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21 Nov 2003 09:29:42 AM |
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Re: Government churches should be constitutionally rabid |
PART VII
[I said ]
:|> This one is far better:
:|http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=387669cf.12171966%40news.exis.net&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
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:|> My Reply will be found in the newly posted article
:|> Christian Orthodoxy And The Founders
:|> http://members.tripod.com/~candst/orthodox.htm
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[ ambrose searle aka richard gardiner ] said
:|A "reply" that has been thoroughly answered at
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:|http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=fe9a0c54.0311172019.274b6fb5%40posting.google.com
[ my reply]
Now in your wildest dreams.
Your standard ploy here is to try and attack the source, be it a web site
or the one posting or in some cases even a scholar.
That is pretty standard with you, you seem to want the world to believe
that only you know the "truth," and anyone who disagrees with your position
has got to have it wrong no matter who they are or how qualified they are.
You might sell that to members of the choir, but you will not fool most
people who may even bother to read any of the exchanges between us.
Two Items, one short, one quite long.
Letr any readers who may venrute to studying decide.
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http://makeashorterlink.com/?C10D12A96
From:
Subject: Re: Was Thomas Jefferson a Christian
Newsgroups: alt.bible, alt.christnet.philosophy, alt.christnet.theology,
alt.religion.christian, alt.atheism
Date: 2002-06-04 04:35:59 PST
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[part vii]
CHRISTIAN ORTHODOXY AND THE FOUNDERS
Just some of the cited and excerpted sources used in this over all article
There are duplications in some instances, in most I tried to eliminate the
duplications.
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THE FOLLOWING IN MANY INSTANCES ALSO HAVE A VARIETY
OF SOURCES. NOTE THE VERY FIRST ONE AS AN EXAMPLE OF
THOSE SOURCES:
[Again there are some duplications, I apologize for that.]
Treaty of Tripoli, 1796: Little-Known U.S. Document Signed by President
Adams Proclaims America's Government Is Secular
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tripoli1.htm
(Article VI, Section II, United States Constitution)
The Journal of the Senate including the Journal of the Executive
Proceedings of the Senate, John Adams Administration 1791-1801, Volume I:
Fifth Congress, First Session; March-July, 1797, Martin P. Claussen,
General Editor. Michael Glazier, Inc. Wilmington, Delaware 19801, (1977) pp
156-57, 160.
Treaties and other International Acts of the United States of
America, Volume 2, Documents 1-40; 1776-1818, edited by Hunter Miller,
United States Government Printing Office, Washington: 1931. pp 364-66)
The United States Ratification And Proclamation
The fourth document in the Department of State file, and the last to be
noted, is at once the United States instrument of ratification and the
proclamation, dated June 10, 1797. Treaties and other International Acts of
the United States of America, Volume 2, Documents 1-40; 1776-1818, edited
by Hunter Miller, United States Government Printing Office, Washington:
1931. pp 382-83)
Treaties and other International Acts of the United States of
America, Volume 2, Documents 1-40; 1776-1818, edited by Hunter Miller,
United States Government Printing Office, Washington: 1931. pp 371-72)
"Treaty of Peace, Amity, and Commerce Between the President and
Citizens of the United States of America, and the Basha, Bey, and Subjects
of Tripoli, in Bombay, Concluded June 4, 1805; Ratified by the Senate April
12, 1806," Treaties and Conventions Concluded between the United States of
America and Other Powers, Since July 4, 1776, published by the Department
of State, 1889, page 1084, American State Papers Bearing On Sunday
Legislation, Revised and Enlarged Edition, Compiled and Annotated by
William Addison Blakely, Revised Edition Edited by Willard Allen Colcord,
The Religious Liberty Association, Washington D.C. 1911, pp 164-165
"Joel Barlow And The Treaty With Tripoli: A Tangled Tale Of
Pirates, A Poet And The True Meaning Of The First Amendment" by Rob Boston,
Church & State Magazine, June, 1997
"Does the 1796-97 Treaty with Tripoli Matter to Church/State
Separation?"; Speech given to the Humanists of Georgia on June 22, 1997 and
at the 1997 Lake Hypatia Independance Day Celebration, by Ed Buckner, Ph.D.
"Is The United States a Christian Country?" by Rev. James W.
Watkins
"The Government of the United States of America is not, in any
sense founded on the Christian Religion" by Jim Walker. [12/2001 No longer
available at http://members.icanect.net/~zardoz/Tripoli.htm]
or "Little-Known U. S. Document Signed by President Adams Proclaims
America's Government is Secular" by Jim Walker.
The Avalon Project at the Yale Law School
The Barbary Treaties :
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"Joel Barlow And The Treaty With Tripoli: A Tangled Tale Of Pirates, A Poet
And The True Meaning Of The First Amendment" by Rob Boston,
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/boston4.htm
Study Guide: The Roots of American Democracy
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/studygd8.htm
Roots of American Law
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/histlaw.htm
Holy Trinity and the Christian Nation Dicta
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/trinity.htm
Getting to Know Supreme Court Justice David J. Brewer
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/brewer.htm
The Supreme Court has Declared that the United States is a Christian
Nation.
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tnppage/arg7.htm
The word Religion does not mean Christian
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/minor.htm
"The Year of Our Lord" and separation.
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tnppage/arg10c.htm
Sunday (Sabbath) arguments and Clashes (1810-1835)
Genealogy of Sunday Laws
http://candst.tripod.com/geneal.html
The Sunday Mail argument (1810-1830)
http://candst.tripod.com/sundays3.htm
Sundays Excepted
http://candst.tripod.com/sundays.htm
"Sunday Excepted" & "Year of Our lord" (1830-1833)
http://candst.tripod.com/sundays2.htm
In God We Trust
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/motto.htm
Some Thoughts on Religion and Law
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/bthot-lr.htm
Religious Freedom vs Religion
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/batte-rf.htm
Study Guide: Separation of Church and State - Indepth
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/studygd0.htm
Everson v. Bd of Ed defined the Establishment Clasue. Here are the
footnotes that the court used to pen the definition: FOOTNOTES TO EVERSON
v. BD OF ED.
http://snurl.com/2pro
Ed and Michael Buckner have compiled an extensive collection of Quotations
Supporting the Separation of Church and State.
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/ed_buckner/quotations.html
A Critical Response to Bernard Katz On Our Founding Fathers by Robert
Nordlander
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/nordland.htm
Federal officials take their oaths upon a Bible, and use the words "so help
me God."
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tnppage/arg11.htm
How often did the founders quote the Bible?
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tnppage/arg9.htm
All Those Christian Presidents
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/hayes.htm
Did John Quincy Adams ever say that the American Revolution "connected in
one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the
principles of Christianity?"
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tnppage/misq5.htm
Did Montesquieu base his theory of separation of powers on the Bible?
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tnppage/montesquieu.htm
Benjamin F. Underwood: The Practical Separation of Church and State (1876)
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tnppage/uwood.htm
Rufus King's views on Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tnppage/qking.htm
Reverend John Leland on Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tnppage/qleland.htm
JOHN LELAND: SECULAR HUMANIST? by Gene Garman
http://www.sunnetworks.net/~ggarman/leland.html
A Baptist minister and follow warrior with Jefferson, Madison and others in
the struggle for religious freedom ga
e this advice about electing public
officials: "...guard against those men who make a great noise about
religion..."
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/leland5.htm
George Mason's views on Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tnppage/qmason.htm
Charles Pinckney and Separation of Church and State.
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tnppage/qpinck.htm
Edmund Randolph's views on Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tnppage/qrandolf.htm
What about quotations that appear to oppose separation?
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tnppage/quote4.htm
What the founders believed about separation of church and state
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tnppage/quoteidx.htm
Noah Webster's views on the Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tnppage/qwebstrn.htm
Jefferson on religion flourishing on its own merits
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tnppage/merits.htm
Thomas Jefferson on church and state
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tnppage/qjeffson.htm
[DID] Thomas Jefferson supported Bible reading in school; this is proven by
his service as the first president of the Washington, D.C. public schools,
which used the Bible and Watt's Hymns as textbooks for reading.
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tnppage/arg6.htm
Another Jefferson Quote Debunked
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/jefschl1.htm
Jefferson, Religion, and the Public Schools.
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tnppage/jeffschl.htm
Jefferson's Declaration of Independence did not use the word "Creator"
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/doitj.htm
Joseph Story's ongoing war with Thomas Jefferson
http://candst.tripod.com/joestor3.htm
79. A Bill for the More General Diffusion of Knowledge (1778)
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/jefflaw1.htm
80. A Bill for Amending the Constitution of the College of William and
Mary, and Substituting More Certain Revenues for Its Support (1779)
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/jefflaw2.htm
81. A Bill for Establishing a Public Library (1779)
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/jefflaw3.htm
[DID] Thomas Jefferson actually said that the wall of separation between
church and state was "one directional."
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tnppage/arg3.htm
Jefferson's Danbury letter was written merely to assure Connecticut
Baptists that the Constitution did not permit the establishment of a
national denomination.
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tnppage/arg12.htm
Jefferson's Danbury letter was written to address the Danbury Baptists'
fears that the First Amendment might be misinterpreted.
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tnppage/arg13.htm
Jefferson's letter to Benjamin Rush shows that Jefferson was a
non-preferentialist.
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tnppage/arg14.htm
Thomas Jefferson on Religious Freedom Jefferson's Bill for Establishing
Religious Freedom in the State of Virginia
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7842/rfindex.htm
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/statute.htm
Thomas Jefferson on Politics & Government 52. Freedom of Religion
http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/jefferson/quotations/jeff1650.htm
Thomas Jefferson on Religion
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/1777/jefferson.html
THOMAS JEFFERSON ON CHRISTIANITY & RELIGION
Compiled by Jim Walker
http://www.nobeliefs.com/jefferson.htm
Thomas Jefferson on Religion
http://www.mikehersh.com/article_30.shtml
Thomas Jefferson on religion
http://www.worldpolicy.org/globalrights/religion/jefferson-religion.html
Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom (1786)
Thomas Jefferson
http://www.worldpolicy.org/globalrights/religion/va-religiousfreedom.html
The Real Jefferson on Religion by Robert S. Alley
http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/alley_18_4.html
The Letters of Thomas Jefferson: 1743-1826 RELIGION AND THE UNIVERSITY
To Dr. Thomas Cooper Monticello, November 2, 1822
http://grid.let.rug.nl/~usa/P/tj3/writings/brf/jefl270.htm
The Letters of Thomas Jefferson: 1743-1826 RELIGIOUS FREEDOM
To Rev. Samuel Miller Washington, Jan. 23, 1808
http://grid.let.rug.nl/~usa/P/tj3/writings/brf/jefl183.htm
Thomas Jefferson's Letters on Liberty and Religion
http://www.sullivan-county.com/identity/jeff_letters.htm
Jefferson's Note on Virginia (religion)
http://xroads.virginia.edu/~HYPER/JEFFERSON/ch17.html
THE Jefferson Bible
The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth, Extracted Textually from the
Gospels
Compiled by Thomas Jefferson
Edited by Eyler Robert Coates, Sr.
[a decent version, not the most accurate ]
http://www.angelfire.com/co/JeffersonBible/
Thomas Jefferson
http://www.uua.org/uuhs/duub/articles/thomasjefferson.html
Thomas Jefferson: A UU Perspective
Was Jefferson a Unitarian?
http://www.2think.org/tj.shtml
Thomas Jefferson: The Sphere of Religion
http://search.eb.com/elections/pri/Q00074.html
Jefferson and Religion--Google search
http://snurl.com/2pse
Celebrating Madison at 250: Father of the Constitution opposed Tax Funding
of Religion
http://www.au.org/press/pr31601.htm
What God Has Put Asunder: James Madison Quotes On Church And State
http://www.au.org/churchstate/cs3014.htm
Is it true that Madison said "Our future is staked on the 10 commandments?"
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/misq1.htm
Is it true that Madison said "Religion is the foundation of government?"
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/misq2.htm
Madison's Arguments Against Special Religious Sanction of American
Government (1792)
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/madlib.htm
Madison's vetoes: Some of The First Official Meanings Assigned to The
Establishment Clause
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/madvetos.htm
Madison's letter to Jasper Adams
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tnppage/jasper.htm
Madison on church and state
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tnppage/qmadison.htm
Chief Justice Burger, I Would Like You To Meet Mr. Madison
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/meet.htm
Madison's Arguments Against Special Religious Sanction of American
Government
http://candst.tripod.com/madlib.htm
Madison's vetoes: Some of The First Official Meanings Assigned to The
Establishment Clause (1811)
http://candst.tripod.com/madvetos.htm
Two Views: James Madison's and Joseph Story's
http://candst.tripod.com/joestor2.htm
Excerpts from James Madison's Autobiography
http://candst.tripod.com/madauto.html
James Madison's Memorial and Remonstrance (June,1785)
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/memorial.htm
Excerpts from James Madison's Detached Memoranda (written after 1817)
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/detach.htm
Madison's letter to Jasper Adams
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tnppage/jasper.htm
JAMES MADISON AND PATRICK HENRY I
http://crisis.net/church-state/madi-hen.htm
JAMES MADISON AND PATRICK HENRY, II
http://crisis.net/church-state/mad-hen2.htm
ESTABLISHMENTS OF RELIGION by JAMES MADISON
http://www.sunnetworks.net/~ggarman/estaorel.html
WATCH THE GRAVE OF JAMES MADISON by Gene Garman
http://www.sunnetworks.net/~ggarman/grave.html
James Madison on Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tnppage/qmadison.htm
James Madison and the Social Utility of Religion: Risks vs. Rewards
http://www.loc.gov/loc/madison/hutson-paper.html
JAMES MADISON AND PATRICK HENRY
http://crisis.net/church-state/madi-hen.htm
PART TWO. JAMES MADISON AND PATRICK HENRY, part 2.
http://crisis.net/church-state/mad-hen2.htm
Quotations on religion James Madison
http://atheism.about.com/library/quotes/bl_q_JMadison.htm
James Madison & Church-State Separation What The Father Of The Constitution
Thought About ‘Faith- Based' Government Programs by Rob Boston
http://www.au.org/resources/foundingdocs/Madison.pdf
Faith-Based Charities unconstitutional, says the father of the Constitution
and Bill of Rights
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/faith.htm
I Pledge Allegiance to James Madison
http://anyboard.net/gov/pol/USpolitics/posts/10651.html
The religious Life of Thomas Jeffeson, Charles B. Sanford. Pg 5
http://snurl.com/2qw5
Jefferson Church, etc.
http://snurl.com/2qwn
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26 Nov 2003 09:49:49 AM |
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Hello
I'm a researcher in the Dept. of Anthropology at UCLA. I have recently put
up a web-based research study that surveys vaious aspects of political
opinion and personality. I would appreciate it if I could get anyone using
this listserv to participate in the study. Up until now, I have primarily
had left-leaning university students as participants in the study, and would
like to have broader views represented in the study. If you have a few
minutes, I would appreciate if you would take the survey. It is at:
www.xba-ucla.com/Study7
Thanks
C. David Navarrete
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| User: "Michael S. Morris" |
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27 Nov 2003 02:33:52 PM |
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Thursday, the 27th of November, 2003
Carlos Navarrete wrote:
Up until now, I have primarily
had left-leaning university students as participants in the study, and
would
like to have broader views represented in the study. If you have a few
minutes, I would appreciate if you would take the survey. It is at:
My views are very important to me, therefore I refuse to reduce them
to the flat idiocy of the possible "answers" to such a study. Count me
in your dataset only as a "refuses to respond".
Mike Morris
(msmorris@netdirect.net)
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| User: "Kevin Robinson" |
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28 Nov 2003 01:00:04 AM |
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"Michael S. Morris" <msmorris@netdirect.net> wrote in message news:<3FC65FB0.68CF8F28@netdirect.net>...
Thursday, the 27th of November, 2003
Carlos Navarrete wrote:
Up until now, I have primarily
had left-leaning university students as participants in the study, and
would
like to have broader views represented in the study. If you have a few
minutes, I would appreciate if you would take the survey. It is at:
My views are very important to me, therefore I refuse to reduce them
to the flat idiocy of the possible "answers" to such a study. Count me
in your dataset only as a "refuses to respond".
Mike Morris
(msmorris@netdirect.net)
Besides what Mike wrote, the first section has methodological flaws.
Several of the questions are compound, and ought to be multi-part,
or separate questions. For example, I think the country is seriously
messed up, but needs more freedom, not a strongman.
There was no way to answer in that manner.
A clue: separate each policy position into one question per position.
Ask another question about motivations. There are people who would
answer these questions this way:
Q. Do you support a government financed health insurance plan?
A. Yes
Q. On a scale of 1 to 5, five being highest, how closely do you
agree with Senator Edward Hennedy on the health care issue?
A. 1
Said respondent would be an idiot, but such people exist.
The "researchers" also posted into libertarian newsgroups,
then trotted out the hoary old liberal-conservative one-
dimensional axis for the purpose of having respondents
describe themselves. Libertarian is nowhere an option.
They also left no room for a "write-in" response.
How could I enter my usual response to racial ID questions:
"Human?"
UCLA Center For Behavior, Evolution, and Culture
http://bec.ucla.edu/index.htm
Their speaker series seems to have some interesting topics.
I'd go to hear Jared Diamond, for one. Why the sloppy
survey design?
Kevin
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28 Nov 2003 01:09:56 AM |
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Kevin Robinson said the following on 11/28/2003 2:00 AM:
"Michael S. Morris" <msmorris@netdirect.net> wrote in message news:<3FC65FB0.68CF8F28@netdirect.net>...
Thursday, the 27th of November, 2003
Carlos Navarrete wrote:
Up until now, I have primarily
had left-leaning university students as participants in the study, and
would
like to have broader views represented in the study. If you have a few
minutes, I would appreciate if you would take the survey. It is at:
My views are very important to me, therefore I refuse to reduce them
to the flat idiocy of the possible "answers" to such a study. Count me
in your dataset only as a "refuses to respond".
Mike Morris
(msmorris@netdirect.net)
Besides what Mike wrote, the first section has methodological flaws.
Several of the questions are compound, and ought to be multi-part,
or separate questions. For example, I think the country is seriously
messed up, but needs more freedom, not a strongman.
There was no way to answer in that manner.
A clue: separate each policy position into one question per position.
Ask another question about motivations. There are people who would
answer these questions this way:
Q. Do you support a government financed health insurance plan?
A. Yes
Q. On a scale of 1 to 5, five being highest, how closely do you
agree with Senator Edward Hennedy on the health care issue?
A. 1
Said respondent would be an idiot, but such people exist.
The "researchers" also posted into libertarian newsgroups,
then trotted out the hoary old liberal-conservative one-
dimensional axis for the purpose of having respondents
describe themselves. Libertarian is nowhere an option.
They also left no room for a "write-in" response.
How could I enter my usual response to racial ID questions:
"Human?"
UCLA Center For Behavior, Evolution, and Culture
http://bec.ucla.edu/index.htm
Their speaker series seems to have some interesting topics.
I'd go to hear Jared Diamond, for one. Why the sloppy
survey design?
Kevin
Plus it wants to set a cookie in place, who knows if they also want to
track web usage and correlate something for yet another paper?
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| User: "Martin Thomas" |
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30 Nov 2003 11:34:53 AM |
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On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 02:09:56 -0500, Who Me?
<whome@beets.crib.com> wrote:
Kevin Robinson said the following on 11/28/2003 2:00 AM:
"Michael S. Morris" <msmorris@netdirect.net> wrote in message news:<3FC65FB0.68CF8F28@netdirect.net>...
Thursday, the 27th of November, 2003
Carlos Navarrete wrote:
Up until now, I have primarily
had left-leaning university students as participants in the study, and
would
like to have broader views represented in the study. If you have a few
minutes, I would appreciate if you would take the survey. It is at:
My views are very important to me, therefore I refuse to reduce them
to the flat idiocy of the possible "answers" to such a study. Count me
in your dataset only as a "refuses to respond".
Mike Morris
(msmorris@netdirect.net)
Besides what Mike wrote, the first section has methodological flaws.
Several of the questions are compound, and ought to be multi-part,
or separate questions. For example, I think the country is seriously
messed up, but needs more freedom, not a strongman.
There was no way to answer in that manner.
A clue: separate each policy position into one question per position.
Ask another question about motivations. There are people who would
answer these questions this way:
Q. Do you support a government financed health insurance plan?
A. Yes
Q. On a scale of 1 to 5, five being highest, how closely do you
agree with Senator Edward Hennedy on the health care issue?
A. 1
Said respondent would be an idiot, but such people exist.
The "researchers" also posted into libertarian newsgroups,
then trotted out the hoary old liberal-conservative one-
dimensional axis for the purpose of having respondents
describe themselves. Libertarian is nowhere an option.
They also left no room for a "write-in" response.
How could I enter my usual response to racial ID questions:
"Human?"
UCLA Center For Behavior, Evolution, and Culture
http://bec.ucla.edu/index.htm
Their speaker series seems to have some interesting topics.
I'd go to hear Jared Diamond, for one. Why the sloppy
survey design?
Kevin
Plus it wants to set a cookie in place, who knows if they also want to
track web usage and correlate something for yet another paper?
It would make sense if they explained what it is for, but it
might be there just to detect if anyone takes the same test more
than once.
-
Martin Thomas
mart666t@netscape.NO.HAWKERS.net
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| User: "Carol Lee Smith" |
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28 Nov 2003 11:43:03 PM |
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On Fri, 28 Nov 2003, Who Me? wrote:
Kevin Robinson said the following on 11/28/2003 2:00 AM:
Their speaker series seems to have some interesting topics.
I'd go to hear Jared Diamond, for one. Why the sloppy
survey design?
Kevin
Don't know about that, but Jared Diamond is very interesting to hear
speak. If you ever have the chance, don't pass it up.
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| User: "SPQR" |
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28 Nov 2003 10:37:07 AM |
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"Carlos Navarrete" <capuchin@ucla.edu> wrote in message news:<vs9it4p4bq8p96@corp.supernews.com>...
Hello
I'm a researcher in the Dept. of Anthropology at UCLA. I have recently put
up a web-based research study that surveys vaious aspects of political
opinion and personality. I would appreciate it if I could get anyone using
this listserv to participate in the study. Up until now, I have primarily
had left-leaning university students as participants in the study, and would
like to have broader views represented in the study. If you have a few
minutes, I would appreciate if you would take the survey. It is at:
www.xba-ucla.com/Study7
Thanks
C. David Navarrete
Dear C. David:
I just read your survey. It reminds me of something that happened to
me several years ago as I was traveling the backroads of West
Virginia.
I encountered a young lad standing by the side of the road; I stopped
to ask directions. We talked for a while and I asked him about his
family.
"Well," he said, "Daddy's in the state penitentiary; Momma's in the
state prison for the criminally insane; my two brothers are in the
pen; my sister ran off to Oklahoma and we ain't seen her for years; I
got a 12-yearold sister who got knocked up by our uncle and she's in
the women's shelter; and, I got another brother in the anthropology
department at UCLA."
I was astonished and asked how it was, with all his family in jail
that one brother was studying anthropology at UCLA.
"Oh," he replied, "my brother ain't studying nothing. They're
studying him."
Get back in your cage.
SPQR
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| User: "Orhan Orgun" |
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27 Nov 2003 11:56:46 AM |
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"Carlos Navarrete" <capuchin@ucla.edu> wrote in message news:<vs9it4p4bq8p96@corp.supernews.com>...
Hello
I'm a researcher in the Dept. of Anthropology at UCLA. I have recently put
up a web-based research study that surveys vaious aspects of political
opinion and personality. I would appreciate it if I could get anyone using
this listserv to participate in the study. Up until now, I have primarily
had left-leaning university students as participants in the study, and would
like to have broader views represented in the study. If you have a few
minutes, I would appreciate if you would take the survey. It is at:
www.xba-ucla.com/Study7
Was the trick to find the one "strongly agree" among all the "strongly
disagree"s? I found it. What did I win?
I'm afraid I quit when it came to the student essays. How dumb is it
to have to answer "how well do you like this person" based on one
paragraph (and one written in their nonnative language)?
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| User: "Steve Knight" |
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28 Nov 2003 12:36:25 AM |
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On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 07:49:49 -0800, "Carlos Navarrete"
<capuchin@ucla.edu> wrote:
Hello
I'm a researcher in the Dept. of Anthropology at UCLA. I have recently put
up a web-based research study that surveys vaious aspects of political
opinion and personality. I would appreciate it if I could get anyone using
this listserv to participate in the study. Up until now, I have primarily
had left-leaning university students as participants in the study, and would
like to have broader views represented in the study. If you have a few
minutes, I would appreciate if you would take the survey. It is at:
www.xba-ucla.com/Study7
Thanks
C. David Navarrete
Anybody else see a problem with this survey?
Dude, are you working for Bush or just sucking his *****?
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
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What our country really needs is a strong, determined leader who will
crush evil, and take us back to our true path.
Strongly Disagree Strongly Agree
It would be best for everyone if the proper authorities censored
magazines so that people could not get their hands on trashy and
disgusting material
Strongly Disagree Strongly Agree
Our country will be great if we honor the ways of our forefathers, do
what the authorities tell us to do, and get rid of the "rotten apples"
who are ruining everything
Strongly Disagree Strongly Agree
This country would work a lot better if certain groups of
troublemakers would just shut up and accept their group's traditional
place in society
Strongly Disagree Strongly Agree
There are many radical, immoral people in our country today, who are
trying to ruin it for their own godless purposes, whom the authorities
should put out of action
Strongly Disagree Strongly Agree
What our country needs most is discipline with everyone following our
leaders in unity
Strongly Disagree Strongly Agree
Its better to have trashy magazines and radical pamphlets in our
communities than to let the government have the power to censor them.
Strongly Disagree Strongly Agree
The facts on crime, sexual immorality, and the recent public disorders
all show we have to crack down harder on deviant groups and
trouble-makers if we are going to save our moral standards and
preserve law and order
Strongly Disagree Strongly Agree
The situation in our country is getting so serious, the strongest
methods would be justified if they eliminated the troublemakers and
got us back on our true path
Strongly Disagree Strongly Agree
Once our government gives us the go ahead, it will be the duty of
every patriotic citizen to help stomp out the rot that is poisoning
our country from within
Strongly Disagree Strongly Agree
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| User: "NG User" |
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| Title: Re: New Web Study |
28 Nov 2003 12:52:23 AM |
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On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 07:49:49 -0800, "Carlos Navarrete"
<capuchin@ucla.edu> wrote:
Hello
I'm a researcher in the Dept. of Anthropology at UCLA. I have recently put
up a web-based research study that surveys vaious aspects of political
opinion and personality. I would appreciate it if I could get anyone using
this listserv to participate in the study. Up until now, I have primarily
had left-leaning university students as participants in the study, and would
like to have broader views represented in the study. If you have a few
minutes, I would appreciate if you would take the survey. It is at:
www.xba-ucla.com/Study7
Thanks
C. David Navarrete
Students and Usenet readers. Is this supposed to be a representative
sample? Do you know what that means?
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| User: "ArWeGod" |
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28 Nov 2003 03:32:10 AM |
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"NG User" <nguser@localhost.com> wrote in message
news:n0sdsvse0egipve28gbi8mc854i568e33l@4ax.com...
On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 07:49:49 -0800, "Carlos Navarrete"
<capuchin@ucla.edu> wrote:
Hello
I'm a researcher in the Dept. of Anthropology at UCLA. I have recently
put
up a web-based research study that surveys vaious aspects of political
opinion and personality. I would appreciate it if I could get anyone
using
this listserv to participate in the study. Up until now, I have primarily
had left-leaning university students as participants in the study, and
would
like to have broader views represented in the study. If you have a few
minutes, I would appreciate if you would take the survey. It is at:
www.xba-ucla.com/Study7
So UCLA is now a COMpany?
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| User: "Martin Thomas" |
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| Title: Re: New Web Study |
28 Nov 2003 03:20:04 AM |
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On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 07:49:49 -0800, "Carlos Navarrete"
<capuchin@ucla.edu> wrote:
Hello
I'm a researcher in the Dept. of Anthropology at UCLA. I have recently put
up a web-based research study that surveys vaious aspects of political
opinion and personality. I would appreciate it if I could get anyone using
this listserv to participate in the study. Up until now, I have primarily
had left-leaning university students as participants in the study, and would
like to have broader views represented in the study. If you have a few
minutes, I would appreciate if you would take the survey. It is at:
www.xba-ucla.com/Study7
The above message invites everyone, as does the first page on the
web site. But the next page makes it clear that it is intended
for Americans!
I went through a few pages of it, then got bored.
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Martin Thomas
mart666t@netscape.NO.HAWKERS.net
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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| Title: Re: New Web Study |
27 Nov 2003 05:16:16 AM |
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On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 07:49:49 -0800, "Carlos Navarrete"
<capuchin@ucla.edu> wrote:
I'm a researcher in the Dept. of Anthropology at UCLA. I have recently put
up a web-based research study that surveys vaious aspects of political
opinion and personality. I would appreciate it if I could get anyone using
this listserv to participate in the study. Up until now, I have primarily
had left-leaning university students as participants in the study, and would
like to have broader views represented in the study. If you have a few
minutes, I would appreciate if you would take the survey. It is at:
www.xba-ucla.com/Study7
Left leanings? If these questions were any MORE right wing, you'd have
to post swastika's for decoration....
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| User: "Scott Bryce" |
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27 Nov 2003 11:31:41 AM |
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Jos Flachs wrote:
Left leanings?
I only looked at the first page of questions. Although the ideas seem to
be conservative, the underlying assumption is that government has the
answers to all of our problems. That is a liberal concept.
If these questions were any MORE right wing, you'd have
to post swastika's for decoration....
The swastika represents government control of all aspects of life. That
is NOT a right wing ideal, even if our current crop of Republican
politicians want to make it look that way.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: New Web Study |
27 Nov 2003 12:19:52 PM |
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Jos Flachs wrote:
On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 07:49:49 -0800, "Carlos Navarrete"
<capuchin@ucla.edu> wrote:
I'm a researcher in the Dept. of Anthropology at UCLA. I have recently put
up a web-based research study that surveys vaious aspects of political
opinion and personality. I would appreciate it if I could get anyone using
this listserv to participate in the study. Up until now, I have primarily
had left-leaning university students as participants in the study, and would
like to have broader views represented in the study. If you have a few
minutes, I would appreciate if you would take the survey. It is at:
www.xba-ucla.com/Study7
Left leanings? If these questions were any MORE right wing, you'd have
to post swastika's for decoration....
They read like a left-wingers version of right-wing positions to me.
--
Fred Stone
Illegitimi non Carborundum
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: New Web Study |
26 Nov 2003 02:55:08 PM |
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Why didn't you supply the answers too? There's a picture of your
'survey' next to "biased" in the dictionary.
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