On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 17:45:19 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>
wrote:

"Learn out to elloquate"? Hmm, I find elocution, eloquence, and
eloquent, but no "elloquate." How does one "out to elloquate," so the
more intelligent can understand what you're talking about?

Hahahahahahahaha.

So true.

It's my invention, I like it, I use it a lot, and all my friends laugh
at it also.

Nice way to try to cover up your fuckup.

Sorry, very much a personal invention of mine. It brings out a lot of
laughs amongst friends.

You do have friends, don't you robin.

On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 17:45:19 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>
wrote:

"Learn out to elloquate"? Hmm, I find elocution, eloquence, and
eloquent, but no "elloquate." How does one "out to elloquate," so the
more intelligent can understand what you're talking about?

Hahahahahahahaha.

So true.

It's my invention, I like it, I use it a lot, and all my friends laugh
at it also.

Nice way to try to cover up your fuckup.

Sorry, very much a personal invention of mine. It brings out a lot of
laughs amongst friends.
duke, American-American

On 8 Sep 2003 19:30:05 -0700,

"Learn out to elloquate"? Hmm, I find elocution, eloquence, and
eloquent, but no "elloquate." How does one "out to elloquate," so the
more intelligent can understand what you're talking about?

Hahahahahahahaha.

So true.

It's my invention, I like it, I use it a lot, and all my friends laugh
at it also.

On 8 Sep 2003 19:30:05 -0700,

"Learn out to elloquate"? Hmm, I find elocution, eloquence, and
eloquent, but no "elloquate." How does one "out to elloquate," so the
more intelligent can understand what you're talking about?

Hahahahahahahaha.

So true.

It's my invention, I like it, I use it a lot, and all my friends laugh
at it also.

duke, American-American

On 6 Sep 2003 12:54:46 -0700,

Punished where? He gave them exactly what they wanted. To be as
gods. Then they could make life as rich and enjoyable as they wanted
it to be. He made them like you and me, or better yet, he made you
and me like them. We too are gods like A&E.

Read exact quotes from your fairytale booklet dukey, you lying vermin.

""God came into the garden that evening and finding Adam and Eve
hiding, made them tell Him what they had done. He sternly explained to
them what they now faced. They must leave the beautiful garden forever
and go out into the world where they must work long and hard to make
the land produce enough to keep them alive. They would have children,
but both they and their children would always know their hardship and
sadness. And God's words proved to be only too true.

Oh, so you think that being forced to live life like you and I, as
ordinary people, is punishment. Yeah, well I can agree with you on
that. I thought you meant like real punishment, like fire and
brimestone stuff.

Punished where? He gave them exactly what they wanted. To be as
gods. Then they could make life as rich and enjoyable as they wanted
it to be. He made them like you and me, or better yet, he made you
and me like them. We too are gods like A&E.

On 6 Sep 2003 12:54:46 -0700,

Punished where? He gave them exactly what they wanted. To be as
gods. Then they could make life as rich and enjoyable as they wanted
it to be. He made them like you and me, or better yet, he made you
and me like them. We too are gods like A&E.

Read exact quotes from your fairytale booklet dukey, you lying vermin.

""God came into the garden that evening and finding Adam and Eve
hiding, made them tell Him what they had done. He sternly explained to
them what they now faced. They must leave the beautiful garden forever
and go out into the world where they must work long and hard to make
the land produce enough to keep them alive. They would have children,
but both they and their children would always know their hardship and
sadness. And God's words proved to be only too true.

Oh, so you think that being forced to live life like you and I, as
ordinary people, is punishment. Yeah, well I can agree with you on
that. I thought you meant like real punishment, like fire and
brimestone stuff.

You really need to learn out to elloquate, you know, speak up and
speak out so the more intelligent around you understand your minor
points.

God punished Cain severely, but He did not kill him. He protected Cain
from death at the hand of any man and Cain lived to found a family of
his own.""
You do recognise the word 'punished' in the exact quote from your
fairytale booklet right, you total moron. And you asked 'punished
where?'. You're a lying little vermin aren't you dukey?

Yeah, but what you mean is to live life as a normal human being.
Sure, I can agree with you on that - heaven forbid having to live life
like you and me.

Hahahahahahahaha.

duke32 <duke32@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<u33clvghp45vi6smna86ca0ra8tlq6etsd@4ax.com>...

I'll do you one better. I know what the Church that Christ founded
says - God does not interfere with our free will.

duke, American-American

Well, you've just outdone yourself dukey. You've outdone yourself to
show what an idiot you really are.

You have a thinking disability dukey.

God does not interfere with people's free-will you say dukey? Nonsense
dukey. If god doesn't interfere with people's free-will, then go ahead
to explain why your fairytale booklet tells you that your god
'punished' adam and eve for the rest of their lives, and why your god
'punished' the world by drowning everybody with 40 days and 40 nights
of The Perfect Storm.

Also, please explain to us how the following passages ended up in your
fairytale booklet, which tells you clearly that your chose every
single one of your steps/actions.

"The steps of a man are established by the LORD"
Psalm37:23

"Man's steps are ordained by the LORD"
Proverbs20:24

GAME OVER for you dukey ol boy. You lost right from the beginning, and
you still don't know it hehe. How embarrassing for you.

Kenny L.

On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 01:12:56 +1000, Barry OGrady
<god_freee_jones@hotmail.com> wrote:

It's all theoretical anyway, since the future is not known, but I can't see how
knowing the future makes a choice not possible. Surely knowing how someone
will choose does not mean they didn't choose.

dougidiot does not understand this, and now he suckered leong into it
also.


duke, American-American

On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 01:12:56 +1000, Barry OGrady
<god_freee_jones@hotmail.com> wrote:

It's all theoretical anyway, since the future is not known, but I can't see how
knowing the future makes a choice not possible. Surely knowing how someone
will choose does not mean they didn't choose.

dougidiot does not understand this, and now he suckered leong into it
also.

At some point in the past, duke32 <duke32@earthlink.net> slavered, and
posted this:

On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 01:16:18 -0400, "Doug Semler"
<doug_semler@REMOVEMEwideopenwest.com> wrote:

YOU don't know your final decision, but God does. However, God is
not the one that has to make the decision, but YOU.
What will be your final decision? Remember, you have to make one.
Silence is the same as a profession of no belief in God, a sure free
ticket on the downtown train.

This makes no sense. Since your god already knows what my decision
will be, then there is no point to my mortal existence.

You're here because of your parents freely made choice to procreate.

So? That doesn't answer the points I made. Since your god already knows
what my final decision is going to be, there is NO point for my mortal
existence, as he already KNOWS whether I am going to be going on the
downtown train or not.

You're a human being because God said that human beings would
procreate human beings and not lizards.

Of course. Your statement is silly. DNA compatibility determines what a
species is able to produce as offspring.

And you still have your final freely made choice to make.

To which your god already knows the answer. Which means there is no need
for a judge, because your god already knows whether I will choose or reject.
Which means it is predestined to which location (heaven or hell) I am going.
Which means I do not have free will, but the illusion of free will.
Remember, I cannot surprise your god.

Remember, your final freely made decision to accept or reject God
cannot be different from your final freely made decision.

Yet you didn't address any of my points. There is no need for a judgement
(Jesus). There
is no need for the sacrifice of Jesus to save me. Since it is known by your
god that I am going to get the "free ticket on the downtown train," his
knowledge is now predetermination of my course. I therefore have no free
will; I cannot change the course of future events (whether I go to heaven or
hell).

duke32 wrote:

YOU don't know your final decision, but God does.

And since the outcome is known, it is only an illusion
of a decision.

soCode

duke32 wrote:

YOU don't know your final decision, but God does.

And since the outcome is known, it is only an illusion
of a decision.