PART IV
[I said ]
:|> This one is far better:
:|http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=387669cf.12171966%40news.exis.net&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
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:|> My Reply will be found in the newly posted article
:|> Christian Orthodoxy And The Founders
:|> http://members.tripod.com/~candst/orthodox.htm
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[ ambrose searle aka richard gardiner ] said
:|A "reply" that has been thoroughly answered at
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:|http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=fe9a0c54.0311172019.274b6fb5%40posting.google.com
[ my reply]
Now in your wildest dreams.
Your standard ploy here is to try and attack the source, be it a web site
or the one posting or in some cases even a scholar.
That is pretty standard with you, you seem to want the world to believe
that only you know the "truth," and anyone who disagrees with your position
has got to have it wrong no matter who they are or how qualified they are.
You might sell that to members of the choir, but you will not fool most
people who may even bother to read any of the exchanges between us.
Two Items, one short, one quite long.
Letr any readers who may venrute to studying decide.
(1)
http://makeashorterlink.com/?C10D12A96
From:
Subject: Re: Was Thomas Jefferson a Christian
Newsgroups: alt.bible, alt.christnet.philosophy, alt.christnet.theology,
alt.religion.christian, alt.atheism
Date: 2002-06-04 04:35:59 PST
(2)
[part iv]
CHRISTIAN ORTHODOXY AND THE FOUNDERS
Just some of the cited and excerpted sources used in this over all article
There are duplications in some instances, in most I tried to eliminate the
duplications.
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#10
http://makeashorterlink.com/?J45023896
http://snurl.com/2rk3
A GENERAL SUMMATION
[Most of the following also have their own sources, some of which are
listed in other places in this and some of which are not.]
Any of the following URLs that have separated be sure to make them whole on
one line again before trying to click on them
[17% churched #1]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?J3B022896
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl1915158611d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&selm=36F16525.86C1
F77F%40pitnet.net
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[17% churched #2]
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl1915158611d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&selm=3702a96a.2774
8344%40news.pilot.infi.net
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[ 17% churched #3]
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl3626370080d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&selm=36f6ca17.12723
584%40news.pilot.infi.net
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[17% Churched #4]
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl3626370080d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&selm=36f79838.23034
413%40nntp.ix.netcom.com
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[17% churched # 5]
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl2764349343d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&selm=36F4A147.46F6
0107%40pitnet.net
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[17% Churched # 6]
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl3088339445d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&selm=36f824aa.40923
19%40news.pilot.infi.net
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http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&selm=tklonsccvt8cdj77o710kog6o396hdh96o%40
4ax.com
George Washington and Religion
http://www.virginiaplaces.org/religiongw.html
Six Historic Americans George Washington
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/john_remsburg/six_historic_americans/chapter_3.html
GEORGE WASHINGTON AND DEISM
http://www.deism.com/washington.htm
George Washington's, Silent Lack of Piety
http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/quotes/washington.htm
What Was Washington's Belief? by Franklin Steiner
http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/steiner0.htm#WASHINGTON
http://www.positiveatheism.org/mail/eml9710.htm
George Washington's Attitude Towards Religion
http://www.bessel.org/gwrelig.htm
[Nellie #1 --- 8-27-00]
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl676151689d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&selm=7v4iqsgne7n0s8g
ii8dsufg0m8adttbb63%404ax.com
[ Nellie #2 --- 8-26-00]
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl2496782560d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&selm=oehfqsc5cgpimo
c04fu3ues8gtbnpi27m3%404ax.com
[Nellie #3 --- 8-26-00]
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl2496782560d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&selm=1XUp5.11972%
24Xg.240374%40news-east.usenetserver.com
[Nellie #4 --- 8-27-00]
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl2184778732d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&selm=WGaq5.24672
%24Xg.668492%40news-east.usenetserver.com
[Nellie #5 --- 8-30-00
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl2184778732d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&selm=N0hr5.36056%
24IM3.804901%40news-east.usenetserver.com
[Nellie #6 --- 8-26-00
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl2184778732d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&selm=8o9p4s%24rkv
%241%40nnrp1.deja.com
[Madison --- 5/18/02]
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl2293211412d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&selm=jo4ceuscvq4regi
cu74ef8m9j04p5h9lu4%404ax.com
[Washington-Bean, --- 5/16/20]
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl206590337d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&selm=lsh8eucp8ttc9sm
ndpcqdnne9d4um7c1dm%404ax.com
[Founders in general, long long post but most complete probably thus far
--- 5/19/02]
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl783259543d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&selm=9creeugfmesftrah
9m1epc0qac46rj0j8l%404ax.com
[Moral intregity, sep c&s, --- 5/16/02]
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl2625133586d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&selm=2th8euo0hqpbv
5lt5603a3cl07emm3r42s%404ax.com
[Madison, very general, reply to his reply to my long Madison --- 5/19/02]
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl2293211412d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&selm=q0jfeu8qhogq06
b0liaanlshdh6kfjggg9%404ax.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&threadm=hin9eu86hf9i9t4dtdv2apnqccqm6f8m03
%404ax.com&rnum=8&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Djalison%2540cox.net-alt.atheism%26hl%3Den
%26btnG%3DGoogle%2BSearch
[Mostly Jefferson, primary/secondary evidence, including old reply to
Gardiner---5/14/02]
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl3825310418d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&selm=53i2eu0fuv023s
9r7r3itsg4839javqgiu%404ax.com
[Jefferson, primary/secondary material --- 5/16/02]
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl3825310418d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&selm=27nceuor6e8g3
dctnk6iqjt7d55brhavgv%404ax.com
[Mostly Jefferson --- 5/15/02]
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl3825310418d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&selm=olj4eu8mi4g43q
jcq3g0fmck5atv7ojntg%404ax.com
[Deism definitions from others --- 5/15/02]
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl671253268d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&selm=p0k4eucgchct6dg
f9lm19hovts9t687ivn%404ax.com
[Thomas Paine --- 5/17/02]
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl2727323779d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&selm=hin9eu86hf9i9t
4dtdv2apnqccqm6f8m03%404ax.com
[George Washington --- 5/17/02]
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl2727323779d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&selm=q0p9eu0qfsbcir
7sj5ikeuo0mtuk7c5rh6%404ax.com
[Orthodox and addressign other so called errors of mine --- 5/19/02]
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl2727323779d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&selm=08ffeuolg7b4en
nn70oign8m3mhmg9dcu7%404ax.com
[Jefferson, more of the correting so called erros of my, more attempts by
postr to creat mountian out of a spec --- 5/20/02]
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl146791123d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&selm=vbtheuc3vacrqkh
94pt41drcgjhldag3gf%404ax.com
[Constitution-Charter-Grant, --- 5/20/02]
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl146791123d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&selm=ddtheuc184uorjh
g2kaf72o0jd4hiq2uvm%404ax.com
[Very short founders in general, James Kent --- 5/14/02]
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl2588822828d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&selm=dsm1eugg233r5
efcr61lpf0ahlai9rm5kp%404ax.com
[Founders in general, long --- 5/16/02]
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl1890475978d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&selm=pgd7eu4qt7i4a8
kuaak2b6abmmt2g3u0b6%404ax.com
[Kent, URLs to web site for comments of other founders, etc --- 5/14/02
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl1890475978d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&selm=o7n1eug0rcng1
n5p7jd2kjhstb6o4dan6e%404ax.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=4gnmfu8pjh8nt62nl3s371rovl8ebbqf14%404ax.com&out
put=gplain
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L.O.C. EXHIBIT (update)
Newsgroups:
soc.history.war.us-revolution,alt.history.colonial,alt.atheism,alt.politics.usa.constitution,
soc.history,alt.deism,alt.atheism,alt.religion.deism,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.history
Subject: L.O.C. EXHIBIT (update)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:14:18 -0400
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=d11tqs02s7dubb5jkbu3r1su3plnfaoq3c%404ax.com&out
put=gplain
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http://www.soncom.com/psonnek/quotes.html
BANK OF WISDOM - Rare Books on CD-ROM
http://www.bank-of-wisdom.com/
Especially CD #7 - America - The Historic Facts, and
CD #9 The Writings of Thomas Jefferson.
From CD # 7
THE RELIGIOUS CORRESPONDENCE of THOMAS JEFFERSON
(In Context)
"REBELLION TO TYRANTS is OBEDIENCE TO GOD" Motto on Jefferson's seal
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tnppage/qtable.htm
http://community.libertynet.org/~iha/valleyforge/youasked/060.htm
http://community.libertynet.org/~iha/valleyforge/washington/prayer.html
http://rowlf.cc.wwu.edu:8080/~stephan/webstuff/twain.html
George Washington
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/ed_buckner/quotations.html
Thomas Jefferson on Politics & Government
52. Freedom of Religion
http://etext.virginia.edu/jefferson/quotations/jeff1650.htm
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The Real Jefferson on Religion by Robert S. Alley
http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/alley_18_4.html
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Thomas Jefferson's Abridgement of the Words of Jesus of Nazareth Compiled
While President of the United States, Introduction and copyrighted by Mark
A. Beliles, (1993)
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Jefferson's Extracts from the Gospels "The Philosophy of Jefferson" and
"The Life and Morals of Jesus." Dickenson W. Adams, Editor, The Papers of
Thomas Jefferson, Princeton University Press, Princeton, N J (1983)
(Bs2549. J5 J43 1983
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Thomas Jefferson and His Library: A Study of His Literary Interests and of
the Religious Attitudes Revealed by Relevant Titles in his Library, Charles
B. Sanford, (Hamden, Conn, 1977)
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Thomas Jefferson Versus Religious Oppression, by Frank Swancara, University
Books N.Y. (1967)
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The Jefferson Bible, with the Annotated Commentaries on Religion of Thomas
Jefferson, O.I.A. Roche, ed. With intro by Henry W. Foote (New York, 1964)
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The Religion of Thomas Jefferson. Henry W. Foote (Boston, Ma. Beacon Press
1960)
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In God We trust; The religious Beliefs and Ideas of the American Founding
Fathers, Norman Cousins, (New York: Harper, 1958).
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Thomas Jefferson: Champion of Religious Freedom, Advocate of Christian
Morals, Henry W. Foote, (Boston, 1947)
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The Wisdom of Thomas Jefferson, including the Jefferson Bible, :The Life
and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth." Ed. Edward Boykin, New York, 1941
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SOME ADDITIONAL REFERENCES and a good source for comparisons between
European and American forms of enlighttenment (Deism, etc)
The Creation of the American Republic, 1776-1787, Gordon S Wood, University
of North Carolina Press (1998)
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The Radicalism of the American Revolution Gordon S Wood, Vintage Books,
(1991)
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Inventing America, Jefferson's Declaration of Independence, Garry Wills ,
Vintage Books (1979)
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The Ideological Origins of the American Revolution, Bernard Bailyn, The
Belknap Press of Harvard University Press (1992)
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Republics Ancient and Modern, Inventions of Prudence: Constituting the
American Regime, By Paul A. Rahe, 3 Vols. The University of North Carolina
Press, Chapel Hill & London (1994)
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