svanier <svanier@americanprocess.org> wrote in message news:<kVIac.124$2Q4.56578@news.uswest.net>...
epona wrote:
svanier wrote in message ...
*****SPV.....Guessing you do not know do you. Because there are those
that know I am Enlightened. They see what I say here on the board and
they see what I am doing and I am doing exactly what I am saying I am
doing. You can't say without a doubt that you know who is Enlightened
and who is not. You, Epona, and you Ellen are just jealous. You claim
I am not. You are the one's with the problem because every day you have
to claim I am sick or I am this or deluded or that. You haven't given
the slightest evidence that I am not who I claim to be. Not the
slightest evidence.
I claim that the reduction of crime is all me. So that is my miracle
and I claimed this before it started to drop. So you can't get away
from that one. Now that is evidence. What do you claim that shows I am
not Enlightened. Just that by some myseterious method you judge me not
to be? That isn't good enough. So you are with the weak hand. You
prove I am not.
Mr Vainer , you talk alot you listen never and you refuse to answer
questions
So tell us who we can contact who really believes you are enlightened -
Epona
*********SPV.....We don't need anyone else to prove this case. The case
of your jealousy. Tell us Epona, do you actually know for a fact that I
am not Enlightened. Just yes or no will do but if you give a no answer
tell us the facts that have given you this insight of truth that you claim.
You see Epona, there is nothing to claim. All we need to do is get you
to admit that you really don't know, and you can't do that. If you did
even admit that much your chief feature would start to fall apart. Try
the truth out a little at a time. Tell us the real truth and that would
be that you really don't know, isn't that right Epona?
No, no, no!
You are the one that makes the claim. The burden of proof is on you.
This is exactly the same as when you rightfully challenged Dore in his claim
to be the messiah. How do you know he is not? Tell us the real truth, you do
not know whether he is the messiah or not. But since he makes the claim, it
is up to him to prove it.
You claim to be enlightened, so it is up to you to prove your claim.
ESPECIALLY, since you said,
Because there are those that know I am Enlightened.
Now unless you can produce at least one of those, we have the right to call
you a liar.
Enlightened people do not brag about it like you, in fact they are usually pretty
shy about mentioning it. They also do not have the need to defend their ego
like you.
On the other hand, everyone I ever heard bragging about their enlightenment
was a fraud.
For this reason, I believe you are a fraud and a liar and jealous of people who
actually are enlightened. Your threatened little ego just won't allow you to
think rationally.
You and Bernie and Dore are of the same kind; making outrageous claims
that they cannot back up and attacking anyone who asks for proof.
There is NO difference between Dore and you!
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