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"Rod" |
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31 May 2007 08:17:24 AM |
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Re: God's Amazing Love |
wrote:
In <135sbh65gdhg8d5@corp.supernews.com>, on 05/30/07
at 09:08 PM, Rod <kc0oeb@cableone.net> queried the world with the
following:
BTW Rod, we need to trim these headers.
Done.
It is on topic across the board,
but current accepted norm seems to be three nowadays. Some clients will
not even post to over three groups. I am still in the Baptist group, &
if find me you must, the atheism news group, that would be alt.atheism
to you.
wrote:
In <pirh53tcaqnn1e5d42mm04q01tkoof4c9c@4ax.com>, on 05/26/07
at 07:35 PM, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com> decided to remove any
I've got a couple of questions for you, first..do you travel in
or know of any reputable bible scholars ? If so, what is the
general concensus on the translations of Matthew 19:18
I know of biblical scholars, but no, I've not had the need to refer to
or bother any of them yet. Just a moment. Nothing on the net but
apologetics, but I do have a reference to a Jarl E. Fossum at Ann Arbor,
dated 1999. Being you want to start in the NT instead of the base
document, Can't help you much I fear. Mind you, I know nothing about the
person, so you are on your own. My suggestion, find a local uni or
college that has a fulltime professor of ancient languages, preferably
one that is professional & reads what is there. Bit like one of the
people that falsified the claim for the ossuary of the *brother of
Jesus* flap. Her/his quote, as much as I want this to be real, it isn't.
Okay. I've sent off another inquiry to couple of guys I know that
teach at KU, they may be able to help some or not.
Mat 19:18
(AOV) Hy vra Hom: Watter? En Jesus sê dit: Jy mag nie doodslaan nie,
jy mag nie egbreek nie, jy mag nie steel nie, jy mag geen valse
getuienis gee nie;
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(KJV) He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder,
Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not
bear false witness,
My only access to the NT is the KJV, it is in use world wide, & I like
the language.
snip
versus the thou shalt not kill verses;
Exo 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
Deu 5:17 Thou shalt not kill.
Mat 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said to them of old time, Thou
shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the
judgment:
Mat 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not
kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt
not bear false witness,
Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not
kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not covet, and if there be any
other commandment, it is summed up in this word, namely, Thou shalt
love thy neighbor as thyself.
Romans is not exactly the word of the lad, now is it.
I only know a little of the true history, from some questionable
sources. The net is full of them.
Are these accurate translations from ancient greek, and if so, which
ones are accurate ?
First of all, none of them are real accurate, transliteration is the
best that can be done.
Exodus & Deut. should be read [if you can or know someone that can] two
ways, first the text itself [in the Hebrew of which we have no accurate
biblical translations, more on that if you wish, but modern Hebrew is
from around 600 Gregorian], then the historical circumstances of those
texts. Don't worry about them being lies [historically they are], Once
you get past that, try & understand why they were written in the first
place. Like me, you may come to the conclusion, given the parallels with
other societies & such, that it is the matrix which bound the elites of
Judaic society together, & permitted them to form the Judaic history as
claimed in the OT. Once I got past that, the OT made sense, still
inaccurate & a spiritual mess, but it made sense. If you can do that,
you may want to drop the conversation, or else you may become the second
honest Christian I know, one that can say, in spite of the evidence, I
believe. HTH
Thanks, I appreciate it !
Rod
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| Title: Re: God's Amazing Love |
31 May 2007 09:51:27 AM |
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In <135timfiemnnd23@corp.supernews.com>, on 05/31/07
at 08:17 AM, Rod <kc0oeb@cableone.net> said:
walksalone@dastardly.dirty.deeds.done.dirt.ceap wrote:
In <135sbh65gdhg8d5@corp.supernews.com>, on 05/30/07
at 09:08 PM, Rod <kc0oeb@cableone.net> queried the world with the
following:
BTW Rod, we need to trim these headers.
Done.
If my fellow atheists don't raise hell, we will leave it in. If they do,
it's gone. I doubt they will.
walksalone@dastardly.dirty.deeds.done.dirt.ceap wrote:
In <pirh53tcaqnn1e5d42mm04q01tkoof4c9c@4ax.com>, on 05/26/07
at 07:35 PM, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com> decided to remove any
snip
person, so you are on your own. My suggestion, find a local uni or
college that has a fulltime professor of ancient languages, preferably
one that is professional & reads what is there. Bit like one of the
people that falsified the claim for the ossuary of the *brother of
Jesus* flap. Her/his quote, as much as I want this to be real, it isn't.
Okay. I've sent off another inquiry to couple of guys I know that
teach at KU, they may be able to help some or not.
Sometimes, just knowing who & what to ask is a delight, when you find
out you asked the 64000 dollar question.
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Exo 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
Deu 5:17 Thou shalt not kill.
Mat 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said to them of old time, Thou
shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the
judgment:
Isn't it odd, the above three passages are always without the unspoken,
unless I tell you to? Not to mention, they are a basic requirement for
civil conduct & societies that want to last.
Mat 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not
kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt
not bear false witness,
Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not
kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not covet, and if there be any
other commandment, it is summed up in this word, namely, Thou shalt
love thy neighbor as thyself.
Romans is not exactly the word of the lad, now is it.
I only know a little of the true history, from some questionable
sources. The net is full of them.
When it comes to the net, if they do not include a bibliography list, or
one that uses apologetic sources, I don't bother. If the author wants my
attention, , they have to earn it. Not that much left on the fuse,
certainly not enough to waste of dreamers wishes.
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Exodus & Deut. should be read [if you can or know someone that can] two
ways, first the text itself [in the Hebrew of which we have no accurate
biblical translations, more on that if you wish, but modern Hebrew is
from around 600 Gregorian], then the historical circumstances of those
texts. Don't worry about them being lies [historically they are], Once
you get past that, try & understand why they were written in the first
place. Like me, you may come to the conclusion, given the parallels with
other societies & such, that it is the matrix which bound the elites of
Judaic society together, & permitted them to form the Judaic history as
claimed in the OT. Once I got past that, the OT made sense, still
inaccurate & a spiritual mess, but it made sense. If you can do that,
you may want to drop the conversation, or else you may become the second
honest Christian I know, one that can say, in spite of the evidence, I
believe. HTH
Thanks, I appreciate it !
It's what usenet was meant to be, the exchange of information & ideas.
Rod
walksalone who is of to trivial & unimportant things, that still need to
be done.
"The past was erased, the erasure was forgotten, the lie becane truth".
-- George Orwell, *1984*
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| Title: The rest of the story aka Re: God's Amazing Love |
01 Jun 2007 07:51:04 AM |
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Rod, I may be jumping the gun a little bit here are going in a direction
you did not want to go in. If so, let me know. They is my contention
that until he had examined the entire story, you really cannot
understand the plot line. And so I always began at the beginning as
best it can be found.
Abraham's ancestry
As every story has a beginning, so does the Christian mythology. The
validity of the beginning is in serious doubt for a multitude of
reasons. Let us begin the story with the patriarch of the revealed gods
of the desert. Of course, he did not spring full-grown from nowhere and
this is his genealogy, pretty much verbatim. Supposedly he descended
from the elder line of the sons of Noah, Shem to be exact.
Shem begot Arpachshad two years after the Deluge. Arpachshad begot
Shelah at the age of thirty-five. Shelah begot Eber at the age of
thirty. Eber begot Peleg at the age of thirty-four. Peleg begot Reu at
the age of thirty. Reu begot Serug at the age of thirty-two. Serug begot
Nahor the First at the age of thirty. Nahor begot Terah at the age of
twenty-nine. Terah begot Abram, Nahor the Second, and Haran at the age
of seventy. [Genesis xx. 10-32; xx. 12]
Each of the patriarchs names has been identified with either places or
at the groups known from historical documents. This introduces the
probability that they are mythological residue, that is to say,
recollections of ancient traditions about ancestorial wanderings.
Josephus refers to Arpachshad as the ancestor of the Chaldeans, when he
may be a reference to the land of Arrapkha, and when shad is added to
the name, it becomes the mountains of Arrapkha. Shelah, is linked to a
deity based on the name Methuselah, which translates to Man of Shelah.
Eber may be associated with several different regions of which the
Hebrew and Assyrian sources described as the land beyond the river [eber
hannahar]. Peleg is a city located in the middle Euphrates region and
mentioned in the Mari letters. Ru is found in the same documents as a
personal name, they can be associated with the city of Rakhllu. Serug
was a city called Saugi, located between Harran Carchemish. Nahor, well
there is the city called Nakhuru, aka Til Nakhiri, found in documents
from the 18th to the 12th centuries pre-Gregorian. Terah, associated
with the city of Terah, aka til Turahi, which flourished during the 19th
century pre-Gregorian. It is documented in Assyrian inscriptions and
also was located near Harran.
Because this is a usenet post, this will suffice for the moment. This
also just the beginning.
You may want to save some of these, it helps cut the baloney peddled by
people that don't know what they're talking about. You also might find
an error or three in them, and I will need to correct the documentation.
Possibly even to reconsider a point.
If you need assistance in finding the sources, feel free to ask and
provide an e-mail address. Everything I post is from readily available
sources, even if you have to wait for your librarian to get it for you.
There are a few books I use that I recommend you that let the library
and get for you due to their cost. Education can be expensive.
walksalone who does recall the days of was it going to be beans or
books, and now, that is not a problem. Now if the damn things just
weren't so expensive.
The relapse is worse than the final fever.
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