Religions > Atheism > Re: GOP Warns TV Stations Not to Air Ad Alleging Bush Mislead the Nation Over Iraq
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26 Jul 2003 03:27:22 AM |
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Re: GOP Warns TV Stations Not to Air Ad Alleging Bush Mislead the Nation Over Iraq |
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.07.26.00.20.41.96649@eac.org...
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 23:50:19 +0000, Nakas wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.07.25.22.07.00.66775@eac.org...
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 20:22:10 +0000, Nakas wrote:
"William Klee" <fnord2k@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:250720031243399675%fnord2k@yahoo.com...
In article <8YcUa.145094$Ph3.18366@sccrnsc04>, Nakas
<nakas@comcast.net>
wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.07.25.15.16.43.792077@eac.org...
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 07:56:12 +0000, Nakas wrote:
"JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:mRSdnQlHW8-QQ72iXTWJjw@comcast.com...
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote
Interesting, too, that our own experts threw up there hands
and
left,
unable to find a damn thing...
One must find hope during these trying times... hope that
Rumsfeld chooses a spot to plant some WMDs soon.
Why don't just just pick up a gun and start shooting at are
troops
if
you
hate America so much?
*****. You.
Not liking--even hating--any particular administration is *NOT*
the
same
thing as hating the country. In fact, if you believe--as I
happen
to--that
the current powers that be are DESTRUCTIVE to the country, NOT
hating
them
is a betrayal of the country.
I am so FUCKING tired of the attempt by some to stifle criticism
of
the
Bush administration by conflating attitudes toward them with
attitudes toward the country. That's ***** and you KNOW it.
Or did all the Republicans who criticized and even impeached
Clinton
"hate
America?"
No, they had evidence for their accusations. They didn't just pull
it
out
of thin air.
Yeah. Uh huh. Like when the right wing floated things like Clinton had
Vince Foster killed?
He has absolutely no evidence that Rumsfield would ever plant
evidence.
He
So? Rumsfeld != America. Rumsfeld is *1* person. Get that? One
person, not a nation.
completly made it up because he hates our government. I find that
utterly
Oh, another mind-reader. What's the sticker on my monitor say?
mind-reader eh? Why don't you tell me.
traitorous. There's a difference between criticism and slander.
I
haven't
heard someone so willing to slander our country since Baghdad Bob.
Again, in the (probably vain) hope it'll sink in: Rumsfeld !=
America.
try this:
criticise goverment =
patriotic
dissagree with government = patriotic
dissagree
with officer of government = patriotic
fabricate lies about an officer of government != patriotic
*****. Making snide comments on Usenet? Get a grip.
I wasn't being snide. Klee wrote equations in his last 2 posts to me.
Do
you seriously dissagree with what I said?
I meant your "fabricate lies about an officer of government." You act as
if someone making a snide remark about Rummy's untrustworthiness is
conspiracy against the US.
Conspiracy? Did I ever say that? No. I said it was a fabrication and
without a shred of evidence. And to make a fabrication like that against an
officer of this country is, in my opinion, unpatriotic. You may disagree
and argue that he has a right to say it, which of course he does, but I also
have a right to say it's unpatriotic.
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| User: "Nakas" |
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| Title: Re: GOP Warns TV Stations Not to Air Ad Alleging Bush Mislead the Nation Over Iraq |
26 Jul 2003 03:39:08 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.07.26.15.11.52.910541@eac.org...
On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 08:27:22 +0000, Nakas wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.07.26.00.20.41.96649@eac.org...
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 23:50:19 +0000, Nakas wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.07.25.22.07.00.66775@eac.org...
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 20:22:10 +0000, Nakas wrote:
"William Klee" <fnord2k@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:250720031243399675%fnord2k@yahoo.com...
In article <8YcUa.145094$Ph3.18366@sccrnsc04>, Nakas
<nakas@comcast.net>
wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.07.25.15.16.43.792077@eac.org...
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 07:56:12 +0000, Nakas wrote:
"JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:mRSdnQlHW8-QQ72iXTWJjw@comcast.com...
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote
Interesting, too, that our own experts threw up there
hands
and
left,
unable to find a damn thing...
One must find hope during these trying times... hope that
Rumsfeld chooses a spot to plant some WMDs soon.
Why don't just just pick up a gun and start shooting at are
troops
if
you
hate America so much?
*****. You.
Not liking--even hating--any particular administration is
*NOT* the
same
thing as hating the country. In fact, if you believe--as I
happen
to--that
the current powers that be are DESTRUCTIVE to the country,
NOT
hating
them
is a betrayal of the country.
I am so FUCKING tired of the attempt by some to stifle
criticism of
the
Bush administration by conflating attitudes toward them with
attitudes toward the country. That's ***** and you KNOW
it.
Or did all the Republicans who criticized and even impeached
Clinton
"hate
America?"
No, they had evidence for their accusations. They didn't just
pull
it
out
of thin air.
Yeah. Uh huh. Like when the right wing floated things like Clinton
had Vince Foster killed?
He has absolutely no evidence that Rumsfield would ever plant
evidence.
He
So? Rumsfeld != America. Rumsfeld is *1* person. Get that? One
person, not a nation.
completly made it up because he hates our government. I find
that
utterly
Oh, another mind-reader. What's the sticker on my monitor say?
mind-reader eh? Why don't you tell me.
traitorous. There's a difference between criticism and
slander.
I
haven't
heard someone so willing to slander our country since Baghdad
Bob.
Again, in the (probably vain) hope it'll sink in: Rumsfeld !=
America.
try this:
criticise goverment =
patriotic
dissagree with government = patriotic
dissagree
with officer of government = patriotic
fabricate lies about an officer of government != patriotic
*****. Making snide comments on Usenet? Get a grip.
I wasn't being snide. Klee wrote equations in his last 2 posts to
me.
Do
you seriously dissagree with what I said?
I meant your "fabricate lies about an officer of government." You act
as
if someone making a snide remark about Rummy's untrustworthiness is
conspiracy against the US.
Conspiracy? Did I ever say that? No. I said it was a fabrication and
without a shred of evidence. And to make a fabrication like that
against
an officer of this country is, in my opinion, unpatriotic. You may
disagree and argue that he has a right to say it, which of course he
does,
but I also have a right to say it's unpatriotic.
I tired of the right demonizing people for just about every opinion
expressed. It's *****.
Rummy is not the US. Attacking him cannot be "unpatriotic." Not by any
stretch. The charge is merely meant to demonize.
Well I already said why I think it is... I'm not going to repeat it yet
again for you. I notice you're not sticking up for *my* freedom of speech
here.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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26 Jul 2003 03:58:40 PM |
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On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 20:39:08 +0000, Nakas wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.07.26.15.11.52.910541@eac.org...
On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 08:27:22 +0000, Nakas wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.07.26.00.20.41.96649@eac.org...
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 23:50:19 +0000, Nakas wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.07.25.22.07.00.66775@eac.org...
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 20:22:10 +0000, Nakas wrote:
"William Klee" <fnord2k@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:250720031243399675%fnord2k@yahoo.com...
In article <8YcUa.145094$Ph3.18366@sccrnsc04>, Nakas
<nakas@comcast.net>
wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.07.25.15.16.43.792077@eac.org...
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 07:56:12 +0000, Nakas wrote:
"JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:mRSdnQlHW8-QQ72iXTWJjw@comcast.com...
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote
Interesting, too, that our own experts threw up there
hands
and
left,
unable to find a damn thing...
One must find hope during these trying times... hope
that Rumsfeld chooses a spot to plant some WMDs soon.
Why don't just just pick up a gun and start shooting at
are
troops
if
you
hate America so much?
*****. You.
Not liking--even hating--any particular administration is
*NOT* the
same
thing as hating the country. In fact, if you believe--as I
happen
to--that
the current powers that be are DESTRUCTIVE to the country,
NOT
hating
them
is a betrayal of the country.
I am so FUCKING tired of the attempt by some to stifle
criticism of
the
Bush administration by conflating attitudes toward them
with attitudes toward the country. That's ***** and you
KNOW
it.
Or did all the Republicans who criticized and even
impeached
Clinton
"hate
America?"
No, they had evidence for their accusations. They didn't just
pull
it
out
of thin air.
Yeah. Uh huh. Like when the right wing floated things like Clinton
had Vince Foster killed?
He has absolutely no evidence that Rumsfield would ever plant
evidence.
He
So? Rumsfeld != America. Rumsfeld is *1* person. Get that? One
person, not a nation.
completly made it up because he hates our government. I find
that
utterly
Oh, another mind-reader. What's the sticker on my monitor say?
mind-reader eh? Why don't you tell me.
traitorous. There's a difference between criticism and
slander.
I
haven't
heard someone so willing to slander our country since Baghdad
Bob.
Again, in the (probably vain) hope it'll sink in: Rumsfeld !=
America.
try this:
criticise goverment =
patriotic
dissagree with government = patriotic
dissagree
with officer of government = patriotic
fabricate lies about an officer of government != patriotic
*****. Making snide comments on Usenet? Get a grip.
I wasn't being snide. Klee wrote equations in his last 2 posts to
me.
Do
you seriously dissagree with what I said?
I meant your "fabricate lies about an officer of government." You act
as
if someone making a snide remark about Rummy's untrustworthiness is
conspiracy against the US.
Conspiracy? Did I ever say that? No. I said it was a fabrication
and without a shred of evidence. And to make a fabrication like that
against
an officer of this country is, in my opinion, unpatriotic. You may
disagree and argue that he has a right to say it, which of course he
does,
but I also have a right to say it's unpatriotic.
I tired of the right demonizing people for just about every opinion
expressed. It's *****.
Rummy is not the US. Attacking him cannot be "unpatriotic." Not by any
stretch. The charge is merely meant to demonize.
Well I already said why I think it is... I'm not going to repeat it yet
again for you. I notice you're not sticking up for *my* freedom of speech
here.
For your WHAT?
Just how many fundie tactics are you planning on using?
--
Mark K. Bilbo #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
________________________________________________________________
"In order to achieve the most noble accomplishments, the leader
may have to 'enter into evil.' This is the chilling insight
that has made Machiavelli so feared, admired and challenging
we are rotten....It's true that we can achieve greatness if,
and only if, we are properly led."
- Michael Ledeen, neoconservative leader
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26 Jul 2003 03:47:03 AM |
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"Nakas" <nakas@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.07.26.00.20.41.96649@eac.org...
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 23:50:19 +0000, Nakas wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.07.25.22.07.00.66775@eac.org...
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 20:22:10 +0000, Nakas wrote:
"William Klee" <fnord2k@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:250720031243399675%fnord2k@yahoo.com...
In article <8YcUa.145094$Ph3.18366@sccrnsc04>, Nakas
<nakas@comcast.net>
wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.07.25.15.16.43.792077@eac.org...
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 07:56:12 +0000, Nakas wrote:
"JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:mRSdnQlHW8-QQ72iXTWJjw@comcast.com...
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote
Interesting, too, that our own experts threw up there
hands
and
left,
unable to find a damn thing...
One must find hope during these trying times... hope that
Rumsfeld chooses a spot to plant some WMDs soon.
Why don't just just pick up a gun and start shooting at are
troops
if
you
hate America so much?
*****. You.
Not liking--even hating--any particular administration is
*NOT*
the
same
thing as hating the country. In fact, if you believe--as I
happen
to--that
the current powers that be are DESTRUCTIVE to the country, NOT
hating
them
is a betrayal of the country.
I am so FUCKING tired of the attempt by some to stifle
criticism
of
the
Bush administration by conflating attitudes toward them with
attitudes toward the country. That's ***** and you KNOW it.
Or did all the Republicans who criticized and even impeached
Clinton
"hate
America?"
No, they had evidence for their accusations. They didn't just pull
it
out
of thin air.
Yeah. Uh huh. Like when the right wing floated things like Clinton
had
Vince Foster killed?
He has absolutely no evidence that Rumsfield would ever plant
evidence.
He
So? Rumsfeld != America. Rumsfeld is *1* person. Get that? One
person, not a nation.
completly made it up because he hates our government. I find
that
utterly
Oh, another mind-reader. What's the sticker on my monitor say?
mind-reader eh? Why don't you tell me.
traitorous. There's a difference between criticism and slander.
I
haven't
heard someone so willing to slander our country since Baghdad
Bob.
Again, in the (probably vain) hope it'll sink in: Rumsfeld !=
America.
try this:
criticise goverment =
patriotic
dissagree with government = patriotic
dissagree
with officer of government = patriotic
fabricate lies about an officer of government != patriotic
*****. Making snide comments on Usenet? Get a grip.
I wasn't being snide. Klee wrote equations in his last 2 posts to me.
Do
you seriously dissagree with what I said?
I meant your "fabricate lies about an officer of government." You act as
if someone making a snide remark about Rummy's untrustworthiness is
conspiracy against the US.
Conspiracy? Did I ever say that? No. I said it was a fabrication and
without a shred of evidence. And to make a fabrication like that against
an
officer of this country is, in my opinion, unpatriotic. You may disagree
and argue that he has a right to say it, which of course he does, but I
also
have a right to say it's unpatriotic.
Actually I don't even think it's the patriotism thing that annoyed me so
much. It's the fact that everyting about this war is slanted left, slanted
right, or is an outright lie to the left, or an outright lie to the right.
I just get sick of seeing it. And JTEM just threw out another one in the
"outright lie to the left" catagory. It's almost like in politics lying is
perfectly acceptable.
.
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| User: "William Klee" |
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| Title: Re: GOP Warns TV Stations Not to Air Ad Alleging Bush Mislead the Nation Over Iraq |
26 Jul 2003 11:09:43 AM |
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In article <berUa.132600$OZ2.25867@rwcrnsc54>, Nakas
<nakas@comcast.net> wrote:
"Nakas" <nakas@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.07.26.00.20.41.96649@eac.org...
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 23:50:19 +0000, Nakas wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.07.25.22.07.00.66775@eac.org...
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 20:22:10 +0000, Nakas wrote:
"William Klee" <fnord2k@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:250720031243399675%fnord2k@yahoo.com...
In article <8YcUa.145094$Ph3.18366@sccrnsc04>, Nakas
<nakas@comcast.net>
wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.07.25.15.16.43.792077@eac.org...
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 07:56:12 +0000, Nakas wrote:
"JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:mRSdnQlHW8-QQ72iXTWJjw@comcast.com...
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote
Interesting, too, that our own experts threw up there
hands
and
left,
unable to find a damn thing...
One must find hope during these trying times... hope that
Rumsfeld chooses a spot to plant some WMDs soon.
Why don't just just pick up a gun and start shooting at are
troops
if
you
hate America so much?
*****. You.
Not liking--even hating--any particular administration is
*NOT*
the
same
thing as hating the country. In fact, if you believe--as I
happen
to--that
the current powers that be are DESTRUCTIVE to the country, NOT
hating
them
is a betrayal of the country.
I am so FUCKING tired of the attempt by some to stifle
criticism
of
the
Bush administration by conflating attitudes toward them with
attitudes toward the country. That's ***** and you KNOW it.
Or did all the Republicans who criticized and even impeached
Clinton
"hate
America?"
No, they had evidence for their accusations. They didn't just pull
it
out
of thin air.
Yeah. Uh huh. Like when the right wing floated things like Clinton
had
Vince Foster killed?
He has absolutely no evidence that Rumsfield would ever plant
evidence.
He
So? Rumsfeld != America. Rumsfeld is *1* person. Get that? One
person, not a nation.
completly made it up because he hates our government. I find
that
utterly
Oh, another mind-reader. What's the sticker on my monitor say?
mind-reader eh? Why don't you tell me.
traitorous. There's a difference between criticism and slander.
I
haven't
heard someone so willing to slander our country since Baghdad
Bob.
Again, in the (probably vain) hope it'll sink in: Rumsfeld !=
America.
try this:
criticise goverment =
patriotic
dissagree with government = patriotic
dissagree
with officer of government = patriotic
fabricate lies about an officer of government != patriotic
*****. Making snide comments on Usenet? Get a grip.
I wasn't being snide. Klee wrote equations in his last 2 posts to me.
Do
you seriously dissagree with what I said?
I meant your "fabricate lies about an officer of government." You act as
if someone making a snide remark about Rummy's untrustworthiness is
conspiracy against the US.
Conspiracy? Did I ever say that? No. I said it was a fabrication and
without a shred of evidence. And to make a fabrication like that against
an
officer of this country is, in my opinion, unpatriotic. You may disagree
and argue that he has a right to say it, which of course he does, but I
also
have a right to say it's unpatriotic.
Actually I don't even think it's the patriotism thing that annoyed me so
much. It's the fact that everyting about this war is slanted left, slanted
right, or is an outright lie to the left, or an outright lie to the right.
I just get sick of seeing it. And JTEM just threw out another one in the
"outright lie to the left" catagory. It's almost like in politics lying is
perfectly acceptable.
Well, why didn't you just *say* you're the only person who sees the war
exactly as it is? I didn't realize we were in the presence of such
greatness.
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| User: "William Klee" |
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| Title: Re: GOP Warns TV Stations Not to Air Ad Alleging Bush Mislead the Nation Over Iraq |
26 Jul 2003 10:51:14 PM |
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In article <qTBUa.152478$N7.21256@sccrnsc03>, Nakas <nakas@comcast.net>
wrote:
"William Klee" <fnord2k@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:260720031109430317%fnord2k@yahoo.com...
In article <berUa.132600$OZ2.25867@rwcrnsc54>, Nakas
<nakas@comcast.net> wrote:
"Nakas" <nakas@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.07.26.00.20.41.96649@eac.org...
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 23:50:19 +0000, Nakas wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.07.25.22.07.00.66775@eac.org...
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 20:22:10 +0000, Nakas wrote:
"William Klee" <fnord2k@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:250720031243399675%fnord2k@yahoo.com...
In article <8YcUa.145094$Ph3.18366@sccrnsc04>, Nakas
<nakas@comcast.net>
wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.07.25.15.16.43.792077@eac.org...
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 07:56:12 +0000, Nakas wrote:
"JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:mRSdnQlHW8-QQ72iXTWJjw@comcast.com...
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote
Interesting, too, that our own experts threw up there
hands
and
left,
unable to find a damn thing...
One must find hope during these trying times... hope
that
Rumsfeld chooses a spot to plant some WMDs soon.
Why don't just just pick up a gun and start shooting at
are
troops
if
you
hate America so much?
*****. You.
Not liking--even hating--any particular administration is
*NOT*
the
same
thing as hating the country. In fact, if you believe--as I
happen
to--that
the current powers that be are DESTRUCTIVE to the country,
NOT
hating
them
is a betrayal of the country.
I am so FUCKING tired of the attempt by some to stifle
criticism
of
the
Bush administration by conflating attitudes toward them
with
attitudes toward the country. That's ***** and you KNOW
it.
Or did all the Republicans who criticized and even
impeached
Clinton
"hate
America?"
No, they had evidence for their accusations. They didn't just
pull
it
out
of thin air.
Yeah. Uh huh. Like when the right wing floated things like
Clinton
had
Vince Foster killed?
He has absolutely no evidence that Rumsfield would ever
plant
evidence.
He
So? Rumsfeld != America. Rumsfeld is *1* person. Get that? One
person, not a nation.
completly made it up because he hates our government. I
find
that
utterly
Oh, another mind-reader. What's the sticker on my monitor say?
mind-reader eh? Why don't you tell me.
traitorous. There's a difference between criticism and
slander.
I
haven't
heard someone so willing to slander our country since
Baghdad
Bob.
Again, in the (probably vain) hope it'll sink in: Rumsfeld !=
America.
try this:
criticise goverment =
patriotic
dissagree with government =
patriotic
dissagree
with officer of government = patriotic
fabricate lies about an officer of government != patriotic
*****. Making snide comments on Usenet? Get a grip.
I wasn't being snide. Klee wrote equations in his last 2 posts to
me.
Do
you seriously dissagree with what I said?
I meant your "fabricate lies about an officer of government." You
act as
if someone making a snide remark about Rummy's untrustworthiness is
conspiracy against the US.
Conspiracy? Did I ever say that? No. I said it was a fabrication
and
without a shred of evidence. And to make a fabrication like that
against
an
officer of this country is, in my opinion, unpatriotic. You may
disagree
and argue that he has a right to say it, which of course he does, but
I
also
have a right to say it's unpatriotic.
Actually I don't even think it's the patriotism thing that annoyed me so
much. It's the fact that everyting about this war is slanted left,
slanted
right, or is an outright lie to the left, or an outright lie to the
right.
I just get sick of seeing it. And JTEM just threw out another one in
the
"outright lie to the left" catagory. It's almost like in politics lying
is
perfectly acceptable.
Well, why didn't you just *say* you're the only person who sees the war
exactly as it is? I didn't realize we were in the presence of such
greatness.
Well I recognized JTEM's statement as a blatant fabrication, but I don't
think I'm the only one who recognized that... I was, unfortunatly, the
only one who condemed it.
An ad hom is not attacking a fabrication, it's attacking a person. For
someone who claims to be an atheist, you're damn good at xian tactics.
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William Klee <fnord2k@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:260720032251149054%fnord2k@yahoo.com:
An ad hom is not attacking a fabrication, it's attacking a
person. For someone who claims to be an atheist, you're
damn good at xian tactics.
Furthermore, Argumentum ad Hominem is to say that a person's
argument is wrong *because* of a personal trait. This is a
subtle point, not appreciated by many.
1. Your argument is wrong because you're stupid.
2. You are stupid, and your argument is wrong because the
following facts prove your conclusion is false. (facts follow.)
1. is argumentum ad hominem but 2. is not.
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| User: "William Klee" |
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| Title: Re: GOP Warns TV Stations Not to Air Ad Alleging Bush Mislead the Nation Over Iraq |
27 Jul 2003 01:36:43 PM |
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In article <Xns93C58EB65C6D4nobodynotmailcom@61.9.191.5>, Kenneth Doyle
<nobody@notmail.com> wrote:
William Klee <fnord2k@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:260720032251149054%fnord2k@yahoo.com:
An ad hom is not attacking a fabrication, it's attacking a
person. For someone who claims to be an atheist, you're
damn good at xian tactics.
Furthermore, Argumentum ad Hominem is to say that a person's
argument is wrong *because* of a personal trait. This is a
subtle point, not appreciated by many.
1. Your argument is wrong because you're stupid.
2. You are stupid, and your argument is wrong because the
following facts prove your conclusion is false. (facts follow.)
1. is argumentum ad hominem but 2. is not.
The way I read it, 1 and 2 are opposites. But, yeah, 1 is an ad hom, 2
is a somewhat rudely phrased counter-argument.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: GOP Warns TV Stations Not to Air Ad Alleging Bush Mislead the Nation Over Iraq |
26 Jul 2003 03:56:05 PM |
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On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 11:09:43 -0500, William Klee wrote:
In article <berUa.132600$OZ2.25867@rwcrnsc54>, Nakas <nakas@comcast.net>
wrote:
"Nakas" <nakas@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:KXqUa.133406$wk6.34524@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net...
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.07.26.00.20.41.96649@eac.org...
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 23:50:19 +0000, Nakas wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.07.25.22.07.00.66775@eac.org...
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 20:22:10 +0000, Nakas wrote:
"William Klee" <fnord2k@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:250720031243399675%fnord2k@yahoo.com...
In article <8YcUa.145094$Ph3.18366@sccrnsc04>, Nakas
<nakas@comcast.net>
wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.07.25.15.16.43.792077@eac.org...
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 07:56:12 +0000, Nakas wrote:
"JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:mRSdnQlHW8-QQ72iXTWJjw@comcast.com...
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote
Interesting, too, that our own experts threw up there
hands
and
left,
unable to find a damn thing...
One must find hope during these trying times... hope
that Rumsfeld chooses a spot to plant some WMDs soon.
Why don't just just pick up a gun and start shooting at
are
troops
if
you
hate America so much?
*****. You.
Not liking--even hating--any particular administration is
*NOT*
the
same
thing as hating the country. In fact, if you believe--as I
happen
to--that
the current powers that be are DESTRUCTIVE to the country,
NOT hating
them
is a betrayal of the country.
I am so FUCKING tired of the attempt by some to stifle
criticism
of
the
Bush administration by conflating attitudes toward them
with attitudes toward the country. That's ***** and you
KNOW it.
Or did all the Republicans who criticized and even
impeached
Clinton
"hate
America?"
No, they had evidence for their accusations. They didn't just
pull
it
out
of thin air.
Yeah. Uh huh. Like when the right wing floated things like
Clinton
had
Vince Foster killed?
He has absolutely no evidence that Rumsfield would ever
plant evidence.
He
So? Rumsfeld != America. Rumsfeld is *1* person. Get that? One
person, not a nation.
completly made it up because he hates our government. I
find
that
utterly
Oh, another mind-reader. What's the sticker on my monitor say?
mind-reader eh? Why don't you tell me.
traitorous. There's a difference between criticism and
slander.
I
haven't
heard someone so willing to slander our country since
Baghdad
Bob.
Again, in the (probably vain) hope it'll sink in: Rumsfeld !=
America.
try this:
criticise goverment =
patriotic
dissagree with government =
patriotic
dissagree
with officer of government = patriotic
fabricate lies about an officer of government != patriotic
*****. Making snide comments on Usenet? Get a grip.
I wasn't being snide. Klee wrote equations in his last 2 posts to
me.
Do
you seriously dissagree with what I said?
I meant your "fabricate lies about an officer of government." You
act as if someone making a snide remark about Rummy's
untrustworthiness is conspiracy against the US.
Conspiracy? Did I ever say that? No. I said it was a fabrication
and without a shred of evidence. And to make a fabrication like that
against
an
officer of this country is, in my opinion, unpatriotic. You may
disagree and argue that he has a right to say it, which of course he
does, but I
also
have a right to say it's unpatriotic.
Actually I don't even think it's the patriotism thing that annoyed me so
much. It's the fact that everyting about this war is slanted left,
slanted right, or is an outright lie to the left, or an outright lie to
the right. I just get sick of seeing it. And JTEM just threw out
another one in the "outright lie to the left" catagory. It's almost
like in politics lying is perfectly acceptable.
Well, why didn't you just *say* you're the only person who sees the war
exactly as it is? I didn't realize we were in the presence of such
greatness.
Well, I'm in awe. Ain't you?
--
Mark K. Bilbo #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
________________________________________________________________
"In order to achieve the most noble accomplishments, the leader
may have to 'enter into evil.' This is the chilling insight
that has made Machiavelli so feared, admired and challenging
we are rotten....It's true that we can achieve greatness if,
and only if, we are properly led."
- Michael Ledeen, neoconservative leader
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| User: "William Klee" |
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| Title: Re: GOP Warns TV Stations Not to Air Ad Alleging Bush Mislead the Nation Over Iraq |
26 Jul 2003 10:51:58 PM |
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In article <pan.2003.07.26.20.56.04.982502@eac.org>, Mark K. Bilbo
<iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 11:09:43 -0500, William Klee wrote:
In article <berUa.132600$OZ2.25867@rwcrnsc54>, Nakas <nakas@comcast.net>
wrote:
"Nakas" <nakas@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:KXqUa.133406$wk6.34524@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net...
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.07.26.00.20.41.96649@eac.org...
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 23:50:19 +0000, Nakas wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.07.25.22.07.00.66775@eac.org...
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 20:22:10 +0000, Nakas wrote:
"William Klee" <fnord2k@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:250720031243399675%fnord2k@yahoo.com...
In article <8YcUa.145094$Ph3.18366@sccrnsc04>, Nakas
<nakas@comcast.net>
wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.07.25.15.16.43.792077@eac.org...
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 07:56:12 +0000, Nakas wrote:
"JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:mRSdnQlHW8-QQ72iXTWJjw@comcast.com...
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote
Interesting, too, that our own experts threw up there
hands
and
left,
unable to find a damn thing...
One must find hope during these trying times... hope
that Rumsfeld chooses a spot to plant some WMDs soon.
Why don't just just pick up a gun and start shooting at
are
troops
if
you
hate America so much?
*****. You.
Not liking--even hating--any particular administration is
*NOT*
the
same
thing as hating the country. In fact, if you believe--as I
happen
to--that
the current powers that be are DESTRUCTIVE to the country,
NOT hating
them
is a betrayal of the country.
I am so FUCKING tired of the attempt by some to stifle
criticism
of
the
Bush administration by conflating attitudes toward them
with attitudes toward the country. That's ***** and you
KNOW it.
Or did all the Republicans who criticized and even
impeached
Clinton
"hate
America?"
No, they had evidence for their accusations. They didn't just
pull
it
out
of thin air.
Yeah. Uh huh. Like when the right wing floated things like
Clinton
had
Vince Foster killed?
He has absolutely no evidence that Rumsfield would ever
plant evidence.
He
So? Rumsfeld != America. Rumsfeld is *1* person. Get that? One
person, not a nation.
completly made it up because he hates our government. I
find
that
utterly
Oh, another mind-reader. What's the sticker on my monitor say?
mind-reader eh? Why don't you tell me.
traitorous. There's a difference between criticism and
slander.
I
haven't
heard someone so willing to slander our country since
Baghdad
Bob.
Again, in the (probably vain) hope it'll sink in: Rumsfeld !=
America.
try this:
criticise goverment =
patriotic
dissagree with government =
patriotic
dissagree
with officer of government = patriotic
fabricate lies about an officer of government != patriotic
*****. Making snide comments on Usenet? Get a grip.
I wasn't being snide. Klee wrote equations in his last 2 posts to
me.
Do
you seriously dissagree with what I said?
I meant your "fabricate lies about an officer of government." You
act as if someone making a snide remark about Rummy's
untrustworthiness is conspiracy against the US.
Conspiracy? Did I ever say that? No. I said it was a fabrication
and without a shred of evidence. And to make a fabrication like that
against
an
officer of this country is, in my opinion, unpatriotic. You may
disagree and argue that he has a right to say it, which of course he
does, but I
also
have a right to say it's unpatriotic.
Actually I don't even think it's the patriotism thing that annoyed me so
much. It's the fact that everyting about this war is slanted left,
slanted right, or is an outright lie to the left, or an outright lie to
the right. I just get sick of seeing it. And JTEM just threw out
another one in the "outright lie to the left" catagory. It's almost
like in politics lying is perfectly acceptable.
Well, why didn't you just *say* you're the only person who sees the war
exactly as it is? I didn't realize we were in the presence of such
greatness.
Well, I'm in awe. Ain't you?
I'm holding my breath, all right, but it ain't in awe.
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