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18 Nov 2003 06:47:27 AM |
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Re: Hating America Is Being A Democrat |
"pkgojak" <pkgojak@mydeja.com> wrote in message
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I can't agree with you. Bush has done remarkably well under the
circumstances.
you nincompoop. name one thing bush has done remarkably well and why, if
he's done so well in Iraq is he planning to get out immediately?
You Democrat *****. Nobody is planning to "get out immediately" in Iraq,
except perhaps those Muslim Terrorists who have been ID'd by American troops
and are thus now on the run. Then there's the economy. President Bush, in
a remarkably short period of time, has turned the Clinton Recession around
and has led our economy to the HIGHEST GROWTH RATE IN 19 YEARS. By way of
contrast, Clinton was handed a relatively healthy economy and proceeded to
trash it, causing the federal debt to rise every year of his term of office
and reducing the annual GDP growth rate to less than 1% by the time Clinton
left office.
It's no wonder the American People don't want the Democrats anywhere near
the economy or national defense.
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18 Nov 2003 08:18:49 AM |
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"BW" <bw4@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"pkgojak" <pkgojak@mydeja.com> wrote in message
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I can't agree with you. Bush has done remarkably well under the
circumstances.
you nincompoop. name one thing bush has done remarkably well and why,
if
he's done so well in Iraq is he planning to get out immediately?
You Democrat *****. Nobody is planning to "get out immediately" in
Iraq,
except perhaps those Muslim Terrorists who have been ID'd by American
troops
and are thus now on the run. Then there's the economy. President Bush,
in
a remarkably short period of time, has turned the Clinton Recession around
and has led our economy to the HIGHEST GROWTH RATE IN 19 YEARS.
Fueled by a 45% increase in defense spending, the biggest increase since the
Korean War.
By way of
contrast, Clinton was handed a relatively healthy economy and proceeded to
trash it, causing the federal debt to rise every year of his term of
office
and reducing the annual GDP growth rate to less than 1% by the time
Clinton
left office.
Clinton policies resulted in the first government surplus in over 30 years,
i.e. a reduction in federal debt. This resulted in the lowest interest rates
during an economic since WW2.
GDP trends were positive for every year Clinton was in office after 7 years
of decline under the Republicans resulted in a GDP of -1%.
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| User: "BW" |
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18 Nov 2003 09:42:36 AM |
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"Geoff Offermann" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
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"BW" <bw4@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"pkgojak" <pkgojak@mydeja.com> wrote in message
news:3fb9ef40_8@news.athenanews.com...
I can't agree with you. Bush has done remarkably well under the
circumstances.
you nincompoop. name one thing bush has done remarkably well and
why,
if
he's done so well in Iraq is he planning to get out immediately?
You Democrat *****. Nobody is planning to "get out immediately" in
Iraq,
except perhaps those Muslim Terrorists who have been ID'd by American
troops
and are thus now on the run. Then there's the economy. President Bush,
in
a remarkably short period of time, has turned the Clinton Recession
around
and has led our economy to the HIGHEST GROWTH RATE IN 19 YEARS.
Fueled by a 45% increase in defense spending, the biggest increase since
the
Korean War.
That's fine. In fact, it's MORE than fiine. There is NO more important
task for the federal government than to maintain order and protect America.
Democrats have never understood that. Democrats see the federal government
as some sort of gigantic transfer of wealth system whereby money is taken
away from the Working Class and their families and given to the lazy and the
shiftless.
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| User: "Jeff Jones" |
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18 Nov 2003 06:10:07 PM |
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"BW" <bw4@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Geoff Offermann" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
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"BW" <bw4@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"pkgojak" <pkgojak@mydeja.com> wrote in message
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I can't agree with you. Bush has done remarkably well under the
circumstances.
you nincompoop. name one thing bush has done remarkably well and
why,
if
he's done so well in Iraq is he planning to get out immediately?
You Democrat *****. Nobody is planning to "get out immediately" in
Iraq,
except perhaps those Muslim Terrorists who have been ID'd by American
troops
and are thus now on the run. Then there's the economy. President
Bush,
in
a remarkably short period of time, has turned the Clinton Recession
around
and has led our economy to the HIGHEST GROWTH RATE IN 19 YEARS.
Fueled by a 45% increase in defense spending, the biggest increase since
the
Korean War.
That's fine. In fact, it's MORE than fiine. There is NO more important
task for the federal government than to maintain order and protect
America.
Democrats have never understood that. Democrats see the federal
government
as some sort of gigantic transfer of wealth system whereby money is taken
away from the Working Class and their families and given to the lazy and
the
shiftless.
What are you???? 12? 13?
Jeff Jones
Austin, Texas
aa #2044
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| User: "Geoff Offermann" |
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18 Nov 2003 10:24:22 AM |
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"BW" <bw4@verizon.net> wrote in message
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a remarkably short period of time, has turned the Clinton Recession
around
and has led our economy to the HIGHEST GROWTH RATE IN 19 YEARS.
Fueled by a 45% increase in defense spending, the biggest increase since
the
Korean War.
That's fine. In fact, it's MORE than fiine. There is NO more important
task for the federal government than to maintain order and protect
America.
Democrats have never understood that. Democrats see the federal
government
as some sort of gigantic transfer of wealth system whereby money is taken
away from the Working Class and their families and given to the lazy and
the
shiftless.
And Republicans want to take it away from the middle class and give it to
the lying, evil rich (hey, if you're going to resort to prejudicial
generalizations, than so will I).
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| User: "Roger Andrews" |
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18 Nov 2003 01:47:56 PM |
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"BW" <bw4@verizon.net> wrote in message news:<M5rub.180276
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That's fine. In fact, it's MORE than fiine. There is NO more important
task for the federal government than to maintain order and protect America.
Democrats have never understood that. Democrats see the federal government
as some sort of gigantic transfer of wealth system whereby money is taken
away from the Working Class and their families and given to the lazy and the
shiftless.
As opposed the the Republicans who take money from the working class
and the poor and give it to the already wealthy?
Roger
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| User: "DLC" |
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18 Nov 2003 02:02:26 PM |
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As opposed the the Republicans who take money from the working class and
the poor and give it to the already wealthy?
How could that be? If the working class and poor had money to take they
wouldn't be working class and poor.
Just like, how do you cut taxes for people who don't pay any? Maybe a tax
cut for only those who pay taxes, that sure screws those poor bastards.
Or, I'm sure you work for the poorest damn company you could get a job
with, right?
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| User: "Roger Andrews" |
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19 Nov 2003 08:49:06 AM |
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"DLC" <eshark00@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<mVuub.5997$n56.4412@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
As opposed the the Republicans who take money from the working class and
the poor and give it to the already wealthy?
How could that be? If the working class and poor had money to take they
wouldn't be working class and poor.
Just like, how do you cut taxes for people who don't pay any? Maybe a tax
cut for only those who pay taxes, that sure screws those poor bastards.
It's called unfair income taxes, tax cuts, and tax breaks.
Or, I'm sure you work for the poorest damn company you could get a job
with, right?
Actully I work for a lieing, manipulative company right now. The US Government.
Roger
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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18 Nov 2003 11:00:01 PM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:02:26 GMT, a stranger
called by some "DLC" <eshark00@hotmail.com> came forth and told this
tale in alt.atheism
As opposed the the Republicans who take money from the working class and
the poor and give it to the already wealthy?
How could that be? If the working class and poor had money to take they
wouldn't be working class and poor.
We're not penniless beggars. We do have incomes, you know.
Just like, how do you cut taxes for people who don't pay any? Maybe a tax
cut for only those who pay taxes, that sure screws those poor bastards.
LOL! Ever hear of the Federal income tax? We get it deducted from
our paychecks. Then, at the end of the year, we get part of it back
when we file our 1040s. That's unless you actually owed more.than you
paid in.
Thing is, there are hundreds of tax breaks. Most of which are only
effective for people with incomes of over $75,000 a year. While they
technically pay a higher base rate, a half-way decent tax accountant
can reduce their tax burdern to nothing.
(So speaketh a graduate of the H%R Block tax preparer course.)
Say you inherit 100 million bucks. That's after the inheretence
taxes. A good accountant can set you up with a cool few hundred
thousand a year in nearly tax-free income, while your principle sits
in long-term investments getting larger. Avoid any massive payouts
(like buying the Yankess and moving them to Des Moines, Iowa for fun.)
and you may never pay another cent in state or federal income taxes.
Or, I'm sure you work for the poorest damn company you could get a job
with, right?
No, we take the damn jobs we can find.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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| User: "Rico" |
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19 Nov 2003 03:23:24 PM |
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In article <antlrv01k8nc0rhnqlf8at86ktpr0r6oca@4ax.com>, Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Lo, many moons past, on Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:02:26 GMT, a stranger
called by some "DLC" <eshark00@hotmail.com> came forth and told this
tale in alt.atheism
As opposed the the Republicans who take money from the working class and
the poor and give it to the already wealthy?
How could that be? If the working class and poor had money to take they
wouldn't be working class and poor.
We're not penniless beggars. We do have incomes, you know.
Not when bush and the republicans get done with you.
Just like, how do you cut taxes for people who don't pay any? Maybe a tax
cut for only those who pay taxes, that sure screws those poor bastards.
LOL! Ever hear of the Federal income tax? We get it deducted from
our paychecks. Then, at the end of the year, we get part of it back
when we file our 1040s. That's unless you actually owed more.than you
paid in.
Thing is, there are hundreds of tax breaks. Most of which are only
effective for people with incomes of over $75,000 a year. While they
technically pay a higher base rate, a half-way decent tax accountant
can reduce their tax burdern to nothing.
(So speaketh a graduate of the H%R Block tax preparer course.)
Say you inherit 100 million bucks. That's after the inheretence
taxes. A good accountant can set you up with a cool few hundred
thousand a year in nearly tax-free income, while your principle sits
in long-term investments getting larger. Avoid any massive payouts
(like buying the Yankess and moving them to Des Moines, Iowa for fun.)
and you may never pay another cent in state or federal income taxes.
Or, I'm sure you work for the poorest damn company you could get a job
with, right?
No, we take the damn jobs we can find.
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| User: "BW" |
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19 Nov 2003 03:41:06 PM |
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"Rico" <rico_001@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:vrnnqsjmadu79@corp.supernews.com...
In article <antlrv01k8nc0rhnqlf8at86ktpr0r6oca@4ax.com>, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Lo, many moons past, on Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:02:26 GMT, a stranger
called by some "DLC" <eshark00@hotmail.com> came forth and told this
tale in alt.atheism
As opposed the the Republicans who take money from the working class
and
the poor and give it to the already wealthy?
How could that be? If the working class and poor had money to take they
wouldn't be working class and poor.
We're not penniless beggars. We do have incomes, you know.
Not when bush and the republicans get done with you.
Actually, with each passing day it's more a matter of what the Democrat
Party is going to look like when the blacks get done with the Democrats. As
it is now, over 75% of blacks oppose same-sex "marriage", yet the Democrat
Party has cozied up to homosexuals and has been a big advocate of so-called
"gay rights" for years and years. The Democrat Party may have bitten off
more than it can chew this time.
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| User: "Paul" |
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18 Nov 2003 02:09:09 PM |
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On 18 Nov 2003 11:47:56 -0800, (Roger Andrews)
wrote:
As opposed the the Republicans who take money from the working class
and the poor and give it to the already wealthy?
Roger
It's a funny thing Roger, my wife and I both work full time and our
combined income falls decidedly to the lower side of middle income
range and we've gotten checks two years in a row and watched our tax
liability drop significantly as well since Bush kept his promises...
As opposed to watching a greater percentage of our earning get chewed
up by taxes year after year while Clinton was in office.
And that's the real beauty of this particular issue: where as people
might have to guess on the murky issues of intellegence and WMDs,
everyone who works can look at their paychecks to see the truth on
this one...
At the same time seeing what a miserable, disreputable, morally and
ethically bankrupt sack of dung you are each time repeat your canned
Democrat Party lie.
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| User: "Geoff Offermann" |
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18 Nov 2003 06:41:53 PM |
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"Paul" <nothing_here@4_you_.spammer.boy> wrote in message
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On 18 Nov 2003 11:47:56 -0800, (Roger Andrews)
wrote:
As opposed the the Republicans who take money from the working class
and the poor and give it to the already wealthy?
Roger
It's a funny thing Roger, my wife and I both work full time and our
combined income falls decidedly to the lower side of middle income
range and we've gotten checks two years in a row and watched our tax
liability drop significantly as well since Bush kept his promises...
Well, that is indeed short sighted. The balooning deficit will mean (has to
mean) that interest rates will likely rise above 7 % within the next 3 - 4
years as private and corporate borrowers will have to compete with the
government.
Also, giving tax cuts now and leaving debt burden later is like taking out a
2nd mortgage to put cash in your checking account.
But, I don't expect most American to be able to see beyond this facade of
the giveaway. Neither do Republicans.
Instead of making tough decisions being tough on debt, they've chosen the
easy route (again) to reelection. What happened the last time? Do you
remember double digit interest rates? Do you have ANY clue what that does to
the economy? What that does to the ability of businesses to float notes? The
cumulative effect on GDP?
Real GDP averaged over 3% for the entire Clinton administration. It never
went below 2.5%.
What do you think is going to happen to your state income taxes when Bush
turns of aid to the states who by law cannot run deficits like the federal
government?
As opposed to watching a greater percentage of our earning get chewed
up by taxes year after year while Clinton was in office.
Well since you say your family is a lower tax bracket, you should not have
seen ANY change in your taxes in the 90's. The last time it was increased
for the lowest bracket was by the Reagan administration in 1987.
And that's the real beauty of this particular issue: where as people
might have to guess on the murky issues of intellegence and WMDs,
everyone who works can look at their paychecks to see the truth on
this one...
Hah...the truth is a bit murkier than you think.
At the same time seeing what a miserable, disreputable, morally and
ethically bankrupt sack of dung you are each time repeat your canned
Democrat Party lie.
Ah...ad hominem attacks complete the Republican effect.
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| User: "Paul" |
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19 Nov 2003 08:56:50 AM |
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Geoff Offermann wrote:
It's a funny thing Roger, my wife and I both work full time and our
combined income falls decidedly to the lower side of middle income
range and we've gotten checks two years in a row and watched our tax
liability drop significantly as well since Bush kept his promises...
Well, that is indeed short sighted. The balooning deficit will mean (has to
mean) that interest rates will likely rise above 7 % within the next 3 - 4
years as private and corporate borrowers will have to compete with the
government.
A most unartful dodge.
My comments made to no position on the soundness of tax cuts or their
ultimate effect... none what so ever.
I'm simply pointing out the cold hard reality that no matter how often
Democrats insist on trotting out the lie that Bush gave tax to the
wealthy it is everyday working people who simply have to look at their
paychecks to no the truth.
Believe what you want about the cuts, it doesn't change the fact that
there is to great a divergence between the propaganda of "tax cuts for
the wealthy" and the reality of who benefited from them for Democrats
to be able to get away with repeating the lie without exposing
themselves as liars.
As opposed to watching a greater percentage of our earning get chewed
up by taxes year after year while Clinton was in office.
Well since you say your family is a lower tax bracket, you should not have
seen ANY change in your taxes in the 90's. The last time it was increased
for the lowest bracket was by the Reagan administration in 1987.
Again, the difference between what Democrats want people to believe
and what we experience first hand.
As with most people in our tax bracket who worked through out the 90's
we received raises, promotions etc and with each "increase" in wages a
greater percentage of our incomes went to feed the federal beast.
Find me a working family who hasn't experienced at some point in their
lives the disappointment of having received a significant raise only
to realize they didn't get the money they thought they would because
they wre suddenly pushed into a higher bracket and the federal bite
was that much bigger. All us will recall vividly Al Gore trying to
explain under questioning how a family of four earning $80K a year
qualified as wealthy in his administration mind and was deserving of a
tax increase - they'll probably also remember his explanation that if
they continued to earn at that rate over an extended period of time
eventually their incomes would total a million dollars and thus be
millionaires.
Working during the 90's while Bill Clinton levied tax after tax on
working people was like swimming up stream. And no matter how the DNC
wants to spin it I, we, others can simply lay a decade + worth of tax
forms out side by side and see the modest increases in gross pay being
swallowed up by bigger and bigger bites of federal taxes each year...
Until GWB that is.
Like I said, there are lots of issues where people have to use some
judgment, put some faith in the truthfulness of the people they're
listening to in order to decide who's right and whose wrong. On the
issue of taxes and whether Democrat Party claims that GWB gave tax
breaks only to the wealthy we only need look at our paychecks and tax
forms...
And when they do people will begin to understand why they should
question the honesty of Democrats on everything else as well.
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| User: "Marie A." |
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19 Nov 2003 01:40:32 PM |
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Paul <nothing_here@4_you_.spammer.boy> wrote in message news:<7p0nrv0ke9khmggqfh8t2bhmsstn4u4crs@4ax.com>...
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As with most people in our tax bracket who worked through out the 90's
we received raises, promotions etc and with each "increase" in wages a
greater percentage of our incomes went to feed the federal beast.
Find me a working family who hasn't experienced at some point in their
lives the disappointment of having received a significant raise only
to realize they didn't get the money they thought they would because
they wre suddenly pushed into a higher bracket and the federal bite
was that much bigger. All us will recall vividly Al Gore trying to
explain under questioning how a family of four earning $80K a year
qualified as wealthy in his administration mind and was deserving of a
tax increase - they'll probably also remember his explanation that if
they continued to earn at that rate over an extended period of time
eventually their incomes would total a million dollars and thus be
millionaires.
Working during the 90's while Bill Clinton levied tax after tax on
working people was like swimming up stream. And no matter how the DNC
wants to spin it I, we, others can simply lay a decade + worth of tax
forms out side by side and see the modest increases in gross pay being
swallowed up by bigger and bigger bites of federal taxes each year...
Until GWB that is.
Like I said, there are lots of issues where people have to use some
judgment, put some faith in the truthfulness of the people they're
listening to in order to decide who's right and whose wrong. On the
issue of taxes and whether Democrat Party claims that GWB gave tax
breaks only to the wealthy we only need look at our paychecks and tax
forms...
And when they do people will begin to understand why they should
question the honesty of Democrats on everything else as well.
Very, very good post, Paul. Democrats, all of them, have NEVER met a
tax hike they didn't instantly fall in love with. And the way they
they sell these tax hikes is by convincing those receiving government
handouts and entitlements of some sort to vote for them. Effectively,
sir, one half the country is now stealing from the other half. This is
why we're now taxed the way we are. In the mid- fifties, the effective
federal income tax rate for middle class people was about 6%. Many
states now have effective rates much higher than that. Government, at
all levels, is now taking about half of what we earn. And the
democrats LOVE it!
Cordially, Marie
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| User: "JC Martin" |
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21 Nov 2003 11:59:25 AM |
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"Marie A." <LetEmEatWMDs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Very, very good post, Paul. Democrats, all of them, have NEVER met a
tax hike they didn't instantly fall in love with. And the way they
they sell these tax hikes is by convincing those receiving government
handouts and entitlements of some sort to vote for them. Effectively,
sir, one half the country is now stealing from the other half. This is
why we're now taxed the way we are. In the mid- fifties, the effective
federal income tax rate for middle class people was about 6%.
Kind of hard to keep that rate when the Republicans are giving defense
contractors, energy and pharmaceutical companies extreme amounts of our
money. Perhaps if these right-wing politicians weren't so corrupt we could
negotiate fairer fees.
-JC
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| User: "BW" |
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21 Nov 2003 12:13:13 PM |
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"JC Martin" <jcmartin@sonic.net> wrote in message
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"Marie A." <LetEmEatWMDs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Very, very good post, Paul. Democrats, all of them, have NEVER met a
tax hike they didn't instantly fall in love with. And the way they
they sell these tax hikes is by convincing those receiving government
handouts and entitlements of some sort to vote for them. Effectively,
sir, one half the country is now stealing from the other half. This is
why we're now taxed the way we are. In the mid- fifties, the effective
federal income tax rate for middle class people was about 6%.
Kind of hard to keep that rate when the Republicans are giving defense
contractors, energy and pharmaceutical companies extreme amounts of our
money.
The percentage of our money that is given to defense contractors, and to
energy and pharmaceutical companies is less than the percentage of your
money that is given elsewhere.....
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| User: "JC Martin" |
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21 Nov 2003 03:14:52 PM |
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"BW" <bw4@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"JC Martin" <jcmartin@sonic.net> wrote in message
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"Marie A." <LetEmEatWMDs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Very, very good post, Paul. Democrats, all of them, have NEVER met a
tax hike they didn't instantly fall in love with. And the way they
they sell these tax hikes is by convincing those receiving government
handouts and entitlements of some sort to vote for them. Effectively,
sir, one half the country is now stealing from the other half. This is
why we're now taxed the way we are. In the mid- fifties, the effective
federal income tax rate for middle class people was about 6%.
Kind of hard to keep that rate when the Republicans are giving defense
contractors, energy and pharmaceutical companies extreme amounts of our
money.
The percentage of our money that is given to defense contractors, and to
energy and pharmaceutical companies is less than the percentage of your
money that is given elsewhere.....
Elsewhere??? As if some generic heading like that shows a fair comparison.
Fact is that a sizable part of our budget funds these interests including
kick-backs and corporate welfare.
-JC
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19 Nov 2003 02:06:48 PM |
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Whether or not you can see it, there is a growing disparity between the rich
and the poor in america. Do you have a red wig? mark
"Marie A." <LetEmEatWMDs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Paul <nothing_here@4_you_.spammer.boy> wrote in message
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(snip)
As with most people in our tax bracket who worked through out the 90's
we received raises, promotions etc and with each "increase" in wages a
greater percentage of our incomes went to feed the federal beast.
Find me a working family who hasn't experienced at some point in their
lives the disappointment of having received a significant raise only
to realize they didn't get the money they thought they would because
they wre suddenly pushed into a higher bracket and the federal bite
was that much bigger. All us will recall vividly Al Gore trying to
explain under questioning how a family of four earning $80K a year
qualified as wealthy in his administration mind and was deserving of a
tax increase - they'll probably also remember his explanation that if
they continued to earn at that rate over an extended period of time
eventually their incomes would total a million dollars and thus be
millionaires.
Working during the 90's while Bill Clinton levied tax after tax on
working people was like swimming up stream. And no matter how the DNC
wants to spin it I, we, others can simply lay a decade + worth of tax
forms out side by side and see the modest increases in gross pay being
swallowed up by bigger and bigger bites of federal taxes each year...
Until GWB that is.
Like I said, there are lots of issues where people have to use some
judgment, put some faith in the truthfulness of the people they're
listening to in order to decide who's right and whose wrong. On the
issue of taxes and whether Democrat Party claims that GWB gave tax
breaks only to the wealthy we only need look at our paychecks and tax
forms...
And when they do people will begin to understand why they should
question the honesty of Democrats on everything else as well.
Very, very good post, Paul. Democrats, all of them, have NEVER met a
tax hike they didn't instantly fall in love with. And the way they
they sell these tax hikes is by convincing those receiving government
handouts and entitlements of some sort to vote for them. Effectively,
sir, one half the country is now stealing from the other half. This is
why we're now taxed the way we are. In the mid- fifties, the effective
federal income tax rate for middle class people was about 6%. Many
states now have effective rates much higher than that. Government, at
all levels, is now taking about half of what we earn. And the
democrats LOVE it!
Cordially, Marie
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| User: "Paul" |
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19 Nov 2003 02:56:33 PM |
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When my wife or I work overtime, we pay more in taxes. When we earn
interest on a savings account, we pay more in taxes... the harder we
work the more we pay. While we struggle to save enough to buy a home
our rent goes up, people who already own homes and have a huge
financial benefit get a tax break.
When a rich person makes more their accountants make sure they pay
nothing, they buy property and they invest in tax shelters they have
the tools and the means to hide their money and when they die their
children get it and the beat goes on.
The understanding that income taxes were harmful to middle and lower
classes as well and corrupting towards government is why the founding
fathers barred their use when they wrote the Constitution and wrote
extensively on the use of consumption taxes to fund government.
Yes I'm please GWB cut my taxes and it helps a lot, but one should not
mistake that as an appreciation of the tax system as it exists... a
system molded and crafted for more than forty years by Democrats with
an eye toward enhancing their own power.
Anyone who tells you they want to help the poor or middle class by
raising income taxes on the wealthy is a liar who's gambling that most
people don't understand the code and how it works.
If there is ever going to be an effort to address the gap between rich
and poor it will have to begin with the elimination of income taxes
and the use of consumption taxes in their place.
Rich people buy more, they buy more expensive stuff and their
accountants can't get them of the hook - ever.
"It is a signal advantage of taxes on articles of consumption that
they contain in their own nature a security against excess. . . . If
duties are too high, they lessen the consumption; the collection is
eluded; and the product to the treasury is not so great as when they
are confined within proper and moderate bounds. This forms a complete
barrier against any material oppression of the citizens of this class,
and is itself a natural limitation of the power of imposing them."
Alexander Hamilton
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| User: "loaferboss" |
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19 Nov 2003 01:50:29 PM |
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in article 1dc521ed.0311191140.5927fa10@posting.google.com, Marie A. at
LetEmEatWMDs@yahoo.com wrote on 11/19/03 3:40 PM:
Paul <nothing_here@4_you_.spammer.boy> wrote in message
news:<7p0nrv0ke9khmggqfh8t2bhmsstn4u4crs@4ax.com>...
(snip)
As with most people in our tax bracket who worked through out the 90's
we received raises, promotions etc and with each "increase" in wages a
greater percentage of our incomes went to feed the federal beast.
Find me a working family who hasn't experienced at some point in their
lives the disappointment of having received a significant raise only
to realize they didn't get the money they thought they would because
they wre suddenly pushed into a higher bracket and the federal bite
was that much bigger. All us will recall vividly Al Gore trying to
explain under questioning how a family of four earning $80K a year
qualified as wealthy in his administration mind and was deserving of a
tax increase - they'll probably also remember his explanation that if
they continued to earn at that rate over an extended period of time
eventually their incomes would total a million dollars and thus be
millionaires.
Working during the 90's while Bill Clinton levied tax after tax on
working people was like swimming up stream. And no matter how the DNC
wants to spin it I, we, others can simply lay a decade + worth of tax
forms out side by side and see the modest increases in gross pay being
swallowed up by bigger and bigger bites of federal taxes each year...
Until GWB that is.
Like I said, there are lots of issues where people have to use some
judgment, put some faith in the truthfulness of the people they're
listening to in order to decide who's right and whose wrong. On the
issue of taxes and whether Democrat Party claims that GWB gave tax
breaks only to the wealthy we only need look at our paychecks and tax
forms...
And when they do people will begin to understand why they should
question the honesty of Democrats on everything else as well.
Effectively, sir, one half the country is now stealing from the other half
Yes ... the rich from the poor ... so good of you to notice, Marie A. :)
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| User: "Marie A." |
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19 Nov 2003 03:42:43 PM |
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loaferboss <loaferboss@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<BBE141C4.A62B%loaferboss@comcast.net>...
Effectively, sir, one half the country is now stealing from the other half
Yes ... the rich from the poor ... so good of you to notice, Marie A. :)
The poor, by definition, cannot be stolen from for they have nothing
of value to steal, the vast majority of them being poor through their
own fault. They create nothing, except little chillun' we have to
support and votes for the democrats, that is.
Cordially, Marie
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| User: "BW" |
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19 Nov 2003 03:51:34 PM |
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"Marie A." <LetEmEatWMDs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1dc521ed.0311191342.1b8a74ff@posting.google.com...
loaferboss <loaferboss@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:<BBE141C4.A62B%loaferboss@comcast.net>...
Effectively, sir, one half the country is now stealing from the other
half
Yes ... the rich from the poor ... so good of you to notice, Marie A. :)
The poor, by definition, cannot be stolen from for they have nothing
of value to steal, the vast majority of them being poor through their
own fault. They create nothing, except little chillun' we have to
support and votes for the democrats, that is.
Cordially, Marie
NOW HOLD ON THERE JUST A SECOND, Marie! Who told you you could post at the
same time I am? Remember, the Democrats here keep insisting that you and I
are "the same person". You kind of shatter that faith belief of theirs when
you insist on posting at the same time I am.
Please correct your posting patterns such that you not burst any more Demmie
bubbles. Thank you for your cooperation in this matter.
warmly,
BW
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| User: "jwk" |
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19 Nov 2003 01:42:06 PM |
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Paul <nothing_here@4_you_.spammer.boy> wrote in message news:<jmukrv0i6iivjk6fjrq9v1brp5jqpq2im8@4ax.com>...
On 18 Nov 2003 11:47:56 -0800, (Roger Andrews)
wrote:
As opposed the the Republicans who take money from the working class
and the poor and give it to the already wealthy?
Roger
It's a funny thing Roger, my wife and I both work full time and our
combined income falls decidedly to the lower side of middle income
range and we've gotten checks two years in a row and watched our tax
liability drop significantly as well since Bush kept his promises...
Which the Democrates demanded for not holding up Bush's tax cut plans.
Or did you miss that? The tax breaks for working slobs like you were
not in Bush's original proposals. Only for those making hundreds of
thousands a year. Oops! Looks like your Republican Prez isn't the
one you should be thanking after all. Now what will you do?
jwk
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| User: "BW" |
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19 Nov 2003 02:14:01 PM |
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"jwk" <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c6f5ba32.0311191142.6a396595@posting.google.com...
Paul <nothing_here@4_you_.spammer.boy> wrote in message
news:<jmukrv0i6iivjk6fjrq9v1brp5jqpq2im8@4ax.com>...
On 18 Nov 2003 11:47:56 -0800, (Roger Andrews)
wrote:
As opposed the the Republicans who take money from the working class
and the poor and give it to the already wealthy?
Roger
It's a funny thing Roger, my wife and I both work full time and our
combined income falls decidedly to the lower side of middle income
range and we've gotten checks two years in a row and watched our tax
liability drop significantly as well since Bush kept his promises...
Which the Democrates demanded for not holding up Bush's tax cut plans.
Or did you miss that?
What we missed was any evidence from you Democrats that supports your
laughable claim that President Bush's tax cuts were just "for the rich".
Like almost EVERYTHING you Democrats say these days, it's A LIE. As Paul
just proved.
All your Party's lies are now coming back to bite you sorry Democrats in
your fat butts, jwk.
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| User: "Paul" |
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19 Nov 2003 02:21:15 PM |
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On 19 Nov 2003 11:42:06 -0800, (jwk) wrote:
Which the Democrates demanded for not holding up Bush's tax cut plans.
Or did you miss that? The tax breaks for working slobs like you were
not in Bush's original proposals. Only for those making hundreds of
thousands a year. Oops! Looks like your Republican Prez isn't the
one you should be thanking after all. Now what will you do?
You know when I see crap like this I can only wonder: does every hope
of the Democrat Party rest on the notion that everyone is as stupid,
uneducated and uninformed as their own core constituency?
Apparently.
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| User: "Marie A." |
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| Title: Re: Hating America Is Being A Democrat |
18 Nov 2003 02:48:42 PM |
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"BW" <bw4@verizon.net> wrote in message news:<M5rub.180276$275.578717@attbi_s53>...
"Geoff Offermann" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:dTpub.233386$HS4.2020886@attbi_s01...
"BW" <bw4@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:zxoub.235974$Fm2.236762@attbi_s04...
"pkgojak" <pkgojak@mydeja.com> wrote in message
news:3fb9ef40_8@news.athenanews.com...
I can't agree with you. Bush has done remarkably well under the
circumstances.
you nincompoop. name one thing bush has done remarkably well and
why,
if
he's done so well in Iraq is he planning to get out immediately?
You Democrat *****. Nobody is planning to "get out immediately" in
Iraq,
except perhaps those Muslim Terrorists who have been ID'd by American
troops
and are thus now on the run. Then there's the economy. President Bush,
in
a remarkably short period of time, has turned the Clinton Recession
around
and has led our economy to the HIGHEST GROWTH RATE IN 19 YEARS.
Fueled by a 45% increase in defense spending, the biggest increase since
the
Korean War.
That's fine. In fact, it's MORE than fiine. There is NO more important
task for the federal government than to maintain order and protect America.
Democrats have never understood that. Democrats see the federal government
as some sort of gigantic transfer of wealth system whereby money is taken
away from the Working Class and their families and given to the lazy and the
shiftless.
And most of whom are teaching in our public schools, colleges and
universities or in some sort of cushy civil service job earning ten
times what they'd be paid in the private sector. Almost 100% of these
parasites vote democrat.
Cordially, Marie
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| User: "the cutest atheist" |
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| Title: Re: Hating America Is Being A Democrat |
18 Nov 2003 07:49:34 PM |
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"Marie A." <LetEmEatWMDs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1dc521ed.0311181248.16ef4ca2@posting.google.com...
"BW" <bw4@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:<M5rub.180276$275.578717@attbi_s53>...
"Geoff Offermann" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:dTpub.233386$HS4.2020886@attbi_s01...
"BW" <bw4@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:zxoub.235974$Fm2.236762@attbi_s04...
"pkgojak" <pkgojak@mydeja.com> wrote in message
news:3fb9ef40_8@news.athenanews.com...
I can't agree with you. Bush has done remarkably well under the
circumstances.
you nincompoop. name one thing bush has done remarkably well and
why,
if
he's done so well in Iraq is he planning to get out immediately?
You Democrat *****. Nobody is planning to "get out immediately"
in
Iraq,
except perhaps those Muslim Terrorists who have been ID'd by
American
troops
and are thus now on the run. Then there's the economy. President
Bush,
in
a remarkably short period of time, has turned the Clinton Recession
around
and has led our economy to the HIGHEST GROWTH RATE IN 19 YEARS.
Fueled by a 45% increase in defense spending, the biggest increase
since
the
Korean War.
That's fine. In fact, it's MORE than fiine. There is NO more important
task for the federal government than to maintain order and protect
America.
Democrats have never understood that. Democrats see the federal
government
as some sort of gigantic transfer of wealth system whereby money is
taken
away from the Working Class and their families and given to the lazy and
the
shiftless.
And most of whom are teaching in our public schools, colleges and
universities or in some sort of cushy civil service job earning ten
times what they'd be paid in the private sector. Almost 100% of these
parasites vote democrat.
Cordially, Marie
lol, you stupid *****, you just can't stand educated people can you?
don't bother replying, I'm plonking your fat arse
-Cutest
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Hating America Is Being A Democrat |
18 Nov 2003 08:18:37 PM |
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On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 01:49:34 GMT, "the cutest atheist"
<herdofnerd(remove)@hotmail.com> wrote:
lol, you stupid *****, you just can't stand educated people can you?
don't bother replying, I'm plonking your fat arse
-Cutest
Amazing! If this is not the purest definition of what "oxymoron" means
then I do not know what is.
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| User: "the cutest atheist" |
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20 Nov 2003 03:07:02 AM |
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<mange@merde.com> wrote in message
news:f9llrvotv26s3vgd9p593rsdenltladgr1@4ax.com...
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 01:49:34 GMT, "the cutest atheist"
<herdofnerd(remove)@hotmail.com> wrote:
lol, you stupid *****, you just can't stand educated people can you?
don't bother replying, I'm plonking your fat arse
-Cutest
Amazing! If this is not the purest definition of what "oxymoron" means
then I do not know what is.
I see no oxymoron <insert obvious joke here>
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| User: "JoettaB" |
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20 Nov 2003 04:06:52 AM |
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"the cutest atheist" <herdofnerd(remove)@hotmail.com> wrote
in message
news:Wu%ub.18828$aT.9664@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
<mange@merde.com> wrote in message
news:f9llrvotv26s3vgd9p593rsdenltladgr1@4ax.com...
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 01:49:34 GMT, "the cutest atheist"
<herdofnerd(remove)@hotmail.com> wrote:
lol, you stupid *****, you just can't stand educated
people can you?
don't bother replying, I'm plonking your fat arse
-Cutest
Amazing! If this is not the purest definition of what
"oxymoron" means
then I do not know what is.
I see no oxymoron <insert obvious joke here>
mange = oxymoron
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