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27 Jul 2003 12:04:55 AM |
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"Nakas" <nakas@comcast.net> wrote
[---partisan propaganda snipped--]
Oops, sorry, the court heard both sides and Jeb
Bush agreed to a settlement rather than allow the
judge to dictate a remedy.
It a court-certified fact that 50,000 (mostly) black
voters were denied their right to vote in Florida.
Unless you can come up with some rationalization
that accounts for this undeniable fact, you're running
on empty... as per usual.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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27 Jul 2003 10:48:50 AM |
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JTEM wrote:
"Nakas" <nakas@comcast.net> wrote
[---partisan propaganda snipped--]
Oops, sorry, the court heard both sides and Jeb
Bush agreed to a settlement rather than allow the
judge to dictate a remedy.
It a court-certified fact that 50,000 (mostly) black
voters were denied their right to vote in Florida.
Unless you can come up with some rationalization
that accounts for this undeniable fact, you're running
on empty... as per usual.
They were convicted felons.
--
Fred Stone
Conquering the Galaxy since 2003
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27 Jul 2003 01:34:59 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
Unless you can come up with some rationalization
that accounts for this undeniable fact, you're running
on empty... as per usual.
They were convicted felons.
Lie.
They were thrown off as part of a "program" that began
under the pretenses of targeting "convicted felons," but
these were not convicted felons. In fact, there is no
evidence to support the claim that any of the targeted
"convicted felons" were even in Florida at the time.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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27 Jul 2003 07:16:49 PM |
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JTEM wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
Unless you can come up with some rationalization
that accounts for this undeniable fact, you're running
on empty... as per usual.
They were convicted felons.
Lie.
Not a lie.
They were thrown off as part of a "program" that began
under the pretenses of targeting "convicted felons," but
these were not convicted felons. In fact, there is no
evidence to support the claim that any of the targeted
"convicted felons" were even in Florida at the time.
The scare quotes don't change anything. They were thrown off because
they were on a list of convicted felons. Your Red Herring about their
location at the time is duly noted.
--
Fred Stone
Conquering the Galaxy since 2003
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| User: "JTEM" |
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27 Jul 2003 11:01:31 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
The scare quotes don't change anything. They were thrown
off because they were on a list of convicted felons.
You're lying, Fred. You're intentionally misrepresenting the facts.
The reason the NAACP sued is precisely because the state of
Florida placed people on a "list of felons" who were not felons.
The state of Florida used a complicated grading system to
determine if a voter was a convicted felon. That grading system
assured the state of Florida -- beyond a shadow of a doubt -- that
many thousands of innocent voters would be denied their right to
vote.
What you're supposed to be claiming -- as a partisan Bushbot --
is that the whole thing was a big mistake and nobody intended
for it to happen like it did. Then you're supposed to ignore any
& every question about why Bush had to be sued before agreeing
to restore the disenfranchised voters, and why a year after the
fact they still weren't on the voter lists.
Your Red Herring about their location at the time is duly noted.
You're lying, again. There is no evidence that any of the supposed
"convicted felons" were in the state of Florida at the time of the
election.
Someone else has already posted cites, Fred, and you know that
you're lying.
Cut the *****, *****.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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28 Jul 2003 08:06:09 AM |
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JTEM wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
The scare quotes don't change anything. They were thrown
off because they were on a list of convicted felons.
You're lying, Fred. You're intentionally misrepresenting the facts.
See this mirror?
The reason the NAACP sued is precisely because the state of
Florida placed people on a "list of felons" who were not felons.
The state of Florida used a complicated grading system to
determine if a voter was a convicted felon.
Oh spare me. The "complicated grading system" was a match between the
voter list and the convict list. Name, address, other information.
Nothing that would boggle the mind of any programmer who ever did a
search for a proper name out of a list. Proper name matches get
complicated.
That grading system
assured the state of Florida -- beyond a shadow of a doubt -- that
many thousands of innocent voters would be denied their right to
vote.
That's an estimate, not a count. There's nothing "beyond doubt" about it.
What you're supposed to be claiming -- as a partisan Bushbot --
is that the whole thing was a big mistake and nobody intended
for it to happen like it did. Then you're supposed to ignore any
& every question about why Bush had to be sued before agreeing
to restore the disenfranchised voters, and why a year after the
fact they still weren't on the voter lists.
Governor Jeb Bush agreed to restore those who were wrongly removed from
the registration list.
Your Red Herring about their location at the time is duly noted.
You're lying, again.
Get real. Where they actually were at the time of the election has
nothing to do with anything.
There is no evidence that any of the supposed
"convicted felons" were in the state of Florida at the time of the
election.
So what?
Someone else has already posted cites, Fred, and you know that
you're lying.
Cut the *****, *****.
Here, just bite down, JTEM.
--
Fred Stone
Conquering the Galaxy since 2003
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| User: "JTEM" |
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28 Jul 2003 11:46:08 AM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
See this mirror?
No, Fred. No I don't.
Oh spare me. The "complicated grading system" was a
match between the voter list and the convict list.
Um, Fred, if there was a "Match" it wouldn't have resulted
in 50,000 innocent people being denied their right to vote.
That's the point, Fred. If they were "Matching" people with
a list of felons then there wouldn't have been a lawsuit, and
Bush wouldn't have agreed to a settle to avoid a remedy
imposed by a judge.
It's one thing for you to argue what the "Intentions" were, it's
quite another to argue the facts more than a year after the
facts were established in court.
You can pretend it was all a big "Mistake," that brother Jeb
didn't mean to toss all those Democratic-voting black people
off the voter rolls, and then ignore how the man had to be
sued before agreeing to put them back on. You can do that,
Fred, but you can't pretend that voters were "Matched" by
an objectively-determined list of felons.
Not at this point, trolly, not more than a year after it was
proven in court that that wasn't the case.
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| User: "Nakas" |
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28 Jul 2003 02:12:09 PM |
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"JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:i4GcnUCIQoJaz7iiXTWJjQ@comcast.com...
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
See this mirror?
No, Fred. No I don't.
Oh spare me. The "complicated grading system" was a
match between the voter list and the convict list.
Um, Fred, if there was a "Match" it wouldn't have resulted
in 50,000 innocent people being denied their right to vote.
That's the point, Fred. If they were "Matching" people with
a list of felons then there wouldn't have been a lawsuit, and
Bush wouldn't have agreed to a settle to avoid a remedy
imposed by a judge.
It's one thing for you to argue what the "Intentions" were, it's
quite another to argue the facts more than a year after the
facts were established in court.
You can pretend it was all a big "Mistake," that brother Jeb
didn't mean to toss all those Democratic-voting black people
off the voter rolls, and then ignore how the man had to be
sued before agreeing to put them back on. You can do that,
Fred, but you can't pretend that voters were "Matched" by
an objectively-determined list of felons.
Not at this point, trolly, not more than a year after it was
proven in court that that wasn't the case.
Spare us your guesses and questionable interpretations.. give proof or shut
up about it.
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| User: "Nakas" |
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28 Jul 2003 02:16:28 PM |
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That's the point, Fred. If they were "Matching" people with
a list of felons then there wouldn't have been a lawsuit, and
Bush wouldn't have agreed to a settle to avoid a remedy
imposed by a judge.
<snip>
Not at this point, trolly, not more than a year after it was
proven in court that that wasn't the case.
JTEM, first you say it was settled, then you say it was proven in court.
Which is it?
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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28 Jul 2003 12:38:27 PM |
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JTEM wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
See this mirror?
No, Fred. No I don't.
Oh spare me. The "complicated grading system" was a
match between the voter list and the convict list.
Um, Fred, if there was a "Match" it wouldn't have resulted
in 50,000 innocent people being denied their right to vote.
It didn't.
That's the point, Fred. If they were "Matching" people with
a list of felons then there wouldn't have been a lawsuit
They were, and there was.
, and
Bush wouldn't have agreed to a settle to avoid a remedy
imposed by a judge.
It doesn't follow that Bush was guilty of deliberately manipulating the
lists to get the result obtained.
It's one thing for you to argue what the "Intentions" were, it's
quite another to argue the facts more than a year after the
facts were established in court.
The fact is that it was a matching program.
You can pretend it was all a big "Mistake," that brother Jeb
didn't mean to toss all those Democratic-voting black people
off the voter rolls, and then ignore how the man had to be
sued before agreeing to put them back on. You can do that,
Fred, but you can't pretend that voters were "Matched" by
an objectively-determined list of felons.
I don't have to pretend. The fact, established in court, is that it was
a match between the voter rolls against a list of felons.
Not at this point, trolly, not more than a year after it was
proven in court that that wasn't the case.
Nothing of the sort was ever proved in court.
--
Fred Stone
Conquering the Galaxy since 2003
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| User: "JTEM" |
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28 Jul 2003 01:44:10 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
JTEM wrote:
Um, Fred, if there was a "Match" it wouldn't have resulted
in 50,000 innocent people being denied their right to vote.
It didn't.
Um, panty stain, you can't expect anyone to take you serious, not
more than a year after the facts have been established in court.
There's no sense in arguing against reality (though that has never
once stopped you trolls).
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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28 Jul 2003 01:57:24 PM |
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JTEM wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
JTEM wrote:
Um, Fred, if there was a "Match" it wouldn't have resulted
in 50,000 innocent people being denied their right to vote.
It didn't.
Um, panty stain, you can't expect anyone to take you serious, not
more than a year after the facts have been established in court.
You keep bellowing about "facts" that have *not* been established in any
court.
There's no sense in arguing against reality
Then why do you keep trying?
(though that has never
once stopped you trolls).
You should know, troll.
--
Fred Stone
Conquering the Galaxy since 2003
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| User: "JTEM" |
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28 Jul 2003 02:55:14 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
Then [...]
Yeah, whatever, "Fred."
The case is closed. The evidence was heard and the
NAACP won. Jeb Bush signed a settlement rather
than wait for the judge to impose a remedy.
It's all over & done with, you worthless troll, and it
was you racists who lost.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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28 Jul 2003 06:02:10 PM |
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JTEM wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
Then [...]
Yeah...
It's always nice when you concede so gracefully, JTEM. :-)
--
Fred Stone
Conquering the Galaxy since 2003
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| User: "Nakas" |
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28 Jul 2003 09:07:48 PM |
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"Rob Blade" <jaytem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:PhGdnQ4lHYv4L7iiXTWJkQ@comcast.com...
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
It's always [...]
So, has anyone ever met this "Fred"?
Myself, despite all the overt racism, I've always pictured
him as "Black."
Sort of the African-American equivalent of the rabid homophobe
that turns up at the local gay bar.
That has got to be one of the most offensive things I've heard in this
newsgroup yet.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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28 Jul 2003 09:47:24 PM |
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"Nakas" <nakas@comcast.net> wrote
That has got to be one of the most offensive things I've
heard in this newsgroup yet.
It was a win-win situation.
Either I nailed that sucker square on the head, or I got under
his skin deeper than that infection he picked up at his last
family reunion.
After all, nothing pisses off a racists more than telling them
they come across as black.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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28 Jul 2003 09:56:16 PM |
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JTEM wrote:
"Nakas" <nakas@comcast.net> wrote
That has got to be one of the most offensive things I've
heard in this newsgroup yet.
It was a win-win situation.
Either I nailed that sucker square on the head, or I got under
his skin deeper than that infection he picked up at his last
family reunion.
After all, nothing pisses off a racists more than telling them
they come across as black.
Ah, so that's what the "overt racism" is. Kicking your ***** all around
the block on USENET.
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Fred Stone
Conquering the Galaxy since 2003
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| User: "JTEM" |
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28 Jul 2003 10:36:35 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
Ah, so that's what the "overt racism" is.
What, you're only now reading your posts?
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28 Jul 2003 09:43:18 PM |
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Nakas wrote:
"Rob Blade" <jaytem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:PhGdnQ4lHYv4L7iiXTWJkQ@comcast.com...
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
It's always [...]
So, has anyone ever met this "Fred"?
Myself, despite all the overt racism, I've always pictured
him as "Black."
Sort of the African-American equivalent of the rabid homophobe
that turns up at the local gay bar.
That has got to be one of the most offensive things I've heard in this
newsgroup yet.
I bet I can get him to top it. Uncle Stonewall never fails. :-)
--
Fred Stone
Conquering the Galaxy since 2003
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28 Jul 2003 07:31:51 PM |
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Rob Blade wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
It's always [...]
So, has anyone ever met this "Fred"?
That's my name, "Rob".
Myself, despite all the overt racism, I've always pictured
him as "Black."
What overt racism? Where have I said anything derogatory about race in
anything that I've posted?
The most you can accuse me of is arguing some issues that some blacks
might disagree with me on. Sorry, "Jesse", but that isn't racism.
Sort of the African-American equivalent of the rabid homophobe
that turns up at the local gay bar.
I'm a white old hippie longhair. Grayhair any more. My morals are pretty
low but racism is beneath even my feeble contempt.
How racist are you? Do I have to apologize for my ggggreat-uncle Stonewall?
--
Fred Stone
Conquering the Galaxy since 2003
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28 Jul 2003 09:42:13 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
I'm a white old hippie longhair.
Yeah, sure. Whatever you say.
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28 Jul 2003 12:49:43 PM |
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Nakas wrote:
"JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ZYCcnfnoeYcPArmiXTWJkQ@comcast.com...
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
The scare quotes don't change anything. They were thrown
off because they were on a list of convicted felons.
You're lying, Fred. You're intentionally misrepresenting the facts.
The reason the NAACP sued is precisely because the state of
Florida placed people on a "list of felons" who were not felons.
The state of Florida used a complicated grading system to
determine if a voter was a convicted felon. That grading system
assured the state of Florida -- beyond a shadow of a doubt -- that
many thousands of innocent voters would be denied their right to
vote.
What you're supposed to be claiming -- as a partisan Bushbot --
is that the whole thing was a big mistake and nobody intended
for it to happen like it did. Then you're supposed to ignore any
& every question about why Bush had to be sued before agreeing
to restore the disenfranchised voters, and why a year after the
fact they still weren't on the voter lists.
Your Red Herring about their location at the time is duly noted.
You're lying, again. There is no evidence that any of the supposed
"convicted felons" were in the state of Florida at the time of the
election.
Someone else has already posted cites, Fred, and you know that
you're lying.
Cut the *****, *****.
Post the sites again. Don't give one of those radical anti-war sites,
they
make ***** up, like you did about Rumsfeld. Give an credible and unbiased
site, or one close to it.
Sure:
http://dir.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/12/04/voter_file/index.html
--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
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28 Jul 2003 09:04:43 PM |
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"Kevin Anthoney" <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3f2564c5$0$11386$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com...
Nakas wrote:
"JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ZYCcnfnoeYcPArmiXTWJkQ@comcast.com...
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
The scare quotes don't change anything. They were thrown
off because they were on a list of convicted felons.
You're lying, Fred. You're intentionally misrepresenting the facts.
The reason the NAACP sued is precisely because the state of
Florida placed people on a "list of felons" who were not felons.
The state of Florida used a complicated grading system to
determine if a voter was a convicted felon. That grading system
assured the state of Florida -- beyond a shadow of a doubt -- that
many thousands of innocent voters would be denied their right to
vote.
What you're supposed to be claiming -- as a partisan Bushbot --
is that the whole thing was a big mistake and nobody intended
for it to happen like it did. Then you're supposed to ignore any
& every question about why Bush had to be sued before agreeing
to restore the disenfranchised voters, and why a year after the
fact they still weren't on the voter lists.
Your Red Herring about their location at the time is duly noted.
You're lying, again. There is no evidence that any of the supposed
"convicted felons" were in the state of Florida at the time of the
election.
Someone else has already posted cites, Fred, and you know that
you're lying.
Cut the *****, *****.
Post the sites again. Don't give one of those radical anti-war sites,
they
make ***** up, like you did about Rumsfeld. Give an credible and
unbiased
site, or one close to it.
Sure:
http://dir.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/12/04/voter_file/index.html
Thanks, that's a really good site.
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27 Jul 2003 11:28:50 AM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
JTEM wrote:
"Nakas" <nakas@comcast.net> wrote
[---partisan propaganda snipped--]
Oops, sorry, the court heard both sides and Jeb
Bush agreed to a settlement rather than allow the
judge to dictate a remedy.
It a court-certified fact that 50,000 (mostly) black
voters were denied their right to vote in Florida.
Unless you can come up with some rationalization
that accounts for this undeniable fact, you're running
on empty... as per usual.
They were convicted felons.
Yeah. There's a sample of them in _The Best Democracy Money Can Buy_, by
Greg Palast. They include:
* Thomas Cooper, who committed his crime on 30th January 2007;
* Johnny Jackson, whose date of birth matched John Fitzgerald Jackson, a
convicted felon in Texas. Johnny Jackson has never been to Texas, and his
middle name is not Fitzgerald;
* Wallace McDonald, who was busted in 1959 for falling asleep at a bus stop.
He didn't lose his right to vote until he got "scrubbed" this time around;
* Willie Dixon, who was convicted decades ago, but has since received full
executive clemency;
* Randall J Higginbotham (born 8/28/1960) is apparently the same guy as
convicted felon Sean David Higginbotham, born 6/16/1971.
The sample size was 23 (one Excel screenshot) which Palast says he picked at
random.
--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
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27 Jul 2003 01:37:03 PM |
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"Kevin Anthoney" <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote
* Thomas Cooper, who committed his crime on 30th January 2007;
You'll have to forgive Fred. His art is trolling, and lying is the
paint on his brush.
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27 Jul 2003 12:03:36 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 17:28:50 +0100, Kevin Anthoney wrote:
* Thomas Cooper, who committed his crime on 30th January 2007;
Wow. That's amazing.
Reminds me of this job description I saw recently where one of the
absolutely definite requirements was that you be able to start in
mid-July...
--
Mark K. Bilbo #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
________________________________________________________________
"...lying is central to the survival of nations and to the
success of great enterprises, because if our enemies can
count on the reliability of everything you say, your
vulnerability is enormously increased."
- Michael Ledeen, neo-con leader
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