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"Harry Sachz" |
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20 Aug 2003 07:25:16 PM |
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Re: GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREAT article on US 666 |
Kevin Flynn wrote:
Try not to be so condescending. It's not a good fit when you're as
badly exposed on this one as you are. 666 is in need of serious
upgrading; 420 is not. And even so, the number 420 wouldn't lend
itself even a fraction as well as 666 does to the publicity stunts
that you have fallen for hook line and sinker.
Are you really dumb enough to think that NMDOT would be aiming a publicity
stunt at somebody who will probably never drive this road? And to a person
to whom this publicity is negative?
And there are far more potheads than satanists, as I said earlier.
Of course I read your links (the Reuters piece and the AP article that
ran in the other Denver paper), and if you'd bother to read my replies
you'd recall that I replied on-point to them already. To reiterate,
neither of them contained any evidence of this fundamentalist
Christian plot behind the renuimbering that you've allege is behind it
all. It just quoted politicians making-nice at the dedication.
What part of "Transportation leaders from the three Western states all
applied for the change to U.S. 491 because of what some saw as the old
number's satanic connotation." do you not understand?
I think you're just full of bluster at this point, and you really have
no evidence. You're just ranting, while I am simply looking for a
single verifiable fact of fundie involvement. All I've seen so far
indicates there was absolutely no pressure from those quarters at all
-- an apparent non-issue to them, if you will. The change was
motivated by highway officials solely because there was a
comprehensive road project to promote. Deal with it. No boogeyman
here.
If you christians would take the last statement to heart and stop blaming
everything on the fictional "devil", then this sort of thing wouldn't even
be an issue.
--
All I see is racist faces
Misplaced hate makes disgrace the racist
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| User: "Kevin Flynn" |
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| Title: Re: GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREAT article on US 666 |
21 Aug 2003 01:05:01 AM |
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"Harry Sachz" <watuziNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<bi13hf$4258g$1@ID-138129.news.uni-berlin.de>...
Kevin Flynn wrote:
Try not to be so condescending. It's not a good fit when you're as
badly exposed on this one as you are. 666 is in need of serious
upgrading; 420 is not. And even so, the number 420 wouldn't lend
itself even a fraction as well as 666 does to the publicity stunts
that you have fallen for hook line and sinker.
Are you really dumb enough to think that NMDOT would be aiming a publicity
stunt at somebody who will probably never drive this road? And to a person
to whom this publicity is negative?
Don't flatter yourself; NM didn't aim it at you personally. But given
the results so far, it looks like I am correct and you are not.
Listen carefully to what I am telling you before you continue to make
a fool of yourself: I covered this story. I know some of the people
involved in it. I know what I am talking about. You, OTOH as I
discover now because of your other screen name, are a wet-behind the
ears 20-something living in the boonies in Mena AR who has a habit of
making bold assertions but cannot provide a single fact to back them
up. You know nothing about how people try to make their publicity
campaigns work. The fact that you happened to have heard about it is
beside the point -- NM has embarked on an ambitious program to vastly
improve ol' 666, and part of the attention-getting to build public
support has been the renumbering. You're helping it along with your
ramblings.
I can't believe I've been wasting my time trying to have an actual
discussion with a no-nothing *****. I have underwear older than
you, and I should be listening to your expositions on constitutional
law? Can it. Now, instead of launching more personal insults, how
about trying to show one piece of evidenc showing this was a plot by
Christian fundamentalists? The fact that you haven't to date is duly
noted by anyone still crazy enough to be following this stupid
exchange. The fact that public officials made note of the 666 issue in
pushing their dig and pony show *does not* mean that Jerry Falwell's
been pulling the strings, get it? A public outcry from Pat Robinson?
Focus on the Family? That's what is meant by fundie pressure; you made
the charge, now try to back it up.
And there are far more potheads than satanists, as I said earlier.
Beside the point. NM420 is not the object of the project and no one
cares about its number.
What part of "Transportation leaders from the three Western states all
applied for the change to U.S. 491 because of what some saw as the old
number's satanic connotation." do you not understand?
What part of "this is part of the public support-building process for
a massive reconstruction" do *you* not understand? Colorado and Utah
didn't initiate it, they simply agreed to go along with NM since it
was important for the highway project (see my article on it pasted
below). It was dressed up in publicity so effective it has you going
apoplectic and trying to be a junior constitutional scholar.
The only group I ever found that actually lobbied for years for the
change was the Navajo Nation -- certainly not a Christian
fundamentalist group. And the Native American complaints about the
highway (its condition as well as its designation) they were ignored
until Richardson was elected and decided to use the issue as part of
the project's publicity.
It's called smart politics. It got play all over the country, and has
moved up on the priority list with the public backing gained by the
publicity. See, it worked.
You, OTOH, are simply making things up.
I think you're just full of bluster at this point, and you really have
no evidence. You're just ranting, while I am simply looking for a
single verifiable fact of fundie involvement. All I've seen so far
indicates there was absolutely no pressure from those quarters at all
-- an apparent non-issue to them, if you will. The change was
motivated by highway officials solely because there was a
comprehensive road project to promote. Deal with it. No boogeyman
here.
If you christians would take the last statement to heart and stop blaming
everything on the fictional "devil", then this sort of thing wouldn't even
be an issue.
Why are you lumping me in with the Christians? That shows a poor level
of reading comprehension on your part, which I now can understand. I
have never in any of my posts stated anything that would even remotely
link me with any position except that this is part of the publicity. I
never supported the change, nor opposed it; I don't care one way or
another. I merely reported on it. You're the one labeling me falsely
and seeing boogeymen no one else can seem to find and you can't name.
You remind me of the bumper sticker, "Hire a teenager while they still
now everything." Live a few more years, kid, and you'll gain some
wisdom.
Here's an article that might put things in perspective for you:
This article is © 2003 ROCKY MOUNTAIN NEWS
'SATAN'S HIGHWAY' HAS
DEVILISH NAME PROBLEM
Date: Monday, February 17, 2003
Section: City Desk/Local
Page: 10A
Illustration: Map
Source: By Kevin Flynn
ROCKY MOUNTAIN NEWS
Edition: Final
You could say Colorado has a ``devil-may-care'' attitude to a name
change for U.S. 666.
The 194-mile ribbon of road from New Mexico to Utah through
southwestern Colorado carries the unfortunate nickname of ``Satan's
Highway.'' That's because ``666'' is the ``number of the beast'' in
the
Bible's Book of Revelation.
(NOTE TO JEREMY: RE-READ THIS NEXT SECTIUON SEVERAL TIMES UNTIL YOU
UNDERSTAND)
The governor of New Mexico wants to widen the road and change
its number. Stacey Stegman, spokeswoman for the Colorado
Department of Transportation, said the state isn't standing in the
way
of New Mexico's request, although it's not a burning controversy
here.
``The problem is the road is hilly and narrow with a lot of blind
spots,'' said S.U. Mahesh, spokesman for the New Mexico Highway
and Transportation Department. ``It mixes fast-flowing traffic with
slow-moving local traffic.
``And the name doesn't help.''
Twenty-one people were killed and 145 injured in 2000-2001 on
the New Mexico portion alone. The road runs north from Gallup,
N.M., into Cortez then turns northwest through Dove Creek and on
to Monticello, Utah.
New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson is proposing to expand the 107
miles from Gallup to the Colorado border from two to four lanes,
and to change the route number.
New Mexico hopes to get tacit support from Colorado and Utah
when it takes its renumbering plea to the American Association of
State Highway and Transportation Officials this summer. The
organization is in charge of the U.S. highway numbering process.
Tom Weaver, county administrator for Montezuma County in
Cortez, said that folks there seem undisturbed by the 666
designation, which was pinned on the road in the original 1926 U.S.
highway numbering plan. But he agreed that U.S. 666 is a killer
stretch of road.
``We've had a lot of fatalities on our stretch, too,'' Weaver said.
``It's
a terrible piece of roadway.''
In 1999, the Colorado Department of Transportation polled local
communities when New Mexico first asked about changing the
number.
Only Dove Creek and Dolores County officials bothered to reply,
Stegman said.
``Both said they didn't have an opinion on the change, but would
probably rather see the road fixed instead,'' Stegman said.
When the local newspaper published a notice asking for public input,
CDOT got only four replies. Only one person, a Cortez resident,
endorsed changing the number. The other three, two from Cortez
and one from Dolores, said to keep 666.
Richard Weingroff, the unofficial historian of the Federal Highway
Administration, wrote recently that the route of U.S. 666 was
originally part of the rugged Navajo Trail.
But how it got to be Satan's Highway had nothing at all to do with
the Book of Revelation.
Rather, it had everything to do with how the federal highways
received their route numbers.
U.S. 666 is a spawn of the famous Route 66. Originally, U.S. 66 -
where drivers got their kicks from Chicago to Santa Monica, Calif. -
was penciled in as U.S. 60.
The 1926 numbering system called for principal east-west highways
to have two-digit, even numbers. Branch routes off these main
highways were to be given a prefix number, starting with ``1'' for
the
easternmost branch and increasing westward.
The Gallup-Cortez route was the fifth branch highway along
proposed U.S. 60, which passed through Gallup, and hence was first
supposed to be U.S. 560.
But two things happened to make it 666.
First, eastern highway lobbyists successfully argued to designate the
main road from Virginia Beach to Los Angeles as U.S. 60.
That resulted in renumbering the road from Chicago to Santa Monica
as U.S. 66. Then before the plan was finished, another branch route
off U.S. 66 was selected to the east of the Gallup-Cortez highway,
which the numbering protocol then made ``666'' - the sixth branch
route off of Route 66.
U.S. 66 was decommissioned in 1985, but road fans keep it alive as
a historic route. With no ``mother road'' from which to branch off,
U.S. 666 is a highway-numbering orphan.
New Mexico has not suggested a new number for the highway. But
one candidate that would be consistent with the old system would be
U.S. 164.
That's because the road crosses U.S. 64 in Shiprock, N.M., giving
the orphaned road a mother's name.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREAT article on US 666 |
22 Aug 2003 10:49:20 AM |
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On 20 Aug 2003 23:05:01 -0700, (Kevin
Flynn), Message ID: <71e3923f.0308202205.cceee91@posting.google.com>
wrote in alt.atheism;
"Harry Sachz" <watuziNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<bi13hf$4258g$1@ID-138129.news.uni-berlin.de>...
Kevin Flynn wrote:
Try not to be so condescending. It's not a good fit when you're as
badly exposed on this one as you are. 666 is in need of serious
upgrading; 420 is not. And even so, the number 420 wouldn't lend
itself even a fraction as well as 666 does to the publicity stunts
that you have fallen for hook line and sinker.
Are you really dumb enough to think that NMDOT would be aiming a publicity
stunt at somebody who will probably never drive this road? And to a person
to whom this publicity is negative?
Don't flatter yourself; NM didn't aim it at you personally. But given
the results so far, it looks like I am correct and you are not.
Listen carefully to what I am telling you before you continue to make
a fool of yourself: I covered this story. I know some of the people
involved in it. I know what I am talking about. You, OTOH as I
discover now because of your other screen name, are a wet-behind the
ears 20-something living in the boonies in Mena AR who has a habit of
making bold assertions but cannot provide a single fact to back them
up. You know nothing about how people try to make their publicity
campaigns work. The fact that you happened to have heard about it is
beside the point -- NM has embarked on an ambitious program to vastly
improve ol' 666, and part of the attention-getting to build public
support has been the renumbering. You're helping it along with your
ramblings.
(snip)
Beside the point. NM420 is not the object of the project and no one
cares about its number.
What part of "Transportation leaders from the three Western states all
applied for the change to U.S. 491 because of what some saw as the old
number's satanic connotation." do you not understand?
What part of "this is part of the public support-building process for
a massive reconstruction" do *you* not understand? Colorado and Utah
didn't initiate it, they simply agreed to go along with NM since it
was important for the highway project (see my article on it pasted
below). It was dressed up in publicity so effective it has you going
apoplectic and trying to be a junior constitutional scholar.
(snip)
If you christians would take the last statement to heart and stop blaming
everything on the fictional "devil", then this sort of thing wouldn't even
be an issue.
Why are you lumping me in with the Christians? That shows a poor level
of reading comprehension on your part, which I now can understand. I
have never in any of my posts stated anything that would even remotely
link me with any position except that this is part of the publicity. I
never supported the change, nor opposed it; I don't care one way or
another. I merely reported on it. You're the one labeling me falsely
and seeing boogeymen no one else can seem to find and you can't name.
You remind me of the bumper sticker, "Hire a teenager while they still
now everything." Live a few more years, kid, and you'll gain some
wisdom.
Here's an article that might put things in perspective for you:
This article is © 2003 ROCKY MOUNTAIN NEWS
'SATAN'S HIGHWAY' HAS
DEVILISH NAME PROBLEM
Date: Monday, February 17, 2003
Section: City Desk/Local
Page: 10A
Illustration: Map
Source: By Kevin Flynn
ROCKY MOUNTAIN NEWS
Edition: Final
You could say Colorado has a ``devil-may-care'' attitude to a name
change for U.S. 666.
The 194-mile ribbon of road from New Mexico to Utah through
southwestern Colorado carries the unfortunate nickname of ``Satan's
Highway.'' That's because ``666'' is the ``number of the beast'' in
the
Bible's Book of Revelation.
(NOTE TO JEREMY: RE-READ THIS NEXT SECTIUON SEVERAL TIMES UNTIL YOU
UNDERSTAND)
Interesting article, Kevin. Thank you for posting it.
(snip)
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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