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Re: Hell Explained by Chemistry Student |
Keith E. wrote:
this thread has been declared TOO GHEY for ATJ.
Send your complaints to Max.
You've always been good at chiding me when I'm not around..
So quit running away.
You think I'm cute.. don'tya
<shrug> You see one *****, you've seen 'em all.
I'm too sexy for my shirt, too sexy for my shirt...
You're a living example of excessive optimism.
...I'm too sexy for my shirt too sexy for my shirt...
So sexy it hurts
I'm a model you know what I mean
The very model of a modern Major General.
Gilbert and Sullied-van are strictly Verboten in ATJ! By ORDER!
And I do my little turn on the catwalk
Yeah on the catwalk on the catwalk yeah
I shake my little touche on the catwalk
I'm sure you have this mp3 right, Keith?
It's in the same folder as my Barry Manilow mp3s.
AAAaaaaggGGhhHhHHHhhhhhhH!!!!
that actually hurt!
God, I love Right Said Fred!
<listening to "Hastings Street Opera">
do you eat Piano Fats or do you just cook with it?
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09 Jun 2007 07:21:44 PM |
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On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 14:42:33 -0000, Richard Catto <rrcatto@gmail.com>
wrote:
Keith E. wrote:
this thread has been declared TOO GHEY for ATJ.
Send your complaints to Max.
You've always been good at chiding me when I'm not around..
So quit running away.
You think I'm cute.. don'tya
<shrug> You see one *****, you've seen 'em all.
I'm too sexy for my shirt, too sexy for my shirt...
You're a living example of excessive optimism.
...I'm too sexy for my shirt too sexy for my shirt...
So sexy it hurts
I'm a model you know what I mean
The very model of a modern Major General.
Gilbert and Sullied-van are strictly Verboten in ATJ! By ORDER!
Right, model. I mean General.
And I do my little turn on the catwalk
Yeah on the catwalk on the catwalk yeah
I shake my little touche on the catwalk
I'm sure you have this mp3 right, Keith?
It's in the same folder as my Barry Manilow mp3s.
AAAaaaaggGGhhHhHHHhhhhhhH!!!!
that actually hurt!
Don't want to sully your Barry Manilow mp3s?
God, I love Right Said Fred!
<listening to "Hastings Street Opera">
do you eat Piano Fats or do you just cook with it?
BZZZZT Sorry, Waller and Domino are both wrong guesses.
--
Keith E.
Excrementum casus
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| User: "Richard Catto" |
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10 Jun 2007 09:22:19 AM |
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Keith E. wrote:
Don't want to sully your Barry Manilow mp3s?
I don't have any!!!!11!!11one11eleven
God, I love Right Said Fred!
<listening to "Hastings Street Opera">
do you eat Piano Fats or do you just cook with it?
BZZZZT Sorry, Waller and Domino are both wrong guesses.
I'll have one Fats Domino to go and a Waller on rhye. hold the mayo.
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10 Jun 2007 09:24:30 AM |
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"Richard Catto" <rrcatto@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1181485339.629213.155460@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Keith E. wrote:
Don't want to sully your Barry Manilow mp3s?
I don't have any!!!!11!!11one11eleven
God, I love Right Said Fred!
<listening to "Hastings Street Opera">
do you eat Piano Fats or do you just cook with it?
BZZZZT Sorry, Waller and Domino are both wrong guesses.
I'll have one Fats Domino to go and a Waller on rhye. hold the mayo.
You need to totally re-think this topic from the source!
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.. Hell - Part 1.
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Hell is one of those subjects that makes people uncomfortable. We
hear stories of hell being a place of fire, demons, and endless
torment. Throughout history many authors have written about it,
Dante's Inferno for example. Western culture is very familiar with
the concept. Even Hollywood has made it the subject of many movies.
Whatever the context, whatever the belief, hell is definitely taught
in the Bible. But even the doctrine of hell is not without its
controversy. Some say it is only the grave with no consciousness.
Others say it is a place of correction and punishment that is not
eternal. Others say it is an endless agonizing punishment in fire.
Whichever it is, hell is the total absence of the favor of God.
"The best way to drive out the devil, if he will
not yield to texts of Scripture, is to jeer and
flout him, for he cannot bear scorn."
.. Heaven & Hell
http://76.162.173.93/prophecy/=CD-R=heaven-and-hell/
The words associated with Hell
Gehenna In the OT, the word for hell is 'ge-hinnom' meaning "Valley of
Hinnom." It was a place to the southwest of Jerusalem. This place was
once "called 'Topheth' and derived from an Aramaic word meaning
'fireplace.' It was here that some pagan kings practiced human sacrifice
by fire (2 Chron. 28:3; 33:6; Jer. 7:31; 32:25)(1). This is probably why
in the NT the word came to be associated with destruction by fire. The
word 'gehenna' is found in the NT 12 times and every instance is spoken
of by Jesus. In the NT, "gehenna" is used of a condition and never of a
place.
Hades This word only occurs in the NT, ten times, and corresponds to the
OT word "sheol." Jesus uses the word four times: (Matthew 11:23);
(Matthew 16:18); (Luke 10:15); (Luke 16:23). The other six occur in Acts
2:27,31; Rev. 1:18; 6:8; 20:13,14. It was probably the "subterranean
abode of all the dead until the judgment. It was divided into two
departments, paradise or Abraham's bosom for the good, and Gehenna or
hell for the bad."(2) In particular, in the account of Lazarus and the
Rich man of (Luke 16:19-31), it is the place of the conscious dead who
are wicked.
Sheol "The Hebrew word Sheol is probably derived from a root "to make
hollow," and was seen as the common receptacle of the dead and in the
great many places the word appears in the OT, it is referring to the
grave.(3) It is a place and is mentioned in Gen. 37:35; Num. 16:30,33;
Psalm 16:10, etc. Sheol has many meanings in scripture: the grave, the
underworld, the state of the dead. It was supposed to be below the
surface of the earth (Ezek. 31:15,17; Psalm 86:13).
Is Hell Eternal Conscious Torment?
There are some Christian groups and many cults that deny the idea
that hell, in the general sense, means eternal, conscious
punishment. Some maintain that God's eternal punishment is
annihilation, or non-existence. Others say it is temporal and that
eventually all will be saved out of hell. Perhaps the most common
objection is that a loving God would never punish people in eternal
torment. We agree that God is love (1 John 4:8), but He is also just
(Neh. 9:32-33; 2 Thess. 1:6), and eternal (Psalm 90:2; 1 Tim. 1:17
). God punishes the evil doer (Isaiah 11:13) and this punishment
will be eternal. But the question remains. Is this eternal
punishment conscious or not? There are verses that can be
interpreted to support the idea that the dead are not conscious
after death: (Ecc. 9:5 - the dead know nothing(4) and Psalm 146:4 -
their thoughts perish, are good examples.) Other verses compare the
dead to sleep: Acts 13:36; 1 Cor. 15:1-6; 1 Thess. 4:13, etc. But
these latter verses are merely comparing the similarity between the
appearance of the dead and the appearance of someone sleeping.
The Dead are Conscious After Death
The wicked descend alive into Sheol Num. 16:30, "But if the Lord brings
about an entirely new thing and the ground opens its mouth and swallows
them up with all that is theirs, and they descend alive into Sheol, then
you will understand that these men have spurned the Lord . . . 33So they
and all that belonged to them went down alive to Sheol; and the earth
closed over them, and they perished from the midst of the assembly."
Cast to outer darkness with weeping and gnashing of teeth Matt. 8:12,
"but the sons of the kingdom shall be cast out into the outer darkness;
in that place there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
Those cast into the fire suffer consciously Matt. 13:41-42, "The Son of
Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom
all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, 42and will cast
them into the furnace of fire; in that place there shall be weeping and
gnashing of teeth." See also Matt. 13:50.
Cast into a tormenting fire Rev. 14:9-10, "And another angel, a third
one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the
beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or upon his
hand, 10he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is
mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented
with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the
presence of the Lamb." See also, Rev. 21:8.
Hell is a place of eternal fire and punishment
Unquenchable Fire Matt. 3:12 "And His winnowing fork is in His hand, and
He will thoroughly clear His threshing floor; and He will gather His
wheat into the barn, but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable
fire."
Fiery Hell Matt. 5:22, "whoever shall say, 'You fool,' shall be guilty
enough to go into the fiery hell." See also, Matt. 5:29,30.
Fiery Hell Matt. 18:8-9, "And if your hand or your foot causes you to
stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; it is better for you to enter
life crippled or lame, than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into
the eternal fire. 9"And if your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out,
and throw it from you. It is better for you to enter life with one eye,
than having two eyes, to be cast into the fiery hell."
Eternal Fire Matt. 25:41, "Then He will also say to those on His left,
'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been
prepared for the devil and his angels.
Eternal Punishment Matt. 25:46, "And these will go away into eternal
punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." The word 'eternal' in
both places is "aionios" which means 1)without beginning and end, that
which always has been and always will be; 2) without beginning; 3)without
end, never to cease, everlasting. The word 'punishment' is the word
kolasis and it means "to punish, with the implication of resulting severe
suffering - 'to punish, punishment.'"(5)
Eternal Fire Jude 7, "Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around
them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality
and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example, in undergoing
the punishment of eternal fire."
Lake of Fire Rev. 20:15, "And if anyone's name was not found written in
the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire."
Luke 16:19-31, Lazarus and the Rich Man
In Luke 16:19-31 is the story of Lazarus and the rich man.
Basically, Lazarus is a poor man who suffers during life. The rich
man is, of course, rich. They both die. The rich man goes to Hades.
Lazarus goes to Abraham's bosom, another term for paradise. In
Hades, the rich man lifts up his eyes and sees Lazarus far off. He
cries out to Abraham and asks for mercy because he is in agony in
flame. Abraham says no. Then the rich man asks if someone from the
dead were to rise and go tell his brothers not to come to this
terrible place. Abraham teaches him that that will not be done
either. Some say that this is a parable. However, if it is, it is
unique because no other parable actually names a person. It isn't a
story. It is history. It really happened. But many who believe in no
consciousness after death will say it is still a parable. The
question then is, if it is? What is it teaching? If hell fire is
false and if self-awareness after death is also false, then Jesus is
using false doctrines to teach a truth. Parables illustrate truth.
If it is a parable what does the consciousness after death
symbolize? Also, what does the agony in flame symbolize? Are they
not real? Of course they are.
Conclusion
Hell is a real place. It is not mere unconsciousness. It is not
temporal. It is eternal torment. Perhaps that is why Jesus spoke
more of hell than heaven and spent so much time warning people not
to go there. After all, if people just stopped existing, why warn
them? If it was temporal, they'd get out in a while. But if it were
eternal and conscious, then the warning is strong.
Jesus said, "And if your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out, and
throw it from you; for it is better for you that one of the parts of your
body perish, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30"And if
your right hand makes you stumble, cut it off, and throw it from you; for
it is better for you that one of the parts of your body perish, than for
your whole body to go into hell," (Matt. 5:29-30).
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1. Achtemeier, Paul J., Th.D., Harper's Bible Dictionary, (San
Francisco: Harper and Row, Publishers, Inc.) 1985. 2. Unger, Merrill
F., Unger's Bible Dictionary, (Chicago: Moody Press, 1966, p. 437. 3.
Vine, W. E., Vine's Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament
Words, (Grand Rapids, MI: Fleming H. Revell) 1981. 4. Ecclesiastes is
a book that is addressed as things appear "under the sun" (Ecc.
1:3,9,14, etc.). In fact, the phrase "under the sun" occurs 29 times
in Ecclesiastes, a book written from the human perspective and boldly
states that all is vanity. 5. Louw, Johannes P. and Nida, Eugene A.,
Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament based on Semantic Domains,
(New York: United Bible Societies) 1988, 1989.
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. Hell - Part II.
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By popular demand, I have been required to add to the original material
on this subject.
Much of this material will overlap with the original material, however is
will demonstrate that there even more scholars that have the same
understanding on this subject.
My simple understanding is that I don't know "where" it is, but I don't
want to go there!
All of the posts will be archived on a web sire with a sufficient index
for your connivance.
More on Hell
1. Hell will be a place of unquenchable fire Matt. 3:12; 13:41-42;
Mark9:43 2. It will be a place of memory and remorse.
Luke 16:19-31 3. It will be a place of thirst.
Luke 16:24 4. It will be a place of misery and pain.
Rev. 14:10, 11 5. It will be a place of frustration and anger.
Matt. 13:42; 24:51 6. It will be a place of separation.
Rev. 2:11; 20:6, 15 7. It will be a place of undiluted divine wrath.
Hab. 3:2; Rev. 14:10 8. It was originally prepared for Satan and his
hosts. Matt. 25:41 9. It will be a place created for all eternity.
Dan. 12:2; Matt. 25:46; Jude 7
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Willmington's Book of Bible Lists
Hell
Matthew 3:12 ...place of unquenchable fire Matt. 3:12; 13:41-42; ...
12 "His ?a?winnowing fork is in His hand, and He will thoroughly
clear His threshing floor; and He will ?b?gather His wheat into the
barn, but He will burn up the ?c?chaff with ?d?unquenchable fire."
Matthew 13:41-42 ...fire Matt. 3:12; 13:41-42; Mark 9:43 ...
41 "?a?The Son of Man ?b?will send forth His angels, and they
will gather out of His kingdom ?1?all ?c?stumbling blocks, and those
who commit lawlessness,
42 and ?a?will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that
place ?b?there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Mark 9:43 ...12; 13:41-42; Mark 9:43 2. It ...
43 "?a?If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is
better for you to enter life crippled, than, having your two hands,
to go into ?1??b?hell, into the ?c?unquenchable fire,
Luke 16:19-31 ...of memory and remorse. Luke 16:19-31 3. It will ...
The Rich Man and Lazarus
19 "Now there was a rich man, and he habitually dressed in
purple and fine linen, joyously living in splendor every day.
20 "And a poor man named Lazarus ?a?was laid at his gate,
covered with sores,
21 and longing to be fed with the crumbs which were falling from
the rich man's table; besides, even the dogs were coming and licking
his sores.
22 "Now the poor man died and was carried away by the angels to
?a?Abraham's bosom; and the rich man also died and was buried.
23 "In ?a?Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and
?*?saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 "And he cried out and said, '?a?Father Abraham, have mercy on
me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in
water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in ?b?this flame.'
25 "But Abraham said, 'Child, remember that ?a?during your life
you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus bad things; but
now he is being comforted here, and you are in agony.
Luke 16:24 ...a place of thirst. Luke 16:24 4. It will ...
24 "And he cried out and said, '?a?Father Abraham, have mercy on
me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in
water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in ?b?this flame.'
Revelation 14:10-11 ...of misery and pain. Rev. 14:10, 11 5. It will
....
10 he also will drink of the ?a?wine of the wrath of God, which
is mixed ?1?in full strength ?b?in the cup of His anger; and he will
be tormented with ?c?fire and ?2?brimstone in the presence of the
?d?holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
11 "And the ?a?smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever;
?b?they have no rest day and night, those who ?c?worship the beast
and his ?c?image, and ?1?whoever receives the ?d?mark of his name."
Matthew 13:42 ...of frustration and anger. Matt. 13:42; 24:51 6. ...
42 and ?a?will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that
place ?b?there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Matthew 24:51 ...anger. Matt. 13:42; 24:51 6. It will ...
51 and will ?1?cut him in pieces and ?2?assign him a place with
the hypocrites; in that place there will be ?a?weeping and gnashing
of teeth.
Revelation 2:11 ...a place of separation. Rev. 2:11; 20:6, 15 ...
11 '?a?He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to
the churches. ?b?He who overcomes will not be hurt by the ?c?second
death.'
Revelation 20:6 ...separation. Rev. 2:11; 20:6, 15 7. It will ...
6 ?a?Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first
resurrection; over these the ?b?second death has no power, but they
will be ?c?priests of God and of Christ and will ?d?reign with Him
for a thousand years.
Habakkuk 3:2 ...of undiluted divine wrath. Hab. 3:2; Rev. 14:10 ...
2 Lord, I have ?a?heard ?1?the report about You and ?2?I
?b?fear.
O Lord, ?c?revive ?d?Your work in the midst of the years,
In the midst of the years make it known;
In wrath remember ?3??e?mercy.
Revelation 14:10 ...wrath. Hab. 3:2; Rev. 14:10 8. It ...
10 he also will drink of the ?a?wine of the wrath of God, which
is mixed ?1?in full strength ?b?in the cup of His anger; and he will
be tormented with ?c?fire and ?2?brimstone in the presence of the
?d?holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
Matthew 25:41 ...Satan and his hosts. Matt. 25:41 9. It will ...
41 "Then He will also say to those on His left, '?a?Depart from
Me, accursed ones, into the ?b?eternal fire which has been prepared
for ?c?the devil and his angels;
Daniel 12:2 ...created for all eternity. Dan. 12:2; Matt. 25:46; ...
2 "?a?Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will
awake, ?b?these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and
everlasting ?1?contempt.
Matthew 25:46 ...eternity. Dan. 12:2; Matt. 25:46; Jude 7 ...
46 "These will go away into ?a?eternal punishment, but the
righteous into ?b?eternal life."
Jude 1 ...2; Matt. 25:46; Jude 7 ...
The Warnings of History to the Ungodly
1 ?1??a?Jude, a ?b?bond-servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of
?2?James,
To ?c?those who are the called, beloved in God the Father, and ?d?kept
for Jesus Christ:
HELL
Confused about eternal future, Job 10:19-22. "Down to the pit," Job
33:24. Depth of the earth, Psalm 63:9. Enlarged capacity, Isaiah 5:14
(kjv). Agreement with hell, Isaiah 28:18 (kjv). Fires of Topheth, Isaiah
30:33. "The world below," Ezekiel 32:19 (cev). Broad road to hell,
Matthew 7:13 (See gnb). Fiery furnace, Matthew 13:37-42, 49-50. Excluded
from God's presence, 2 Thessalonians 1:9. Lake of fire, Revelation
19:19-21. Those not in Book of Life, Revelation 20:7-15.
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HELL
The Valley of Hinnom
A deep, narrow ravine south of Jebus (later Jerusalem) called the Valley
of Hinnom, or the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, was the boundary between
the territories of Benjamin and Judah (Josh. 18:16). The location was
unremarkable in Joshua's day, but came to have great significance later
in Israelite history.
In the period of the divided monarchy, this valley was the site of a
pagan altar, or "high place" (see Deut. 12:2), known as Tophet
("fireplace"). Parents sacrificed their children there to the god Molech.
The Bible singles out Ahaz and Manasseh, kings of Judah, as having led
the way in this grotesque ritual (2 Chr. 28:3; 33:6). But Scripture
praises King Josiah for destroying this idolatrous altar during his
reforms (2 Kin. 23:10).
Jeremiah, who was called as a prophet during Josiah's reign, foretold
that God would judge the Israelites for committing the awful abomination
of human sacrifice, among other evils. The Lord would cause such
destruction that the Valley of Hinnom would become a cemetery known as
the Valley of Slaughter (Jer. 7:31-32; 19:1-6; 32:35).
This prophecy began to be fulfilled when Jerusalem was destroyed by the
Babylonians in 586 b.c. Later, the Valley of Hinnom became the city dump
for Jerusalem. Fires continually smouldered there, as the site was used
as a burning ground for refuse and the dead bodies of criminals and
animals.
In time, the valley became so noxious that its name became a synonym for
hell. The Hebrew phrase ge ("valley of") hinnom eventually became the
Greek Gehenna (Matt. 5:22; Mark 9:43, 45, 47). At one time, Jewish
tradition even held that the entrance to hell began at that valley.
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SPIRITUAL WARFARE
"The Gates of Hell"
Jesus referred to "the gates of Hades" (hell) in His bold statement to
Peter (Matt. 16:18). For Matthew's original readers, the word "gates"
held special significance.
Ancient cities erected walls to protect themselves from invaders. Here
and there along the walls they inserted massive gates to allow traffic in
and out. In times of trouble, they could close the gates against
attacking armies or bandits.
City gates, then, tended to be thoroughfares through which communications
and commerce passed with frequency. Not surprisingly, bazaars and forums
tended to congregate around a city's gates, so that they became an
important arena in a town's public life. Goods were traded there and
decision-makers gathered to hear news and deliberate on events of the
day. Such gates exist to this day in some cities of the world.
Given this phenomenon, "gates" became a metaphor signifying the economic
and political life of a walled city. The influential and powerful did
their business "in the gates." For example, the husband of the virtuous
woman of Proverbs 31 is "known in the gates, when he sits among the
elders of the land" (Prov. 31:23). Boaz, the intended husband of Ruth,
went to the gate to buy a marriage license (Ruth 4:1-12; also Deut.
25:7). War plans were devised and military treaties signed in the gates
(Judg. 5:8, 11). Kings sat in the gates to address their people (2 Sam.
19:8). Even conspirators against kings hatched their plots and were
exposed in the gates (Esth. 2:19-23).
So when Jesus spoke of the gates of Hades, He was drawing on a powerful
image. Matthew's original readers would have seen it as a political
metaphor, the way we use the terms City Hall, the White House, or the
Capitol today. For them, the gates of Hades were not just a spiritual
abstraction but actual forces of evil at work among human systems-the
Roman government, for instance. While not evil in and of itself,
first-century government was quickly becoming corrupted and also
anti-Christian.
Jesus was alluding to a spiritual warfare of cosmic proportions. His
followers are pitted against the powers of hell itself, which not only
attack individual believers but seek to corrupt institutions, enlisting
them in their campaign against Christ. Satan's guises can take many
forms, as a look at any day's news will attest.
Fortunately, Jesus also promised that in the end the gates of Hades would
not succeed. That offers great hope to believers who live in difficult
places and contend for good against powerful entities that, in ways known
and unknown, are backed by spiritual forces of wickedness. In the midst
of the fight Jesus has declared: "I will build My church!"
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Joshua 18:16 ...of Benjamin and Judah (Josh. 18:16). The location ...
16 The border went down to the edge of the hill which is in the
?a?valley of Ben-hinnom, which is in the valley of Rephaim
northward; and it went down to the valley of Hinnom, to the slope of
the Jebusite southward, and went down to En-rogel.
Deuteronomy 12:2 ...or "high place" (see Deut. 12:2), known as Tophet
("...
2 "You shall utterly destroy all the places where the nations
whom you shall dispossess serve their gods, on the ?a?high mountains
and on the hills and under every green tree.
2 Chronicles 28:3 ...in this grotesque ritual (2 Chr. 28:3; 33:6). ...
3 Moreover, ?a?he burned incense in the valley of Ben-hinnom and
?b?burned his sons in fire, ?c?according to the abominations of the
nations whom the Lord had driven out before the sons of Israel.
2 Chronicles 33:6 ...2 Chr. 28:3; 33:6). But Scripture praises ...
6 ?a?He made his sons pass through the fire in the valley of
Ben-hinnom; and he practiced witchcraft, used divination, practiced
sorcery and ?b?dealt with mediums and spiritists. He did much evil
in the sight of the Lord, provoking Him to anger.
2 Kings 23:10 ...altar during his reforms (2 Kin. 23:10). Jeremiah, who
....
10 ?a?He also defiled ?1?Topheth, which is in the valley of the
son of Hinnom, ?b?that no man might make his son or his daughter
pass through the fire for ?c?Molech.
Jeremiah 7:31-32 ...the Valley of Slaughter (Jer. 7:31-32; 19:...
31 "They have ?a?built the high places of Topheth, which is in
the valley of the son of Hinnom, to ?b?burn their sons and their
daughters in the fire, which I ?c?did not command, and it did not
come into My ?1?mind.
32 "?a?Therefore, behold, days are coming," declares the Lord,
"when it will no longer be called Topheth, or the valley of the son
of Hinnom, but the valley of the Slaughter; for they will ?b?bury in
Topheth ?1?because there is no other place.
Jeremiah 19:1-6 ...Jer. 7:31-32; 19:1-6; 32:35). This ...
The Broken Jar
1 Thus says the Lord, "Go and buy a ?a?potter's earthenware
?b?jar, and take some of the ?c?elders of the people and some of the
?1??d?senior priests.
2 "Then go out to the ?a?valley of Ben-hinnom, which is by the
entrance of the potsherd gate, and ?b?proclaim there the words that
I tell you,
3 and say, 'Hear the word of the Lord, O ?a?kings of Judah and
inhabitants of Jerusalem: thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of
Israel, "Behold I am about to bring a ?b?calamity upon this place,
at which the ?c?ears of everyone that hears of it will tingle.
4 "Because they have ?a?forsaken Me and have ?b?made this an
alien place and have burned ?1?sacrifices in it to ?c?other gods,
that neither they nor their forefathers nor the kings of Judah had
ever known, and because they have filled this place with the
?d?blood of the innocent
5 and have built the ?a?high places of Baal to burn their
?b?sons in the fire as burnt offerings to Baal, a thing which I
never commanded or spoke
Jeremiah 32:35 ...32; 19:1-6; 32:35). This prophecy began ...
35 "They built the ?a?high places of Baal that are in the valley
of Ben- hinnom to cause their sons and their daughters to pass
through the fire to ?b?Molech, which I had not commanded them nor
had it ?1?entered My mind that they should do this abomination, to
cause Judah to sin.
Matthew 5:22 ...became the Greek Gehenna (Matt. 5:22; Mark 9:...
22 "But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother
shall be ?1?guilty before ?a?the court; and whoever says to his
brother, '?2?You good-for-nothing,' shall be ?1?guilty before
?3??b?the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be
?1?guilty enough to go into the ?4??c?fiery hell.
Mark 9:43 ...Gehenna (Matt. 5:22; Mark 9:43, 45, 47). At ...
43 "?a?If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is
better for you to enter life crippled, than, having your two hands,
to go into ?1??b?hell, into the ?c?unquenchable fire,
Mark 9:45 ...22; Mark 9:43, 45, 47). At one ...
45 "If your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better
for you to enter life lame, than, having your two feet, to be cast
into ?1??a?hell,
Mark 9:47 ...Mark 9:43, 45, 47). At one time, ...
47 "?a?If your eye causes you to stumble, throw it out; it is
better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, than,
having two eyes, to be cast into ?1??b?hell,
Viewing Salvation as an Escape From Sin's Judgment
Perhaps many believers fall far short of the biblical norm because they
are not truly interested in reaching it. For those who fit this category,
the focus of their encounter with Christ is often on personal salvation
from the guilt and the penalty for their sins. While this emphasis is
harmonious with Scripture as one begins his walk with God, it is not
sufficient for a life that could be called "Christian" in the full sense
of the word.
The experience of one of my high school classmates is a case in point. At
the time I was a sincere Roman Catholic with a deep God consciousness. I
had a hunger to know the Lord in a personal way but did not find him
within my church. I lived a very moral life and was known as one of the
"good religious boys" on campus.
The only Protestant churches I knew anything about we called "holy
roller" churches. And they were! I remember one located a few blocks from
my home. While walking near the church during evening services I could
hear their "worship" half a block away from the church.
At first I was amused by it all. Later I became repelled by their
emotional frenzy. It seemed eerie, almost fearful. I was glad I didn't
belong to that kind of church. A group of us would occasionally stand
outside one of the windows to watch the spectacle. The noise level was
unbelievable. Men and women were shouting and falling on the floor.
Everything seemed to be in total confusion.
One of my high school friends was a nice "unsaved" Protestant even as I
was a Roman Catholic. He too lived a very moral life. We enjoyed our
friendship, loved the outdoors, sports, and the good things kids did in
high school without getting involved in "sinful" activities.
One day I heard that my friend had "gotten saved" at a "holy roller"
meeting. "John, we heard you 'got saved' last Sunday. What does that
mean?" a group of us asked him.
"Well, the pastor preached a sermon on hell. It scared me so much I was
determined I didn't want to go there if I could avoid it," he replied.
"He said if we would come to the altar and confess our sins we would 'get
saved' from hell. So I did. I don't want to go to hell."
"What else did he tell you?" we asked.
"He said it is a sin to go to the movies and dances. I have to stay away
from those things or I could still end up in hell," he replied.
This was too much for all of us, me included. While I understood sin and
believed in hell, I had never heard that movies and dances were sinful
and would send you to hell. We all told him to leave the holy roller
church. After a short time he did.
By his own confession he went forward to "get saved" to "escape hell."3
Evidently the love and beauty of God's plan of salvation was not
presented or, at least, did not reach him.
Did he truly find the Lord? I don't know. Perhaps we were the voice of
the Evil One through whom the Word sown was removed from his heart (Matt.
13:19). Perhaps he never was given the "word of the kingdom," so there
was really no firm truth to remove from his heart.
[5]
HELL-the place of eternal punishment for the unrighteous. The nkjv and
kjv use this word to translate sheol and hades, the Old and New Testament
words, respectively, for the abode of the dead.
Hell as a place of punishment translates Gehenna, the Greek form of the
Hebrew word that means "the vale of Hinnom"-a valley just south of
Jerusalem. In this valley the Canaanites worshiped Baal and the fire-god
Molech by sacrificing their children in a fire that burned continuously.
Even Ahaz and Manasseh, kings of Judah, were guilty of this terrible,
idolatrous practice (2 Chr. 28:3; 33:6).
The prophet Jeremiah predicted that God would visit such destruction upon
Jerusalem that this valley would be known as the "Valley of Slaughter"
(Jer. 7:31-34; 19:2, 6). In his religious reforms, King Josiah put an end
to this worship. He defiled the valley in order to make it unfit even for
pagan worship (2 Kin. 23:10).
In the time of Jesus the Valley of Hinnom was used as the garbage dump of
Jerusalem. Into it were thrown all the filth and garbage of the city,
including the dead bodies of animals and executed criminals. To consume
all this, fires burned constantly. Maggots worked in the filth. When the
wind blew from that direction over the city, its awfulness was quite
evident. At night wild dogs howled and gnashed their teeth as they fought
over the garbage.
Jesus used this awful scene as a symbol of hell. In effect he said, "Do
you want to know what hell is like? Look at the valley of Gehenna." So
hell may be described as God's "cosmic garbage dump." All that refuse to
be made fit for heaven will be turned away into hell.
The word Gehenna occurs twelve times in the New Testament. Each time it
is translated as "hell." With the exception of James 3:6, it is used only
by Jesus (Matt. 5:22, 29-30; 10:28; 23:15, 33; Mark 9:43, 45, 47; Luke
12:5). In Matthew 5:22, 18:9; and Mark 9:47, it is used with "fire" as
"hell fire." So the word hell (Gehenna) as a place of punishment is used
in the New Testament by Him who is the essence of infinite love.
In Mark 9:46 and 48, hell is described as a place where "their worm does
not die and the fire is not quenched." Repeatedly Jesus spoke of outer
darkness and a furnace of fire, where there will be wailing, weeping, and
gnashing of teeth (Matt. 8:12; 13:42, 50; 22:13; 24:51; 25:30; Luke
13:28). Obviously this picture is drawn from the valley of Gehenna.
The Book of Revelation describes hell as "a lake of fire burning with
brimstone" (Rev. 19:20; 20:10, 14-15; 21:8). Into hell will be thrown the
beast and the false prophet (Rev. 19:20). At the end of the age the devil
himself will be thrown into it, along with death and hades and all whose
names are not in the Book of Life. "And they will be tormented day and
night forever and ever" (Rev. 20:10).
Because of the symbolic nature of the language, some people question
whether hell consists of actual fire. Such reasoning should bring no
comfort to the lost. The reality is greater than the symbol. The Bible
exhausts human language in describing heaven and hell. The former is more
glorious, and the latter more terrible, than language can express.
[6]
Your Destiny
Whom will you serve? God leaves that choice in your hands. Love knows no
other way. In order to respect your free choice, God has made the
evidence for Christianity convincing but not compelling. If you want to
suppress or ignore the evidence all around you (Rom. 1:18-20)-including
that which is presented in this book-then you are free to do so. But that
would be a volitional act, not a rational one. You can reject Christ, but
you cannot honestly say there's not enough evidence to believe in him.
C. S. Lewis said it best when he wrote, "There are only two kinds of
people in the end: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and those to
whom God says, in the end, 'Thy will be done.' All that are in Hell,
choose it. Without that self-choice there would be no Hell. No soul that
seriously and constantly desires joy will ever miss it. Those who seek
find. To those who knock it is opened."?5?
The door is being held open by Jesus Christ. How can you walk through it?
Paul wrote, "If you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord,' and believe
in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For
it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with
your mouth that you confess and are saved" (Rom. 10:9).
You say, "I believe that Jesus rose from the dead." Good. But merely
believing that Jesus rose from the dead is not enough. You need to put
your trust in him. You can believe that a certain person would make a
great spouse, but that's not enough to make that person your husband or
wife. You must go beyond the intellectual to volitional-you must put your
trust in that person by saying "I do." The same is true concerning your
relationship with God. Trusting him is not just a decision of the head
but one of the heart. As someone once said, "The distance between heaven
and hell is about eighteen inches-the distance between the head and the
heart."
What happens if you freely choose not to walk through the door Jesus is
holding open? Jesus said you will remain in your condemned state: "For
God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save
the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but
whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not
believed in the name of God's one and only Son" (John 3:18). In other
words, you'll remain condemned and separated from God forever. God will
respect your choice by saying to you, "Thy will be done."
You say, "God doesn't send anyone to hell!" You're right. If you reject
Christ, you'll send yourself there.
You say, "God will just annihilate those who don't believe." No, he
won't. Hell is real. In fact, Jesus spoke more of hell then he did of
heaven. God will not annihilate unbelievers because he will not destroy
creatures made in his own image. That would be an attack on himself.
(What would you think of an earthly father who killed his son just
because his son chose not to do what his father wanted him to do?) God is
too loving to destroy those who don't want to be in his presence. His
only choice is to quarantine those who reject him. That's what hell
does-it quarantines evil, which is contagious.
You say, "God will save everybody!" How? Against their will? Some people
would rather be ruined than changed. They'd rather continue their
rebellion than be reformed. So God says, "Have it your way. You may
continue your rebellion, but you'll be quarantined so that you can't
pollute the rest of my creation." Besides, it would be unloving of God to
send people who can't bear to spend an hour on Sunday praising him to a
place where they will be praising him for eternity. That would be "hell"
to them!
You say, "I can't believe there is only one way to God." Why not? Do you
need more than one way to get into a building? Do you bring this charge
against Muslims for saying that Islam is the only way? How about Hindus?
They say reincarnation is the only way to salvation. We have shown
philosophically and biblically that Jesus is the only way to reconcile
infinite justice and infinite love. If that's not true, then God sent
Jesus to die a brutal death for nothing.
You say, "But what about those who have never heard?" Why should that
affect your decision? You have heard!
"Because I can't believe in a God who would torture people in hell just
because they haven't heard of Jesus." Who said God does this? First, God
doesn't torture anyone. Hell is not a place of externally inflicted
torture, but a place of self-inflicted torment (Luke 16:23, 28). Those in
hell certainly don't want it, but they will it. Hell is a terrible place,
but its doors are locked on the inside. Second, people may choose hell
whether or not they've heard of Jesus. Everyone knows of God because of
the starry heavens above and the Moral Law within (Rom 1:18-20; 2:14-15).
Those who reject that natural revelation will reject Jesus too. However,
those that truly seek God will be rewarded (Heb. 11:6). Since God wants
everyone to be saved (even more than you do-2 Pet. 3:9), he will ensure
that seekers get the information they need. And since God is just (Gen.
18:25; Ps. 9:8; Rom. 3:26), no one will go to hell who should go to
heaven, and vice versa. "In the meantime," as C. S. Lewis said, "if you
are worried about people on the outside, the most unreasonable thing you
can do is to remain outside yourself. Christians are Christ's body, the
organism through which he works. Every addition to that body enables Him
to do more. If you want to help those outside, you must add your own
little cell to the body of Christ who alone can help them. Cutting off a
man's fingers would be an odd way of getting him to do more work."?6?
You say, "You Christians just want to scare people with hell!" No, we
just want people to know the truth. If that scares them, maybe it should.
We certainly don't like what the Bible says about hell. We wish it
weren't true. But Jesus, who is God, taught it, and for good reason. It
seems to be necessary. Without a hell, injustices in this world would
never be righted, the free choices of people would not be respected, and
the greater good of a redemption could never be accomplished. If there is
no heaven to seek and no hell to shun, then nothing in this universe has
any ultimate meaning: your choices, your pleasures, your sufferings, the
lives of you and your loved ones ultimately mean nothing. We struggle
through this life for no ultimate reason, and Christ died for nothing.
Without heaven and hell, this incredibly designed universe is a stairway
to nowhere.
"So what?" says the atheist. "Maybe this universe is a stairway to
nowhere. Just because you want life to have meaning doesn't mean it
does." True. But we don't just want life to have meaning-we have evidence
that it has meaning.?7?
We end with the greatest news anyone could ever hear. Your choices do
matter. Your life does have ultimate meaning. And thanks to Christ, no
one has to experience hell. Every human being can accept his free gift of
eternal salvation. It takes no effort at all. Does it take some faith?
Yes, but every choice-even the choice to reject Christ-requires faith.
Since the evidence shows beyond a reasonable doubt that the Bible is
true, accepting Christ is the choice that requires the least amount of
faith. The choice is up to you. Do you have enough faith to believe
anything else?
You say, "I still have doubts and questions." So what? We do too.
Everyone has doubts and questions. And why shouldn't we? As finite
creatures, we shouldn't expect to understand everything about an infinite
God and how he does things. Paul certainly didn't (Rom. 11:33-36), and
many of the Old Testament writers expressed doubts and even questioned
God.?8? But since we are finite creatures who must make our decisions
based on probability, there has to be a point where we realize that the
weight of the evidence comes down on one side or the other. We'll never
have all the answers. But as we have seen throughout this book, there are
more than enough answers to give God the benefit of our doubts.
Finally, have you ever thought about questioning your doubts? Just ask
yourself, "Is it reasonable to doubt that Christianity is true in light
of all the evidence?" Probably not. In fact, in light of the evidence,
you ought to have a lot more doubts about atheism and every other
non-Christian belief system. They are not reasonable. Christianity is. So
start doubting your doubts and accept Christ. It takes too much faith to
believe anything else!
[7]
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[1]Willmington, H. L. (1987). Willmington's book of Bible lists. Wheaton,
Ill.: Tyndale House.
kjv King James Version
cev Contemporary English Version
gnb Good News Bible
[2]Anderson, K. (1996). Where to find it in the Bible. Nashville: T.
Nelson Publishers.
[3]Thomas Nelson Publishers. (2001). What does the Bible say about-- :
The ultimate A to Z resource fully illustrated. Nelson's A to Z series
(197). Nashville, Tenn.: Thomas Nelson.
[4]Thomas Nelson Publishers. (2001). What does the Bible say about-- :
The ultimate A to Z resource fully illustrated. Nelson's A to Z series
(378). Nashville, Tenn.: Thomas Nelson.
3 3. Hell is a reality. The New Testament is filled with references to
it, many from the lips of Jesus Himself. This was not His main message,
however. His main message was the kingdom of God and eternal life.
[5]Murphy, E. F. (1997, c1996). Handbook for spiritual warfare (89).
Nashville: Thomas Nelson.
[6]Hayford, J. W., & Thomas Nelson Publishers. (1995). Hayford's Bible
handbook. Nashville: Thomas Nelson Publishers.
5 C. S. Lewis, The Great Divorce (New York: Macmillan, 1946), 72.
6 C. S. Lewis, Mere Christianity (New York: Macmillan, 1943), 65.
7 For more on hell and objections to hell, see Norman Geisler, Baker
Encyclopedia of Christian Apologetics (Grand Rapids, Mich.: Baker, 1999),
308-313.
8 For examples of Bible books where doubt and questions about God are
expressed, see Job, many of the Psalms, Ecclesiastes, and Lamentations.
[7]Geisler, N. L., & Turek, F. (2004). I don't have enough faith to be an
atheist (384). Wheaton, Ill.: Crossway Books.
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10 Jun 2007 06:11:29 PM |
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On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 10:24:30 -0400, "Promises Promises"
<pp_aery_11@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Richard Catto" <rrcatto@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1181485339.629213.155460@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Keith E. wrote:
Don't want to sully your Barry Manilow mp3s?
I don't have any!!!!11!!11one11eleven
God, I love Right Said Fred!
<listening to "Hastings Street Opera">
do you eat Piano Fats or do you just cook with it?
BZZZZT Sorry, Waller and Domino are both wrong guesses.
I'll have one Fats Domino to go and a Waller on rhye. hold the mayo.
You need to totally re-think this topic from the source!
==========================================
. Hell - Part 1.
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Hell - Part 3.
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Living on the same planet as religious nutjobs such as yourself.
--
Keith E.
Excrementum casus
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11 Jun 2007 04:20:48 AM |
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On Jun 11, 11:11 am, Keith E. <i.m.k...@aol.com> wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 10:24:30 -0400, "Promises Promises"
<pp_aery...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Richard Catto" <rrca...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1181485339.629213.155460@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Keith E. wrote:
Don't want to sully your Barry Manilow mp3s?
I don't have any!!!!11!!11one11eleven
God, I love Right Said Fred!
<listening to "Hastings Street Opera">
do you eat Piano Fats or do you just cook with it?
BZZZZT Sorry, Waller and Domino are both wrong guesses.
I'll have one Fats Domino to go and a Waller on rhye. hold the mayo.
You need to totally re-think this topic from the source!
==========================================
. Hell - Part 1.
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[...]
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Hell - Part 3.
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Living on the same planet as religious nutjobs such as yourself.
--
Keith E.
Excrementum casus
Noooooooooooooooooooooooo... not barneyland!
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10 Jun 2007 06:11:29 PM |
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On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 14:22:19 -0000, Richard Catto <rrcatto@gmail.com>
wrote:
Keith E. wrote:
Don't want to sully your Barry Manilow mp3s?
I don't have any!!!!11!!11one11eleven
God, I love Right Said Fred!
<listening to "Hastings Street Opera">
do you eat Piano Fats or do you just cook with it?
BZZZZT Sorry, Waller and Domino are both wrong guesses.
I'll have one Fats Domino to go and a Waller on rhye. hold the mayo.
Not here, you won't.
--
Keith E.
Excrementum casus
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11 Jun 2007 11:25:59 PM |
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Keith E. wrote:
God, I love Right Said Fred!
<listening to "Hastings Street Opera">
do you eat Piano Fats or do you just cook with it?
BZZZZT Sorry, Waller and Domino are both wrong guesses.
I'll have one Fats Domino to go and a Waller on rhye. hold the mayo.
Not here, you won't.
btw, you have your paper hat on backwards.
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15 Jun 2007 06:18:30 AM |
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Keith E. wrote:
God, I love Right Said Fred!
<listening to "Hastings Street Opera">
do you eat Piano Fats or do you just cook with it?
BZZZZT Sorry, Waller and Domino are both wrong guesses.
I'll have one Fats Domino to go and a Waller on rhye. hold the mayo.
Not here, you won't.
btw, you have your paper hat on backwards.
The party atmosphere went to my head.
*laughs* and that's not all that's gonna go to your head, if you're
not careful.
*points gun* empty your cash drawers, please.
Can't. Too busy straightening my hat.
i'll take the hat too. i'm a collector.
It's closing time. Come back tomorrow.
How about I just shoot you?
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| User: "Richard Catto" |
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16 Jun 2007 03:07:18 AM |
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Keith E. wrote:
God, I love Right Said Fred!
<listening to "Hastings Street Opera">
do you eat Piano Fats or do you just cook with it?
BZZZZT Sorry, Waller and Domino are both wrong guesses.
I'll have one Fats Domino to go and a Waller on rhye. hold the mayo.
Not here, you won't.
btw, you have your paper hat on backwards.
The party atmosphere went to my head.
*laughs* and that's not all that's gonna go to your head, if you're
not careful.
*points gun* empty your cash drawers, please.
Can't. Too busy straightening my hat.
i'll take the hat too. i'm a collector.
It's closing time. Come back tomorrow.
I can't. I have to see my parole officer. it's now or never. do or
die. open the safe or i'll see you fry!
You're late, get out of here.
http://kscakes.com/LolCats/Detail.aspx/soen-my-gat/
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19 Jun 2007 07:42:54 AM |
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Keith E. wrote:
God, I love Right Said Fred!
<listening to "Hastings Street Opera">
do you eat Piano Fats or do you just cook with it?
BZZZZT Sorry, Waller and Domino are both wrong guesses.
I'll have one Fats Domino to go and a Waller on rhye. hold the mayo.
Not here, you won't.
btw, you have your paper hat on backwards.
The party atmosphere went to my head.
*laughs* and that's not all that's gonna go to your head, if you're
not careful.
*points gun* empty your cash drawers, please.
Can't. Too busy straightening my hat.
i'll take the hat too. i'm a collector.
It's closing time. Come back tomorrow.
I can't. I have to see my parole officer. it's now or never. do or
die. open the safe or i'll see you fry!
You're late, get out of here.
http://kscakes.com/LolCats/Detail.aspx/soen-my-gat/
I don't go to links in usenet posts.
do you click links on web sites?
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| User: "Richard Catto" |
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20 Jun 2007 06:55:46 PM |
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Keith E. wrote:
God, I love Right Said Fred!
<listening to "Hastings Street Opera">
do you eat Piano Fats or do you just cook with it?
BZZZZT Sorry, Waller and Domino are both wrong guesses.
I'll have one Fats Domino to go and a Waller on rhye. hold the mayo.
Not here, you won't.
btw, you have your paper hat on backwards.
The party atmosphere went to my head.
*laughs* and that's not all that's gonna go to your head, if you're
not careful.
*points gun* empty your cash drawers, please.
Can't. Too busy straightening my hat.
i'll take the hat too. i'm a collector.
It's closing time. Come back tomorrow.
I can't. I have to see my parole officer. it's now or never. do or
die. open the safe or i'll see you fry!
You're late, get out of here.
http://kscakes.com/LolCats/Detail.aspx/soen-my-gat/
I don't go to links in usenet posts.
do you click links on web sites?
Only search results. I don't have time for random link clicking.
how about on this web site?
http://dianapost.com
NSFW - pr0n site
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| User: "Richard Catto" |
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| Title: Re: Hell Explained by Chemistry Student |
20 Jun 2007 07:47:27 PM |
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Keith E. wrote:
God, I love Right Said Fred!
<listening to "Hastings Street Opera">
do you eat Piano Fats or do you just cook with it?
BZZZZT Sorry, Waller and Domino are both wrong guesses.
I'll have one Fats Domino to go and a Waller on rhye. hold the mayo.
Not here, you won't.
btw, you have your paper hat on backwards.
The party atmosphere went to my head.
*laughs* and that's not all that's gonna go to your head, if you're
not careful.
*points gun* empty your cash drawers, please.
Can't. Too busy straightening my hat.
i'll take the hat too. i'm a collector.
It's closing time. Come back tomorrow.
I can't. I have to see my parole officer. it's now or never. do or
die. open the safe or i'll see you fry!
You're late, get out of here.
http://kscakes.com/LolCats/Detail.aspx/soen-my-gat/
I don't go to links in usenet posts.
do you click links on web sites?
Only search results. I don't have time for random link clicking.
how about on this web site?
http://dianapost.com
NSFW - pr0n site
I don't know, I didn't look.
Well you should look, because it's a really good pr0n site.
Unlike many which host links to external galleries, this one delivers.
And if nothing appeals on the first load, just hit refresh and a whole
new set of galleries will be presented to you.
other sites in their stable are:
http://amandalist.com
http://amandapics.com
the pics one has a lot more links to video galleries.
perhaps you are too old to pop a nut, though?
need something younger to get you off?
try http://sexocean.com
i'm giving you gold here. these are all A+ pr0n sites.
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22 Jun 2007 06:10:15 AM |
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Keith E. wrote:
i'm giving you gold here. these are all A+ pr0n sites.
<shrug> I just go to the bar, pick out a bimbo, and get the real
thing. I don't care how good the pr0n is, nothing beats a *****.
Look, I already know you're a wanker. You can't convince me otherwise.
I know those sites are already in your Top 10 bookmarked sites!
You can't fool me.
I don't bookmark.
Please explain this then:
http://www.wee-naked-children-having-sex4u.com
found on your computer by forensic (read spyware) software.
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| User: "Richard Catto" |
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22 Jun 2007 05:58:55 PM |
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Keith E. wrote:
i'm giving you gold here. these are all A+ pr0n sites.
<shrug> I just go to the bar, pick out a bimbo, and get the real
thing. I don't care how good the pr0n is, nothing beats a *****.
Look, I already know you're a wanker. You can't convince me otherwise.
I know those sites are already in your Top 10 bookmarked sites!
You can't fool me.
I don't bookmark.
Please explain this then:
http://www.wee-naked-children-having-sex4u.com
found on your computer by forensic (read spyware) software.
Spyware doesn't work on my computer.
did you try rebooting?
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| User: "Richard Catto" |
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25 Jun 2007 11:49:00 PM |
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*** this thread is sponsored by alt.tasteless.jokes, Usenet's
friendliest, funniest newsgroup! ***
Keith E. wrote:
i'm giving you gold here. these are all A+ pr0n sites.
<shrug> I just go to the bar, pick out a bimbo, and get the real
thing. I don't care how good the pr0n is, nothing beats a *****.
Look, I already know you're a wanker. You can't convince me otherwise.
I know those sites are already in your Top 10 bookmarked sites!
You can't fool me.
I don't bookmark.
Please explain this then:
http://www.wee-naked-children-having-sex4u.com
found on your computer by forensic (read spyware) software.
Spyware doesn't work on my computer.
did you try rebooting?
I'm not kicking my computer.
that's awfully PC of you.
It wouldn't be, if I kicked it. Then it'd be trash.
hold on... you run Vista, don't you?
take any PC running XP, upgrade it to Vista, and viola! one 5 kilogram
paperweight.
Microsoft Vista... runs everywhere, does nothing.
In 5 years time, Google will be everywhere.
GoogleOS will first ship in 2012.
Within 12 months, it will have been downloaded over 200 million times.
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| User: "ur_droll" |
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| Title: Re: Hell Explained by Chemistry Student |
20 Jun 2007 07:56:18 PM |
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On Jun 21, 12:47 pm, Richard Catto <rrca...@gmail.com> wrote:
Keith E. wrote:
God, I love Right Said Fred!
<listening to "Hastings Street Opera">
do you eat Piano Fats or do you just cook with it?
BZZZZT Sorry, Waller and Domino are both wrong guesses.
I'll have one Fats Domino to go and a Waller on rhye. hold the mayo.
Not here, you won't.
btw, you have your paper hat on backwards.
The party atmosphere went to my head.
*laughs* and that's not all that's gonna go to your head, if you're
not careful.
*points gun* empty your cash drawers, please.
Can't. Too busy straightening my hat.
i'll take the hat too. i'm a collector.
It's closing time. Come back tomorrow.
I can't. I have to see my parole officer. it's now or never. do or
die. open the safe or i'll see you fry!
You're late, get out of here.
http://kscakes.com/LolCats/Detail.aspx/soen-my-gat/
I don't go to links in usenet posts.
do you click links on web sites?
Only search results. I don't have time for random link clicking.
how about on this web site?
http://dianapost.com
NSFW - pr0n site
I don't know, I didn't look.
Well you should look, because it's a really good pr0n site.
Unlike many which host links to external galleries, this one delivers.
And if nothing appeals on the first load, just hit refresh and a whole
new set of galleries will be presented to you.
other sites in their stable are:
http://amandalist.comhttp://amandapics.com
the pics one has a lot more links to video galleries.
perhaps you are too old to pop a nut, though?
need something younger to get you off?
tryhttp://sexocean.com
i'm giving you gold here. these are all A+ pr0n sites.
BWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
What a fucken loser
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| User: "Richard Catto" |
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| Title: Re: Hell Explained by Chemistry Student |
20 Jun 2007 08:07:32 PM |
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ur_droll wrote:
God, I love Right Said Fred!
<listening to "Hastings Street Opera">
do you eat Piano Fats or do you just cook with it?
BZZZZT Sorry, Waller and Domino are both wrong guesses.
I'll have one Fats Domino to go and a Waller on rhye. hold the mayo.
Not here, you won't.
btw, you have your paper hat on backwards.
The party atmosphere went to my head.
*laughs* and that's not all that's gonna go to your head, if you're
not careful.
*points gun* empty your cash drawers, please.
Can't. Too busy straightening my hat.
i'll take the hat too. i'm a collector.
It's closing time. Come back tomorrow.
I can't. I have to see my parole officer. it's now or never. do or
die. open the safe or i'll see you fry!
You're late, get out of here.
http://kscakes.com/LolCats/Detail.aspx/soen-my-gat/
I don't go to links in usenet posts.
do you click links on web sites?
Only search results. I don't have time for random link clicking.
how about on this web site?
http://dianapost.com
NSFW - pr0n site
I don't know, I didn't look.
Well you should look, because it's a really good pr0n site.
Unlike many which host links to external galleries, this one delivers.
And if nothing appeals on the first load, just hit refresh and a whole
new set of galleries will be presented to you.
other sites in their stable are:
http://amandalist.comhttp://amandapics.com
the pics one has a lot more links to video galleries.
perhaps you are too old to pop a nut, though?
need something younger to get you off?
tryhttp://sexocean.com
i'm giving you gold here. these are all A+ pr0n sites.
BWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
What a fucken loser
what are you? a fucking Christian?
won't your wife let you look at pr0n online?
sux2bu
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| User: "ur_droll" |
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20 Jun 2007 08:28:59 PM |
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On Jun 21, 1:07 pm, Richard Catto <rrca...@gmail.com> wrote:
ur_droll wrote:
God, I love Right Said Fred!
<listening to "Hastings Street Opera">
do you eat Piano Fats or do you just cook with it?
BZZZZT Sorry, Waller and Domino are both wrong guesses.
I'll have one Fats Domino to go and a Waller on rhye. hold the mayo.
Not here, you won't.
btw, you have your paper hat on backwards.
The party atmosphere went to my head.
*laughs* and that's not all that's gonna go to your head, if you're
not careful.
*points gun* empty your cash drawers, please.
Can't. Too busy straightening my hat.
i'll take the hat too. i'm a collector.
It's closing time. Come back tomorrow.
I can't. I have to see my parole officer. it's now or never. do or
die. open the safe or i'll see you fry!
You're late, get out of here.
http://kscakes.com/LolCats/Detail.aspx/soen-my-gat/
I don't go to links in usenet posts.
do you click links on web sites?
Only search results. I don't have time for random link clicking.
how about on this web site?
http://dianapost.com
NSFW - pr0n site
I don't know, I didn't look.
Well you should look, because it's a really good pr0n site.
Unlike many which host links to external galleries, this one delivers.
And if nothing appeals on the first load, just hit refresh and a whole
new set of galleries will be presented to you.
other sites in their stable are:
http://amandalist.comhttp://amandapics.com
the pics one has a lot more links to video galleries.
perhaps you are too old to pop a nut, though?
need something younger to get you off?
tryhttp://sexocean.com
i'm giving you gold here. these are all A+ pr0n sites.
BWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
What a fucken loser
what are you? a fucking Christian?
won't your wife let you look at pr0n online?
sux2bu
I prefer to blow my wad into real ***** thanks.
Don't bother asking what its like... I just can't be bothered
describing the benefits of real sex to someone who is unlikely to
experience it (except as a ***** receptacle for kafirs)
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| User: "Richard Catto" |
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| Title: Re: Hell Explained by Chemistry Student |
21 Jun 2007 05:17:25 PM |
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ur_droll wrote:
I don't go to links in usenet posts.
do you click links on web sites?
Only search results. I don't have time for random link clicking.
how about on this web site?
http://dianapost.com
NSFW - pr0n site
I don't know, I didn't look.
Well you should look, because it's a really good pr0n site.
Unlike many which host links to external galleries, this one delivers.
And if nothing appeals on the first load, just hit refresh and a whole
new set of galleries will be presented to you.
other sites in their stable are:
http://amandalist.comhttp://amandapics.com
the pics one has a lot more links to video galleries.
perhaps you are too old to pop a nut, though?
need something younger to get you off?
try http://sexocean.com
i'm giving you gold here. these are all A+ pr0n sites.
BWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
What a fucken loser
what are you? a fucking Christian?
won't your wife let you look at pr0n online?
sux2bu
I prefer to blow my wad into real ***** thanks.
Do you pray to God that He grant you an erection?
I mean, how do you get it up for your wife if you don't use pr0n?
Don't bother asking what its like... I just can't be bothered
describing the benefits of real sex to someone who is unlikely to
experience it (except as a ***** receptacle for kafirs)
You fantasise about a black man giving it to you up the backdoor,
gotcha.
You're a queer kinda bloke.
I'd rather use pr0n.
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| User: "ur_droll" |
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| Title: Re: Hell Explained by Chemistry Student |
22 Jun 2007 02:55:12 AM |
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On Jun 22, 10:17 am, Richard Catto <rrca...@gmail.com> wrote:
ur_droll wrote:
I don't go to links in usenet posts.
do you click links on web sites?
Only search results. I don't have time for random link clicking.
how about on this web site?
http://dianapost.com
NSFW - pr0n site
I don't know, I didn't look.
Well you should look, because it's a really good pr0n site.
Unlike many which host links to external galleries, this one delivers.
And if nothing appeals on the first load, just hit refresh and a whole
new set of galleries will be presented to you.
other sites in their stable are:
http://amandalist.comhttp://amandapics.com
the pics one has a lot more links to video galleries.
perhaps you are too old to pop a nut, though?
need something younger to get you off?
tryhttp://sexocean.com
i'm giving you gold here. these are all A+ pr0n sites.
BWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
What a fucken loser
what are you? a fucking Christian?
won't your wife let you look at pr0n online?
sux2bu
I prefer to blow my wad into real ***** thanks.
Do you pray to God that He grant you an erection?
Don't need to
I mean, how do you get it up for your wife if you don't use pr0n?
Testosterone... go look it up so you might understand its effects
Don't bother asking what its like... I just can't be bothered
describing the benefits of real sex to someone who is unlikely to
experience it (except as a ***** receptacle for kafirs)
You fantasise about a black man giving it to you up the backdoor,
gotcha.
Talking to yerself online is a sign of dementia.
You're a queer kinda bloke.
I'd rather use pr0n.
you don't have any options
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| User: "St. Jack NopetheDopeofapes" |
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| Title: Re: Hell Explained by Chemistry Student |
22 Jun 2007 01:15:30 PM |
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"ur_droll" <Chex@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message news:1182498912.873677.291900@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
BWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
What a fucken loser
what are you? a fucking Christian?
won't your wife let you look at pr0n online?
sux2bu
I prefer to blow my wad into real ***** thanks.
Do you pray to God that He grant you an erection?
Don't need to
I mean, how do you get it up for your wife if you don't use pr0n?
Testosterone... go look it up so you might understand its effects
Don't bother asking what its like... I just can't be bothered
describing the benefits of real sex to someone who is unlikely to
experience it (except as a ***** receptacle for kafirs)
You fantasise about a black man giving it to you up the backdoor,
gotcha.
Talking to yerself online is a sign of dementia.
You're a queer kinda bloke.
I'd rather use pr0n.
you don't have any options
Do U have any children?
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| User: "ur_droll" |
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| Title: Re: Hell Explained by Chemistry Student |
22 Jun 2007 02:44:10 PM |
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On Jun 23, 6:15 am, "St. Jack NopetheDopeofapes"
<stjnd_...@NOTSOhotmail.com> wrote:
"ur_droll" <C...@xtra.co.nz> wrote in messagenews:1182498912.873677.291900@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
BWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
What a fucken loser
what are you? a fucking Christian?
won't your wife let you look at pr0n online?
sux2bu
I prefer to blow my wad into real ***** thanks.
Do you pray to God that He grant you an erection?
Don't need to
I mean, how do you get it up for your wife if you don't use pr0n?
Testosterone... go look it up so you might understand its effects
Don't bother asking what its like... I just can't be bothered
describing the benefits of real sex to someone who is unlikely to
experience it (except as a ***** receptacle for kafirs)
You fantasise about a black man giving it to you up the backdoor,
gotcha.
Talking to yerself online is a sign of dementia.
You're a queer kinda bloke.
I'd rather use pr0n.
you don't have any options
Do U have any children?
Yeah.. but I ain't religious so I don't ***** em
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| User: "Richard Catto" |
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| Title: Re: Hell Explained by Chemistry Student |
22 Jun 2007 06:03:40 PM |
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ur_droll wrote:
You fantasise about a black man giving it to you up the backdoor,
gotcha.
Talking to yerself online is a sign of dementia.
You're a queer kinda bloke.
I'd rather use pr0n.
you don't have any options
Do U have any children?
Yeah.. but I ain't religious so I don't ***** em
atheists can ***** children too!!!
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| User: "Parsons" |
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| Title: Re: Hell Explained by Chemistry Student |
22 Jun 2007 06:10:07 PM |
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"Richard Catto" <rrcatto@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1182553420.171216.23660@q19g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
ur_droll wrote:
You fantasise about a black man giving it to you up the backdoor,
gotcha.
Talking to yerself online is a sign of dementia.
You're a queer kinda bloke.
I'd rather use pr0n.
you don't have any options
Do U have any children?
Yeah.. but I ain't religious so I don't ***** em
atheists can ***** children too!!!
That's the one thing you do best Dickless.
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| User: "ur_droll" |
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| Title: Re: Hell Explained by Chemistry Student |
22 Jun 2007 10:53:42 PM |
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On Jun 23, 11:10 am, "Parsons" <ParsonsREM...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"Richard Catto" <rrca...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1182553420.171216.23660@q19g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
ur_droll wrote:
You fantasise about a black man giving it to you up the backdoor,
gotcha.
Talking to yerself online is a sign of dementia.
You're a queer kinda bloke.
I'd rather use pr0n.
you don't have any options
Do U have any children?
Yeah.. but I ain't religious so I don't ***** em
atheists can ***** children too!!!
That's the one thing you do best Dickless.
So... now we now yer moms customers (yer daddies) were atheists
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| User: "Parsons" |
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| Title: Re: Hell Explained by Chemistry Student |
23 Jun 2007 04:32:34 PM |
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"ur_droll" <Chex@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:1182570822.888016.189210@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 23, 11:10 am, "Parsons" <ParsonsREM...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"Richard Catto" <rrca...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1182553420.171216.23660@q19g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
ur_droll wrote:
You fantasise about a black man giving it to you up the backdoor,
gotcha.
Talking to yerself online is a sign of dementia.
You're a queer kinda bloke.
I'd rather use pr0n.
you don't have any options
Do U have any children?
Yeah.. but I ain't religious so I don't ***** em
atheists can ***** children too!!!
That's the one thing you do best Dickless.
So... now we now yer moms customers (yer daddies) were atheists
That's got to be better than what ever it is you are.
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| User: "Richard Catto" |
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| Title: Re: Hell Explained by Chemistry Student |
22 Jun 2007 07:13:33 AM |
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ur_droll wrote:
i'm giving you gold here. these are all A+ pr0n sites.
BWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
What a fucken loser
what are you? a fucking Christian?
won't your wife let you look at pr0n online?
sux2bu
I prefer to blow my wad into real ***** thanks.
Do you pray to God that He grant you an erection?
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