KILLED his SON for one rotten APPLE ! |
02 Sep 2003 04:59:08 PM |
|
|
duke32 <duke32@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<fml7lvo2eejh26mcvpkad51dv5k2hbirul@4ax.com>...
On 1 Sep 2003 13:44:21 -0700, (JessHC) wrote:
God would know that you chose heaven.
You didn't answer the question. God knows a particular person is
going to choose hell. It is possible for that person to choose
heaven? Yes or no.
Sure, all he wanted to, but seeing as his *final* choice was hell just
before he died, it didn't do him any good.
It's impossible for you to give a straight answer to a simple
question.
With God, nothing is impossible.
He's certainly created a lot of infinite stupidity.
Yes you are.
Ooo, you're almost as clever as my eight year old son. No, wait, I
take that back; you're not nearly as clever as he is. You should be
embarassed, but I doubt you're smart enough.
You son laughs at you behind your back, doesn't he. You're an
embarrassment to him, aren't you.
Nope, he loves and respects me, because I love and respect him. Too
bad the concept is alien to you.
I keep waiting for that intellectual smack down you promised, but
apparently it isn't a high priority for you.
Swoosh - the sound it made when it went right past your head.
Nice try. You mean the sound of the vacuum leak in your head? You're
all sound and fury, signifying nothing. You're like that bad joke:
"Wanna see my quick draw trick? Wanna see it again?" You certainly
don't appear to be 61, although it's possible you really are this
stunted.
.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "Paul Duca" |
|
| Title: Re: God KILLED his SON for one rotten APPLE ! |
09 Sep 2003 11:52:08 PM |
|
|
duke32 wrote:
On 29 Aug 2003 18:35:12 -0700, (Kenny Leong)
wrote:
If you reckon that god didn't make any decisions for you, AND you also
reckon that god knows exactly what decisions you will make....then AT
WHAT STAGE OF YOUR DID GOD KNOW ALL OF YOUR DECISIONS? Was it before
you were physically created? Or after you were physically created?
Before.
If god didn't know what decisions you were going to make BEFORE you
were physically created, then god obviously doesn't know everything
now, does he/she/it?
Except that he does know before, as I said above.
If god knows what decisions you were going to make BEFORE you were
physically created, then obviously you (yes, you...duke32) are a
nutcase.
Sorry, but God says you are wrong.
This is because you (YES..you duke32 you moron) thinks that
god doesn't make any decisions for you. But YET, if god doesn't make
any decisions for you, AND you weren't YET around to make any
decisions, AND god is supposed to know EVERYTHING (even before you
were physically created)....THEN ... how could god know all your
decisions before you were even there to make them...and YET you
believe that god knows everything, and god knows all of your decisions
in advance? BUT .. you weren't even around to make decisions at the
time that god all-knowingly designed and planned your every mechanical
movement.
God knows everything. Whether you like it or not, he has known for
all time if you are a loser bound for hell. You don't know, of
course, but he does.
With God, nothing is impossible.
See...the problem is that you're a dum dum. But it's ok..there are
many other people like you if that serves as any consolation.
Except that my plans are to go out a winner, and you appear to enjoy
setting yourself up as a loser.
I think "Heaven" is just one cruddy consolation prize for the
non-winners in this world...
Paul
.
|
|
|
| User: "duke32" |
|
| Title: Re: God KILLED his SON for one rotten APPLE ! |
11 Sep 2003 06:59:20 AM |
|
|
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 04:52:08 GMT, Paul Duca
<tomservo56954@comcast.net> wrote:
Except that my plans are to go out a winner, and you appear to enjoy
setting yourself up as a loser.
I think "Heaven" is just one cruddy consolation prize for the
non-winners in this world...
So you believe that those that reject "love one another as God loves
you" are winners?
No thanks, I'll definitely stick with my side.
duke, American-American
*****
2Cor 5:10 - For we must all appear before the
judgment seat of Christ, that each one may
receive what is due him for the things done
while in the body, whether good or bad.
*****
.
|
|
|
| User: "Barry OGrady" |
|
| Title: Re: God KILLED his SON for one rotten APPLE ! |
12 Sep 2003 08:11:27 AM |
|
|
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:59:20 GMT, duke32 <duke32@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 04:52:08 GMT, Paul Duca
<tomservo56954@comcast.net> wrote:
Except that my plans are to go out a winner, and you appear to enjoy
setting yourself up as a loser.
I think "Heaven" is just one cruddy consolation prize for the
non-winners in this world...
Being stuck with God for an eternity would be hell.
So you believe that those that reject "love one another as God loves
you" are winners?
I do. God "loves" us by treating us like dirt.
No thanks, I'll definitely stick with my side.
Have you noticed that you are alone?
duke, American-American
*****
-Barry
========
Web page: http://members.optusnet.com.au/~barry.og
Atheist, radio scanner, LIPD information.
Voicemail/fax number +14136227640
.
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "Kix Adams" |
|
| Title: Re: God KILLED his SON for one rotten APPLE ! |
17 Sep 2003 10:49:32 AM |
|
|
Paul Duca <tomservo56954@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<3F5EAE27.5B391A49@comcast.net>...
I think "Heaven" is just one cruddy consolation prize for the
non-winners in > this world...
What, may I ask, do you believe makes someone a winner?
.
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "Kenny Leong" |
|
| Title: Re: God KILLED his SON for one rotten APPLE ! |
27 Aug 2003 06:40:38 PM |
|
|
soCode <news@socode.com> wrote in message news:<biib2q$8sp$1@ngspool-d02.news.aol.com>...
duke32 wrote:
YOU don't know your final decision, but God does.
And since the outcome is known, it is only an illusion
of a decision.
soCode
I told you duke32 was a dumdum. Duke32 doesn't understand that god's
product (humans etc) cannot make any decisions by itself BECAUSE god
all-knowingly designed and planned every single mechanical action for
the product before that product even existed physically.
Hence, all the product's actions are EXACTLY god's OWN ACTIONS -
because everything single movement was chosen in advance by 'god'
BEFORE the product even physically existed.
Hence, duke32 is too much of a dumdum to realise that the product
never even gets a chance to make its own decisions during the
product's physical existence.....because god chose every mechanical
movement in advance, with FULL KNOWLEDGE.
Duke32 never dares to answer my question....which goes like this... If
god already knows what the future does BEFORE the product even exists
physically, and before the product can even make its own decisions,
then how could that product have any freedom to do anything DIFFERENT
than what god CHOSE for that product's mechanical movements?
Of course, this is all way over duke32's head, as simple as the
situation really is.
Kenny L.
.
|
|
|
|
|
Related Articles |
|
|
