Religions > Atheism > Re: !Hitchens: Peanut Envy The latest absurdities to emerge from Jimmy Carter's big, smug mouth.
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"Kurt Nicklas" |
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23 May 2007 04:30:47 PM |
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Re: !Hitchens: Peanut Envy The latest absurdities to emerge from Jimmy Carter's big, smug mouth. |
On May 23, 1:23 pm, Douglas Berry <penguin_...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com>
wrote:
On 23 May 2007 09:08:51 -0700 there was an Ancient Kurt Nicklas
<nickl...@bellsouth.net> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
On May 23, 10:03 am, Douglas Berry <penguin_...@mindspring.com> wrote:
Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi surrendered power on January 16th, 1979 at
the urging of Prime Minister Shapour Bakhtiar. Bakhtiar dissolved
SAVAK, freed political prisoners, it was Bakhtiar who, all on his own,
allowed the Ayatollah Khomeini to return. Bakhtiar was hoping that
Khomeini would created a sort of Shi'a "Vatican" in Qom, Iran's
holiest city. At no time did Carter urge that Khomeini be given
control of the country. I challenge you to find a citation that backs
your claim.
Carter wanted that "popular revolution" that you love so much to
succeed,
Douglas.
Show me one place where I praised or supported the Iranian Revolution.
So you don't like popular revolutions?
Love 'em. As long as they end up with something resembling a free
state.
Unlike you, I've been on the front lines in the war against Islamic
extremism.
Surrrrrre you have, Douglass.
Spent more time in uniform than you did.
Oh, want to play the old 'Battling DD 214 game'? I had a TS-SCI
clearance and you had what? Clearance for the latrine and arms room?
Now show me a direct quote from President Carter calling for or
praising the Islamic Revolution.
Do you think Carter was unaware of the nature of the people who he
wanted to control Iran after the Shah?
Carter was backing Prime Minister Shapour Bakhtiar. Bakhtiar was not
an Islamic extremist, supported close ties to the west, and once the
Shah was gone disbanded SAVAK, freed political pisoners, and called
for a new Iran based on the rule of law. He lasted about a month
before the Army melted aways and the Revolution took over.
See, there you go again! Bakhtiar was not a successor of the Shah but
was
appointed by the Shah.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shapour_Bakhtiar
http://www.iranianvoice.org/article774.html
No, sit down, read my cite and be quiet like a good boy, Douglass.
Are you capable of not being a condesending goober?
People generally get what they deserve from me, Douglass.
One "s" in my name. Thank you. I'm trying to have a reasoned debate
over facts. You seem to do everything you can to avoid facts in favor
of name calling. Why is that?
All you've given us are assertions, Doglass, not facts. Assertions are
not
facts. I've provided cites. You have not.
Other than one unattributed source outsidethe US government, the
article contains no evidence that Carter wanted Khomeini in charge.
Only that Carter urged the Shah to institute human rights. I did find
it amusing that the changes that the author found so horrifying
(freedom of assembly, open trials by jury) are also found in our own
Constitution.
All in all, you article doesn't contradict a single fact I posted,
which means that your timeline is still wrong.
Of course it does.
OK, point them out.
I have. You've yet to post any facts, so far as I can tell.
Now, sit down and eat your cookie, Douglass.
All out of cookies, and the ones I have baking are for Baycon.
Doglass, sit down, be quiet and take your thumb out of your mouth.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: !Hitchens: Peanut Envy The latest absurdities to emerge from Jimmy Carter's big, smug mouth. |
23 May 2007 06:27:53 PM |
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On 23 May 2007 14:30:47 -0700 there was an Ancient Kurt Nicklas
<nicklask@bellsouth.net> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
On May 23, 1:23 pm, Douglas Berry <penguin_...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com>
wrote:
On 23 May 2007 09:08:51 -0700 there was an Ancient Kurt Nicklas
<nickl...@bellsouth.net> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
Spent more time in uniform than you did.
Oh, want to play the old 'Battling DD 214 game'? I had a TS-SCI
clearance and you had what? Clearance for the latrine and arms room?
You just proved you are a lying *****. First rule of security:
never brag about your clearance level.
My last assignment was as an Ops NCO at CENTCOM
Carter was backing Prime Minister Shapour Bakhtiar. Bakhtiar was not
an Islamic extremist, supported close ties to the west, and once the
Shah was gone disbanded SAVAK, freed political pisoners, and called
for a new Iran based on the rule of law. He lasted about a month
before the Army melted aways and the Revolution took over.
See, there you go again! Bakhtiar was not a successor of the Shah but
was
appointed by the Shah.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shapour_Bakhtiar
Yup, and after the Shah stepped down, he stepped in. He tried to
instal a moderate government, but lost the support of the Army, and
that was all she wrote.
http://www.iranianvoice.org/article774.html
One "s" in my name. Thank you. I'm trying to have a reasoned debate
over facts. You seem to do everything you can to avoid facts in favor
of name calling. Why is that?
All you've given us are assertions, Doglass, not facts. Assertions are
not
facts. I've provided cites. You have not.
And found things in them no one else can see, like evidence that
Carter urged the Shah to allow Khomeini into Iran.
All in all, you article doesn't contradict a single fact I posted,
which means that your timeline is still wrong.
Of course it does.
OK, point them out.
I have. You've yet to post any facts, so far as I can tell.
Bollocks.
Now, sit down and eat your cookie, Douglass.
All out of cookies, and the ones I have baking are for Baycon.
Doglass, sit down, be quiet and take your thumb out of your mouth.
You're cute when your pathetic insults don't work. "Doglass" good
one, last heard that in what, 4th grade? Is that all you're good for
Kurt? C'mon, you haven't even gotten to Dingleberry yet - that's a
classic!
Now, either debate like a man or give up.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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| User: "Kurt Nicklas" |
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| Title: Re: !Hitchens: Peanut Envy The latest absurdities to emerge from Jimmy Carter's big, smug mouth. |
24 May 2007 04:39:14 AM |
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On May 23, 7:27 pm, Douglas Berry <penguin_...@mindspring.com> wrote:
On 23 May 2007 14:30:47 -0700 there was an Ancient Kurt Nicklas
<nickl...@bellsouth.net> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
On May 23, 1:23 pm, Douglas Berry <penguin_...@mindspring.com>
wrote:
On 23 May 2007 09:08:51 -0700 there was an Ancient Kurt Nicklas
<nickl...@bellsouth.net> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
Spent more time in uniform than you did.
Oh, want to play the old 'Battling DD 214 game'? I had a TS-SCI
clearance and you had what? Clearance for the latrine and arms room?
You just proved you are a lying *****. First rule of security:
never brag about your clearance level.
MOS was 98G2LRUC8
My last assignment was as an Ops NCO at CENTCOM
So you made coffee for the S3. Wow.
Carter was backing Prime Minister Shapour Bakhtiar. Bakhtiar was not
an Islamic extremist, supported close ties to the west, and once the
Shah was gone disbanded SAVAK, freed political pisoners, and called
for a new Iran based on the rule of law. He lasted about a month
before the Army melted aways and the Revolution took over.
See, there you go again! Bakhtiar was not a successor of the Shah but
was
appointed by the Shah.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shapour_Bakhtiar
Yup, and after the Shah stepped down, he stepped in. He tried to
instal a moderate government, but lost the support of the Army, and
that was all she wrote.
Read the cite, Dogass. The Shah appointed him. He did not "step in"
after the
Shah stepped down.
I have cites. You have assertions. You do understand the difference,
right?
http://www.iranianvoice.org/article774.html
One "s" in my name. Thank you. I'm trying to have a reasoned debate
over facts. You seem to do everything you can to avoid facts in favor
of name calling. Why is that?
All you've given us are assertions, Doglass, not facts. Assertions are
not
facts. I've provided cites. You have not.
And found things in them no one else can see, like evidence that
Carter urged the Shah to allow Khomeini into Iran.
Carter wasn't ignorant of who would follow the Shah, Dogass.
I have cites. You have assertions.
All in all, you article doesn't contradict a single fact I posted,
which means that your timeline is still wrong.
Of course it does.
OK, point them out.
I have. You've yet to post any facts, so far as I can tell.
Bollocks.
So you don't understand the difference between assertions and facts
backed up with citations?
Now, sit down and eat your cookie, Douglass.
All out of cookies, and the ones I have baking are for Baycon.
Doglass, sit down, be quiet and take your thumb out of your mouth.
You're cute when your pathetic insults don't work. "Doglass" good
one, last heard that in what, 4th grade? Is that all you're good for
Kurt? C'mon, you haven't even gotten to Dingleberry yet - that's a
classic!
Now, either debate like a man or give up.
Dogass, debate is more than an exchange of assertions. If you had
more than that GED you'd understand that.
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| User: "Dan Clore" |
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| Title: Re: !Hitchens: Peanut Envy The latest absurdities to emerge fromJimmy Carter's big, smug mouth. |
24 May 2007 04:14:12 PM |
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Kurt Nicklas wrote:
I have cites. You have assertions.
Cites which refute your assertions.
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Dan Clore
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| User: "Kurt Nicklas" |
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| Title: Re: !Hitchens: Peanut Envy The latest absurdities to emerge from Jimmy Carter's big, smug mouth. |
24 May 2007 05:31:29 PM |
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On May 24, 5:14 pm, Dan Clore <c...@columbia-center.org> wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
I have cites. You have assertions.
Cites which refute your assertions.
Nonsense.
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| User: "Gandalf Grey" |
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| Title: Re: !Hitchens: Peanut Envy The latest absurdities to emerge from Jimmy Carter's big, smug mouth. |
24 May 2007 06:35:43 PM |
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"Kurt Nicklas" <nicklask@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:1180045889.720706.304300@u30g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
On May 24, 5:14 pm, Dan Clore <c...@columbia-center.org> wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
I have cites. You have assertions.
Cites which refute your assertions.
Nonsense.
Your haste to snip the cites that explode your whackjob theories is noted,
KKKurt.
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